The marginal living entities are indestructible and eternal like Krsna, the individual jiva-souls were never created, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Only the temporary material bodily container or vessel the eternal individual jiva-soul is in, is subject to constant maintenance, decay and ultimate annihilation. The individual jiva-soul (the life force) then moves on to occupy a new material bodily vessel.

The human form of life is very, very rare to obtain, it is not guaranteed to be again attained in your next birth in the material world because it in only one life form out of 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

Only 400 thousand species are different varieties of human species while 8 million species are lower forms of life like the animal kingdom, aquatic, bird, insect and plant species. The majority of jiva-souls in human bodies today in Kali-yuga, take their next birth in the lower species like dogs, cats hogs, camels and horses because they deny the existence of God.

Also, because the individual jiva-souls have no origin and were never created, it is important to understand the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) do not originate from any already fallen condition like tatastha-sakti, the inactive (dormant) impersonal brahmajyoti, or the Body of Maha-Visnu.

Being “generated” from the marginal plane does not mean the individual jiva-souls “originated” from a point of origin in the Spiritual Sky, where all jiva-souls supposedly are created, no, such nonsense is rejected here because the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless which means they were never created, not even by Krsna and are therefore just as ageless as Krsna.

The individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed, and both were never created.

This means both have no origin or beginning point to their existence because they have existed for infinity as Bhagavad Gita As It Is confirms.

Tatastha-sakti is actually an already fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-soul they fall too after leaving the spiritual world (Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets).

It is the non-Krsna conscious condition of the fallen individual jiva-souls when they are outside the spiritual world in both the material existence, and when inactive (dormant) and artificially appear in the impersonal brahmajyoti as bodiless individual spiritual sparks. 

The word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) only in their "fallen conditional state" outside the spiritual world in both the material creation, and when dormant (inactive) in the (impersonal) brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha or the fallen materially conditioned characteristics of the jiva-souls, and the spiritual world is the permanent non-fallen characteristic of the jiva-souls. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha-sakti (fallen materially conditioned state) and enter the permanent spiritual original non-fallen characteristics of the individual jiva-souls. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture, CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha śakti."(Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The full potential and eternal original feature (spiritual bodily form) of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body. The individual jiva-souls were never created and are therefore beginningless and endless like Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form, "man is made after the shape of God," so Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the individual jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual spirit soul is not formless; it has got eternal bodily form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body of the individual jiva-soul? if the jiva-soul is non-material, what is the form of all jiva-souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form."(Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original spiritual feature (form) of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, two arms, two legs. The individual jiva-souls do not therefore originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as an impersonal spark as some incorrectly and foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, man is made after the shape of God, I think that is in the Bible also, is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa– "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-souls are non-material, what is the form and composition of the jiva-souls?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is eternal spiritual form that is not material, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter (material energy) is impersonal, but because the superior prakṛti, jīva-soul, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. 

Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. This body is just like dress. Just like your coat has got hand, your pant has got leg, but either the pant or coat has no leg, no hand. So, because you have got leg and hand, the coat has got leg and hand. 

Everyone can understand this. It is very easy. So, the original (and eternally), the individual jiva-souls have form. Therefore the cloth has been cut into form. It is very easy to understand. Otherwise how you get the form? And in this form the spirit soul is trying to enjoy this material world. But it is not puruṣa. It cannot enjoy. That is false. That is illusion." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - Matter (material energy) has no form,  but the individual jiva-souls always have spiritual bodily form but covered while in a temporary material body in the material world. Matter is covering, the actual form of the individual jiva-soul is always there, just covered while in the material world. Matter appears to have form (a material bodily vessel) but only because of the presence of the individual jiva-soul. 

Bodily form is only there in the material world due to the presents of the eternal jiva-soul,  just like the original cloth has no form, but when the tailor cuts the cloth according to the body of the person, then the shirt and coat takes a form. Matter (material energy) itself has no form because it is non-living. When you take clay, it has no form, but if you make it like a doll, like a man or woman, then it has a form. When you change the clay, and you manufacture a fort, then the fort has form. 

So, form and formlessness is of the matter, but in the spiritual world everything has got form. The jiva-soul has got form. God has got form. This is the truth. In the material world any form-man or beast or anyone—in the outward, external covering is matter (temporary material energy), but within the matter there is the soul. 

The individual jiva-soul has form and God has form. That is real form. And the material form is simply shirting and coating over the spiritual body. The form of the body takes place on account of the form of the spirit. This is very nice example. The cloth has no form, but when it is cut according to the form of the gentleman, it takes a form. Similarly, matter has no form. When it is coated on the spiritual form of the soul, it takes the form. This is very easy to understand."(Discussion with Thomas Aquinas on philosophy)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The individual living entity (jiva-soul) has got hands, legs, everything, spiritual. Just like my, I have got my body, and this body's covered by this shirt, and because I have got this hand, the shirt has got hand, otherwise where from this hand comes? Unless the jiva-soul has got hands and legs, how we have got these material hands and legs? Therefore the conclusion is that the individual jiva-souls are an eternal form that is beginningless and endless. Kṛṣṇa is eternal form also, sac cit ānanda vigraha (Bs. 5.1) that means eternity, all knowledge, bliss and form. Similarly, the individual jiva-souls, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, also have eternal form that is beginningless and endless like Krsna's Bodily form. So, because we have information from Bhagavad-gītā, that this body, material body is like a dress only, it is not who we are. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāny yathā vihāya. As we give up old dress, garment, similarly, when this body becomes useless, we give up this body and accept another new body. Navāni ghṛṇāti." (The Nectar of Devotion, Vrndavana, Oct 26, 1972)

As said above, the word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in either the material creation, or when dormant (inactive) in the impersonal brahmajyoti.

It is therefore incorrect to believe that the individual jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti, an already fallen conditioned state outside of the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana Srila Prabhupada has explained above.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) sometimes fall down to the material creation from the Vaikuntha planets or from Krsna's abode of Goloka-Vrindavana which are their original natural homes. 

Some big Vaisnava devotees wrongly claim all those in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana never fall down, no, that is incorrect although the majority, 90%, do not fall down to the material world because they choose not to however, some, less than 10%, do choose to rebel against Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets, and Krsna on Goloka-Vrindavana and fall down to the material world.  

The individual jiva-souls also differently do not originate from the Impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti), the Body of Maha-Visnu, or tatastha-sakti (all fallen conditioned designation outside of the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) as some foolishly believe.

The individual eternal jiva-souls trapped in the material world's cycle of repeated birth and death, may eventually become frustrated with their existence of suffering, they then attempt to find an escape from the temporary material world of continuos decay by trying to end their individual existence and bodily form by entering an "inactive dormant bodiless" state known as the impersonal brahmajyoti. 

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All individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal (beginningless and endless like Krsna) and enter the temporary material world from the perpetual Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls have no origin to their existence because they have always existed. This means the individual jiva-souls did not originate from an already fallen conditions like the impersonal (dormant) brahmajyoti, or from tatastha-sakti as explained by Prabhupada above and here-

Srila Prabhupada - "Dormant continuation (existing inactively) in the impersonal brahmajyoti by the individual jiva-souls trying to escape the repeated birth and death of the material world, is not spiritual, it is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those in the impersonal brahmajyoti are already in a fallen condition that they had previously fallen too, so there is no question of falling down from an already fallen condition like the impersonal brahmajyoti. When fall takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition, and that non-fallen condition are the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, July 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed."(BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?"(BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

1 - The eternal individual jiva-souls being "marginal" have the choice to be influenced by the "active" spiritual energy which is the individual jiva-souls natural constitutional position and full potential in the spiritual world 

2 - Or they can choose to be influenced by the material energy, an unnatural conditioned position the individual jiva-soul falls too. There the conditioned individual jiva-souls remain "active" in conditional material life, covered by the temporary repeated cycle of birth and death.

3 -  Or the fallen condition jiva-souls can fall further by seeking out an "inactive" dormant conditional state in the impersonal brahmajyoti to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world and trapped in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

The individual jiva-souls can fall to an inactive or dormant state called the impersonal brahmajyoti, but they certainly did not originate from there or can eternally remain there.

Srila Prabhupada - "Falling to the dormant impersonal brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence (impersonal brahmajyoti) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness [Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana]." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970)

Even entering the impersonal brahmajyoti or brahman is also only a temporary relief for the eternal jiva-souls who enter there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world and trapped in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

The implications of existing as an individual life force for infinity means the individual jiva-soul can, over the eternity of time, be anyone and almost every material bodily vessel there is over that eternity.  

There is no limitations to what the individual jiva-souls can experience in the material world because the stage is infinite and the individual jiva-souls are indestructible.

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the eternal individual jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution position), or the material energy, based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls who are eternal parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

The individual jiva-souls did not begin their existence by first entering the material world. That nonsense implies the jiva-souls have an origin when in fact they are eternal like Krsna and were never created.

Only ignorant fools with a poor fund of knowledge claim the individual jiva-souls originate from the dormant (inactive) impersonal Brahmajyoti.

All individual jiva-souls are originally from either the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavana where they have existed eternally before entering the material world Prabhupada teaches. 

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

There are no new jiva-souls being created as Bhagavad Gita As It is teaches, the individual jiva-souls  are eternal with no beginning or end meaning the jiva-souls did not originate from some nonsense imaginary place called tatastha-sakti.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is spiritual form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original feature of the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, they do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some foolishly believe.

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-soul is non-material, then what is its the form?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you state that spirit soul has form."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Devotee - "Otherwise, how is the material body grown to accommodate the spirit soul? Just like a shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shapes of the body. Does that mean that the spirit soul has the shape of the body that is accommodating it?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, you have got body, shape." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 Text 24, Hawaii, Jan 20, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter is impersonal. But because the superior prakṛti, jīva, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution), or the temporary decaying material energy) based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, April 25, 1970)

Only the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) express themselves in seperate way from Krsna which means they have free will. This is because all the other Visnu-tattva (also God) Personalities are Krsna just playing unlimited roles in other ways.

Mother Yasoda is not a jiva-soul, she is a direct expansion of Krsna (Visnu-tattva). In other words, just like Krsna is also Balarāma, and Krsna is also Radharani, Krsna can manifest Himself in different moods as different Visnu-tattva Personalities.

Srila Prabhupada - "Nanda and mother Yasoda are the eternal father & mother of Krsna. This means that whenever Krsna descends, Nanda and Yasoda, as well as Vasudeva and Devaki, also descend as the Lord's father and mother. Their personalities are expansions of Krsna's personal body." (SB, Canto 10 Ch 8 text 48)

As long as aspiring devotees associate with foolish impersonalism and nonsense devotees, sannyasis and gurus, they will never understand the true facts about the fallen condition tatastha-sakti, the eternal  nature of the individual jiva-souls, Krsna's direct unlimited expansions like Visnu/Narayana, Balarama,  Maha-Visnu, Ramachandra,  Narsingadeva etc.^×^.

All marginal living entities (individual jīva-souls) are eternal living beings (persons as a spiritual bodily form) who are beginningless and endless therefore, there are no new jiva-souls ever being created because they have always existed over infinity.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9 July 1970)

Many scholars, historians and religionists have still not properly understood the eternal infinite position of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls), as being Krsna's eternal servant in their original infinite position and home in the perpetual Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets.

Of course, taking birth in the temporary mundane material world is achieved by first choosing to leave one's real perpetual home in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

This means the individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) never originated from an "inactive" clear sheet of "dormant" consciousness either, meaning they never originated from an impersonal origin in the Brahman or Brahmajyoti effulgence, nor from the Body of Maha-Visnu or the fallen conditioned state called tatastha-sakti.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Existence in the impersonal brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are dormant in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana." (Letter, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha (The Kingdoms of God) are the original home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) where there is no repeated birth and death, decay or impermanence. 

This is because the individual jiva-souls do not occupy a material bodily vessel in the spiritual world. 

The material bodily vessel or container in the material world, is always in a constant state of decay and decline and in need of round the clock maintenance in the material creation.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were never created and will never cease to be, they have always existed as an eternal individual PERSON as a spiritual bodily form Bhagavad-Gita As It Is tells us.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the non-permanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Because all individual jīva-souls are eternal PERSONS, there are no new jiva-souls ever being created because they have always existed as said above and repeated here-

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9 July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible. 

The “life force” (anti-matter) is a collection of "individual living personalities," beginning with Krsna and His Visnu/Narayana expansions, His unique stand alone mysterious Lord Siva expansion, and His separated marginal potency (individual jiva-soul) expansions who are marginal because they can voluntarily live in either the spiritual world or the temporary material world.

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly, Krsna and the individual jiva-souls cannot exist without each other the "Nectar of Devotion" tells us. 

An important point said above is the jiva-souls were never born or never created, nor will they ever die, only the outer material bodily vessel or container they are in decays, wears out and eventually ceases to function (dies) forcing the individual jiva-souls within the material body to leave that container and take another material bodily vessel while in the material world.

The individual jiva-souls are the passengers who temporarily occupy a material bodily vessel (container) who will always exist even when that material bodily vessels wears out, decomposes and ceases to function.

This also means the individual jiva-souls never came from an "inactive clear sheet of consciousness" either that the impersonalist yogis or mayavadis preach.

The individual jiva-souls also never originated from tatastha-sakti, also a "conditioned state" outside the spiritual world that many religious groups wrongly preach is the individual jiva-soul’s origin.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha or "conditioned characteristics," and the spiritual world is the personal eternal "non-conditioned characteristics" (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavan)." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "So that means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970) 

The individual jiva-souls in their full spiritual personal potential have the same spiritual bodily features as Krsna, 

sat,

cit,

ananda,

vigraha. 

Which means-

eternity, 

knowledge, 

bliss,

bodily FORM.

The individual jiva-souls did not originate from any impersonal dormant bodiless state in the impersonal (inactive) Brahmajyoti, nor from tatastha-sakti or from the Body of Maha-Visnu because they have no origin, the individual jiva souls are beginningless and endless just like Krsna and therefore never created.

This obviously means all individual jiva-souls have already experienced an unlimited number of material bodily vessels, from the very rich to the very poor, from the most famous to the infamous etc over infinity (beginningless and endless)

The full potential and original infinite feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is having a two armed, two legs bodily form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God, I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation of the jiva-soul. The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "So are they covered in the spiritual world too?"

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Krsna never interferes with the individual jiva-soul's free will of voluntary service, even when they choose to reject Him, otherwise free will would have no meaning.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will exists."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will, he can misuse his free will if he chooses. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, oh, this material world is very nice, "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and enjoy, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity. "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Also, it is not Maya and her material energy that causes the individual jiva-souls to fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana,  because there is no material energy (Maya) in the spiritual world to force the individual jiva-souls to leave Krsna or Visnu however, there is always free will in the spiritual world. 

Maya's temptation from Her material energy do not exist on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana because She does not exist there however, as said above, free will does eternally exist in the spiritual world that is part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's make up, which means they always can voluntarily choose where to live.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that "Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?" I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned jiva-souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana), does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the individual spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9 July 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (BG lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsna Loka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna,  as soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Melbourne Australia June 1972)and 

Acyutananda - ''In the Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary." 

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, that independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can voluntarily misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may fall down to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free wil l, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will., But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).×÷÷×.

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes meaning everything comes from Kṛṣṇa.

This young beautiful boy Krsna is likened to the original candle who lights all the other candles (Visnu-tattva expansions) of the same luminosity.

Srila Prabhupada - "Although there are many expansions, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the origin, as confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. He is like the original candle, from which many thousands and millions of candles are lit. Although any number of candles can be lit, the original candle still retains its identity as the origin. In this way Kṛṣṇa expands Himself into so many forms, and all these expansions are called viṣṇu-tattva. Viṣṇu is a large light, and we are small lights, but all are expansions of Kṛṣṇa." (CC Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "The original Lord Kṛṣṇa never leaves Goloka Vṛndāvana. All the plenary expansions are one and the same Viṣṇu-tattva, and there is no difference in Their potency." (SB, Canto 3 Ch 1 Text 34 Purport)

Krsna is the source of all Narayana/Visnu expansions of God, who all originated (expanded) from Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavana.

Each Visnu/Narayana Form further have their own perpetual Vaikuntha planet and unique name describing their particular pastimes, where they reside as a four armed Form 

An unlimited number of Vaikuntha planets surround Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana. 

Together the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana take up 75% of the Spiritual Sky where everything there is living as individual forms, lifeless material energy or Maya does not exist there in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The other 25% of the Spiritual Sky is the temporary (decomposing) material world where the visiting individual jiva-souls from the spiritual world, must acquire a material bodily container or vessel to enter the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this material body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, New York City)

All the material bodily vessels in the material world belong to Maha-Visnu and must be aquired from Him in order to enter the material world.

However, all such material bodily vessels are temporary and subject to constant decline, decay and always in need of constant maintenance, nothing made of matter lasts forever in the material world, everything is always in a constant state of decomposition.

This causes the eternal individual jiva-souls within those material bodies, who are visiting from the spiritual worlds as passengers in those bodily vessels, to continue taking birth after birth in the material world and continue trying to satisfy their desires and material senses.

The temporary material world is created and maintained by Krsna's expansion's 

1 - Karanarnavasayi Visnu (Maha-Visnu), who creates all the unlimited massive Brahmanda universes. 

2 - Garbhodakashayi Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha) who creates a "secondary material universe" inside the massive surrounding Brahmanda universe.

3 - Ksirodakasayi Visnu (Paramatma or Super Soul) who resides next to every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) within what ever material bodily vessel they take out of the 8 million 400 species of material life.

Srila Prabhupada - "For material creation, Krsna's plenary expansion assumes three Visnus. The first, Mahā Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva. The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities and the third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super soul in all the universes; in the heart of every living being, is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms.The goal of life is to know Kṛṣṇa, who is situated within the heart of every living being as Paramātmā, the four-handed Viṣṇu form." (BG, Ch 7 text 4 Purport)

There is only one Maha-Visnu, but unlimited Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Ksirodakasayi Visnus.

This is because of the unlimited number of "secondary universes" there are, that are each deep within their massive Brahmanda universe.

Krsna is the original source of Maha-Visnu who creates these material universes (Brahmandas) that originate from Maha-Visnu's breathing and the pores of His skin as seen in photo below.

As said above, deep inside each Brahmanda material universe, there is a "secondary inner" enclosed universe where Maha-Visnu expands as Garbhodakashayi Visnu, from whom Lord Brahma appears at the top of a lotus flower growing from the naval of Garbhodakashayi Visnu and builds the many planetary systems in his material universe. 

There are unlimited Brahmanda universes, each having a secondary material universe inside of them meaning each has their own Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Lord Brahma.

In these "secondary material universes" created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu deep within each Brahmanda universe, Lord Brahma builds the 14 planetary systems.

In our secondary material universe, there are 14 planetary systems.

In other material universes inside their Brahmanda, they have many more planetary systems than just 14.

Our material universe (Brahmanda) and its secondary universe inside it is one of the smallest.

The size of each Brahmanda and inner universe depends on how many heads Lord Brahma has, in our material universe he has four heads, while in other material universes Brahma may have 10, 20, 50, 100, 100,000, one million or 10 million. The workings of this material universe is beyond our comprehension.×. ×..

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His dear devotees) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him, from His devotee's personal view point, with their own unique thoughtful contributing offerings without any influence from Krsna, this is what "free will" means.

A relationship where the devotee of Kṛṣṇa is always told what to do, how to think, and how to act, and only obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings to Krsna), without intelligent inquiry and investigation, will only de-personalize that devotee's ability to voluntary make personal unique contributions and offering, making the devotee mindless and loveless and no better than dead stone, which impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The relationship with Krsna and His devotees in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" to think and act, and only do what they are told to in the name of surrender!

No, this kind of dangerous impersonal character destroying so called surrender, only denies the devotees to freely voice their personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and individual expressions of loving emotions that can only be experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Therefore, "free will" must eternally exist for Krsna's devotees because if Krsna denied "free will," then His devotees could not voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, creating a "two-way" exclusive exchange with Krsna which is the only way that leads to transformations based on loving reciprocation and character building returns. This is also because love can only exist in a relationship of two, and NEVER one.

In other words, Krsna allows "free will" so His dear devotees can uniquely express themselves in a loving way, with their own unique individuality, by voluntarily offerings their own thoughtful contributions to Him.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does nt 56 4-5 a t Chot want to become a lover at the point of revolver forcing you to love Him. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Krsna wants His devotees to be personally creative and original in their independent voluntary personal contributions, friendship and service to Him in the spiritual world, and not be thoughtless, mindless and impersonal by only being told what to do and think under the  so called bogus heading of "surrendering" to Krsna.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a voluntary "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His devotees which is the real meaning of surrender, where the devotee chooses to serve and express themselves in their own unique way as a separate independent individual from Krsna. Only then when personal contributions are encouraged by Krsna and voluntary offered by His devotees, does REAL surrender to Krsna become personalism.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship between two, otherwise love can never exist. 

In this way, Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Him in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this only proves Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately, this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him, the devotees having their freedom of self expression (free will) must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees their independence or freedom of expression, then genuine loving voluntary exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open "two-way" exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from the puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship. This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions) 

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world, love can only exist when there is a "two-way" cooperative exchange of loving emotions, feelings and actions.

The is because genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one, there MUST be two engaging in cooperative loving exchanges!

The devotees have their personal offerings they want to serve and please Krsna with too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The words "reciprocation cooperation and exchanges" only have meaning when there are two involved, not one! 

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world meant also for those who reject Krsna.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" to think and act what they are only told, denying personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and an individual expression of loving emotions experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Such a loveless stagnant unproductive one-sided mindless relationship of only obeying, is like machines on a factory floor devoid of life, where personal thoughtful individual unique contributions (life) is denied and rejected. 

Therefore, without a voluntary loving reciprocal "two-sided" cooperative exchange with God, only means the deluded devotee's "so called surrender" to his so called God, is really on the path of dangerous loveless spiritual suicidal impersonalism. 

This impersonal Kingdom of God, explained above, attained under the bogus heading of so called surrender to Krsna, MUST be rejected and seen as dangerous mayavadi teachings that will only extinguish the devotees unique personality, sense of independent self, and individual contributions under the bogus name of "surrender." 

Such a fool God and his useless Gurus and spiritual masters demand you surrender your "free will" and individuality and just be told what to do and think.

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always personally voluntarily productive, based on "free will" that allows a variety of personal unique creative voluntary contributions (offering) in an unlimited diversity of services to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges with Krsna exist that expand the relationship on a two-way front.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

Krsna encourages His dear pure devotees to be personally creative, inventive and original in their self expression, offerings, contributions, cooperation, friendship and service to Him, by being the individual unique productive independent person each devotee is.

This does not mean the devotee changes the basic teachings of the Krsna consciousness movement, no, those teachings are strictly followed in the foot steps of the great Acharyas. 

It only means presenting those eact same teachings in the devotees own unique way like Srila Prabhupada did when he departed from the Gaudiya Math, his Spiritual Master's organisation, and created and started his own world wide ISKCON movement (The International Society for Krishna Consciousness) 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form and can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible. 

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy, an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls, who have all existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist for the pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa if their association with Krsna, the Supreme Lord, was not voluntary in a "two-way" relationship based on mutual reciprocation and respect.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Respect must go both ways in a reciprocal loving relationship with Krsna in order to have genuine exchanges, loving reciprocation and unique voluntary service.

Krsna gave His devotees (individual jiva-souls) their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to accept Kṛṣṇa, or even reject Him if they choose. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussion on Rene Descartes philosophy)

It must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave the devotees their freedom (free will) then genuine loving exchanges could never exist and Krsna would be no different from a puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.^<^. 

The relationship with Krsna and His devotees in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless relationship of convenience where the devotee is expected to think and act and only do what they are told to in the name of surrender!

No, this kind of dangerous impersonal character destroying so called surrender, only denies the devotees to freely voice their personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and individual expressions of loving emotions that can only be experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Therefore, "free will" must eternally exist for Krsna's devotees because if Krsna denied "free will," then His devotees could not voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, creating a "two-way" exclusive exchange with Krsna which is the only way that leads to transformations based on loving reciprocation and character building returns. This is also because love can only exist in a relationship of two, and NEVER one.

In other words, Krsna allows "free will" so His dear devotees can uniquely express themselves in a loving way, with their own unique individuality, by voluntarily offerings their own thoughtful individual contributions to Him.

Actually, everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, who knows past, present and future, everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansion in unlimited different categories, He is always in control, but even for Krsna to experience loving exchanges, He MUST allow the individual jiva-souls to have free will in a "two-sided" voluntary exchange of feelings and emotions. 

So this always includes allowing His devotees to have their free will (freedom of voluntary self-expression, thoughts and actions) As said above, allowing the individual jiva-souls to have "free will" puts Krsna's entire creation in a PERSONAL "two-way" mode, and not a "one-way" IMPERSONAL dictatorship where "free will" does not exist. 

We must always remember everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, and is His creation and not a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna the Supreme Lord however, if Krsna denied the jiva-souls (His devotees) from expressing their "free will," then He would NEVER be surrounded by loving thoughtful devotees who depend on their expression of free will to independently love him (voluntary serve Him in a variety of ways) in their own unique way.

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal view point, with their own unique thoughtful contributing offerings without any influence from Krsna, this is what "free will" means. 

A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think, and how to act, and to only obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings to Krsna), without intelligent inquiry, will only make the devotee no better than dead stone, which is mindless selfish impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver forcing you to love Him. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Krsna wants His devotees to be personally creative and original in their independent voluntary personal contributions, friendship and service to Him in the spiritual world, and not be thoughtless, mindless and impersonal, and only told what to do and how to think in their so called "surrender" to Krsna.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees under the heading of surrender, where they voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way as separate individuals from Krsna, only then when personal contributions are encouraged, nurtured and personally acted upon, does REAL surrender to Krsna exists.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship between two, otherwise love can never exist. 

In this way, Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Him in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this only proves Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately, this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him, the devotees having their freedom of self expression (free will) must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees their independence or freedom of expression, then genuine loving voluntary exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open "two-way" exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from the puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship. This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions) 

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world, love can only exist when there is a "two-way" cooperative exchange of loving emotions, feelings and actions.

The is because genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one, there MUST be two engaging in cooperative loving exchanges!

The devotees have their personal offerings they want to serve and please Krsna with too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The words "reciprocation cooperation and exchanges" only have meaning when there are two involved, not one! 

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world meant also for those who reject Krsna.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" to think and act what they are only told, denying personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and an individual expression of loving emotions experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Such a loveless stagnant unproductive one-sided mindless relationship of only obeying, is like machines on a factory floor devoid of life, where personal thoughtful individual unique contributions (life) is denied and rejected. 

Therefore, without a voluntary loving reciprocal "two-sided" cooperative exchange with God, only means the deluded devotee's "so called surrender" to his so called God, is really on the path of dangerous loveless spiritual suicidal impersonalism. 

This impersonal Kingdom of God, explained above, attained under the bogus heading of so called surrender to Krsna, MUST be rejected and seen as dangerous mayavadi teachings that will only extinguish the devotees unique personality, sense of independent self, and individual contributions under the bogus name of "surrender." 

Such a fool God and his useless Gurus and spiritual masters demand you surrender your "free will" and individuality and just be told what to do and think.

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always personally voluntarily productive, based on "free will" that allows a variety of personal unique creative voluntary contributions (offering) in an unlimited diversity of services to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges with Krsna exist that expand the relationship on a two-way front.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.÷×÷.