The unique relationship between Krsna and His devotees is always a "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation and voluntary service that can NEVER be achieved in a "one-sided" autocracy.

Krsna allows the eternal individual jiva-souls (devotees) in the spiritual world to continually re-invent themselves by voluntarily serving in a capacity they choose by making their own unique contributions and offerings.

This allows diversity and an unlimited range of variegatedness in the devotee's personal service to Krsna that is forever expanding their progressive independent contributions in the Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) infinitely expanding their voluntary participation, personal contributions and inspiration in an unlimited variety of unique ways serving and associating with Krsna in His never ending expanding blissful pastimes (lilas)

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their "free will" because He wants to see unique voluntary independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal choices with their own unique thoughtful contributions on their own.

Krsna wants His devotees to voluntarily be personally creative in their independent offerings, friendship and service to Him.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees, where they can voluntarily express themselves as they choose, in their own unique way, as separate independent individuals from Krsna, yet simultaneously fully dependent on Him due to being His parts and parcels.

This means the devotees of Krsna should NEVER surrender to a mindless puppetry “one-sided" dominating relationship, where the devotee is ordered what to think, and how to serve without being encouraged to think for themselves with their own unique personal voluntary contributions. 

Such a nonsense “one-sided” relationship is a loveless dictatorship and impersonalism!

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not achieved by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Krsna allows free will (voluntary self-expression) so His devotees can experience their own unique individuality by making their own offerings or contributions to Him in a way that forever expands loving exchanges and reciprocation in a "two-way" transition and NEVER in a "one-sided" non-contributing loveless dictatorship.

In this way, "free will" only eternally exists for Krsna's devotees because Krsna wants a "two-way" contributing open relationship with His devotees, therefore Krsna always encourages self expression and unique personal contributions from His dear devotees that make the relationship a "two-sided" exchange of loving emotions.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must two, an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship of mutual returns, cooperation and respect.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service there is always voluntary for Krsna's devotees. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there, if I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if the devotee desires, that is spiritual life, it is all voluntary, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Kṛṣṇa in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this will only prove Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

However, the devotees having their freedom of self expression must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees (the individual jīva-souls) their independence (free will), then genuine loving exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open two-way exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from a cold puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism.

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form, who are indestructible and can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter two explains.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions)

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enriches and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world because for love to flourish and expand, there MUST be two.

Genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one.

The devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) have their choices on how they want to serve and please Krsna too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one.

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity that denies personal contributions (impersonalism).

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always based on "free will," this allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges which means the individual jiva-souls  have their own unique independent thinking and chosen actions.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.×<.

Krsna allows free will (voluntary self-expression) so His devotees can experience their own unique individuality by making their own offerings or contributions to Him in a way that forever expands loving exchanges and reciprocation in a two-way transition.

"Free will" eternally exists for Krsna's devotees because He wants a two-way relationship and therefore encourages self expression and personal contributions that make the relationship a two-way exchange of loving emotions.

In this way, Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls to continually re-invent themselves in the spiritual world, by eternally voluntarily making their own unique contributions and offerings, allowing diversity and the existence of a progressive independent free spirit who are always forever expanding their active participation, personal contributions and inspiration in an unlimited variety of unique ways serving Krsna.

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal view point, with their own unique thoughtful contributing offerings without any influence from Krsna. 

Krsna wants His devotees to be personally creative in their independent offerings, friendship and service to Him.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees, where they voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way as separate individuals from Krsna.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship. 

In this way, Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Kṛṣṇa in unlimited creative wsys, or even reject Him if they choose, this will only prove Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

However, the devotees having their freedom of self expression must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees (the individual jīva-souls) their independence (free will), then genuine loving exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open two-way exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from a cold puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form, who are indestructible and can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter two explains.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions) 

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence in the spiritual world because for love to flourish and expand there MUST be two. 

Genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one.

The devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) have their choices on how they want to serve and please Krsna too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one.

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity (impersonalism).

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always based on "free will, " this allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) are eternal like Krsna, which means they were never created.

The individual jiva-souls being “generated” from the "marginal plane" does not mean they “originated” from a beginning point in the brahmajyoti, Spiritual Sky or tatastha-sakti. This is because there is no beginning point for the individual jiva-souls due to them being beginningless and endless.

Being “generated” means the individual jiva-souls are eternally part and parcel of a category of living personalities called the “marginal living entities” (individual jīva-souls) who are independently separated from other living entities like-

1 - Visnu-tattva (direct expansions of Krsna known as Visnu/Narayana expansions)

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva (Radharani and Her unlimited associates)

3 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva and his many expansions)

The individual jiva-souls are NEVER created Krsna, or appear from a “clear state of inactive consciousness” from the impersonal brahmajyoti, or emerge from the Body of Maha-Visnu, who the individual jiva-souls take shelter of (go through to obtain a suitable material bodily vessel from) after leaving the spiritual world’s of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The individual jiva-souls do not appear (generated) from any origin point including “tatastha-sakti” because they were NEVER created, the individual jiva-souls are eternal like Krsna is.

Therefore, the eternal individual jiva-souls never originated from the impersonal brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu.

In actual fact, all the above are an already fallen condition of the individual jiva-souls they have fallen too Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha the fallen materially conditioned characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent non-conditioned spiritual characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics and enter the permanent non-conditioned characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual jiva-soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha śakti." (Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Also, there is no Maya or material energy in the spiritual world however, there is always “free will” that allows the individual jiva-souls to even accept or reject Krsna if they choose. 

Srimad Bhagavatam explains the fall down of the marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) from Goloka-Vrindavana to the material creation in the 4th Canto Chapter 28 text 53, where the Supreme Lord is disguised as a brahmana.

The brāhmaṇa said - "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can't you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 28 text 53)

The brahman effulgence (impersonal brahmajyoti), is an already "fallen condition" the eternal individual jiva-souls can fall down too however, they can never remain in that "fallen condition" eternally because the nature of the individual jiva-souls is ultimately to be eternally “active” in the service of Krsna.

Eventually, the fallen jiva-souls are forced to leave that dormant inactive condition in the impersonal brahmajyoti because of their eternal nature to be eternally active, and not be inactive.

So, eventually the fallen individual jiva-souls leave the impersonal brahmajyoti and again take birth in the material world.

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all individual jīva-souls in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The fact is, we are all "old jiva-souls" because we have ALWAYS existed without origin as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter two teaches.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated, extinguished or cut into pieces, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible.

There was no beginning to the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) existence, nor will there be an end. 

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21, 1983)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

As Srila Prabhupada clearly said above, all individual jiva-souls are eternal meaning they are beginningless and endless and were never created.

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

If the individual jiva-souls choose to do so, they can stay in the temporary decaying material universe's cycles of birth and death and cycles of annihilation and creations for an almost infinity!

The conclusion-

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which means eternity!.**..

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginningless and endless (eternal) and therefore were never created, not even by Krsna. In other words, just like Krsna's existence, the individual jiva-souls also have ALWAYS existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Only the temporary material bodily container or vessel the eternal individual jiva-soul is in, is subject to constant maintenance, decay and ultimate annihilation, while the individual jiva-soul is unaffected by those changes.

The individual jiva-soul then moves on to occupy a new temporary material bodily container or vessel.

The human form of life is very, very rare to obtain, it is not guaranteed in the jiva-soul's next birth because the human species is only one form of life out of 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

Also because the individual jiva-souls have no origin and were never created, it is important to understand the individual jiva-souls do NOT originate from any already fallen condition like tatastha-sakti, or from the dormant (inactive) impersonal brahmajyoti, or from the Body of Maha-Visnu. 

The individual jīva-soul's eternal home of origin, is the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

Also being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the individual jiva-souls “originated” from a point of origin, or were created in the Spiritual Sky and supposedly began their existence, no, such nonsense is rejected here because the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless which means they were never created, not even by Krsna and are therefore just as ageless as Krsna.

The individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed, and both were never created.

This means both have no origin or beginning point to their existence because they have existed for infinity as Bhagavad Gita As It Is confirms.

Tatastha-sakti is an already fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-soul they fall too after leaving the spiritual world (Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets).

It is the non-Krsna conscious condition of the fallen individual jiva-souls when they are outside the spiritual world and instead existing in both the material existence, and when inactive (dormant) impersonal brahmajyoti where the individual jiva-soul artificially appears as an individual inactive living (anti-matter) spark in the impersonal brahmajyoti.  

The word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) only in their "fallen conditional state" in both the material creation and when dormant in the (impersonal) brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha or the fallen materially conditioned characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent non-fallen characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha-sakti (fallen materially conditioned state) and enter the permanent spiritual non-fallen characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha śakti."(Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The full potential and eternal original feature (bodily form) of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body. The individual jiva-souls were never created, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna is.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form, "man is made after the shape of God," so Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the individual jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body, if the jiva-soul is non-material, what is the form of all jiva-souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form."(Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original spiritual feature (form) of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, two arms, two legs. The individual jiva-souls do not therefore originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as an impersonal spark as some incorrectly and foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, man is made after the shape of God, I think that is in the Bible also, is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa– "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-souls are non-material, what is the form and composition of the jiva-souls?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is eternal spiritual form that is not material, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter (material energy) is impersonal, but because the superior prakṛti, jīva-soul, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. This body is just like dress. Just like your coat has got hand, your pant has got leg, but either the pant or coat has no leg, no hand. So, because you have got leg and hand, the coat has got leg and hand. Everyone can understand this. It is very easy. So, the original (and eternally), the individual jiva-souls have form. Therefore the cloth has been cut into form. It is very easy to understand. Otherwise how you get the form? And in this form the spirit soul is trying to enjoy this material world. But it is not puruṣa. It cannot enjoy. That is false. That is illusion." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - Matter (material energy) has no form but the jiva-soul has got form. Though matter is covering the actual form of the jiva-soul, the matter then appears to have form. Just like the original cloth has no form, but when the tailor cuts the cloth according to the body of the person, then the shirt and coat takes a form. 

The matter (material energy) itself has no form. When you take clay, it has no form, but if you make it like a doll, like a man or woman, then it has a form. When you change the clay, and you manufacture a fort, then the fort has form. So, form and formlessness is of the matter, but in the spiritual world everything has got form. The jiva-soul has got form. God has got form. This is the truth. 

In the material world any form-man or beast or anyone—in the outward, external covering is matter (temporary material energy), but within the matter there is the soul. The soul has form and God has form. That is real form. And the material form is simply shirting and coating over the spiritual body.

The form of the body takes place on account of the form of the spirit. This is very nice example. The cloth has no form, but when it is cut according to the form of the gentleman, it takes a form. Similarly, matter has no form. When it is coated on the spiritual form of the soul, it takes the form. This is very easy to understand." (Discussion with Thomas Aquinas on philosophy)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The living entity has got hands, legs, everything, spiritual. Just like my, I have got my body, and this body's covered by this shirt, and because I have got this hand, the shirt has got hand, otherwise where from this hand comes Unless the spirit soul has got hands and legs, how we have got these material hands and legs? Therefore the conclusion is that the individual jiva-souls is eternal form that is beginningless and endless. Kṛṣṇa is eternal form also, sac cit ānanda vigraha (Bs. 5.1) that means eternity, all knowledge, bliss and form, similarly the individual jiva-souls, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, also have eternal form, so because we have information from Bhagavad-gītā, that this body, material body is like a dress only, it is not who we are. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāny yathā vihāya. As we give up old dress, garment, similarly, when this body becomes useless, we give up this body and accept another new body. Navāni ghṛṇāti." (The Nectar of Devotion, Vrndavana, Oct 26, 1972)

As said above, the word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in both the material creation, and when dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti.

It is incorrect to believe the jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti (an already conditioned fallen state outside the world) Srila Prabhupada has explained above.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) sometimes fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana which are their original homes.

And then after being frustrated in a material body trapped in the cycle of birth and death in the material creation, they attempt to find escape by entering the impersonal (inactive or dormant) Brahmajyoti. 

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from the Impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti), the Body of Maha-Visnu or tatastha-sakti (all fallen conditioned designation outside the spiritual world) as some foolishly believe.

All individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal (beginningless and endless) and come to the material world from the perpetual Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness [Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana]." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

First of all, the individual jiva-soul being "marginal" means having the choice to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (the jiva-souls nature position and full potential in the spiritual world) or by the material energy (unnatural conditioned state) 

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the individual jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution position), or the material energy, based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls who are eternal parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

The individual jiva-souls did not begin their existence by first entering the material world. That nonsense implies the jiva-souls have an origin when in fact they are eternal like Krsna and were never created.

Only ignorant fools with a poor fund of knowledge claim the individual jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

All individual jiva-souls are originally from either the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavana where they have existed eternally before entering the material world Prabhupada teaches. 

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

There are no new individual jiva-souls being created as Bhagavad Gita As It is teaches, the individual jiva-souls are eternal meaning there is no beginning or end to their existence. 

As said above, the individual jiva-souls did NOT originate or were generated from any beginning point to their existence called tatastha-sakti.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is spiritual form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original feature of the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, they do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some foolishly believe.

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-soul is non-material, then what is its the form?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you state that spirit soul has form."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Devotee - "Otherwise, how is the material body grown to accommodate the spirit soul? Just like a shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shapes of the body. Does that mean that the spirit soul has the shape of the body that is accommodating it?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, you have got body, shape." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 Text 24, Hawaii, Jan 20, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter is impersonal. But because the superior prakṛti, jīva, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution), or the temporary decaying material energy,  based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, April 25, 1970)

Only the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) express themselves in seperate way from Krsna which means they have free will. This is because all the other Visnu-tattva (also God) Personalities are Krsna just playing unlimited roles in other ways.

Mother Yasoda is not a jiva-soul, she is a direct expansion of Krsna (Visnu-tattva). In other words, just like Krsna is also Balarāma, and Krsna is also Radharani, Krsna can manifest Himself in different moods as different Visnu-tattva Personalities.

Srila Prabhupada - "Nanda and mother Yasoda are the eternal father & mother of Krsna. This means that whenever Krsna descends, Nanda and Yasoda, as well as Vasudeva and Devaki, also descend as the Lord's father and mother. Their personalities are expansions of Krsna's personal body." (SB, Canto 10 Ch 8 text 48)

As long as aspiring devotees associate with foolish impersonalism and nonsense devotees, sannyasis and gurus, they will never understand the true facts about the fallen condition tatastha-sakti, the eternal  nature of the individual jiva-souls, Krsna's direct unlimited expansions like Visnu/Narayana, Balarama,  Maha-Visnu, Ramachandra,  Narsingadeva etc.^××^

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginningless and endless and therefore were never created, not even by Krsna because, like Krsna, they have ALWAYS existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Only the temporary material bodily container or vessel the eternal individual jiva-soul is in, is subject to constant maintenance, decay and ultimate annihilation. The individual jiva-soul (the life force) then moves on to occupy a new material bodily vessel.

The human form of life is very rare to obtain, it is not guaranteed in your next birth because it in only one life form out of 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

Also because the individual jiva-souls have no origin and were never created, it is important to understand the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) do NOT originate from any already fallen condition like tatastha-sakti, the "inactive" (dormant) impersonal brahmajyoti, or the Body of Maha-Visnu.

Being “generated” from the marginal plane does not mean the individual jiva-souls “originated” from a point of origin in the Spiritual Sky, where all jiva-souls supposedly are created, no, such nonsense is rejected here because the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless which means they were never created, not even by Krsna and are therefore just as ageless as Krsna.

The individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed, and both were never created.

This means both have no origin or beginning point to their existence because they have existed for infinity as Bhagavad Gita As It Is confirms.

Tatastha-sakti is actually an already fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-soul they fall too after leaving the spiritual world (Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets).

It is the non-Krsna conscious condition of the fallen individual jiva-souls when they are outside the spiritual world in both the material existence, and when inactive (dormant) and "artificially appearing" in the impersonal brahmajyoti as a bodiless spirituspiritual sparks other words, the word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) only in their "fallen conditional state" in both the material creation and when dormant in the (impersonal) brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha or the fallen materially conditioned characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent non-fallen characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha-sakti (fallen materially conditioned state) and enter the permanent spiritual non-fallen characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha śakti."(Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Revatīnandana dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The full potential and eternal original feature (bodily form) of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body. The individual jiva-souls were never created, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna is.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form, "man is made after the shape of God," so Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the individual jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body, if the jiva-soul is non-material, what is the form of all jiva-souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form."(Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original spiritual feature (form) of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, two arms, two legs. The individual jiva-souls do not therefore originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as an impersonal spark as some incorrectly and foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, man is made after the shape of God, I think that is in the Bible also, is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa– "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-souls are non-material, what is the form and composition of the jiva-souls?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is eternal spiritual form that is not material, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter (material energy) is impersonal, but because the superior prakṛti, jīva-soul, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. This body is just like dress. Just like your coat has got hand, your pant has got leg, but either the pant or coat has no leg, no hand. So, because you have got leg and hand, the coat has got leg and hand. Everyone can understand this. It is very easy. So, the original (and eternally), the individual jiva-souls have form. Therefore the cloth has been cut into form. It is very easy to understand. Otherwise how you get the form? And in this form the spirit soul is trying to enjoy this material world. But it is not puruṣa. It cannot enjoy. That is false. That is illusion." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - Matter (material energy) has no form but the jiva-soul has got form. Though matter is covering the actual form of the jiva-soul, the matter then appears to have form. Just like the original cloth has no form, but when the tailor cuts the cloth according to the body of the person, then the shirt and coat takes a form. 

The matter (material energy) itself has no form. When you take clay, it has no form, but if you make it like a doll, like a man or woman, then it has a form. When you change the clay, and you manufacture a fort, then the fort has form. So, form and formlessness is of the matter, but in the spiritual world everything has got form. The jiva-soul has got form. God has got form. This is the truth. 

In the material world any form-man or beast or anyone—in the outward, external covering is matter (temporary material energy), but within the matter there is the soul. The soul has form and God has form. That is real form. And the material form is simply shirting and coating over the spiritual body.

The form of the body takes place on account of the form of the spirit. This is very nice example. The cloth has no form, but when it is cut according to the form of the gentleman, it takes a form. Similarly, matter has no form. When it is coated on the spiritual form of the soul, it takes the form. This is very easy to understand."(Discussion with Thomas Aquinas on philosophy)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The living entity has got hands, legs, everything, spiritual. Just like my, I have got my body, and this body's covered by this shirt, and because I have got this hand, the shirt has got hand, otherwise where from this hand comes Unless the spirit soul has got hands and legs, how we have got these material hands and legs? Therefore the conclusion is that the individual jiva-souls is eternal form that is beginningless and endless. Kṛṣṇa is eternal form also, sac cit ānanda vigraha (Bs. 5.1) that means eternity, all knowledge, bliss and form, similarly the individual jiva-souls, being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, also have eternal form, so because we have information from Bhagavad-gītā, that this body, material body is like a dress only, it is not who we are. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāny yathā vihāya. As we give up old dress, garment, similarly, when this body becomes useless, we give up this body and accept another new body. Navāni ghṛṇāti." (The Nectar of Devotion, Vrndavana, Oct 26, 1972)

As said above, the word tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their fallen conditioned state in both the material creation, and when dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti.

It is incorrect to believe the jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti (an already conditioned fallen state outside the world) Srila Prabhupada has explained above.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) sometimes fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana which are their original homes.

And then after being frustrated in a material body trapped in the cycle of birth and death in the material creation, they attempt to find escape by entering the impersonal (inactive or dormant) Brahmajyoti. 

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from the Impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti), the Body of Maha-Visnu or tatastha-sakti (all fallen conditioned designation outside the spiritual world) as some foolishly believe.

All individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal (beginningless and endless) and come to the material world from the perpetual Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti) are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness [Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana]." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

First of all, the individual jiva-soul being "marginal" means having the choice to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (the jiva-souls nature position and full potential in the spiritual world) or by the material energy (unnatural conditioned state) 

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the individual jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution position), or the material energy, based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy. Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls who are eternal parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

The individual jiva-souls did not begin their existence by first entering the material world. That nonsense implies the jiva-souls have an origin when in fact they are eternal like Krsna and were never created.

Only ignorant fools with a poor fund of knowledge claim the individual jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

All individual jiva-souls are originally from either the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavana where they have existed eternally before entering the material world Prabhupada teaches. 

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

There are no new jiva-souls being created as Bhagavad Gita As It is teaches, the individual jiva-souls  are eternal with no beginning or end meaning the jiva-souls did not originate from some nonsense imaginary place called tatastha-sakti.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, July 9, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is spiritual form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original feature of the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is like Krsna's Bodily form, they do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some foolishly believe.

Devotee - "If the individual jiva-soul is non-material, then what is its the form?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico , Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you state that spirit soul has form."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Devotee - "Otherwise, how is the material body grown to accommodate the spirit soul? Just like a shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shapes of the body. Does that mean that the spirit soul has the shape of the body that is accommodating it?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, you have got body, shape." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 Text 24, Hawaii, Jan 20, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter is impersonal. But because the superior prakṛti, jīva, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

As said above, the meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (their natural constitution), or the temporary decaying material energy,  based on their free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, April 25, 1970)

Only the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) express themselves in seperate way from Krsna which means they have free will. This is because all the other Visnu-tattva (also God) Personalities are Krsna just playing unlimited roles in other ways.

Mother Yasoda is not a jiva-soul, she is a direct expansion of Krsna (Visnu-tattva). In other words, just like Krsna is also Balarāma, and Krsna is also Radharani, Krsna can manifest Himself in different moods as different Visnu-tattva Personalities.

Srila Prabhupada - "Nanda and mother Yasoda are the eternal father & mother of Krsna. This means that whenever Krsna descends, Nanda and Yasoda, as well as Vasudeva and Devaki, also descend as the Lord's father and mother. Their personalities are expansions of Krsna's personal body." (SB, Canto 10 Ch 8 text 48)

As long as aspiring devotees associate with foolish impersonalism and nonsense devotees, sannyasis and gurus, they will never understand the true facts about the fallen condition tatastha-sakti, the eternal  nature of the individual jiva-souls, Krsna's direct unlimited expansions like Visnu/Narayana, Balarama,  Maha-Visnu, Ramachandra,  Narsingadeva etc.^×^.