Monday, October 13, 2025

In the spiritual world of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, for loving reciprocation and cooperation to exist in a "two-way" exchange with Krsna, free-will must exist and is always part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's constitutional make-up.

Krsna is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes which means ALL that happens is also His divine plan, just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separate from each other Krsna is never separate from His creation. 

Each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind individual PERSON with their own unique personality as a spiritual bodily form different from Krsna's Personality and appearance, and unique among all other individual jiva-souls too.

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal cooperative feelings manifesting as personal voluntary loving acts of devotion between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.

Such genuine devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) who only choose to serve Krsna, are always able to contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) to Krsna which is the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will and NOT being a mindless puppet under the dictatorial control of a manipulating puppet master. 

Real "surrender" is not artificial or mindless like that, it does not mean the devotee denies or gives up their own individual free will, and their choice of unique personal contributions they prefer to offer to Krsna. 

In this way the relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world is always a "two-way" relationship of exchanges and loving emotions and reciprocation. 

On the other hand, when actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering forceful dictatorial mood coming from Krsna, or any so called God or His representative, denies personal voluntary contributions (service), that is only possible in a "two-sided" exchange of feelings and cooperation with Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, only leaves those devotees no better off than dead mindless stone explained by Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means a relationship between two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Even though Krsna always allows the "free-will" that the individual jiva-souls (devotees) have, it really exists to create a "two-way" open relationship with His devotees allowing them to make their own choices, that also includes even rejecting Krsna Him if they want.

As the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, allowing free-will is also for His amusement, just to see what His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) do with their freedom in the spiritual world. 

Krsna at all times has genuin eternal loving affection for His individual jiva-souls (devotees) far more than they can ever have for Him. 

Krsna really allows free-will for the purpose of creating voluntary loving exchanges from His devotees (the individual jiva-souls), and see what they choose to do with their free-will, this creates a "two-sided" exchange of feelings and emotions with Krsna, both good and bad but mostly good. 

Only less than 10% of His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) choose to leave Krsna's association in the spiritual world and enter the temporary material world.

The individual jiva-souls are given this "free-will" by Krsna so they can voluntary make their own choices and decisions on how they want to serve Krsna, or not serve Him at all.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, that independence has to be accepted, little independence, we can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be two, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

One's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is always voluntary, it is never a "one-sided" master/slave mindless none contributing dictatorship Prabhupada is telling us here.

The individual jiva-souls in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expressions of their individuality, that is ever increasing with an unlimited variety of personal devotional offerings inspired by free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, that independence has to be accepted, little independence, we can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

All individual jiva-souls eternally are a spiritual bodily form. Only while the individual jiva-souls are fallen, do they artificially appear as a formless impersonal spark, or bodiless individual spark in Krsna's effulgence (the impersonal brahmajyoti)

Krsna is behind everything, both the eternal individual jiva-souls in there unnatural bodiless impersonal conditioned state, and the jiva-souls as their nature personal position as an eternal active contributing servant as a bodily form.

Srila Prabhupāda - "The impersonal conception of the Supreme is so detrimental to the path of devotional service that it is very difficult to associate with the stubborn non-devotees, who always think in terms of material conceptions. Impersonalists always think backwards, they think that because there is form in matter, spirit should be formless; because in matter there is sleep, in spirit there cannot be sleep; and because the sleeping of the Deity is accepted in arcanā worship, the arcanā is māyā. All these thoughts are basically material. To think either positively or negatively is still thinking materially. Knowledge accepted from the superior source of the Vedas is standard." (SB, Canto 3 Ch 9 Text 21, Purport)

The individual ability of self-expression (free-will) always exists in the spiritual world for the eternal individual jiva-souls, and allowed by Kṛṣṇa, for the purpose of permitting and encourage voluntarily contributions, where the individual jiva-souls (devotees) express themselves in a particular service they choose to do for Krsna. 

Each individual jiva-soul eternally has their own independent unique personality, that allows them to forever voluntary expand their variety of devotional contributions to Krsna. Therefore, the individual jiva-souls always choose how they want to serve Krsna, or even reject Krsna if they want. 

Without such freedom, then genuine voluntary loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna can never exist.

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-souls their freedom of expression (free-will), which is personal voluntary contributions with no strings attached, then their existence as a unique meaningful independent PERSON has no meaning at all, making them no better than dead useless stone or lifeless matter or mindless puppets always controlled by the strings of the impersonal puppeteer.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes).

The paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their independence and free will too even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

In other words, each eternal individual jiva-soul has their own unique personality, character and spiritual bodily form always separate and independent from Krsna's Personality and Form. 

Therefore, even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and all living entities are fully dependent on Krsna, the paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their unique freedom too.

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" voluntary affair of loving exchanges.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange with both the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa both contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows of devotional service. 

Loving exchanges are only eternally possible on a two-way street. The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one. 

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in an open "two-sided" loving affair without being manipulated, used or bullied in anyway.

Also being able to reject Krsna proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

One's relationship with God (Krsna or Visnu) in His Personal Kingdom's known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, is always voluntary and NEVER forced.

This means associating with Krsna and serving Him is NEVER a "one-sided master/slave" mindless none contributing dictatorship Prabhupada is telling us.

The individual jiva-souls in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding their unique expressions based on their unique individuality, that is forever expanding with an unlimited variety of personal devotional offerings expressed freely as the devotee chooses (free will).

"Free will" is only fully experienced in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and NEVER in the temporary material world where the individual jiva-souls are subject to repeated birth and death (karma, good and bad) under the hash laws of material nature.

Those who only want to be Krsna's mindless non-contributing puppets, who are only told what to do and how to think, are practising impersonalism according to Srila Prabhupada's teachings.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotee want to serve Krsna as a flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as blade of grass, a bench, a flag pole, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will in the spiritual world, then you are a stone, the stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also an individual person as you are individual person, I am individual person, but the difference between God and you and me is this, that you know your business, I know my business, but God knows everyone's business. That is the difference." (Lecture Melb, Australia April 3, 1972) 

Having free will (freedom of expression) is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for the individual jiva-soul's voluntary relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means a relationship between two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Even though Krsna allows the "freedom of expression" that the individual jiva-souls have, it is really for His amusement, to see what they do with their own freedom of expression. 

Krsna at all times has genuin eternal loving affection for His individual jiva-souls (devotees) far more than they can ever have for Him. 

Krsna allows free-will for the purpose of creating voluntary loving exchanges from His devotees, and see what the individual jiva-souls choose to do with such free-will, this creates a two-sided exchange of feelings and emotions with Krsna. 

The individual jiva-souls are given free-will by Krsna so they can voluntary make their own choices and decisions on how they want to serve Krsna, or not serve Him at all. 

In the spiritual world, for loving reciprocation and cooperation to exist in a two-way exchange, free-will must exist and is always part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's constitutional make-up. 

Krsna is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes which means ALL that happens is also His divine plan, just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separate from each other Krsna is never separate from His creation. 

This means Krsna is never exist separated from all His variety living entities explained below- 

1 - Visnu-tattvas, unlimited  Visnu/Narayana expansions of Kṛṣṇa each with different names like Balarama, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Paramatma etc.

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva is Srimati to Radharani and Her expansions who represents Kṛṣṇa's internal energy.  

3 - Siva-tattva, Lord Siva and his expansions who is in a league of his own and chooses to live in the temporary material world where very fallen jiva-souls (ghostly personalies) are attracted to him, and he towards them.

4 - Jiva-tattva (the individual jiva-souls who are Krsna’s separated living entities, this allows them to eternally have free will and act independently even though that action is also dependent on Krsna's will because not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord.  

All the personal unique contributions offered to Krsna in the spiritual world, are coming from an unlimited variety of "voluntary services" (offerings) from His devotees (the eternal individual jiva-souls), who are forever expanding their intentional singular offerings to the Lord on the Vaikuntha planets serving Lakshmi/Visnu, and on Goloka-Vrindavana serving Radha/Krsna.

This allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to always make their own voluntary offerings to Krsna without the impersonal "puppet on a string" manipulations or forced control (the real meaning of free will)

In other words, voluntary contributions and service from the individual jiva-souls (devotees), forever increase and expand their natural individual emotions and cooperation with Kṛṣṇa in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation (the real meaning of surrender).

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at any time, so there is always the chance of falling down by misuse of one's independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, Los Angeles 25 April, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are firmly fixed up in devotional service to Krsna are making proper use of their independence (free-will) and so they do not fall down. Regarding your second question, have the conditioned souls ever seen Krsna? Were they with the Lord before being conditioned by the desire to lord it over material nature? Yes, the conditioned souls are parts and parcels of the Lord and thus they were with Krsna before being conditioned. Just as the child must have seen his father because the father places the child in the womb of the mother, similarly each soul has seen Krsna or the Supreme Father. But at that time the conditioned souls are resting in the condition called susupti which is exactly deep sleep without dream, or anesthetized state, therefore they do not remember being with Krsna when they wake up in the material world and become engaged in material affairs. I hope this will satisfy your questions." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, Los Angeles 25 April 1970)

The individual jiva-souls always have a unique "thinking mind of their own" as part of their eternal constitutional make-up that allows  them to offer personal contributions eternally.

This allows personal creative unique offerings to Krsna or Visnu in the spiritual world, where there is full varigateness and unlimited Past Times.

Such "free will" is allowed because God (Krsna) has given the individual jīva-souls the power to think, the power to reason, to analyse and question everything, making them the individual independent persons they are eternally.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, (and partly achieved in the material world, but only in the human species of life), the personal ability to make their own individual voluntary contributions to Krsna, or can choose to act independently and separately without Kṛṣṇa.

The individual jiva-souls in their full spiritual potential are NOT "non-thinking, mindless, non-contributing loveless porns or puppets," "yes" men and women who are always manipulated by the "puppet master" to only obey and never question their autocratic teachings given by the supreme so called leader leader. 

Such a nonsense leader or guru dictates how they should think and act, therefore denying their independent PERSONAL individual self expressions and choices of voluntary contributions. 

The above writings are based on the excellent teachings of His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, my eternal Spiritual Master and teacher.^×××^.











Saturday, October 4, 2025

The individual spiritual bodily form of the eternal jiva-souls, have no beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be because there is neither birth or death for the individual jiva-souls as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 12 explains.

The eternal original spiritual bodily form of the individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity), is a two-armed spiritual bodily form like Krsnas however, the individual jiva-souls can voluntarily change their form in unlimited ways over their eternal existence.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

From that infinite form of the individual jiva-soul, all other forms are voluntary and possible, such as the four armed form on the Vaikuntha planets similar to Lord Visnu's Body. 

So, being an inactive "spark in the Brahmajyoti" is already a fallen condition. The original feature and full potential of the individual jiva-soul is an individual as bodily form like Krsna

Man is made in the image of God.

All individual jiva-souls eternally are a spiritual bodily form. Only while the individual jiva-souls are fallen, do they artificially appear as a formless impersonal spark, or bodiless individual spark in Krsna's effulgence (the impersonal brahmajyoti)

Krsna is behind everything, both the eternal individual jiva-souls in there unnatural bodiless impersonal conditioned state, and the jiva-souls as their nature personal position as an eternal active contributing servant as a bodily form.

Ultimately, we are individual PERSONS as an eternal spiritual bodily form in our full potential, and can always choose to serve Krsna, or reject Him, otherwise free will has no meaning. 

Those comments from past Sages and Acharyas who claim the individual jiva-souls never fall down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, may have been said this for many reasons, to give faith among aspiring devotees and neophytes, or to encourage them to understand that their natural constitutional position is to never ''choose'' to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and never desire to be independent from Krsna or Visnu.

The eternal individual jiva-soul's original perpetual position is always voluntarily pleasing Krsna in a variety of ways with personal contributions.

Choosing to fall to the temporary material world, and then, due to the frustration of repeated birth and death, eventually falling further to the impersonal (inactive) brahmajyoti where the frustrated jiva-souls attempt to extinguish their individual identity, personality and existence (attempted spiritual suicide) and outwardly appear as a bodiless almost dead dormant spark in the impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti, denies the individual jiva-souls of who they really are as a PERSON in in their full potential as Krsna's dear friend in their natural eternal home of Goloka-Vrindavana, or voluntary servant of Viṣṇu in the Vaikuntha planet.

The individual jiva-soul's spiritual bodily appearance is eternally similar to Krsna's form, but we can voluntarily change that at ant time and be a flower, or a tree, or gopi, or cowherd boy, a chair Krsna sits on, or the grass Krsna walks on, or a cloud in the sky Krsna admires, the choices are unlimited.

The eternal individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world can shape-shift and be a flag pole on Krsna's chariot, or even Krsna's chariot, a blade of grass, a flower, a chair, a cloud in the sky etc, and at any moment change back to a two armed form in Goloka Vrindavana, or the four armed form on a Vaikuntha planets

No form or spiritual body the individual jiva-souls can appear as, is fixed in the spiritual world, the individual jiva-soul's rasa (pastime) can constantly change their appearance over eternity however their original bodily spiritual form is like Krsnas, two arms, two legs etc. 

Even all the four-armed individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets original came from Goloka-Vrindavan where all human forms there have two arms, two legs like Krsna has.

It is all voluntary, you can be what ever you want to be if it is you genuine desire to please or amuse Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world our relationship with Krsna or Visnu is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world the choice of the individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is voluntary from a blade of grass to a tree, a cow or gopi.

Their individual contributions are eternally expressed in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana in a "two-way" reciprocal exchange with Krsna in unlimited different ways and bodily forms over eternity.

Only the "eternal presence" of Krsna (meaning all living entities in the spiritual world put Krsna or Visnu in the centre of their eternal existence) exists in the for ever youthful spiritual worlds. 

Where as in the mundane material decaying creation, time is perpetually divided into "past, present and future" which causes a progressive state of decay, decline, impermanence birth and death.

In the spiritual world the eternal individual jiva-souls are never forced to bow to Krsna or do anything they choose not to do, everything there is voluntary, meaning even rejecting Krsna if they choose to do so.

Also, there is no best bodily form in the spiritual world because all are equally blissful and equal to each other.

From the two armed bodily form in Vrindavana to the four armed bodily form on the Vaikuntha planets, to being a cow, an ant, a bee, a cloud in the sky, a bench, a fence, etc etc. every aspect of the spiritual worlds are alive with unlimited individuals, nothing material (dead) can exist there.

All eternal individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world can be what ever form they desire to be or choose to be to please Krsna or Visnu that are all equally blissful regardless of form (human form or a grade of grass)

The human form is not higher, lower or better than any other spiritual bodily form one may choice to be on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana.

Just like in this material world some like carnation flowers while others prefer roses, it's an individual choice of what is best for you.

Even though everything is equally blissful in the spiritual world, there are five different relationships with Krsna, each one gradually progressing to becoming more intimate with Krsna than the previous one.

The eternal individual jiva-soul's original two armed spiritual body is always there as the basis as their eternal origin.

Technically there is no origin to the individual jiva-souls as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 12 teaches.

Athough, as said above, there can be a transformation from your original human spiritual body into a spiritual bodily form you voluntarily choose to be.

From human form to a blade of grass, a cow, a horse, a chair, a cloud in the sky, a Peacock, a bench, a flag, a four-armed form similar to the Visnu/Narayana forms on a Vaikuntha planet - there are unlimited different choices.

Like a shape-shifter the individual jiva-souls can also appear anyway they want in the spiritual world to please Krsna or Visnu, just like once you appeared as a baby but now as an adult, same person, different body. 

A similar type of shape-shifting happens from childhood, to youth, to middle age, to old age - same person, different bodily appearance.

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body, if the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

The full potential and original eternal feature of all marginal living entities (eternal individual jiva-souls) is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?" 

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible, but you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, one's spiritual form and position is always voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and one can change from flower to human body if they choose, that is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as bench, as flagpole, as chariot or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Fortunately, over 90% of the eternal individual jiva-souls choose to stay in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana and never fall down, even though they can choose to leave if they want at any moment. 

Although sadly almost 10% of the individual jiva-souls do choose to leave the spiritual world and enter or fall down to the material world via the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan) fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down." (BG, Lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

The eternal individual jiva-souls have free will so they can make their own choices and decisions, which includes even rejecting Krsna if they choose. 

For free will to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls must have their unique freedom of expression, self determination and a variety of unique voluntary service. These qualities must always be there if free will truly exists because in the spiritual world the eternal individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is always voluntary. 

The individual jiva-soul's contributions are eternally expressed in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana in a "two-way" reciprocal exchange of feelings with Krsna. 

As said above, the individual jiva-souls are never forced to surrender to Krsna or do anything they choose not to do, they are not Kṛṣṇa's puppets He manipulates when He pleases, they are His friends and associates who voluntarily contribute to the relationship if they choose to do that. 

For loving voluntary service and exchanges to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls must be able to act on their free will and make their own contributions, choices, decisions and offerings, even if it also means rejecting Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of voluntary loving exchanges.

Each individual jiva-soul can voluntarily express themselves as an independent individual to experience unique loving exchanges and personal service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality of free will is part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's constitution that allows them to be an independent free thinking expansion of the Krsna. 

Therefore, being marginal (separated from Krsna as a unique free thinking individual person allowed by Krsna) also means the individual jiva-souls always have free will included when describing the qualities of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls). 

As said above, Krsna allows this freedom the individual jiva-souls have because without free will, loving exchanges, personal offerings and a contributing two-way reciprocal relationship could never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return to the material atmosphere. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

The eternal individual jiva-souls have their own independent sense of self and the free will to make their own choices, which includes even rejecting Krsna anf z, therefore in the spiritual world the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is always voluntary.

The individual jiva-soul's unique personal contributions are eternally expressed in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana in "two-way" reciprocal exchange with Krsna and Visnu. Love can only exist in a two-way exchange of emotions and feelings and can never exist with just "one" which is called impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there MUST be two." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence. That is force."(Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship by contributing to the relationship's expansion¹ of nectarine mellows.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

In the spiritual world the individual jiva-souls are never forced to surrender to Krsna or do anything they choose not to do. 

For loving service and exchanges to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls must be able to act on their free will and make their own choices, decisions and voluntary offerings or contributions, even if it means rejecting Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of genuine voluntary loving exchanges or having free will.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul can voluntarily express themselves as an independent (separated) person so they can experience unique loving exchanges in their chosen service.

This quality of free will is part and parcel of the eternal individual jiva-soul's marginal constitution that allows them to be an independent (separated) free thinking expansion of Krsna, yet simultaneously always fully dependent on His energies.

However, we must always understand that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and He is behind everything and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction. 

Therefore, being marginal (separated) means the individual jiva-souls always have free will and individual sense of independent self.

As said above, Krsna allows this freedom of self-expression the individual jiva-souls have because without free will, loving exchanges, personal offerings and a "two-way" reciprocal relationship could never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return to the material atmosphere. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976) 

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all eternal individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternally part and parcel of their individual character and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the individual jiva-souls can choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they choose, at anytime, it is incorrect to claim the eternal individual jiva-souls can never again fall down once on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, that is their choose, not Kṛṣṇa's, otherwise free will has no meaning.

Free will always allows the eternal individual jiva-souls to have a choice and voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna, and without that ability to voluntarily choose, there is no question of free will or loving exchanges either. 

Those Gurus, Swamis, yogis, scholars, academics and devotees who wrongly believe that once they enter the spiritual world, they never again can fall down, are often very sentimental and immature. 

And yes, even Krsna's promise in Bhagavad Gita As It Is the individual jiva-souls who return to the spiritual world never fall down again can be rejected by those jiva-souls who again choose to enter the material world, regardless of Krsna’s promise, the choice to stay or go is always the individual jiva-souls.

So, the choice to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship where one can also accept or reject Krsna if they choose, otherwise how can genuine love exist if there is no freedom?

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He missuses, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussion on the philosophy of Rene Descartes)

There is only one classification of the eternal individual jiva-souls that originates in the spiritual world, there is not two as some believe.

The individual jiva-souls do not originate from the material world or the impersonal brahmajyoti, all individual jiva souls come from their eternal home in Goloka-Vrindavana where each individual jiva-soul has "two-sides" to their personality. 

This means they can either be "nitya-baddha" - falling to being conditioned in the temporary material world, or "nitya-siddha" - remaining liberated in the spiritual world.

The term "eternally liberated or nitya-siddha" means only eternal while being nitya-siddha. However, the "nitya-siddhas" can fall from the position of eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) to enter eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)

It means the position is eternal liberated (nitya-siddha) and eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha) are an eternal "post" and not the jiva-souls holding those positions. In this way the individual jiva-souls can choose for themselves to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna. This is because each jiva-soul, as part of their spiritual constitutional make-up, has free will.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Some wrongly claim there are two types of individual jiva-souls- 

1 - One individual jiva-soul stays in the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vṛndāvana and never has a choice to leave and go to the material world, they are called "nitya-siddha" or eternally liberated.

2 - And the other individual jiva-soul (nitya-baddha) they claim starts off in the impersonal brahmajyoti and material world and has never been to the spiritual world, they are called nitya-baddha or eternally conditioned and can also be dormant (inactive) in the impersonal brahmajyoti. They can also eventually enter the spiritual world too, but once there, can never fall down to the material world - so they claim which is all silly nonsense. 

The fact is, there is only ONE category of the individual jiva-souls who have "two-sides" to their individual, character, identity and personality, they can be either nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned).

And they both originate from Goloka Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets in the spiritual world. The natural position and home of all eternal jiva-souls is the spiritual world, and not the temporary material world, or the suicidal impersonal brahmajyoti. 

Note: - eternally conditioned or eternally liberated only applies while one is in that position in the spiritual world (eternally liberated) or in the material world (eternally conditioned) 

The individual jiva-soul's infinite position is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) in the spiritual world. This means the jiva-soul's original perpetual home is the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

As said above, there is only one category of the eternal individual jiva-soul who can be either nitya-baddha (conditioned) or nitya-siddha (eternally) 

To make it clear, only one kind of individual jiva-soul exists, and due to free will, they can choose to be either nitya-siddha (Krsna conscious) or nitya-baddha (conditioned).

The actual constitutional position of EVERY eternal individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are "two-kinds" of marginal living entities, one being nitya-siddha and the other is nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha." (CC lecture, July 13, 1976) 

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (conditioned souls) AGAIN nitya-siddha (Krsna conscious)." (New York City Lecture CC, July 13, 1976).×^=^×.

























Friday, October 3, 2025

The "Block universe" is all that exists in the material creation, its past, present and future" all existing together simultaneously. The Block material universe is a universal "Library" made up of an unlimited and endless variety of material bodily vessels (posts) that the individual jiva-souls can "hire" from the material creator of the material world, Maha-Visnu, and occupy a material bodily vessel in the material world, like one wears a garment of clothing that matches their mood and desires.

In the "Block universe" (also known as material energy), everything there, including all material bodily containers or vessels, are extensions of the material creation (matter), including past, present and future. Only the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) are NOT part of the material creation which is not their original home.

In the Block universe (material world) every possible material bodily combination of matter exists experienced through the pathway of past, present and future for the visiting individual jiva-souls (living anti-matter) to travel through.

After entering the material creation (matter) due to falling down from the spiritual world (anti-matter), the individual jiva-soul "hires" (possess) a material bodily container from Maha-Visnu's Block universe. 

As said above, within the Block universe (material creation) every possible material scenario exists where the jiva-souls (individual units of anti-matter) flows through the Block universe's material bodily vessels ridding on the movement of past, present and future in-sync with the individual jiva-soul's desires that simultaneously exists in the Block universe with in the dreams of Maha-Visnu. 

The fallen individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) who are originally from the spiritual world (also anti-matter), have to possess a material bodily container or outward vessel that allows them to experience the temporary material world. 

Only a very few rare individual jiva-souls can see past, present and future all at once, like one can see an entire roadway (its beginning, it's middle and it's end), the flow though the Block universe via material time's past, present and future.

In the temporary material world the individual jiva-souls have to purchase a material bodily vessel off Maha-Visnu so they can enter the material world.  

"Free will" in the material world mostly does not exist. 

While moving through the block universe the desires and Karma (one's actions and their reactions while in human form) takes them to where they get their rewards or punishment, already eternally existing in the "block universe." 

Only in the human species does the individual jiva-souls have a little freedom, while all the other species of life in the material world (8 million) progress by instincts only-

Eating

Sleeping 

Mating

Defending. 

The movement of past, present and future is the passage-way the individual jiva-souls travel-by on their journey through the material world. This is how they travel and move through the "block material universe."

The "block universe" is the material world made up of Maha-Visnu's dreams that can be "hired" off Him by the individual jiva-souls so they are able to enter the material world in a material bodily vessel or container. 

In the material universe all time - past, present and future, exist simultaneously.

The material universe contains everything that has ever happened and will happen at any time and at any place.

The Vedas texts have the most advanced explanation of material time that recognises the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) as not material and therefore not from the material energy or creation (matter).

Many do not understand that "life" (anti-matter) is not originally part of the material universe (the block universe).

Everything existing in the material creation (the block universe) is contained within the dreams of Maha-Visnu, He provides all material bodily vessels or containers for visting individual jiva-souls, who have come to the block (material world) from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (the spiritual world)

Maha-Visnu provides the individual jiva-souls a material bodily container aquired from His dreams so they can experience the material universes.

Everything that there is in the material universe is within Maha-Visnu's dreams, as said above, all material bodily vessels are provided by Maha-Visnu so one can experience the material creation. He is actually dreaming all these material universes.

Only the 1/4 of all existence is the material creation (matter), the rest (3/4) is the spiritual world (anti-matter) 

According to the block universe, all things that have ever happen, and all things that will happen are equally real but experienced as temporary because the individual jiva-souls travels through the block universe riding on the fabric of past, present and future.

All that there is in the material world, and all that will ever be, including our birth [the entry into the material world (matter) from the spiritual world (anti-matter)], all exist a permanent fixtures of the block universe.

In the block universe, the individual jiva-soul only passes through it like one travels on an already built highway, from its beginning, to its middle, to its end.

Where we are "today" is present, and "yesterday" is past, and "tomorrow" is future.

The present moment changes too, after all, tomorrow it will seem as though tomorrow is present, and yesterday it appeared yesterday was present!

So, from our perspective, it appears that time flows or passes. But in the actual block universe, time doesn't flow, only the individual jiva-souls experience the flow of time as THEY pass through the block universe. 

In other words, in a block universe, there is no specific present moment, and "past" and "future" moments are relative to the visiting individual jiva-souls only.

What is time?

The block universe explains that the "present" or "now" works just like we are communicating "here" because all it means to communicate in the moment is all about the present, or now, is to communicate in a place in time where you happen to be.

Since we are always located wherever we are (that's trivially true), everyone is located in the present, just as everyone is located at the place they call "here."

According to the block universe view, time or temporal relations of "earlier than" and "later than" exist. These relations hold regardless of where anyone is located.

Bearing this in mind, it is possible to see how to make sense of the idea of past and future. Just as on this model "now" picks out whatever time I happen to be located at, "past" picks out any time (or events at those times) that are earlier than my location, and "future" picks out any times or events that are later than my location.

Time is the 4th dimension. 

In the material bodily vessel assigned to the individual jiva-soul, one can only travel into future but never into the past but possible in other ways.

We already know that travelling very fast will result in time dilation, so we know it's possible to travel into the future just by travelling very fast near the speed of light. We can travel into the future if we travel near the speed of light. 

We also know how to travel into the past. We can do that by using wormholes, which are short cuts through space-time.

So, if I can travel in time, can I change the past?

No. That would create a contradiction, and there are no contradictions time is set in stone but all past, present and future exist simultaneously.

Remember, on the block universe model, the past is no different than the future or the present.

Everything is relative: what is past to you, will be future to someone else.

So, if I travel back to the past I'm travelling to what is someone else's future. That means the past won't be any different, in kind, to the present.

What will happen if I travel to the past? I'll get out of my time machine and start walking around. I'll breathe the air and chat to people.

Obviously, this will have effects on the time I travel to. I'll tread on ants; I'll talk to people from that time; I'll pat horses, and feed donkeys and so on.

I'll act, in the past, in the sorts of ways I act in the present. But I won't be changing the past. Just as when I eat cornflakes instead of toast tomorrow I am not changing the future, I'm just making the future the way it is, when I travel to the past I don't change it, I just make it the way it is, and always has been.

Albert Einstein's special theory of relativity states time passes at different rates for people moving relative to each other.

What I do tomorrow makes tomorrow the way it is, and the way it always has been. What I do in the past makes the past time the way it is, and always has been.

If I travel to the past, I am part of the past. Importantly, I was always part of the past.

The events in the block are there for all time: they do not change. So, as a time traveller, it's not as though I suddenly appear at a past time. It's always been the case that I am located at that past time.

Nothing a time traveller does changes anything in the block universe which are the dreams of Maha-Visnu that encompass all that there is, all that was, and all that there is in the future. 

Everything in the material universes are contained within the dreams of Maha Visnu, He provides all material bodily vessels or containers for individual jiva-souls visiting the material creation (The block universe), giving them all a material bodily container from His dreams to experience the material universes.

As explained above, everything that there is in the material universes, is within Maha-Visnu's dreams, all bodily vessels are provided from Maha-Visnu so one can experience the material creation as they originally chose after leaving the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha. He is actually dreaming all these material universes

Only a 1/4 of all existence is the material creation (matter), the rest (3/4) is the perpetual ever youthful and fresh spiritual world's of the  Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (anti-matter)

The movement of past, present and future is the passage-way the individual jiva-souls travel-by on their journey through the material world. This is how they travel and move through the "block material universe."

The block universe is EVERYTHING, it is the entire material world of past, present and future that are Maha-Visnu's dream. In the material universe all time - past, present and future, exist all at once simultaneously.

The material universe contains everything that has ever happened and will happen at any time and at any place.

The Vedas texts have the most advanced explanation of material time that recognises the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) as not material and therefore not from the material energy or creation (the Block universe).

Many do not understand that "life" (anti-matter) is not originally part of the material universe (the bEverything existing in the material creation (the block universe) i within the dreams of Maha-Visnu, He provides all material bodily vessels or containers for visting individual jiva-souls, who have come to the block (material world) from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (the spiritual world)

Maha-Visnu provides the individual jiva-souls a material bodily container aquired from His dreams so they can experience the material universes.

Everything that there is in the material universes is within Maha-Visnu's dreams, as said above, all material bodily vessels are provided by Maha-Visnu so one can experience the material creation. Maha-Visnu is actually dreaming the entire material creation. ×××.






Thursday, September 4, 2025

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as a flower; then they become flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, voluntarily, their own choice and can change from flower to human form or any form they choose, anything is possible because everything is alive in the spiritual world, that is spiritual life. There is no restriction to what one can be, if a devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, they serve Krsna as cow, as calf, as flagpole, as bench, as cloud, as chair, as grass, as tree, as water, as ground, as field, as cart or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything is possible in the spiritual world, it is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other," just like one may like a carnation flower, while others may choose to like a rose flower.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can NEVER lose their free-will in the spiritual world, because such freedom allows them to voluntarily choose for themselves how they want to serve (contribute) to Viṣṇu/Narayana on the Vaikuntha planets, or Krsna in His personal Abode of Goloka Vrindavana.

The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world can always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, with personal offerings they choose to contribute (offer) to Krsna or Visnu in the endless spiritual world.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence (free-will), you have acquired that quality off your father, so God does not interfere with your independence (free-will). If you persist that "I must enjoy independently from God and enter the temporary material world," God says, "All right, you can go there and and try to enjoy." This is the position, if you persist, God always sanctions otherwise free will has no meaning therefore, you can go to the material world and enjoy at any time." (Lecture Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone knows that independence (free-will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then if I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he chooses to misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it, that is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be eventually punished, he knows this; he has seen other thieves get punished and put in prison, all this he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)

The individual jiva-souls are independent persons in the spiritual world always as an eternal spiritual bodily form, known as Krsna's marginal living entities or potency, who each have their own unique personality and sense of independent identity separate from Krsna's Personality and autocratic control yet, paradoxically, are simultaneously fully dependent on Krsna as His creation as parts and parcels. 

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction.

The reason why Krsna gives the individual jiva-souls their independence and free will, is so Kṛṣṇa can have a "two-way" relationship with His devotees, where they can voluntarily serve Him without being manipulated like a puppet is always controlled by the hands of the puppeteer, no, Krsna does not want a cold relationship where the devotee is forced to love and serve Him in the spiritual world. 

Krsna wants His devotees to choose for themselves how they want to voluntary serve Him in their own unique personal way. This means the individual jiva-souls are always able to contribute their own unique offerings without any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or service can only exist when free will exists, this allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in loving devotional exchanges with Krsna by contributing in various unique ways to one's relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love, love means somebody else, love means there must be two, love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one to share your love with. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your free will, which is the independent actions to perform voluntary contributions serving Krsna, and instead allow Krsna to impersonally control all your thoughts and deeds.

No! That is not what "surrender" means!  

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed "mindless" puppets, who only obey the puppeteer and denied all individual voluntary contributions they offer in their relationship with Krsna, provided in their own unique way thinking for themselves without mindless impersonal manipulation.

The individual jiva-souls can never lose their free will in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana, which is the individual ability of self expression that allows them to offer their own personal contributions to Krsna unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the individual jiva-soul is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the individual jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have their free will (freedom of self-expression) to voluntary make their own choices in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna would never exist.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu/Narayanathen that is not love, it is tyranny, bullying which is impersonalism.

The impersonal version of Krsna's abode of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets is where the individual jiva-souls are forced to surrender their free will (voluntary service of contributions) to a bogus god that allows this so called god to take over one's existence and do all your thinking and actions for you. 

There are many nonsense sangas (religious cults) in this world who propagate this dangerous hellish dictatorial impersonalism.

Having free will on the other hand, allows the individual jiva-souls to be themselves, which is an independent unique contributing devotee who always voluntarily chooses how they want to please and serve Krsna with their own personal offerings in a "two-sided" reciprocal relationship of loving exchanges.

Voluntary service is the bases and meaning of real surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets which are the permanent eternal homes and origin of all the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls).

The individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets of Visnu and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is never a nonsense one-sided master/slave mindless relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.

Krsna does not control the surrendered individual jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls the every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings that only deny self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna does control His pure devotees in a two-way exchange by allowing them to have voluntary loving reciprocal exchanges with Him, and the individual jiva-souls also choose this relationship with Krsna due to their unconditional love for Krsna.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want His devotees become a lover by force, from the point of revolver, ‘you love me otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

If the individual jiva-souls have no free will in the spiritual world, then they are no better than dead useless stone Prabhupada tells us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual individual jiva-souls, we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity. This transcendental vibration of chanting-

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare

This is the sublime method for reviving our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of live, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in her complexities. This illusion is called māyā, or hard struggle for existence over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also, we can perceive that by chanting this mahā-mantra, or the great chanting for deliverance, one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual stratum. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding, surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence, one is situated on the transcendental plane.

This chanting of-

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare

is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, surpassing all lower states of consciousness namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra, nor is there any need of mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this mahā-mantra.

It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in this transcendental sound vibration, without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy. We have seen it practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. The chanting should be heard, however, from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of a nondevotee should be avoided, as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect. The word Harā is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord. 

Both Kṛṣṇa and Rāma are forms of addressing directly the Lord, and they mean "the highest pleasure, eternal." Harā is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, when addressed as Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord. The material energy, called mayā, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we are also the marginal potency of the Lord. The "marginal living entities" (individual jiva-souls) are described as a superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity.

The three words, namely Harā, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma, are transcendental seeds of the mahā-mantra, and the chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Harā, for giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like a genuine cry by the child for the mother. Mother Harā helps in achieving the grace of the supreme father, Hari, or Kṛṣṇa, and the Lord reveals Himself to such a sincere devotee. No other means, therefore, of spiritual realization is as effective in this age, as chanting the mahā-mantra." ("The Happening Record Album" recorded Dec 1966 New York City, USA)

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down to the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down, here it is explained, "don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom (free will). Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his free will and desire.

Devotee – "In the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world, if Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are son of God you have acquired the quality of your father so God does not interfere with your independence (free will)." (Lecture Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly means we have free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy).

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can never lose their free will in the spiritual world because Krsna wants a "two-way" relationship of voluntary loving exchanges with His devotees, for that to happen, the individual jiva-souls are given free will by Krsna so they can choose for themselves how they want to serve Krsna from a variety of ways, or even reject Krsna if they choose.  

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living entities as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 12 to text 30 explains, they are eternal persons as a spiritual bodily form, there are no new individual jiva-souls ever being created because they have always existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

The individual jiva-souls are a collective of individual anti-matter living entities known as Krsna's marginal energy, who are all eternal persons as a unique spiritual bodily form, who are beginningless and endless and therefore indestructible as described above in Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 to text 30.

Free will has nothing to do with the material body (matter), free will is a symptom of the eternal individual jiva-soul (anti-matter).

Free will is the constitutional makeup of every individual jiva-soul, who each are an eternal spiritual form on the Vaikuntha planets, and Goloka Vrindavana, where nothing material can exist, including temporary mundane  decaying material bodily vessels.^//.