Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will." (Discussions Prabhupada - Rene Descartes)

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel of their eternal identity and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they choose, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then the jiva-souls have no free will.

This is why it is foolish that big, big sannyasis, gurus and Vaisnava scholars who claim once entering the spiritual world, the jiva-souls can never fall down again to the material world.

No, they CAN fall down again and again if they choose to do so! 

And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy) because there is no Maya in the spiritual world, but there is ALWAYS free will. Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows voluntary loving exchanges which is only possible in a "two-sided" relationship, this also allows one to accept or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara - Henri Bergson)

Even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation once returning to the spiritual world, there IS return if the jiva-souls want to return to the material world as Prabhupada explains here-

Acyutananda – "In Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, once coming to the spiritual world, the jiva-soul never returns to the material world, so He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back."

Srila Prabhupada - "No! There is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again. So those who are going back to Godhead, they MUST become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead?" (Prabhupada discussion with Syamasundara Dasa)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, Kṛṣṇa says, yes, you can go. Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Therefore, returning back home back to Godhead is NOT necessarily permanent Prabhupada has explained above, that choice to stay, or go ALSO is the jiva-soul's choice too.

It is NOT just a "one-sided decision" that only Krsna makes, no, real loving exchanges can NEVER exist in such a "one-sided" relationship because there is ALWAYS "free will" in the spiritual world that also allows the jiva-souls to choose for themselves what they want to d,  even if that means rejecting Krsna.

This is what is really going on in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)^

Śrīla Prabhupāda - "Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things MUST be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a "one-way" forced unproductive affinity.

One's relationship with Krsna is ALWAYS based on free will that allows a variety of voluntary offerings of service to Krsna.

Only then can genuine love exist.

The jiva-souls in their full potential in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to increase their variety of devotional service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever voluntarily finding ways to expand their individual expression of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual relationship with Him.

Such a relationship is NEVER impersonal, "one-sided" or one-way because Krsna always reciprocates with such genuine loving affection with His devotees in a two-way exchange.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love is voluntary and can NEVER exist on a "one-way or one-sided" impersonal path, where a "one-sided affair" only allows a "none-contributing" stagnant version of so called "surrender" to Krsna (God).

This kind of impersonal "surrender" only "extinguishes" the jiva-soul's self expression,  individuality, free-will, and their ability to contribute or voluntarily provide individual offerings to Radha and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

From personal voluntarily "self chosen contributions" offered by the jiva-souls that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a two-way mystery of exchanges, that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions by the jiva-soul's expressions from their free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of reciprocation.

Genuine loving exchanges or service is ALWAYS a "two-way" street, it is NEVER a "one-way" or a one-sided affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutual loving respectful exchanges between two, is NOT love at all, it is cold impersonalism.

Loving service can only really exist when the conditioned jīva-souls are trained up to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotees, where they can express the full potential of their constitutional right as a "marginal living entity" who reciprocates fully with Kṛṣṇa in a two-way relationship loving exchanges.

Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in its natural "two-way" relationship based on reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

The jiva-souls in their original position and home in the spiritual world, have the same bodily features Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

1 - Sat - Eternal

2 - Cit - Have all knowledge

3 - Ananda - Always blissful

4 - Vigraha - ARE an eternal bodily form with no beginning point, and will NEVER cease to be.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsnas.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

A relationship "between two" can ONLY experience love, and that is why Kṛṣṇa gave the jīva-souls their freedom (free will) in the first place, so they can also voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna.

The full expression or potential of the individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual worlds where they can express their free will in full through voluntary acts of self expression, and NOT while restricted in a decaying material bodily vessel existing in one of the many temporary material worlds (within unlimited Brahmanda universes) in the material creation.

Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa is enriched and further enhanced by the jīva-soul’s personal unique loving voluntary contributions of unique service Prabhupāda taught us.

This means the relationship with Kṛṣṇa is NOT impersonal in anyway (a one-way or one-sided forceful dictatorship).

As said above, a "two-way" relationship based on voluntary offering of service, is the ONLY way to increase, enrich and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and the jīva-souls in a meaningful exchange of feelings.

Kṛṣṇa gave the jīva-souls their freedom (free will) for this purpose for establishing a "two-way" voluntary relationship, just so they can express THEIR personal unique loving feelings too, experienced differently by each individual jīva-soul in their unique relationship with Krsna.

The fact is, real freedom, or experiencing the full potential of one's (the jīva-souls) unique personality, is ONLY fully experienced in Goloka Vṛndāvana and Vaikuṇṭha, where NO jiva-soul is forced to do anything in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because ALL service on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana is voluntary.

The reason why the spiritual worlds are like this, is our loving relationship with Kṛṣṇa is NEVER founded on Him forcing His demands of obedience on the jiva-souls. Surrender to Visnu or Krsna is voluntary and never forced. The jiva-souls FIRST must first pray to Krsna (God) for the help to surrender to Him, but it always must be in a two-way loving expression.

A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, and to only just obey without being encouraged to make personal voluntary contributions (offerings) with intelligent inquiry, only makes the jiva-souls no better than dead stone.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The fact is, this kind mindless impersonal emotionless none contributing surrender to a so called God or Spiritual Master or teacher, without being encouraged to voluntary surrender, is dangerous selfish crazy "cult" mentality.

The jiva-souls MUST be encouraged and nurtured to ONLY participate in a "two-way" reciprocal relationship of respectful exchanges, where the devotee is always encouraged by the bonafide spiritual teacher for the disciple to come to the platform where their training allows them to voluntarily make their own personal contributions of THEIR choice to please Krsna.

Mindless surrender to a "one-sided" dictatorship is nonsense impersonalism and dangerous.

Such loveless impersonal dominant relationships, where the jīva-soul’s personality and character are artificially restricted and suppressed by always being told what to do without personal input, and being allowed to think for themselves, only extinguishes the jiva-soul's spiritual identity, individuality and personality (free will)

Such Mayavadi teachings of attempting to extinguish "free will" in the name of surrender is spiritual suicide!!

Under such impersonal conditions of being denied the spiritual right of self determination, the jiva-soul's natural constitution of self-expression, that allows them to choose for themselves what to contribution or offer to Kṛṣṇa, is replaced by a "one-way emotionless forceful demands" of being told what to do, what to offer and how to think.

No, the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are NOT loveless,  mindless and impersonal like that.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture on SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "With the (impersonalist) philosophy of oneness, how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa, is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Love or genuine selfless service is ALWAYS based on a "two-way" exchange of feelings, this means each jīva-soul provides their own individual contributions of personal inputs as an expression of their own independent individuality and free will.

Śrīla Prabhupāda - "Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Also free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)**

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Taṭastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their FALLEN conditioned state and is NOT in their original home in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana. .

The word "tatastha-sakti" refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their FALLEN conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant (inactive) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The "marginal living entities" ARE an unlimited collection of jiva-souls who have no beginning point or ending point to their existence. 

In other words, the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) were never created.

Those jiva-souls (less than 10%) who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later, due to the frustration of material life, enter an inactive dormant state within the Brahmajyoti (the impersonal aspect of Brahman). 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha-sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha "conditioned" characteristics, and the spiritual worlds are the "Personal" Krsna conscious characteristics." (New York, Dec 28, 1966)

In other words, tatastha-sakti is the "conditioned fallen designation" of the marginal living entity that describes those jiva-souls who have entered the material creation and later the impersonal "inactive" Brahmajyoti, but NOT those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

This is important to try and understand as the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) has many different names describing their position and condition, and tatastha-sakti is one of those names describing the jiva-souls conditioned state outside the spiritual world.

The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were NOT created from a "clear sheet of consciousness" either because they have ALWAYS existed.everywhere (sarva-gatah means life is everywhere)  

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20 (1983 corrected edition) confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created and have no origin-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2, Verse 12

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The jiva-souls may FALL to an "inactive" or dormant state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they certainly did NOT originate from there.

Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls as explained above, who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

In fact the fallen jiva-soul can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long a time that some foolishly believe it is where they originated from after emerging from there as also explained above.

It should be made clear the dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is NOT the origin of the jiva-soul, it is actually a fallen state.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate" from anywhere including the impersonal Brahmajyoti because they have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of the "marginal plane collective" of Krsna's energies that are individual souls spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (material and Spiritual Worlds).

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna has three main energies

1 - external energy (material energy) 

2 - internal energy (spiritual energy),

3 - marginal energy (jiva-souls).

The external energy is the material expansion manifestation. Similarly, there is internal energy, the spiritual world manifestation, and in between them there is another energy called marginal energy, that we are, we living entities. We are His marginal energy.

Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between." [BG 2.20] (Lecture on BG 9.4 - Melbourne, April 23, 1976)

This means the jiva-souls or marginal living entities (as eternal individual persons) are spread throughout the Spiritual Sky (both spiritual and material worlds) that includes the Vaikuntha planets, Goloka Vrindavana, the material creation and the dorment (inactive) impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are an unlimited number of individual PERSONS who are as follows-

sat,

chit,

ananda,

vigraha.

This means the individual jiva-souls are-

eternity,

Knowledge,

bliss,

Bodily form.

This ORIGINAL eternal form of the jiva-soul is a bodily form like Krsnas Prabhupada has said, two arms, two legs etc like Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

All of Krsna's marginal so called 'sparks' and so called 'atoms (souls) in the effulgence that impersonalists claim are bodiless and dormant, are in that conditioned state because they are FALLEN and have forgotten their original two armed spiritual bodily form in Goloka Vrindavana or four armed form on the Vaikuntha planets.

Only in the conditioned fallen state can the marginal living entity (jiva souls) merge into the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

As said above, the marginal living entities or jiva-souls are not called tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana as Prabhupada has explained.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this "material world" is the taṭastha (conditioned characteristics), and the "Spiritual Worlds" are the "Personal" (characteristics). So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned characteristics) and enter the permanent characteristics (Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana). That is called spiritual elevation." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Room Conversation Augu

 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. 

Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition". (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.

Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. 

So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.

Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. 

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. 

If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

The English word "generated" can be misleading if not properly understood because that word can mean a beginning point, or an origin point however, the jiva-souls have no origin or beginning point.

This is because they have always existed therefore the jiva-souls  were NEVER created as Bhagavad Gita teaches us. (BG 2.12)

"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain".

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their full potential are always a Spiritual bodily PERSON vigraha (form) first, but some time later, due to choice or fall down from the Vaikuntha, they eventually became a dormant (inactive) spark in the Brahmajyoti, or an almost dead motionless position in the material atom as Prabhupada has explained below.

This dormant almost dead condition of the jiva-soul in the atom was entered into after many, many, many lives of frustration trapped in the cycle of repeated birth and death in the material creation, explained to Tamal Krsna Maharaj.

God (Visnu) and the individual jiva-soul are always together even within the "atom"

Srila Prabhupada - "Just try to understand. From the sastra, you understand that andantara-stham: “God lives within the atom and when the God is there, the living entity is also there. This much you try to understand. Because God and living entity always remain together, as two friends. God is trying to save this fallen friend. That is the information from Upanisad. So when God is there in the atom, the living entity is also there". (Morning Walk, April 4, 1975, Mayapur) 

Tamal Krsna - "Srila Prabhupada, someone asked a question the other day about the atom which I couldn’t give the answer to. His question is that if we say that within the atom the living entity, the jiva, is present, and life symptoms means six symptoms of birth, growth"

Srila Prabhupada - "That’s all right. Their life symptoms has not yet come. But there is".

Jayadvaita - "Potential".

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes".

Tamal Krsna - "His question was, it was sort of a dual question. At what time, or what…? Just like at the time of disintegration of this body, the living entity leaves this body and the body disintegrates, so does the atomic body also disintegrate when the living entity leaves it and moves to a higher body?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Atomic body? Atomic body means material body. Unless you are free from this material body, the atomic body will go on with you. That means unless you are mukta, the atomic body will go on. Mind, intelligence, ego — they are also atomic, finer atomic body (subtle body)".

Tamal Krsna - "But within each atom the living entity is present?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. God is present; therefore living entity is present".

Tamal Krsna - "So the living entity is present within the atom just as I am present within this body. When I leave this body, my body breaks apart".

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, you leave this body, enter another body".

Tamal Krsna - "Right".

Srila Prabhupada - "By nature’s law".

Tamal Krsna - "And when I leave this body, the body breaks apart".

Srila Prabhupada - "Eh?"

Tamal Krsna - "When I leave this body, the body dis…"

Srila Prabhupada - "The body is already atomic combination".

Tamal Krsna - "Yes".

Srila Prabhupada - "So it remains atomic combination. You leave the body".

Tamal Krsna - "Yes. It remains…"

Srila Prabhupada - "You leave the house. That does not mean the house is finished".

Tamal Krsna - "Right, I can understand that".

Hamsaduta - "He’s asking that if the soul leaves the atomic particle, then does the particle break apart. Isn’t it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, no. You have not left atomic particle".

Tamal Krsna - "No, but you, you’re… I think you were saying that within the atom there’s also a living entity. So when that living entity leaves the atomic particle does the particle break apart? Or doesn’t it? I mean what…?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Just try to understand. From the sastra, you understand that andantara-stham: “God lives within the atom.”

Tamal Krsna - "Yes".

Srila Prabhupada - "And when the God is there, living entity’s also there. This… This much you try to understand. Because God and living entity, they remain together, as two friends. God is trying to save this fallen friend. That is the information from Upanisad. So when God is there, the living entity is also there". 

Rupanuga - "So Paramatma and jiva-soul are always together?". 

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes". 

Pancadravida - "The jivas inside the atom, are they like impersonalists who are in the Brahman?" 

Srila Prabhupada - "That you consider. He has not developed his consciousness. Practically, it is like dead". (Morning Walk April 4 1975, Mayapur)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

The use of this word "generated" really means the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are part and parcel in the category called the marginal energy or potency.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are a collective of an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who are eternal, meaning they have ALWAYS existed but, as said above, they are only called tatastha-sakti while "conditioned" in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti.

As said above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is NO origin of the jiva-souls, they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end.

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the Spiritual Worlds.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

This is why it is foolish and sad that big big sannyasi and gurus claim once entering the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-souls can never fall down again.

No, they CAN fall down again and again if choose to do so. 

And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will.

The fact is Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a "two-way" street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2, Verse 12-

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara - Henri Bergson)

So the proper understanding is the marginal living entities, energy or potency (jiva-souls) are known in the material conditioned state as "tatastha-sakti" but NOT referred to by that name in their original Spiritual bodily form (vigraha) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned characteristics), and the spiritual worlds are the "personal" (characteristics) (Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana). So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics and to enter the permanent characteristics (Vaikuntha). That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha-śakti. Just like in the seaside the shore, the beach, sometimes you see it is covered by water and sometimes it is land.

Similarly, when we are covered by māyā, that is our jīva-bhūta stage, and when there is no more covering, that is brahma-bhūta stage. 

When we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, then we are brahma-bhūta (SB 4.30.20), and when we are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, we are materially conscious, that is māyā." (Lecture on BG 7.4-5, Bombay, March 30, 1971)

So the conclusion is there are many categories of living entities from- 

Visnu-tattva, 

Visnu-sakti-tattva,

Siva-tattva, 

jiva-tattva (jiva-soul).

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Viṣṇu-tattva, "Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva", jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture on SB Canto 6 Ch 2.7  Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975)

And Visnu-sakti-tattvas IS the internal energy or potency of Kṛṣṇa headed by Srimati Radharani.

"Sakti" also means female which is the constitutional nature of all marginal living entities or jiva-souls. Krsna is male and all the jiva-souls are female.

ONLY the jiva-souls (marginal living entity) can fall down to the material world because they are endowed with independence and free will.

Many in other sangas cannot understand this, their understanding the jiva-souls originated from the impersonal Brahmajyoti is impersonalism because the "marginal living entities" (jiva-souls) originally came down from the personal pastimes on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, and NOT from the dormant impersonal Brahmajyoti as they foolishly believe.

The impersonal Brahmajyoti is already a fallen condition that the jiva-souls fall to.

HERE HERE HERE

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha-sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the "Personal" (Vaikuntha) characteristics" (New York, December 28, 1966)

In other words, tatastha-sakti is the "conditioned fallen designation" of the marginal living entity that describes those jiva-souls who have entered the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti, but NOT those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This is important to try and understand as the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) has many different names describing their position and condition, and tatastha-sakti is one of those names describing the jiva-souls conditioned state.

The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were NOT created from a nonsense "clear sheet of consciousness" either.  

This is because they have ALWAYS existed everywhere (sarva-gatah means life is everywhere) 

Bhagavad Gita Chapter 2 Text 12 confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created and have no origin-

"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain".

The jiva-souls may FALL to an "inactive" or dormant state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they certainly did NOT originate from there.

Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls as explained above, who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

In fact the fallen jiva-soul can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long a time that some foolishly believe it is where they originated from after emerging from there as also explained above.

It should be made clear the dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is NOT the origin of the jiva-soul, it is actually a fallen state.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from anywhere including the impersonal Brahmajyoti because they have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of the "marginal plane collective" of Krsna's energies that are individual souls spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (material and Spiritual Worlds).

The way the jiva-souls first entered the material creation is they came down from Vaikunthaloka or Goloka Vrindavana by choice (free will).

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.”(Original Hare Krsna "Happening record album" New York December 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father,  so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are Krsna's energy eternally and can never be the energetic (Krsna) or exist separately from Krsna.

All jiva-souls entered the material creation originally AFTER voluntary choosing to leave Vaikuntha.

Only after becoming frustrated with material existence do the jiva-souls try to escape by seeking shelter in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

So lets be very clear here, the jiva-souls do NOT originate from Maha-Visnu or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - ” Even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down to the material world.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha, because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sädhana-siddha, krpa-siddha-there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sadhana-siddha. (Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha". (Lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back to their original position. It is a difficult task'' (New York lecture on Caitanya-caritamrta, July 13, 1976)*^*.

 

Srimati Radharani's amazing beauty.

Sri Radha - Radharani - Radhika

"O Radharani, O Queen of Vrindavana, Your complexion is like molten gold, Your doe-like eyes are captivatingly restless, a million full and brilliant moons wane before Your lustrous countenance, and a blue sari, having stolen the hue of a fresh rain-laden cloud, has enwrapped Your exquisite form. 

O Radha, You are the crest-jewel of all the dallying damsels of Vrindavana, fragrant and pristine like a budding jasmine flower. 

Your sublime form is adorned with priceless jewelry, and you are the best of all the charming and intelligent gopis. 

You are decorated with all wonderful excellences and surrounded by eight dedicated and beloved cowherd girls known as the asta-sakhis.

"The ambrosia of Your beautiful lips, red as the bimba fruit, is life-giving syrup to Krsna. 

O Radha, I am rolling on the banks of the Yamuna, my poor heart filled with anticipation, praying to You with all humility. 

I am guilty of being an offender, a rascal, a useless wretch - yet I beg You to kindly engage me in even the smallest service to Your lotus feet. 

O most merciful Lady, it will not become You to ignore this most distressed soul, for Your heart is always overflowing with compassion and love." (Sri Prarthana-paddhati [Stavamala], Srila Rupa goswami)

Krsna praised Srimati Radharani:

"My dear Radha, Your curling locks of hair, long restless eyes, firm breasts, slender waist, shyly lowered head, creeper-like arms and jewel-like fingernails are all exquisitely beautiful. 

The jubilant festival of Your beauty makes the three worlds tremble in transcendental bliss".

"The beauty of Srimati Radharani’s eyes forcible devours the beauty of the newly grown blue lotus flower, and the beauty of Radha’s face surpasses that of an entire forest of fully blossomed lotuses. 

Radha’s bodily luster seems to place even gold in a painful situation. Thus the wonderful unprecedented beauty of Srimati Radharani is awakening in Vrindavana." (Vidagdha-madhava)

"Entwining this way and that with decorations of fresh forest flowers, and bound and tied up with jewel-threads; Adorned with jasmine garlands of exotic fragrance and hanging down very best of noble gemstones; Your hair style arranged by the hand of Hari, will I ever see it, Oh Radhe?"

"Teeth like rows of pearls and lovely lips like bimba berries; Thin waist, wide hips and a deep navel like a whirlpool of newer youth; This indescribable lover – the very heart of the cleverest maidens – May Radha protect us!"

"Oh moon-faced one! O doe-eyed one! O Goddess! Oh lovely-nosed one! O one with reddish lips! O sweet smiler! O Supreme Laksmi! O creeper-armed one! O lustrous one of conch shell-smooth neck! O one with plantain tree shaped thighs! Oh whose collection of lotus toenails brightly illuminates all directions! When, Oh Radhe, will You be worshipped by me?"

Radha's wonderful beauty

Srimati Radharani is fifteen years old and full of the luster of youth. Radha is expert in all the sixty-four fine arts and Her transcendental form is like an ocean of nectar. 

Radha’s splendid bodily luster is like molten gold or stationary lightning. 

Radha wears wonderfully beautiful blue garments, and She is decorated with various pearls and flowers. 

Gandharvika (Radha) is very beautiful, and has long, nicely braided hair. 

Radha’s splendid forehead is decorated with the red pigment, sindura, and with beautiful locks of curling hair.

Decorated with blue bangles, Sri Radha’s arms have defeated Cupid’s staff with their beauty. 

Decorated with black mascara, Radhika’s expanded lotus eyes are the most beautiful in all the three planetary systems.

Radhika’s nose if as beautiful as a sesame flower and the tip is nicely decorated with a pearl. 

Anointed with carious perfumes, Sri Radha is splendidly beautiful. 

Radha’s ears are decorated with wonderful earrings and Her nectarean lips defeat red lotus flowers. 

Srimati Radharani’s teeth are a row of pearls and Her tongue is very beautiful.

Decorated with a smile of pure love for Krsna, Radha’s beautiful face is as splendid as millions of moons. 

The beauty of Radhika’s chin has defeated and bewildered Cupid. Decorated with a drop of musk, Radha’s chin appears like a golden lotus flower with a bumblebee.

Bearing all the marks of wonderful beauty, Radha’s neck, back and sides are enchantingly gorgeous. 

Radhika’s breast is like splendid golden waterpots covered by a bodice decorated with a pearl necklace. 

Srimati Radharani’s beautiful enchanting arms are two red lotus flowers illuminated by the series of moons that are Her fingernails.

Jeweled rings decorate Radha’s splendidly beautiful fingers. Charming, full of sweet nectar, and decorated with a deep navel, Sri Radha’s beautiful waist enchants the three worlds. 

Radhika’s sloping hips lead to Her charmingly beautiful slender waist which is bound by a creeper of three beautiful folds of skin and decorated with a sash of tinkling bells.

As beautiful as two exquisite plantain trees, Sri Radha’s thighs enchant the mind of Cupid. 

Sri Radha’s beautiful knees are two reservoirs filled with the nectar of various transcendental pastimes. 

Radha’s beautiful feet are decorated with jeweled ankle-bells, and Her toes with toe rings as beautiful as the treasure of Varuna. (RKG)

Sri Radha’s Gold and Flower Ornaments

Srimati Radharani wears twelve different ornaments on Her transcendental form. 

These ornaments which include Radha’s crown, earrings, belt, ankle-bells, finger and toe rings, armlets, and jewel necklaces that look like strings of stars are all fashioned from pure gold; they appear like myriad shining suns. 

Sri Radha wears a locket containing a picture of Sri Krsna and a signet ring that is engraved with "Radha". Radha’s Syamantaka jewel is also known as Sankhacuda-siromani." (Sankhacuda’s crest jewel). 

Srimati Radhika’s ankle-bells stun Sri Krsna with their tinkling sounds.

Besides jewels and gold, Radha wears a variety of flower crowns, necklaces, armlets, sashes, earrings, bracelets, anklets and blouses. 

Radha taught Lalita-sakhi how to make these flower decorations, which Radharani prefers over the jeweled variety. 

Srimati Radhika’s favorite crown is made from flowers and buds of five colours arranged in five points. 

The gopis also artistically arrange flowers to create five different kinds of earrings; resembling objects like a peacock, lotus, shark or half-moon.

"The glaringly effulgent tiara’s shimmering halo; beautifully sports in all directs stretching to the horizon. Glistening, sleek armlets, bracelets and necklaces refract a collective, flickering of jewel-like coronas. 

Hip-spanning belt of softly tinkling bells. Anklets charming musical chimes embellishing the majesty of Her divine lotus feet. Oh, my dear mind! Just worship the effulgence known as ‘Radha."

Sri Radha - Radharani - Radhika

Srimati Radharani’s Clothing

Wearing light-colored clothes during the full moon and dark colours in the moon’s absence, Sri Radha dresses to please Her beloved Krsna, and to facilitate Her nightly meetings with Her gallant lover, Sri Syamasundara. 

Radha’s favourite outfit is a "Krsna-blue" sari and shawl matched with a pink blouse that delights Sri Krsna.

"Radharani’s upper garment is red like a ruby, and it is the favourite of Lord Hari. Radha’s lower garment is the color of a blue cloud, and it is Her favourite."

"Sri Krsna said to Sri Radha, all glories to Your wonderful ruby-red silk sari. O Radha, this sari has doubled the passionate love I bear for You in My heart."

Among Radha’s innumerable transcendental attributes,

She has twenty-five principal qualities

1) Radharani is very sweet and most charming to look at;

2) Radha is adolescent and always freshly youthful;

3) Radhika’s eyes are doe-like and restless;

4) Sri Radha’s face is smiling and every blissful’

5) Auspicious, beautiful lines adorn Sri Radha’s lotus hands and feet;

6) Radharani maddens Krishna with Her fragrant bodily aroma;

7) Srimati Radharani is the most exceptional singer and vina player;

8) Radha’s words are charming and pleasing;

9) Radha is expert at telling jokes that delight Krsna;

10) Srimati Radhika is exceptionally humble;

11) Radha is the embodiment of mercy and compassion;

12) Sri Radha’s intelligence and wit surpasses all;

13) Radharani is expert at performing all activities of love:

14) Shyness is the shining gem in Radha’s character’

15) Srimati Radharani isn't the vthe beacon light of modesty and never swerves from the path of honesty;

16) radha is never perturbed by worldly sorrow or misery;

17) Sri radha has unbounded gravity and sublimity;

18) Radhika is ever fascinated to unite Herself with Krsna;

19) Radha possesses Mahabhava, the highest sentiments of love;

20) Radharani is the reservoir of loving affairs in Gokula;

21) Radha’s transcendental glories are shining in all the worlds;

22) Sri Radha is most affectionate to her superiors;

23) Radhika is submissive to the love of Her senior girlfriends;

24) Radharani is the chief among Krsna's gopi lovers;

25) Radha always keeps Sri Krsna under Her control. Krsna submissively obeys Radha’s command.

Sri Radha - Radharani - Radhika

“Srimati Radharani always keeps Her hand on the shoulders of Her friends and Radha always talks and thinks of the pastimes of Krsna. 

Radharani forever offers Krsna a kind of intoxication by Her sweet talks. Sri radha supplies all the demands of Krsna, and Radharani possesses unique and uncommon qualities meant for Krsna’s satisfaction. 

Srimati Radhika is able to fulfill all the desires of Krsna. No one else can do so. 

Radha is so expert in all affairs that the damsels of Vraja come to learn the arts from her." ("Teachings of Lord Caitanya"[TLC] Chap.31)