Srimati Radharani's position as the Queen of Vrindavana.

All living entities are sakti-tattva (included in all the living and non-living energies of Krsna) however, there are different categories. 

To start with, basically there are only two types of living entities, Visnu-tattva, who has 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities, which is 93.75%, and jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) who have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities, which is 78.125%. 

Srila Prabhupada – “In the Padma Purana, wherein it is said that there are two kinds of spiritual entities; one is called the jiva (jiva-tattva or jiva-souls), and the other is called the Supreme Lord (Visnu-tattva)." (87th Ch of Krsna Book, Prayers by the Personified Vedas)

There is also Siva-tattva however, he is neither Visnu-tattva (God) or jiva-tattva (jiva-soul). He is in a league  of his own and has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 85.938% of Krsna's attributes.

Srimati Radharani's position is always difficult to understand because Radharani is in her own unique mysterious category always fully absorb in thinking of Kṛṣṇa. 

To experience the loving affection of a woman, Krsna divided Himself into two and became "Radha and Krsna" the Divine Couple. 

Radharani represents Krsna's internal "sakti" potency or energy and is non-different from Krsna. 

Srimati Radharani is the internal energy, the jiva-souls are the marginal energy.

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati - Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Radharani is NOT jiva-tattva (jiva-soul), therefore, going by the above quote from Padma Purāṇa, Radharani is no different from Krsna and is Visnu-tattva, she is no different than Kṛṣṇa created by Him so He could experience loving reciprocal exchanges and emotions with a women.

In vaniquotes it is explained that Radharani represents Krsna's internal energy or potency and is in the combination called "Visnu-sakti-tattva." 

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva, 

2 - Viṣṇu-"śakti"-tattva,

3 - jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture on SB 6.2.7 - Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975)

These three words visnu-"sakti," tattva" refers to Radharani being simultaneously Krsna's internal energy (sakti) and Krsna's direct expansion (Visnu-tattva). And furthermore, when Krsna and Radharani combine in the one Body, that one Body is Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

As said above, "sakti" means the different categories of "energies" of Krsna, the variety of living entities and non-living (matter) as Srila Prabhupada explains. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "Sakti means “energy.” There are many types of energies of the Supreme Lord, and all of them are auspicious. Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara are called guṇa-avatāras, or incarnations of material qualities. 

In the material world we compare these different incarnations from different angles of vision, but since all of them are expansions of the supreme auspicious, all of them are auspicious, although sometimes we consider one quality of nature to be higher or lower than another. The mode of ignorance, or tamo-guṇa, is considered very much lower than the others, but in the higher sense it is also auspicious. 

The example may be given herein that the government has both an educational department and criminal department. An outsider may consider the criminal department inauspicious, but from the government’s point of view it is as important as the education department, and therefore the government finances both departments equally, without discrimination." (SB Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Viṣṇu-tattva, Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva, jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture on SB 6.2.7 - Vrndavana, Sept 10, 1975)

As said above, "Sakti" means the different categories of "energies" of Krsna, living and non-living (matter) as Srila Prabhupada explains. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "Sakti means “energy.” There are many types of energies of the Supreme Lord, and all of them are auspicious. Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara are called guṇa-avatāras, or incarnations of material qualities. In the material world we compare these different incarnations from different angles of vision, but since all of them are expansions of the supreme auspicious, all of them are auspicious, although sometimes we consider one quality of nature to be higher or lower than another. The mode of ignorance, or tamo-guṇa, is considered very much lower than the others, but in the higher sense it is also auspicious. The example may be given herein that the government has both an educational department and criminal department. An outsider may consider the criminal department inauspicious, but from the government’s point of view it is as important as the education department, and therefore the government finances both departments equally, without discrimination." (SB Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Everyone is trying to love Krsna, but Krsna is trying to love somebody. Now how great She is. Just try to understand. Everyone, the whole world, the whole universe, all living entities, they are trying to love Krsna, krsna-prema. 

Lord Caitanya describes, prema-pumartho mahan. And Rupa Gosvami described that ‘You are distributing krsna-prema.’ So krsna-prema is so valuable, but Krsna is after Radharani. Just see how Radharani is great. Just try to understand the greatness of Radharani. Therefore She is so great, and we have to offer our respect." (Lecture, Aug 30, 1968)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Without energy, there is no meaning to the energetic, and without the energetic there is no meaning to the energy. Similarly, without Radha there is no meaning to Krsna and without Krsna there is no meaning to Radha. Because of this, the Vaisnava philosophy first of all pays obeisances to and worships the internal pleasure potency of the Supreme Lord. Thus the Lord and His potency are always referred to as Radha-Krsna." (CC, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupāda  - “Lord Krsna’s Pleasure Potency is called Hladini, so this spiritual energy of Krsna’s pleasure potency, Hladini, is Srimati Radharani Who is always increasing the transcendental pleasure of Krsna by Her super-excellent loving devotional service.” (Letter, March 29, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is the energetic, and Radharani is the energy. Just like energy and energetic, you cannot separate. Fire and the heat you cannot separate. Wherever there is fire there is heat, and wherever there is heat there is fire. Similarly, wherever there is Krsna there is Radha. And wherever there is Radha there is Krsna. They are inseparable." (Lecture, Aug 30, 1968).*×*.

"Sakti" means different categories of Krsna's "energies."

Sakti-tattva referes to all of Krsna's energies however, there are different categories of living and non-living sakti. 

For example, the Visnu-"sakti"-tattva living entities are a category of Visnu-tattva expansions, who are "Krsna" playing multiple roles in His own pastimes. And so are Visnu/Narayana on the Vaikuntha planets in the spiritual world.

Then you have Visnu-tattva expansions of Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Paramatma (Supersoul) managing the material world.

Also, the material energy (mahat-tattva) is the sakti of Kṛṣṇa 

Sakti can also refere to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) like us who are independent expansions of Krsna endowed with free will in the spiritual world and have their own individuality, unique personality and a separate identity from Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva, 

2 - Viṣṇu-"śakti"-tattva,

3 - jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 2 Text 7, Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975)

As said above, "sakti" is the different categories of Krsna's energies, the living entities and non-living (matter) as Srila Prabhupada explains. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "Sakti means “energy.” There are many types of energies of the Supreme Lord, and all of them are auspicious. Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara are called guṇa-avatāras, or incarnations of material qualities. In the material world we compare these different incarnations from different angles of vision, but since all of them are expansions of the supreme auspicious, all of them are auspicious, although sometimes we consider one quality of nature to be higher or lower than another. The mode of ignorance, or tamo-guṇa, is considered very much lower than the others, but in the higher sense it is also auspicious. The example may be given herein that the government has both an educational department and criminal department. An outsider may consider the criminal department inauspicious, but from the government’s point of view it is as important as the education department, and therefore the government finances both departments equally, without discrimination." (SB Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43 Purport)

Within Puranic literatures and general Vaiśnava philosophy the word tattva is often used to denote certain categories or types of being or energies such as-

Kṛṣṇa-tattva.

The Supreme personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. Meaning the causative factor of everything including other Tattvas.

Viśnu-tattva.

Any incarnation or direct expansion of Śrī Kṛṣṇa who have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities, which means they have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Śakti-Tattva. 

The multifarious energies of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. It includes his internal potency, Yoga Maya and prakṛti (material energy)

Yogamaya.

Yogamāyā means that which connects you. Yogamāyā, the original yogamāyā, is Kṛṣṇa's internal potency who is Srimati Rādhārāṇī.

Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls)

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, which means they have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Srimati Radharani is the internal energy, we are marginal energy (jiva-souls)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy (jiva-souls). Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass, USA 25 April, 1969)

Śiva-tattva (Lord Siva)

Śiva is not considered to be jiva-tattva or Visnu-tattva, and is in a league of his own who has 85.938% of Krsna's qualities, which is having 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Mahat-tattva.

The total material energy (prakṛti)

Devotee - "In the material world, we are bound by māyā, mahā-māyā. In the spiritual world, is there another relationship with yogamāyā?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, Yogamāyā"

Devotee - "Could you explain a little bit about that?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yogamāyā means it is Kṛṣṇa's exhibition of māyā, but maya in the material world it is temporary. In the spiritual world, that is also exhibition of Kṛṣṇa's māyā, but it is permanent. Here in the material world mahamaya is also a perverted reflection, we say. 

Just like a shadow, the shadow of the tree in the water, everything is perverted, opposite. So that shadow is not the substance. The substance is there. On the bank of the river, that is reality. Similarly the spiritual world is there also, everything is there. There are trees, there are fruits, there are flowers, there are men—everything is there, birds, beasts, everything. But they are all real and permanent. 

Here, bahu-rūpa. Bahu-rūpa means, "it is not reality." That, this bahu-rūpa is also reflection, but it is not real. That is the difference. Ivābhāti, therefore it is called ivābhāti - It appears like that, actually it is not." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 9 Text 2, Melb, Australia April 4, 1972)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa - "Srila Prabhupada the devotees want to know how we may recognize yogamāyā, how we may know."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yogamāyā? Yogamāyā means that which connects you. Yoga means connection. 

1 - Yogamaya - When you gradually advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is the action of yogamāyā. 

2 - Mahamaya - When you are gradually forgetting Kṛṣṇa, that is the action of mahāmāyā. 

Māyā is acting upon you. The one is dragging you down (Mahamaya), and one is pushing or dragging you up (Yogamāyā) So, just like the example, that you are always under the laws of government. You cannot deny. If you say, "I don't agree to abide by the laws of government," that is not possible. But when you are a criminal, you are under the police laws, and when you are gentleman, you are under the civil laws. 

The laws are there. In any situation, you have to obey the laws of government. If you remain as a civilized citizen, then you are always protected by the civil law. But as soon as you are against the state, the criminal law will act upon you. So the criminal activities of law is mahāmāyā, threefold miseries, always. Always putting in some sort of misery. And the civil department of Kṛṣṇa, ānandāmbudhi vardhanam. You simply go on increasing the, I mean to say, depth of the ocean of joy.

Ānandambudhi-vardhana. That is the difference, yogamāyā and mahāmāyā. The original yogamāyā is Kṛṣṇa's internal potency. That is Rādhārāṇī." (Seattle, USA Oct 18, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions-

Question 1 - "Are great sages put under yogamaya or maya?"

Question 2 - "Are all the eternally liberated souls under yogamaya?" 

Answer, 1 - Yogamaya means the mercy of the Supreme Lord which connects a devotee in the transcendental loving service of the Lord.

Answer, 2 - Mahamaya means the external potency of the Lord which puts a conditioned jiva-soul into illusion that he will be happy by material adjustment. So great sages who are impersonalists are also under the spell of mahamaya, because a conditioned jiva-soul in the material world wants to improve his material position as exalted as possible, and the concept of becoming one with the Supreme Lord is the greatest illusion for them. 

Because it is a fact that nobody can be equal or greater than the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such, anyone desiring to become one with the Supreme means that he is still in the trap of maya. On the other hand, a humble devotee who may not be a great sage, but simply by his implicit acceptance of the Lotus Feet of the Lord as the goal of his life means that he is under the protection of yogamaya." (Letter to Aniruddha, Los Angeles 14 Nov, 1968)

Loving devotional service to Krsna is ALWAYS based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings, manifesting in "simplistic" loving acts of reciprocation between Krsna and His devotees, where His devotees voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotion to Him. 

This is the real meaning of surrendering to Krsna's will that NEVER denies the "free will" (freedom of individual expression) of each jiva-soul.

So there are different categories of sakti-tattva among the category of "living entities."

So yes, we are the jiva-tattva souls known as the marginal living entities who have our own independence and free will, yet simultaneously ALWAYS dependent on Visnu in Vaikuntha and Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavana, or Maha-Visnu in the material creation.

While other living entities are more direct expansions of Krsna called Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions.

Then there is Siva-tattva who is neither a jiva-tattva soul, Visnu-tattva or Visnu-sakti-tattva. As said above, Lord Siva is in a league of his own.

The Visnu-sakti-tattva and Visnu-tattva expansions are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes, whereas the jiva-tattvas are independent thinking living entities endowed with free will in the spiritual worlds who have their own personality, sense of self and unique individuality as explained above.

The majority, over 90%, of jiva-souls are perpetually situated in either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and choose to NEVER fall down to the material mundane temporary creation.

Where as the Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva Personalities are eternal inhabitants of Vrindavana who NEVER fall down, or choose to forget Krsna because they ARE Krsna playing a different role in His own eternal pastimes and affairs.

THEY are direct expansions of Krsna Himself and are permanently part of His internal energies or potency that ARE all direct and full expansions of Krsna as varied Personalities.

For example, the Pancha-tattva are a combination of Visnu-sakti-tattva, Visnu-tattva, Siva-tattva and jiva-tattva Personalities with only one being jiva-tattva (Srivasa)

1 - Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Krsna Himself, The Supreme Person (Svayam Bhagavan).

2  - Nityananda is Krsna's first personal expansion with the combined power of Balarama

3 - Advaita Acharya is the combined power of Lord Visnu and Lord Siva (Harihara).

4 - Gadadhara Krsna's internal energy Srimati Radharani Herself who is none different from Krsna.

5 - Srivasa is Krsna's jiva-tattva pure devotee and symbolizes devotion.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Śrī Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Śrī Gadādhara, and Śrīvās. 

Śrīvās is jīva-soul (marginal living entity). The jīva-tattva (jiva-soul), śakti-tattva, viṣṇu-tattva, these are all tattvas. So Pañca-tattva. Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is the supreme tattva, Kṛṣṇa. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya, rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. We are worshipping Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combined." (Lecture CC Adi-lila 7.5, Mayapur, March 7, 1974)

The correct understanding is that ALL the different grades of Krsna’s living energies (living and none living) are under the broad category of sakti-tattva that means "the energies of Krsna.

Sakti-tattva (energies of Krsna) also includes ALL expansions of Krsna living and non-living-

1 - Visnu-tattva,

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva,

3 - Siva-tattva,

4 - Jiva-tattva (marginal living entities (jiva-souls) endowed with free will).

5 - Maha-tattva (matter)

Visnu-tattva (1) and Visnu-sakti-tattva (2) are direct expansions of Krsna who are Krsna Himself playing a different roles in His own pastimes, having 60 of Krsna's 64 attributes which is 93.75% of Krsna's qualities.

Where as Siva-tattva and jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) are NOT Krsna. Siva and the jiva-souls have their his own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality as said above.

And each individual jiva-tattva soul ALWAYS have their own unique personality, character and independence separate from Krsna's Personality and Identity,  but simultaneously dependant of Krsna's energies because Krsna IS the cause of all causes.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are Viṣṇu-tattva, Jīva-tattva and Sakti-tattva. Viṣṇu-tattva is the Supreme Absolute Truth, jīva-tattva is part and parcel, and Sakti-tattva is the energy of God." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 5 Text 15, New Vrindaban, June 19, 1969)

The Visnu-sakti-tattvas and Visnu-tattvas have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities, which meansvthey have 60 of Krsna's 64 attributes.

The jiva-tattva (jiva-souls or marginal living entities) as said above, are independent expansions of Krsna endowed with "free will" and have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, which is having 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes.

Because of free will the jiva-souls have their own separate identity, individuality, personality and character that allows each jiva-soul to have their own unique way of expressing themselves separate from Krsna, yet simultaneously ALWAYS dependent on Krsna.

This means the jiva-souls do NOT share Krsna's personality like the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva Forms do because the jiva-souls are NOT God (Krsna), as said above, each have their own unique independent personality separate from Krsna's and Visnu's Personalities, that allows them to express themselves in their own unique way, and voluntarily make their own contributions and offerings.

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls). Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass, USA 25 April, 1969)

Visnu-"sakti"-tattva expansions of Krsna on the other hand, are eternally engaged in their service to the Lord because such expansions have only the desire to please Krsna or Visnu, and can NEVER be covered by Maya because they ARE Krsna playing a different role within His own pastimes.

Unlike the jiva-souls who have their own free will and separate identity with their own personality and an independent sense of self.

Therefore obviously the Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-sakti-tattva's concept of free will and independence is only to please Krsna or Visnu BECAUSE they ARE direct expansions of Krsna.

As said above, Visnu-tattvas are direct expansions of Krsna and Visnu-sakti-tattva are often expansions in cognito playing a different role in Krsna's pastimes.

This is important to understand, and explains why Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattvas living entities can NEVER fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

Many living entities in the spiritual worlds are Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions expansions of Krsna playing many different roles.

Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are made up of many Visnu-sakti-tattvas servants who appear as ordinary inhabitants of Vrindavana all playing different roles, such as gopis, gopas and many, many others there.

There are also unlimited jiva-tattvas in the spiritual worlds playing many different roles in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrndavana as well, as servants and friend of the Krsna.

Some roles in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are very difficult to know if the pastimes are played out by a Visnu-sakti-tattva, Visnu-tattva or Jiva-tattva entities.

Visnu-tattvas ARE Krsna's direct stand-out expansions such as Balarāma, Narayana, Visnu, Ramachandra, Narsinga deva etc, but there are other expansions too who maybe just simple cowherd boys (gopas) or gopis (women).

In Goloka-Vrindavana no one knows or cares who is who, if  Krsna is God or not, who is jiva-tattva (jiva-soul) or who is Visnu-tattva playing as an ordinary boy or girl?

In fact, the inhabitants of Vrindavana do not even know this little boy Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the cause of ALL causes, nor do they care.

As already explained, Visnu-sakti-tattva and Visnu-tattva expansions can never fall down because they ARE Krsna playing another role and in His own pastimes, and may not even outwardly show they are Visnu-tattva or Visnu-sakti-tattvas in the play they are in.

And yes, in some Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattvas roles, the Lord outwardly seems to forget they are Krsna's expansion in that role (play) or pastime they are in.

After all, Krsna can do ANYTHING He likes, He is not bound by even His own rules.

Krsna is the infinitely ORIGINAL Form of God from whom ALL His Visnu/Narayana and Visnu-tattva (jiva-souls) forms expand from, who are unlimited.

The only difference between Srimati Radharani, Lord Balarama and Krsna, is Lord Krsna IS the INFINITE Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes without a beginning and will never end.

Krsna ALWAYS has 4 MORE qualities or attributes than both Radharani (Visnu-sakti-tattva expansion) and Balarama (Visnu-tattva expansion) who only partly exhibit those qualities, yet both ARE none different than Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

However, because they are not the original (first) form of God with ALWAYS the full 64 qualities, then not even Srimati Radharani, Krsna's eternal consort, or Balarama, Krsna's older brother are equal to Krsna in that sense because both originated from Krsna and Krsna is the first.

But only in that sense, in all other ways they ARE equal to Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the category of Visnu-tattva there is no loss of power from one expansion to the next, any more than there is a loss of illumination as one candle kindles another. Thousands may be kindled by an original candle, and all will have the same candle power. In this way it is to be understood that although all the Visnu-tattvas, from Krsna and Lord Caitanya to Rama, Narasimha, Varaha, and so on." (Adi 3.71, Purport)

One different is the original Kṛṣṇa never kills demons because He never leaves Vṛndāvana whereas Balarama already an expansion of Krsna does leave the spiritual world Vrindavana and enters the the facsimile Vrindavana in the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Viṣṇu tattva, Viṣṇu śakti tattva, jīva-tattva like that." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 2 Text 7, Sept 10, 1975)

Lord Krsna always has 64 qualities which is 100% of His own unique attributes.

1 - Visnu-tattva has 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities (the full 100%) which is 93.75%

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva also has 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities (the full 100%) which is 93.75%

3 - Siva-tattva has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 85.938% of Krsna's full qualities.

4 - Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 78.125% of Krsna’s full qualities. The jiva-souls who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, can NEVER become Visnu-sakti-tattva or Visnu-tattvas 93.75% they have of Krsna's qualities, or Siva-tattva, who has 85.938% of Krsna’s 64 qualities, which is 55 qualities of Krsna's 64 attributes.

And the jiva-tattva souls can never lose their separate individual unique personality, "free will or independence" that they have eternally (given by Krsna)

All living entities are "sakti-tattva" because they are expansions of Krsna and are part of His energy (Sakti). 

This means they are simultaneously fully dependent on Krsna and independent from Krsna (meaning personality) just like the sun-rays are fully dependent on the Sun-disc.

The sun-rays emanate from the Sun-disc and depend on the Sun-disc for their existence.

The Sun-disc has no meaning without the sun-rays, and the sun-rays have no meaning without the Sun-disc.

Similarly as explained in "Nectar of Devotion" the living entities mentioned above have no meaning without Krsna, and Krsna has no meaning without the living entities.

Being part and parcel of the Lord, as explained above, the marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) ALWAYS have "their own"  independence, personality and sense of self separate from Krsna's Personality, making them an independent free thinking individual that expresses their own unique character serving Krsna in a "two-way" exchange of mutual respect.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kṛṣṇa the maintainer of all and cause of all causes. We are "separate and none separate" from Krsna simultaneously. There are many tattvas, such as viṣṇu-tattva, jīva-tattva and śakti-tattva, but above everything is the viṣṇu-tattva, which is all-pervading. 

This all-pervading feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is explained in Bhagavad-gītā (10.42), wherein the Lord says-

"But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe."

Thus Kṛṣṇa says that the entire material world is maintained by His partial representation as Paramātmā. 

The Lord enters every universe as Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu and then expands Himself as Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu (Paramatma) to enter the hearts of all living entities and even enter the atoms.

Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham (Bs. 5.35). Every universe is full of atoms, and the Lord is not only within the universe but also within the atoms. Thus within every atom the Supreme Lord exists in His Viṣṇu feature as Paramātmā, but all the Viṣṇu-tattvas emanate from Kṛṣṇa.

As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (10.2)-

aham ādir hi devānām -

Kṛṣṇa is the ādi, or beginning, of the devas of this material world—Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara. Therefore He is described here as bhagavate bṛhate." (SB Canto 8 Ch 3 text 17)

The jiva-soul has 78.125% of Krsna's qualities and are called the ''marginal energy or marginal living entities."

The jiva-souls are different living entities from the more direct expansions of Krsna who are the Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas and Visnu tattvas however, all can play the part of gopi and cowherd boy in Krsna lila. Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana have so many expansions of Krsna that it is mind boggling.

As said above, the individual more independent jiva-souls can also play the role of a gopa (cowherd boy) or gopi (cowherd girl) just like a Visnu-sakti-tattva and Visnu-tattva direct expansions of Krsna do however, the jiva-souls can NEVER become Visnu-"sakti"-tattva or Visnu-tattva. This is because the Visnu-sakti-tattva and Visnu-tattva ARE Krsna Himself who can expand as multiple personalities playing different roles in His own pastimes.

The jiva-souls ALWAYS have the ability to make their own choices of how to serve the Lord in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavan as themselves (their spiritual identity svarupa) or not serve the Lord if they choose.

And can also play other roles including Brahma in the material creation too.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) ALWAYS remain jiva-soul with ONLY 78.125% of Krsna’s 100% qualities, and can NEVER become God, whom are Visnu-tattva or Visnu- sakti-tattva, or even Siva who is in a leag?ue of his own being neither Visnu-tattva or Jiva-tattva.

The jiva-tattvas, unlike Visnu-sakti-tattva and Visnu-tattvas, can 'choose' to forget Krsna if they desire and therefore enter the material creation of Maha-Visnu and foolishly think they are an independent god.

The Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-sakti-tattva ARE direct expansion of Krsna who only act out the will of Krsna because they ARE an expansion of Krsna's Identity. 

Krsna actually plays out different roles, like Maha-Visnu and Garbhodakashayi Visnu who create and manage the material creation on behalf of Krsna.

Our eternal constitution position and eternal spiritual body is in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana situated in the "eternal presence" of the spiritual world.

We just have to wake up from this temporary material dream and return back home back to Godhead, our real home.

Just like Jaya and Vijaya's eternal position as gatekeepers of Vaikuntha is always there waiting for their return from falling down into the material creation.*×..×*.

What is Krsna's internal energy or potency? What is the position of Srimati Radharani, and what is the meaning of the word "sakti?"

Srila Prabhupāda  - "Without energy, there is no meaning to the energetic, and without the energetic there is no meaning to the energy. Similarly, without Radha there is no meaning to Krsna, and without Krsna there is no meaning to Radha. 

Because of this, the Vaisnava philosophy first of all pays obeisances to and worships the internal pleasure potency of the Supreme Lord. Thus the Lord and His potency are always referred to as "Radha-Krsna." 

Similarly those who worship Narayana first utter the name of Laksmi, as Laksmi-Narayana. Similarly those who worship Lord Rama first utter the name of Sita. In any case — Sita-Rama, Radha-Krsna, Laksmi-Narayana– the potency always comes first.” (CC, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupāda  - “Lord Krsna’s Pleasure Potency is called Hladini, so this spiritual energy of Krsna’s pleasure potency, Hladini, is Srimati Radharani Who is always increasing the transcendental pleasure of Krsna by Her super-excellent loving devotional service.” (Letter, March 29, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “Krsna is the energetic, and Radharani is the energy. Just like energy and energetic, you cannot separate. Fire and the heat you cannot separate. Wherever there is fire there is heat, and wherever there is heat there is fire. Similarly, wherever there is Krsna there is Radha. And wherever there is Radha there is Krsna. They are inseparable.” (Lecture, Aug 30, 1968)

Srimati Radharani's position is always difficult to understand.

All individual entities (anti-matter) and none-living entities (matter) are sakti-tattva however, there are also different categories of sakti-tattva. 

Basically there are only two types of individual living entities (anti-matter) Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva (jiva-souls)  

Visnu-tattva have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities, which is 93.75% of His over all qualities.

Jiva-tattva (individual jiva-souls) have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities, which is 78.125% of His over all qualities.

Srila Prabhupada – “In the Padma Purana, wherein it is said that there are two kinds of spiritual entities; one is called the jiva (jiva-tattva or jiva-souls), and the other is called the Supreme Lord (Visnu-tattva)." (87th Chapter of Krsna Book, Prayers by the Personified Vedas)

There is also Siva-tattva however, he is neither Visnu-tattva (God) or jiva-tattva (individual jiva-soul), Siva is mysteriously in the middle of the two. 

Lord Siva has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is exactly 85.938% of Krsna's over all qualities.

Srimati Radharani's position is always difficult to understand because Her unique sakti, unlike the other categories of sakti, represents Krsna's internal energy. 

Srimati Radharani is Kṛṣṇa's "internal energy," where as the individual jiva-souls are Krsna's "marginal living energy."

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati - Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Radharani is not jiva-tattva (jiva-soul), She is non-different than Kṛṣṇa, therefore, going by the above quote from Padma Purāṇa, Radarani is Visnu-tattva (God).

Srimati Radharani is no different than Kṛṣṇa, created by Him so He could experience loving reciprocal exchanges and emotions with a women.

In Srimad Bhagavatam it is explained that Radharani represents Krsna's internal energy or potency and Her category of sakti is known as "Sakti-Visnu-tattva." 

These three words "sakti, Visnu, tattva" refers to Radharani being simultaneously Krsna's internal energy (sakti) and Krsna's direct expansion (Visnu-tattva). 

Furthermore, when Krsna and Radharani combine in the one spiritual Body, that Body is Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Viṣṇu-tattva, Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva, jīva-tattva (jiva-souls), like that." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 2 text 7, Vrndavana, Sept 10, 1975)

As said above, "sakti" means the different categories of Krsna's "energies," both living (anti-matter) and non-living (matter) as Srila Prabhupada explains. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "Sakti includes all the different categories of Krsna's  energy. There are many types of energies of the Supreme Lord, and all of them are auspicious. Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara (Siva) are called guṇa-avatāras, or incarnations of material qualities. 

In the material world we compare these different incarnations from different angles of vision, but since all of them are expansions of the supreme auspicious, all of them are auspicious, although sometimes we consider one quality of nature to be higher or lower than another. 

The mode of ignorance, or tamo-guṇa, is considered very much lower than the others, but in the higher sense it is also auspicious. The example may be given herein that the government has both an educational department and criminal department. 

An outsider may consider the criminal department inauspicious, but from the government’s point of view it is as important as the education department, and therefore the government finances both departments equally, without discrimination." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43 Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "The beauty of Srimati Radharani is described as follows: ‘Her eyes defeat the attractive features of the eyes of the cakori bird. When one sees the face of Radharani, he immediately hates the beauty of the moon. Her bodily complexion defeats the beauty of gold. Thus, let us all look upon the transcendental beauty of Srimati Radharani." (Nectar of Devotion, Ch 44)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "In Vrindavana all the pure devotees pray for the mercy of Srimati Radharani, the pleasure potency of Lord Krsna. 

Srimati Radharani is a tenderhearted feminine counterpart of the supreme whole, resembling the perfectional stage of the worldly feminine nature. Therefore, the mercy of Radharani is available very readily to the sincere devotees, and once She recommends such a devotee to Lord Krsna, the Lord at once accepts the devotee’s admittance into His association. 

The conclusion is, therefore, that one should be more serious about seeking the mercy of the devotee than that of the Lord directly, and by one’s doing so (by the good will of the devotee) the natural attraction for the service of the Lord will be revived." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 3l text 23, Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "You’ll find in Vrindavan, if you go to Vrindavan, everyone is worshiping Radharani. Rani means queen. They are always speaking, ‘Jaya Radhe!’ Radharani. All the devotees in Vrindavan, they are worshiper of Radharani. 

Hari-niskuta-vrnda-vipinese. Vrsabhanu-dadhi-nava-sasi-lekhe. 

And She appeared as the daughter of King Vrsabhanu, and Her companion, Lalita-sakhi and Visakha-sakhi, and the devotees. So, on behalf of the pure devotees of Krsna, Rupa Gosvami is praying, karunam kuru mayi karuna-bharite. 

"Oh, my worshipable Radharani, You are full of mercy. So I am begging of Your mercy because You are so merciful, very easily You offer, bestow Your mercy. So I am begging Your mercy." (Lecture, Aug 30, 1968)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "There is a supreme symptom of ecstatic love which is called maha-bhava. This mahabhava expression was possible only in Radharani, but later on when Sri Krsna Caitanya appeared to feel the mode of love of Radharani, He also expressed all the symptoms of maha-bhava. 

Sri Rupa Gosvami says in this connection that when the symptoms of ecstatic love become the most bright, that stage is accepted as mahabhava." (Nectar of Devotion, Ch 28)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "Yes, you are certainly right when you say Radharani cooks prasadam for Lord Krsna. Whenever He returns in the evening from herding cows with His cowherd boy friends, Radharani has a nice preparation waiting for Lord Krsna." (Letter, Aug 5, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "Krsna likes Radharani. Therefore all the gopis, they are trying to push Radharani to Krsna. ‘Krsna likes this gopi. All right, push Her.’ That is Krsna consciousness. To satisfy the senses of Krsna, not to satisfy my senses. That is bhakti. That is called prema, love for Krsna. ‘Ah, Krsna likes this. I must give Him this." (Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers, Ch 6)

Srila Prabhupāda  - "The beauty of Srimati Radharani’s eyes forcibly devours the beauty of newly grown blue lotus flowers, and the beauty of Her face surpasses that of an entire forest of fully blossomed lotuses. Her bodily luster seems to place even gold into a painful situation. Thus the wonderful, unprecedented beauty of Srimati Radharani is awakening in Vrindavana." (CC, Antya 1.169)

Srila Prabhupada - "Sri Krsna continued: ‘All the inhabitants of Vrindavana-dhama — My mother, father, cowherd boy friends and everything else — are like My life and soul. And among all the inhabitants of Vrindavana, the gopis are My very life and soul. Among the gopis, You, Srimati Radharani, are the chief. Therefore You are the very life of My life." (CC, Madhya 13.150)

Srila Prabhupada - "In Radharani is found the science of ujjala, or the brightest jewel of love of God." (Krsna Book, Ch 47)

Srila Prabhupada - "Among all the gopis, Srimati Radharani is the most exalted. She is the most beautiful, the most qualified and, above all, the greatest lover of Krsna." (CC Adi 4.214, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Radharani is the best, topmost servitor of Krsna, and the printing machine is the biggest medium at the present moment for serving Krsna. Therefore it is really a representative of Srimati Radharani." (Letter, Aug 13, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna, everyone is trying to love Krsna, but Krsna is trying to love somebody. Now how great She is. Just try to understand. Everyone, the whole world, the whole universe, all living entities, they are trying to love Krsna, krsna-prema. 

Lord Caitanya describes, prema-pumartho mahan. And Rupa Gosvami described that ‘You are distributing krsna-prema.’ So krsna-prema is so valuable, but Krsna is after Radharani. Just see how Radharani is great. Just try to understand the greatness of Radharani. Therefore She is so great, and we have to offer our respect.” (Lecture, Aug 30, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami offers his respectful obeisances to Srimati Radharani, taking a straw in his mouth. Indeed, he prays, ‘O Gandharvika, Srimati Radharani, just as Lord Krsna never rejects a surrendered soul, please don’t reject me." (CC Madhya 8.166, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Radharani can deliver Krsna. She is so great a devotee, the emblem of maha-bhagavata. Even Krsna cannot understand the quality of Radharani’s devotion. Although Krsna says vedaham samatitani — ‘I know everything’ — He fails to understand Radharani. Radharani is so great." (Lecture, Sept 18, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "I am very much indebted to my father, for he took care of me in such a way that I became perfectly Krsna conscious. My father used to receive many saintly persons at our home, and to every one of them he used to say, ‘Kindly bless my son so that he may become a servant of Radharani.’ That was his only ambition." (Conversation, Oct, 1973)*××*.

When fall down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana takes place, it means the jiva-souls have fallen down from a "non-fallen" condition.

The jiva-souls fall to the material creation first generally by choice (free will), and then after many millions of births in the material creation, fall further to impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti, after becoming fed up and frustrated within the material existence trapped in a temporary material bodily vessel in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

In this way, the frustrated fallen jiva-souls attempt to extinguish their existence by seeking out an "inactive state of consciousness," or a dormant state within the impersonal Brahmajyoti to escape the suffering of repeated birth and death, and trying to enjoy the temporary decaying material creation they mistakenly believe is their home.

Also, never did the jiva-souls first originate from that impersonal Brahmajyoti as some fools believe.

They foolishly claim, from clear sheet (meaning dormant or inactive) of consciousness called tatastha-sakti the jiva-souls originate.

The correct understanding of tatastha-sakti is it is a fallen conditional state, so the jiva-souls certainly never originated from an already fallen condition. There is no such place as tatastha-sakti where souls originate from.

The marginal plane (the category the individual jiva-souls are under) is not place like that. The marginal living entities or jiva-souls are known as tatastha-sakti only in their conditional state when active in the material creation, and inactive (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The jiva-souls have many names that each describe the particular "conditional state" they are in but not in Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, the jiva-souls there are NOT in a conditioned state, they are in their original perpetual position as Krsna's eternal servant, who can voluntarily express themselves in unlimited forms they choose to be throughout the spiritual world.

In the spiritual world everything is alive, from a blade of grass, to a chair, a chariot, a flag pole, a bird, a cow, a cow herd boy or girl etc.

Therefore, in the spiritual world, the jiva-souls they are not known as tatastha-sakti.

Tatastha-sakti (the marginal potency or living entities) is not a place, it is a description of the jiva-souls while in the "conditioned" state.

Some say the jiva-souls are generated from tatastha-saki which technically needs to be further explained.

This is because tatastha-sakti is a name describing the already conditioned fallen state of the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) outside of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

The correct understanding is the jiva-souls are in the category known as the "marginal potency or marginal living entities" who are individual jiva-souls that are part of a collective called Krsna's marginal energy.

This means the jiva-souls are not literally generated from some place in the cosmos, that idea is imagination because the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) never originated from anywhere, they are eternal like Krsna, without beginning or end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches. There is no such "place" as tatastha-sakti, it is a word describing a fallen conditioned state the jiva-souls have fallen too.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls are NOT "literally" generated from anywhere because they have no origin, they have always existed as part and parcel of the marginal category of Krsna's eternal energies.

Srila Prabhupada - "We are marginal energy (jiva-souls). Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Mass 25 April, 1969)

The english word "generated" can be misleading in this regards, because many think it means a beginning, or a point of origin.

In Srimad Bhagavatam the use of this word "generated" means the jiva-souls are part and parcel of a category called the "marginal energy or potency," where one finds unlimited eternal individual jiva-souls who represent the marginal category of living entities.

This category of unlimited "eternal" individual jiva-souls, are perpetually known as the marginal potency of Krsna's energy. This clearly means the jiva-souls were never created or generated from any origin. Like Krsna, there also is NO origin for the jiva-souls. So, the proper understanding is, the marginal energy or potency, IS an unlimited collection of individual jiva-souls who surround Krsna like the sun-rays surround the Sun-disc.

However, the jiva-souls are NOT impersonal or a spark in the effulgence like the sun-rays are, and Kṛṣṇa is NOT impersonal, like the Sun-disc is in the above anology.

Both Krsna and the jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS in bodily form who can never exist separately from each other. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

The jiva-souls are always simultaneously dependent on Krsna as an individual persons, who have their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

The marginal potency IS eternal individual jiva-souls who all came from their perpetual active home of Goloka-Vrindavana, where they have existed eternally.

This means they were NEVER created.

From there, they can voluntarily enter Visnu's pastimes within any Vaikuntha planet they choose, or they can leave Vaikuntha anytime they like and enter the material temporary creation.

The spiritual worlds, the material creation, and the impersonal brahmajyoti, all have unlimited individual jiva-souls existing in different categories of existence, from active, to inactivity within the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The jiva-souls are always in the category of the marginal potency (individual living entities known also as the jiva-tattva) who can choose to exist in the spiritual world, the material creation or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Only the material energy is created and is also temporary, while the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are eternal, they were never created, nor did they originate or were generated from outside of Goloka-Vrindavana.

As said above, the word tatastha-sakti is a fallen conditional state of the jiva-souls used after they have left Goloka- Vrindavana and Vaikuntha.

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are Krsna's energy who are eternal, they can never be the energetic (Krsna) or Visnu-tattva.

All rebellious jiva-souls (less than 10%) enter first the material creation after leaving Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana via the dreams of Maha-Visnu, and not from the inactive impersonal Brahmajyoti and tatastha-sakti, as some claim.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-souls are marginal which means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Therefore, being "generated" from the marginal plane does NOT mean "originating" from the marginal plain because there is no origin of the jiva-souls, they are ETERNALLY part and parcel of the marginal plain that has always existed and has no origin.

The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls exist sometimes under the influence of the spiritual energy, or sometimes under the material energy.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, April 23, 1976)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for "infinity" which means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "correct" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created.

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed and were NEVER created.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The jiva-souls NEVER originated from the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman as the mayavadis foolishly believe.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Tatastha-sakti refers only to those who are ALREADY fallen, those "conditioned" in the material creation, and who have further fallen to the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

In other words, tatastha-sakti does not describe the jiva-souls in their original "none-fallen" position in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Tatastha-sakti is a name describing the none Krsna conscious fallen condition of the jiva-souls. 

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the "personal" characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics and to enter the permanent characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha-śakti. Just like in the seaside the shore, the beach, sometimes you see it is covered by water and sometimes it is land; similarly, when we are covered by māyā, that is our jīva-bhūta stage, and when there is no more covering, that is brahma-bhūta stage. When we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, then we are brahma-bhūta (SB 4.30.20), and when we are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, we are materially conscious, that is māyā." (Lecture on BG 7.4-5 - Bombay, March 30, 1971)

The marginal living entities or jiva-souls are not called tatastha-sakti in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana as Prabhupada explains above because tatastha-sakti means a fallen "conditioned" designation.

The word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant in the (impersonal) Brahmajyoti.

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The jiva-soul's original position in Goloka Vrindavana from where they originated from, have the same bodily features as Krsna-

sat,
cit,
ananda,
vigraha.

Which means-

Eternity,
Knowledge,
Bliss.
Form.

In the jiva-souls full potential, they are all a perpetual bodily form like Krsna's two-arm bodily form in their eternal position in their home of Goloka-Vrindavana.

In other words, the original feature of all marginal living entities (jīva-souls) is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first] Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Hare Krsna Happening record album, New York, Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down." (Lecture July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sädhana-siddha, krpa-siddha-there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sadhana-siddha." (CC lecture, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha (eternally liberated)." (Lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (eternally conditioned) AGAIN nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), to bring them back to their original position. It is a difficult task." (New York lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 83 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada further explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "The next answer about the living entities falling down to the material world, they are NOT from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also considered  fallen, within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long as one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness, he does not fall down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he falls down." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down to the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that, "don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving Krsna."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom, you have free will. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, then why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there, but he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done?" So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence, your free will. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

"We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea, we want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture on SB Canto 5, Ch 5 text 2, Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda – "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, he never returns to the material creation. He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can reject Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down, that is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, "If I could become the master." They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking he can."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He is protecting you. He says, "You rascal, don’t desire an independent existence without Me, surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me." Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C. USA)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary, return is there."

Paramahamsa - "If we want."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa -"Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, Krsna says, yes, you go and enjoy the material world, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." Just like some of our students sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that."

Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk Cheviot Golf Course, May 13, 1973, LA)

Therefore we are responsible for our choices and actions and in the material creation free will almost does not exist because one is binded by their own reactions to their pious and impious deeds (karma)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions, where are all the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul, new and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how there can be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new.'' (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 02/27/1970)

Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains, that choice to stay or go is also up to the jiva-souls.

Therefore, it is NOT just a "one-way decision" only Krsna makes, no, the decisions are also made by the individual each jiva-soul on where they choose to live.

Krsna will never run a dictatorship that suppresses one's right of self expression and voluntary service.

Real loving exchanges can never exist without allowing the "free will," or choices involving the jiva-souls in a "two-way" reciprocal exchange.

Krsna does not run a totalitarian dictatorial regime in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana making the jiva-souls mindless puppets controlled by the puppet master (God).

This means the jiva-souls always have the choice to accept or reject Krsna, and can leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana at anytime.

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?" Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, you love me, you love me, you love me. Is it love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individuality with personal voluntary offerings based on free will and selfless loving reciprocal exchanges with Krsna, it is never a one-sided master/slave relationship with the Krsna (God)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love it is exploitation." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love, bhakti or service is always reciprocal, as said above, it is never a one-sided affair where surrender to Krsna takes away your sense of self, individuality and the ability to voluntarily provide personal contributions and have independent choices.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique personality and character separate from Krsna's Personality, that are the unique make up of each individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul), make them the "person" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence." (Conversation Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Free will or freedom is something never acquired, nor ever given up or surrendered in the spiritual world as ignorant fools believe.

Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore always exists without beginning or end in the spiritual planets.

However, free will in its full potential, is only fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavan, which are the jiva-souls original perpetual home.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) never emerged or originated from some nonsense dormant clear sheet of consciousness that fools claim is always growing with new jiva-souls, known as the dormant Brahmajyoti, Brahman as impersonalist gurus, sannyasis and their followers foolishly believe.

There is no such place as tatastha-sakti where the jiva-souls are literally generated or originate from, such teachings are nonsense and bogus.

As said above tatastha-sakti is a name describing the fallen conditioned circumstances of the jiva-souls, tatastha-sakti is not the original beginning point of the jiva-souls because it is already a fallen "conditioned state" the jiva-souls fell to long, long, long ago.

The marginal potency or marginal living entities are like the sun-rays surrounding the Sun-disc, however, in the case of Krsna and the jiva-souls, both have always been, both have always existed.

The marginal living entities or jiva-souls are also as tatastha-sakti in their "conditioned state" outside Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

As explained above, tatastha-sakti is not a place, it is a name describing those jiva-souls "conditioned" in the material creation or those "conditioned" in the dormant (inactive) impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Both conditions are already a "fallen condition," so clearly the jiva-souls never originated from an already fallen position, they never originated from tatastha-sakti. 

It is said by some the jiva-souls are generated from the marginal plane but that simple means they are individual parts and parcels of the marginal energy among Krsna's energies.

The jiva-souls were never created by Krsna because the marginal living entity (jiva-souls) are part and parcel of Krsna's Body, and like Krsna, are eternal without beginning or end. Only the material worlds are created.

The fact is, on the spiritual platform there is no creation of the individual jiva-souls, they were never created, they have always been.

Srila Prabhupāda - "The soul is part and parcel of God. As God is not created, He is creator, above creation so the father creates a child; therefore father is above creation. So God is above creation. God created the cosmic manifestation (material worlds). Before creation of this cosmic world, God was there. Therefore He is not created; He is creator of all created things. And the jiva-soul, being part and parcel of God, he is also not created." (Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize, June 23, 1975 Los Angeles)

All jiva-souls coming to the material creation directly originate from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavan where they are beginningless and endless like Krsna and Visnu as explained above.

The jiva-soul have no origin. 

In the spiritual worlds there is no creation of any kind including the individual jiva-souls, they were never created just like Krsna was never created.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have existed for "infinity" which means, just like Krsna, they are beginningless and endless, and were NEVER created.

So there is no such thing as new jiva-souls being created because they have always been and were NEVER created.

Bhagavad Gita As it Is Chapter 2, Verse 12

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is "1983 correct edition," Chapter 2 text 20-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "1983 correct" edition)

The 1972 edition of Bhagavad Gita As It has wrongly presented by the then editor Hayagriva dasa, the above is the "now corrected verse", so avoid the 1972 edition of Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

Prabhupada confirms no jiva-soul was ever created-

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Only matter is temporary (like the material bodily vessel the jiva-soul is presently in), while the jiva-souls in the material body are eternal and can NEVER cease to exist.

This means when the material vessels the jiva-soul is in, breaks down due to disease, decay or accidents, and ceases to function, also due to old age, the jiva-soul can no longer remain in that broken material body, and is forced to take another body in the womb of a new mother.

Actually, getting a human body in the material world is very rare and in most cases one’s next birth is in the lower species of life, where the jiva-soul must evolve through the species of life to they again reach the human platform.

This process has been going on for infinity which means the jiva-souls have experienced every material bodily existence imaginable.

The consequences of ♾️ (infinity) is mind blowing, but there is a way out of this temporary (eventually repetitive) material manifestation.

The goal of a Vaiṣṇava is to get out of this temporary decaying material existence and return back home back to Godhead and enter the perpetual Vaikuntha planets to be with Visnu, or Goloka Vrindavana and be with Krsna, where one is no longer covered by a nasty temporary decaying material bodily vessel, and ARE instead fully a spiritual body, never again to experience repeated birth and death.

The individual jiva-souls are unique eternal independent parts and parcel of Krsna, just like the sunrays and the Sun-disc are united, so are the jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa. 

The jiva-souls are just as old as Krsna (beginningless and endless)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 04/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 02/27/1970)

Only the material worlds (matter or material energy) is created, not the spiritual worlds or living beings.

When Krsna wanted to experience a loving relationship He knew it could never exist with just one so He divided Himself into two, Srimati Radharani and Krsna, the Divine couple.

The marginal living entities (jīva-souls) are a part and parcel of Krsna and cannot be separated from the Supreme, yet are also simultaneously separated as independent living beings (jiva-souls) with their own sense of self, individuality, personality and free will, they are not Krsna but are fully dependent on Krsna with different relationships with the Lord.

Pradyumna - "Do the five direct rasas take place between jīva-souls also when they are..."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Everything for jīva-souls, all relationship. Kṛṣṇa is one, the Supreme, and all the jīva-souls are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the eternal relationship is there. Now they are exhibited in these twelve kinds of humor, either directly or indirectly." (Room Conversation - May 10, 1969, Columbus, Ohio)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jīva-soul, a part and parcel, cannot be separated from the Supreme. Sun and the light, electric bulb, and the diffusion of light, they cannot be separated. But this portion is covered. It appears darkness. So when it is covered, that is called māyā, and he thinks that "I have no relationship with God," or "I am God, there is no God." This is māyā. He is covered. He cannot see. So he has to be treated by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness treatment, and the māyā will be separated, and he will see, "Ah, yes, I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa." Then he comes to the direct relationship." (May 10, 1969, Columbus, Ohio)

It is important to understand that no jiva-souls originate from the dormant Brahmajyoti, impersonal Brahman or tatastha-sakti (an already fallen conditional state)

The fact is all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) originate directly from Goloka-Vrindavana where they all have an eternal svarupa spiritual body but can voluntarily change to a bodily form of their choice, where the Lords pastimes are perpetually happening.

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home, back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time and leave when ever you choose."

Syamasundara - "So some come back to the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then the jiva-soul is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence and fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? But naturally if one becomes free from the prison house, he should not return there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

For those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, they have not understood these clear points explained by Srila Prabhupada.

In Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Krsna promises the jiva-souls they will never again fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to the material creation, and yes, Krsna will always keeps His promise!

However, are the jiva-souls forced to accept that promise from Krsna which means the jiva-souls lose their free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana and can never leave even if they want to, because of that promise from Krsna?

The fact is, Krsna's promise of never falling down to the material creation is Krsna's point of view and promise, but the fact is, the jiva-souls do not have to accept His promise as final, they can reject that too because of their free will?

There must be choice (free will) in the spiritual worlds otherwise there can be no question of loving voluntary exchanges that enrich and flavour a relationship.

Fortunately over 90% of jiva-souls at one time choose to NEVER fall down, only less than 10% choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

However, that also can change over infinity, after all the jiva-souls are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada wrote me a letter when I was a young 23 year old in early 1975 found in vaniquotes. I admitted to Prabhupada I was having difficulty, that was not helped by our Sydney Temple being demolished by local council authorities and bulldozed into the ground, leaving us out on the sidewalk with the Radha Gopinath Deities in the rain. Many devotees left the movement at this time as the struggle became too difficult for them to handle however, I chose to stay, we moved to our incense factory in the rough industrial area near Redfern (the suburb of Alexandria), it was a very difficult stressful time.

Out of frustration I wrote to Prabhupada expressing the struggles we experienced, he wrote back bluntly saying I MUST follow his order, there is no choice because I promised to follow his order at initiation, otherwise, he warned me, I was carving my way to hell!

Even though he said I had no choice, the fact is for him to say "follow my teachings or you are going to hell" obviously indicates there is ALWAYS a choice.

I could of left like so many other devotees did back then, but I chose to stay out of fear. Being young, naive and immature in 1975, I believed Prabhupada's strong harsh words warning me to follow his teachings or I was go to hell.

One young new devotee working in the incense factory read my letter, shook his head and said, "It's difficult enough living under these conditions, doesn't Prabhupada understand that? You cannot threaten people the way he abused you in that letter!" then said, "I'm out of here." He was never seen again!

My parents were also disgusted and not impressed with Prabhupada's comments to their son either. My father refused to meet him when he came to Melbourne in 1976. Years later I discovered my brother came to the Temple drunk with his friends demanding to see me and the Temple had to call the Police. (I called them)

It seems Prabhupada was not fully aware of the difficulties the Sydney Temple was going through. At least I stayed, while many others left, never to be seen again. 

By leaving they certainly proved they had a choice, but I was so naive I actually believed Prabhupada when he said I had no choice, LOL, which probably saved my spiritual life. 

Over the years many immature ISKCON leaders (gurus, sannyasis and devotees) had no idea what my relationship with Prabhupada is (including my parents). They used that letter against me to put me down and belittle me, and still do to this day. I have learnt to ignore them all. 

When Prabhupada came a year later, he called me to his room and spoke nicely to me, concerned for my welfare and humbly said to me, "no matter how difficult things get, never leave me."

Each individual jiva-soul is a unique person with their own personality who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, the best way they can, or ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada explained, Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that must be voluntary otherwise love can never genuinely exist unless there are voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only with one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be two, there must be lover, there must be beloved in a two-way exchange otherwise how can there be love?" (Lecture on SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture on SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Impersonalism has many meanings, there are those who believe surrendering to Krsna means giving up your free will and unique personality and becoming Krsna's mindless yes man or women and puppet on a string. The impersonal versions of Krsna consciousness must be rejected.

Srila Prabhupada – "In Bengali it is said, If you catch one girl or boy, you love me, you love me, you love me, is that love? You love me otherwise I will kill you!? Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington DC July 1976)

As Prabhupada has explained, Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, He never forces them to love Him, that must be voluntary otherwise love can never exist unless there is that endeavour to establish voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

Free will is part and parcel of the jiva-soul's natural spiritual constitution and perpetually exists without beginning or end on the spiritual planets. Free will in its full potential is only fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which are the jiva-soul's original perpetual homes.

On the other hand, free will in the material creation is greatly restricted and only experienced minutely in the human species. In all other species in the material creation, there is no free will to enquire into the purpose of existence, there is only the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. So the human form (material bodily vessel) the jiva-soul has occupied, is very important because it is the most advanced species that can assist the trapped jiva-soul getting out of material existence.

Such a material bodily vessel is very, very rare among the 8 million 400 thousand species of life, there are only 400 thousand human species, making the human body the only way out of the material creation under the guidance of a spiritual teacher or master. Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to love Him, they must choose for themselves, if He did use force, then that is not love, it is coerced surrender, exploitation and abuse.

There is always free will and the ability to always choose in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana which means one can choose accept or reject Krsna eternally. Otherwise there is no meaning to free will.

A devotee once ask Srila Bhaktisiddhanta why was the jiva-souls granted free will when they could misuse it?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta answered-

"You are fighting for freedom. Don’t you know the value of having free will? Devoid of freedom the soul is only matter. Real freedom or free will therefore offers the jiva-soul the alternative to do either right or wrong."

Gandhi then demanded-

"We want our freedom too."

The British authorities replied-

"You are not fit to have self-government or freedom. When you are fit, we shall give it to you."

Gandhi then demanded-

"We want the freedom to do right or wrong too."

So having one's freedom does not guarantee only acting in the right way; no, the choice must be there to also do wrong if on chooses.

Free will means always to be able to choose for yourself what is right or wrong for you, and not forced by others to do what they believe is right or wrong for you. Therefore the possibility of also rejecting Krsna must always be there too in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because that's what free will also means - to always have a choice.

Those who claim the jiva-soul can never again fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana are talking nonsense, no matter who they are. However, it is a fact that over 90% of jiva-souls have never been to the material creation, which means they have never left Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

The jiva-souls always have free will in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana and choose for themselves what they want to do, most never leave Krsna but less than 10% do choose to leave the spiritual worlds.

Our first choice after rejecting Krsna in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, is to dominate and imitate Krsna, it is that choice, due to free will, that causes the jiva soul to enter the material temporary creation and try to dominate.

This choice of entering the material creation has nothing to do with the influence of Maya and the material energy. This is because the material energy does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

As a result of the rebellious jiva-soul's "choice" to reject Krsna, there relocation to the material creation begins to developed based on the desire to enjoy separately.

Srila Prabhupada has explained that the "original position" of the jiva-soul is always with Krsna in the spiritual world, engaged in a reciprocal relationship based on voluntary loving exchanges. This is the jiva-soul's real eternal home and original perpetual position.

As explained above, Maya can never be blamed for the fall down of the jiva-soul from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to the material creation in any way. Maya in her role as the personification of material energy, does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, therefore Maya can never tempt the jiva-souls to forget Krsna in anyway.

Generally the only cause of fall down is the "free will" to live separate from Krsna. Another cause is offending devotees like the gate keepers of Vaikuntha did to the four Kumaras.***.