Sunday, October 31, 2021

There is no difference between thinking of Srimati Radharani and Kṛṣṇa, and personally associating with Them.

Srila Prabhupada - "Radharani's mind, senses and body are steeped in love for Kṛṣṇa. She is Kṛṣṇa’s own energy, and She helps Him in His pastimes. Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is as fully spiritual as Kṛṣṇa. 

No one should consider Her to be material. She is definitely not like the conditioned souls, who have material bodies, gross and subtle, covered by material senses. 

She is all-spiritual, and both Her body and Her mind are of the same spiritual embodiment. 

Because Her body is spiritual, Her senses are also spiritual. Thus Her body, mind and senses fully shine in love of Kṛṣṇa. 

She is the personified hlādinī-śakti (the pleasure-giving energy of the Lord’s internal potency), and therefore She is the only source of enjoyment for Śrī Kṛṣṇa. 

Śrī Kṛṣṇa cannot enjoy anything that is internally different from Him.Therefore Rādhā and Śrī Kṛṣṇa are identical. 

The sandhinī portion of Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s internal potency has manifested the all-attractive form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and the same internal potency, in the hlādinī feature, has presented Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, who is the attraction for the all-attractive. 

No one can match Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī in the transcendental pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa." (Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.71, Translation and Purport)

Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 23.68, Translation - "The transcendental goddess Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the direct counterpart of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attraction to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord."

Srila Prabhupada - "Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī are both transcendentally qualified, and both of Them attract one another. Yet in that transcendental attraction, Rādhārāṇī is greater than Kṛṣṇa, for the attractiveness of Rādhārāṇī is the transcendental taste in conjugal love. Similarly, there are transcendental tastes in servitude, friendship and other relationships with Kṛṣṇa." (Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Chapter 14, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "When Kṛṣṇa left Vṛndāvana for Mathurā, the gopīs became most dejected and spent the rest of their lives simply crying in separation from Kṛṣṇa. This means that in one sense they were never actually separated from Kṛṣṇa. There is no difference between thinking of Kṛṣṇa and associating with Him. 

Rather, vipralambha-sevā, thinking of Kṛṣṇa in separation, as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu did, is far better than serving Kṛṣṇa directly. 

Thus of all the devotees who have developed unalloyed devotional love for Kṛṣṇa, the gopīs are most exalted, and out of all these exalted gopīs, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the highest. 

No one can excel the devotional service of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī. 

Indeed, even Kṛṣṇa cannot understand the attitude of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī; therefore He took Her position and appeared as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, just to understand Her transcendental feelings. 

In this way Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī gradually concludes that Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the most exalted devotee of Kṛṣṇa and that Her kuṇḍa (lake), Śrī Rādhā-kuṇḍa, is the most exalted place." (Nectar of Instruction 10, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Of the many objects of favored delight and of all the lovable damsels of Vrajabhūmi, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is certainly the most treasured object of Kṛṣṇa's love. And, in every respect, Her divine kuṇḍa is described by great sages as similarly dear to Him. 

Undoubtedly Rādhā-kuṇḍa is very rarely attained even by the great devotees; therefore it is even more difficult for ordinary devotees to attain. If one simply bathes once within those holy waters, one's pure love of Kṛṣṇa is fully aroused. 

Why is Rādhā-kuṇḍa so exalted? 

The lake is so exalted because it belongs to Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, who is the most beloved object of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Among all the gopīs, She is the most beloved. 

Similarly, Her lake, Śrī Rādhā-kuṇḍa, is also described by great sages as the lake that is as dear to Kṛṣṇa as Rādhā Herself. 

Indeed, Kṛṣṇa's love for Rādhā-kuṇḍa and Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the same in all respects. 

Rādhā-kuṇḍa is very rarely attained, even by great personalities fully engaged in devotional service, not to speak of ordinary devotees who are only engaged in the practice of vaidhī bhakti." (Nectar of Instruction 11, Translation and Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Lord Caitanya exhibited the mode of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī when She was contacted from Dvārakā by Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Such transcendental love is not possible for any common man; therefore one should not imitate the highest perfectional stage exhibited by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. 

If, however, one desires to be in that association, he may follow in the footsteps of the gopīs. In the Padma Purāṇa it is stated that just as Rādhārāṇī is dear to Kṛṣṇa, similarly the kuṇḍa known as Rādhākuṇḍa is also very dear to Him. 

Rādhārāṇī is the only gopī who is dearer to Kṛṣṇa than all the other gopīs. 

In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Canto 10 Chapter 30 Text 28 it is also stated that Rādhārāṇī and the gopīs render the highest perfectional loving service to the Lord and that the Lord is so pleased with them that He does not wish to leave the company of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī." (Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Chapter 30) 

Srila Prabhupada - "As Kṛṣṇa is the highest emblem of spiritual perfection, so Rādhārāṇī is the highest emblem of that spiritual pleasure potency by which Kṛṣṇa is satisfied. Since Kṛṣṇa is unlimited, in order to satisfy Him Rādhārāṇī is also unlimited. Kṛṣṇa is satisfied just by seeing Rādhārāṇī, but Rādhārāṇī expands Herself in such a way that Kṛṣṇa desires to enjoy Her more. 

Because Kṛṣṇa was unable to estimate the pleasure potency of Rādhārāṇī, He decided to accept the role of Rādhārāṇī, and that combination is Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu." (Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Chapter 31)

Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.76, Translation - "Just as the fountainhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa, is the cause of all incarnations, so Śrī Rādhā is the cause of all these consorts."

Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 4.82, Translation - "Rādhā is the one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts."

Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.83, Translation - "The transcendental goddess Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the direct counterpart of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord."

Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.96, Translation - "Śrī Rādhā is the full power, and Lord Kṛṣṇa is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures. The attitude of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the highest perfection of conjugal love."

Srila Prabhupada -"Lord Caitanya’s heart was full of the feelings of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and His appearance resembled Hers. 

Svarūpa Dāmodara has explained His attitude as rādhā-bhāva-mūrti, the attitude of Rādhārāṇī. One who engages in sense gratification on the material platform can hardly understand rādhā-bhāva, but one who is freed from the demands of sense gratification can understand it. 

Rādhā-bhāva must be understood from the Gosvāmīs, those who are actually controllers of the senses. 

From such authorized sources it is to be known that the attitude of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the highest perfection of conjugal love, which is the highest of the five transcendental mellows, and it is the complete perfection of love of Kṛṣṇa. In the loving affairs of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, Rādhārāṇī is the āśraya feature and Kṛṣṇa the viṣaya." (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.106, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Viṣaya and āśraya are two very significant words relating to the reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee. The devotee is called the āśraya, and his beloved, Kṛṣṇa, is the viṣaya. Different ingredients are involved in the exchange of love between the āśraya and viṣaya, which are known as vibhāva, anubhāva, sāttvika and vyabhicārī. 

Vibhāva is divided into the two categories ālambana and uddīpana. Ālambana may be further divided into āśraya and viṣaya. In the loving affairs of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, Rādhārāṇī is the āśraya feature and Kṛṣṇa the viṣaya. The transcendental consciousness of the Lord tells Him, 

'I am Kṛṣṇa, and I experience pleasure as the viṣaya. The pleasure enjoyed by Rādhārāṇī, the āśraya, is many times greater than the pleasure I feel.'

Therefore, to feel the pleasure of the āśraya category, Lord Kṛṣṇa appeared as Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu." (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.135, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Among the gopīs, Śrīmatī Rādhikā is the foremost. She surpasses all in beauty, in good qualities, in good fortune and, above all, in love. Among all the gopīs, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the most exalted. She is the most beautiful, the most qualified and, above all, the greatest lover of Kṛṣṇa." (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.214, Translation and Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Rādhā is the beloved consort of Kṛṣṇa, and She is the wealth of His life. Without Her, the gopīs cannot give Him pleasure. Radharani is the chief damsel of Vraja in love with Govinda, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa." (Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 4.218, Translation)

Srila Prabhupada - "The fact is that both Kṛṣṇa and Lord Caitanya are the original Personality of Godhead. No one should try to eliminate Lord Caitanya from Śrī Kṛṣṇa. In His form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, He is the supreme enjoyer, and in His form of Lord Caitanya, He is the supreme enjoyed. 

No one can be more superexcellently attractive than Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and but for Śrī Kṛṣṇa, no one can enjoy the supreme form of devotion, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī. But for Śrī Kṛṣṇa, all Viṣṇu forms are lacking this ability. This is explained in the description of Govinda in Caitanya-caritāmṛta. 

There it is said that Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the only personality who can infuse Śrī Kṛṣṇa with transcendental pleasure. Thus Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the chief damsel of Vraja in love with Govinda, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa." (Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Chapter 32)









Those who deny that Krsna's perpetual Kingdom is the real home of all jiva-souls, by foolishly attempting to build their home in the temporary material creation, are condemning themselves to the suffering cycle of repeated birth and death in the material creation.

The goal of this rare human life is to be trained up to get out of this material world and go back home, back to Goloka-Vrindavan, the eternal personal active Krsna Conscious Kingdom of God.

No one should try to seek out a permanent comfortable life in this temporary decaying material creation because it is not possible while in a perishable troublesome decaying material bodily vessel.

Our only desire should be to go Back home back to Godhead (and be with Krsna) and not attempt to build comfortable homes, cities and sky scrappers in this mundane existence or desire to go to the higher material heavely planets seeking out satisfaction and happiness. 

Such actions are not permanently possible in the temporary material creation.

We see how modern technology is only attempting to build the Kingdom of God without God (Krsna)

We should all learn from a very young age, we are the individual perpetual jiva-soul trapped within these temporary outer material bodily coverings, or containers that are always in a state of decline, decay and in constant need of maintenance and repair.

All material endevours for happiness will never solve the problems of 

birth, 

disease, 

old age, 

death.

That leads to constant changing of material bodily vessels that repeatedly experience the cycle of-

birth, 

youth, 

middle age, 

old age,

death.

The jiva-souls are eternal living PERSONS who have no beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be.

The jiva-souls are known as Krsna's “marginal energy.”

"Marginal" means "in-between" the influence of the spiritual energy and the influence of material energy.  

The marginal energy (jiva-souls) are individual living entities and is NOT some place in the Spiritual Sky where the jiva-souls originate from, no, the marginal potency or realm ARE the individual jiva-souls who have no origin and were NEVER created!

The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls are under the influence of either the spiritual energy, or the material energy.  

The marginal realm or potency is NOT a place somewhere in the Spiritual Sky, no, the marginal potency ARE the individual living entities or jiva-souls who are EVERYWHERE throughout the Spiritual Sky!

Many misunderstanding this fact.

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva souls), who have existed as long as Krsna has existed. 

The marginal platform means the "jiva-souls" or spirit souls, who, as living spiritual individual beings, naturally belong to the supreme spiritual energy (non-material) with Krsna, are called "marginal living entities." 

The jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy eternally (that makes the marginal), explained as follows by Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom.” (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy, called as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we (the jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities (jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Album, New York City, Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul) Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Therefore, being “generated” from the marginal plane does not mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some so called place in the Brahmajyoti.

First of all, being "marginal" means the jiva-souls have free will, or having the choice to be influenced by the spiritual energy (the jiva-souls nature position and full potential) or influenced by the material energy (unnatural conditioned state) 

As said above, the real meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy based on their free will.

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”

This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created.

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG 2.12)

The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed and both were never created.

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The material bodily vessels covering the jiva-souls are temporary therefore, the jiva-souls are continually forced to take a new material body when the one they are in ceases to operate due to, decay, disease, accidents and old age. 

The purpose of this very rare human form is to use it to get out of this material world and not continue trying to build the kingdom of God without God.

That is not possible in the material universes that are constantly in a state of decay and decline.

Srila Prabhupada - "When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (From the "Happening Record Album" New York City, USA 1966)












Tuesday, October 26, 2021

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Krsna expands Himself as all the unlimited Visnu/Narayana forms of Godhead who have their own Vaikuntha Planets in the perpetual Spiritual World.

And expands also as Visnu who manage the material universes known as Maha Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Paramatma.

All these Visnu expansions come from this amazing little boy Krsna.

Our beautiful Krsna is so wonderful.

So always remember the golden rule- 

"Always think of Krsna and NEVER forget Him"

Always avoid (block) those who are envious, those who only want see faults, and those masquerading as religious leaders.








Inquiry into Spiritual life in the material creation can ONLY begin when the jiva-souls have attained the rare human form of life.

Free will certainly does NOT exist in lower species of material life, where the trapped jiva-souls in material bodily vessels, are always forced to act under the demands of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

However, free will is partially expressed in a very limited way ONLY in the human form of life in the material creation, where the trapped jiva-souls can inquire about where they came from, why are they here, and where are they going.

This ability to inquire is restarting their Spiritual life again.

In other words, this inquiry into Spiritual life can ONLY begin when the jiva-souls have attained the human form of life.

The human body CAN provide the intelligence and miniscule free will for the trapped jiva-souls to seek out a Spiritual Master, who can then guide the trapped jiva-souls back home, back to Godhead, back to Krsna.

One can only enter Spiritual life under the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master like Srila Prabhupada seen in photos below.

The jiva-soul's full potential of expressing their free will, can only fully exists in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada tells us, without "free will" and the ability to reciprocate with voluntary loving exchanges in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, the jiva-soul is no better than dead stone that can NEVER receive and give love in a genuine heart felt exchange.

In the Spiritual world, there is ALWAYS deep loving exchanges of emotions and reciprocation going on between Krsna and his dear friends, family members and inhabitants of Goloka Vrindavana, such reciprocation is the foundation of Spiritual life or devotional service.

It is NEVER a "one-way" street of just obey, obey obey, and do what you are told to do without contributing to one's relationship with Krsna. 

Such denial only stagnates one's ability to contribute their own individual input, personal offerings and unique abilities. 

No two jiva-souls are the same in the Spiritual Sky.

Every jiva-soul is "unique" with their own personality, individuality, independence and ''special'' relationship with Krsna.

Gurus and Spiritual leaders who preach that you do not have to think for yourself in Gods Kingdom are bogus dictatorial impersonalists and bullies. 

They are really promoting spiritual suicide (denying the individual self as a contributing independent person with free will).

Real love or service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way street" that includes individual contributions and personal offerings that can only exist when the jiva-soul can express their own independent individuality and unique free will. 

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there''. (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana therefore, are forever expanding their sense of individuality with personal offerings and contributions to Krsna based on selfless loving reciprocation with the Lord, it is NEVER a one-sided relations with the Krsna, there is ALWAYS reciprocation in a "two-way exchange" that allows "loving service" to exist, expand and florish.

Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a "one-way street". 

That kind of mindless forced surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics that THEY only have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent eternal "person" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. "So God does not interfere with your little independence”. (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Devotee – "But In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means YOU lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)

The one way street slave/master relationship between individuals DOES NOT exists in Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha.

How boring would Goloka-Vrindavan be if every jiva-soul was exactly the the same in God's Kingdom of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, like a programmed robot on an assembly line.

That version of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana is IMPERSONALISM! 

This means there are no heart felt loving exchanges shared between two, between Krsna and the jiva-souls. 

Impersonalism means "one". 

Personalism means "two"

Therefore this means "love" can only begin to exist when their are "two" involved.

The "impersonal" version of "surrender", prominent in the 1970s with many nonsense religious cults and sangas, are just "mindless" concocted dangerous version of religion. 

Those cult followers are encouraged to extinguish their personal identity, contributions, individual personality, free will and sense of self in the name of "surrender", and just do what you are told to do and think in the name of "surrendering" to their bogus version of God. 

Both "Personal" sangas (even some Vaisnava groups) and "impersonal" sangas cults are guilty of this bogus version of what "surrender" means.

No, love between the devotee, Guru and Krsna is NEVER impersonal and selfish like explained above, that is expressed in "one-way" impersonal forceful demands of obedience.

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)

Impersonalism DENIES loving reciprocation and individual contributions between Krsna and all his followers.

This forceful bogus impersonal version of surrender denies one's individual contributions and self expression.

In the spiritual Planets of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, the jiva-souls NEVER deny who they REALLY are as an idependant unique person with their own personality seperate from Krsna's Personality. 

Nowhere in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are there attempts by the jiva-souls to extinguish their free will, identity and individuality in the name of surrender, thinking that giving up all these unique qualities, one is "surrendering" to Krsna and becoming selfless.

No! This kind of surrender is impersonalism.

Being a "unique person" that the jiva-soul is eternally, and ALWAYS having  their"free will" that is always expressed fully in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, allows the jiva-souls to give the very best in their service of the Lord. 

This is what selflessness and surrender really means, where the jiva-souls express their own unique qualities in the service of Lord Krsna, making them His very dear friends He is ALWAYS reciprocating with eternally.

The jiva-souls are "surrendered" persons in this way and are servants of the servants (friends) of Krsna.

This is who we all are as our real Svarupa eternal spiritual bodily identity in Goloka Vrindavana, or on Visnu's Vaikuntha Planets.*













Monday, October 25, 2021

Genuine LOVE or service is NOT a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence.

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between TWO, not just one!

Srila Prabhupāda - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be "one" or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means a relationship between "two persons", then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - “In the spiritual world how one serves Kṛṣṇa is always voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souĺs have THEIR choices too, EVEN if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Talk with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are TWO involved, not one!

This also means the individual jiva-souls CAN reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" DOES truly exist.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna even though they CAN express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately from His own Personality for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions for encouraging unique individual contributions and personal offerings.

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will are ALWAYS encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls, that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association.

This means the Kingdom of God is NOT a one-sided dominating impersonal domain that is devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force.” (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including free will.

Srila Prabhupada is simply confirming below that EVERYTHING comes from Krsna and MUST be sanctioned by Krsna first, including FREE WILL 

This is because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, meaning nothing happens without the sanction of Krsna.

Syamasundara dasa - ''Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?

Srila Prabhupada - ''No (not without the sanction of Krsna) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes.

Syamasundara dasa - ''So we have no free will?

Srila Prabhupada - ''Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause.

Syamasundara dasa - ''But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence.

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything''. (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Krsna will ALWAYS sanction free will and the ability to choose, regardless of what is said above because without free will, the jiva-souls could NEVER voluntary contribute in their own individual way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, which actually what makes it a "two-way" exchange possible.

Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom. (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden).

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (SB Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Krsna will ALWAYS sanction "free will" and the ability to choose because without free will, the jiva-souls could never voluntary participate in a relationship with Krsna involving loving reciprocal exchanges.

In the Spiritual World's of Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, loving devotional service is never a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, REAL love or service is ALWAYS reciprocal and voluntary as a "two-way" healthy exchange of feelings in God's (Krsna) Kingdom.

Cintamani (or the Cintamani Stone), is a wish-fulfilling jewel in Goloka Vrindavana.

Cintamani is ALWAYS aspired to achieve by great devotes because they ONLY desire to please Krsna.

To say you have no desires in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is Impersonalism or Mayavadi nonsense.

One NEVER loses "desires" in the Spiritual Worlds because THOSE desires are forever expanding to always please Krsna.

It is foolish to think one becomes desireless in the Spiritual Worlds, only impersonalist try to extinguish their desires.

Actually devotees increase their desires in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because they desire to ALWAYS please Krsna more and more. ***