Wednesday, December 3, 2025

There was no beginning to the individual jiva-soul's existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains, the individual jiva-souls are eternal just like Krsna.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy, an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls, who have all existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity. 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living persons as a spiritual bodily form and can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible. 

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist for the individual jiva-souls if their asscociation with Krsna the Supreme Lord is not voluntary. 

The relationship with Kṛṣṇa only has purpose when there is a positive meaningful "two-sided" variety of voluntary exchanges based on mutual respect, reciprocation and loving service.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, chair, chariot, flagpole, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two-persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Srila Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Bali Mardana dasa - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If one accepts Kṛṣṇa, they must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Discussions with on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one-way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means the individual jiva-soul is sometimes under the internal energy, or sometimes under the external energy. When the individual jiva-souls are under the internal energy, that is their normal life, and when they are under the external energy, that is their abnormal life. Therefore, the individual jiva-souls are also called the marginal energy (marginal living entities); they can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, their tendency is to remain under the internal energy. Being in the external energy is their artificial attempt to enjoy without Krsna." (Based on letter to Lilavati, Allston, Massachusetts, 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy (matter) or in the internal energy (anti-matter), in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy (matter). But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy, it is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy (matter) is not permanent. The internal energy (anti-matter) is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the individual jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are always called marginal energy (known as individual units of anti-matter) whether they are in the spiritual world, the material world or the impersonal brahmajyoti. There are instances where marginal energy (individual jiva-souls) have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama dasa, Dec 2, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Visnu-tattva who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes) The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-tattva or the independent individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) like us." (From BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every living being (individual jiva-soul) has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa siddhi perfection of one’s constitutional position." (BG As It Is, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 27 Feb 1970)


Srila Prabhupada - "The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the individual jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy (individual jiva-souls) have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)


The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls), is a two-arm spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body.


Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the individual jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the individual jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the individual jiva-soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The individual jiva-soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is a two-arm, two leg spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body, and do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as impersonalists foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original spiritual body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as chair, as chariot, as flagpole or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living persons as an eternal spiritual bodily form who can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Marginal also means the individual jiva-souls have the choice to stay in the spiritual world, which is their natural home and position, or enter the temporary material world, which is the unnatural conditioned state of the individual jiva-souls.  

As said above, there is no origin to Krsna's marginal living entities (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity. 

The individual jiva-souls can fall down further to being a bodiless inactive (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, this condition is already a fallen unnatural artifical possition of the individual jiva-soul. 

The fact is, the individual jiva-soul's full potential is a spiritual bodily form (person) who are fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world, voluntarily serving Him as explained above, which is the individual jiva-soul's natural eternal home and original eternal position.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (inactive) [impersonal] Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of bodiless individual jiva-souls whose nature original eternal spiritual bodily form is suppressed.

Those individual eternal jiva-souls who foolishly seek out the inactivity in the impersonal brahmajyoti are compared to those attempting spiritual suicide.

They feel this way after becoming frustrated with the material world's temporary bodily vessels and the painful cycle of birth and death in the material world.

Becoming inactive or dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti means the individual jiva-souls have artificially appear there as a bodiless spiritual spark which is a further fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-souls outside of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is an unnatural artificial condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential, is a spiritual bodily form (person) that is their natural state and original position in the spiritual world serving Krsna the Supreme Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated, the living entities first falling down to this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna cconsciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a "spiritual spark" is the unnatural artificial condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential is a person as a spiritual bodily individual form associating with Krsna as His voluntary servant in His eternal pastimes. 

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's spiritual Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a bodiless artificial form (spiritual spark) is the unnatural fallen appearance and condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential, is a spiritual bodily form (person) originally like Krsna's form. 

Therefore, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual spirit soul's form is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The individual jiva-soul has got form but with our material eyes we foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "Man is made after the shape of God, so God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service and one’s spiritual bodily position there is voluntary, if some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything because it is voluntary." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

The original eternal home and position of the individual jiva-souls, is not some nonsense inactive impersonal formless bodiless artifical "spark" in the brahmajyoti or brahman (a temporary condition or appearance the individual jiva-souls can fall down too) as the impersonalists and mayavadis believe, nor do the individual jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti (a fallen condition) or the Body of Maha-Visnu, who is the creator of the temporary material world.

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to, Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant bodiless) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, a natural bodily form, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal bodiless stage. The jiva-soul wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara dasa - "Does the individual jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is spirit, spiritual bodily identity already. But as we are developing material body, similarly we can revive the spiritual body."

Revatīnandana dasa - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the individual jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen individual jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm an individual jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all individual jīva-souls there are also fallen souls."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Aug 17, 1971, London UK)

As said above, the original form of the individual jiva-souls is a "two-arms, two-leg" form like Krsna, and their original (eternal) home is either in the Vaikuntha planets or with Krsna and Caitanya Mahāprabhu on Goloka Vrindavana.

Only when the individual jiva-souls voluntarily choose to leave Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the Vaikuntha planets, do they manifest a four armed form like Lord Visnus or Lord Narayana but also can appear in unlimited other forms their too. 

There are unlimited different perpetual personal Vaikuntha planets that take up 3/4 of the spiritual sky, along with Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana, each Vaikuntha planet have their own Visnu form, each with a unique name that describes the pastimes on their particular Vaikuntha planet. 

Visnu/Narayana Forms are all expansion of Krsna via Krsna's first expansion, Krsna's older brother Balarama.

Also, surrender to Krsna does not mean you "surrender" your intelligence, your free will and the ability to express yourself as the independent PERSON you are eternally.

These special qualities gives meaning to the jiva-souls existence that allows the individual jiva-souls to express themselves independently from Krsna, yet simultaneously be always fully dependent on Krsna unconditionally.

Such personal voluntary service deepens one's loving reciprocation with Krsna with variegatedness and personal exchanges that enhances, enriches and forever continues to add flavour to one's unique relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Loving exchanges, cooperation, reciprocation and voluntary expressions, expressed as a variety of services that come through the individual jiva-soul's unique independent personality.

Voluntary expressions must be there so voluntary contributions happen within one's relationship with Krsna, by serving Him in a "two-way" exchange that makes the relationship personal, caring and genuine.

Loving feelings, emotions and personal unique expressions of voluntary service towards Krsna can only exist in a "two-sided" exchange, where the individual jiva-souls are able to voluntarily add to their relationship and friendship with Krsna.

In other words, loving devotional service, individual unique contributions and reciprocation only exist when they are "voluntary" and expressed under a "two-way" banner where the individual jiva-soul's unique contributions adds to one's personal relationship of loving exchanges with Krsna.

These qualities can only be expressed, grow and expand by having "free will," in this way the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are eternally expanding.

Love can only exist by having the "free will" to voluntarily contribute to one's relationship with Krsna with unique creative personal offerings, allows the individual jiva-souls to participate selflessly serving Krsna by contributing to the relationship in their own unique way, and not allow any so called "God" to impersonally control their every thought, actions and deeds (offerings) like a puppet master controls and manipulates his mindless puppets.

In the spiritual world, one can never be influenced by maya or material energy because maya and the material energy do not exist there.

This Includes material desires that also can not exist there. However, free will always exists on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana.  

Devotee - "Is our desires that are not centred around Krsna,  the cause of our fall down, which is the misuse of our free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 18 text 63 explains free will. 

"Thus I have explained to you knowledge still more confidential. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do." (BG, Ch 18 text 63)

Purport by Srila Prabhupada:

"The Lord has already explained to Arjuna the knowledge of brahma-bhūta. One who is in the brahma-bhūta condition is joyful; he never laments, nor does he desire anything. That is due to confidential knowledge. 

Kṛṣṇa also discloses knowledge of the Supersoul. This is also Brahman knowledge, knowledge of Brahman, but it is superior.

Here the words yathecchasi tathā kuru – 

“As you like, you may act”

This indicates that God does not interfere with the little independence (free will) of the living entity (individual jiva-soul) 

In Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord has explained in all respects how one can elevate his living condition. The best advice imparted to Arjuna is to surrender unto the Supersoul seated within his heart. By right discrimination, one should agree to act according to the order of the Supersoul. That will help one become situated constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the highest perfectional stage of human life. 

Arjuna is being directly ordered by the Personality of Godhead to fight. Surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead is in the best interest of the living entities. It is not for the interest of the Supreme. 

Before surrendering, one is free to deliberate on this subject as far as the intelligence goes; that is the best way to accept the instruction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Such instruction comes also through the spiritual master, the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa." (BG, Ch 18 text 63 Purport)***.













Tuesday, December 2, 2025

Does ISKCON (The Hare Krishna Movement) believe in free will?

Yes, ISKCON believes in free will, but it is a "minute" or limited free will (self-expression) while the individual jiva-souls are restricted to the material world (temporary matter). 

Only in the spiritual world, which is made up of perpetual living units of anti-matter eternally appearing as individual spiritual bodily personalities, do the individual jiva-souls always have their free will in its full potential. 

However, in the temporary material world (matter), the fallen individual jiva-souls are under the control of Maha-Visnu's material nature of repeated birth and death.

Only in the human species numbering 400,000 out of the 8 million 400 thousand, does the individual jiva-souls have limited freedom of expression (free will) and can voluntarily turn to God by first finding a bonafide Spiritual Master or teacher. 

Free will is essential so the individual jiva-souls can participate in voluntary service and self-determination so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with God. 

Such self-expression expands their loving exchanges and unique service contributions to God (Krsna). 

This ability of choosing means the individual jiva-souls can voluntary contribute to their relationship with God in their own way, or can act against God's divine instructions. 

Without the possibility of choice, there can be no true love, reciprocation or loving exchanges, but ISKCON also emphasizes that the ultimate outcome of all actions are dependent on a higher sanction and the divine will of Kṛṣṇa.

After all, everything is Kṛṣṇa's creation and belongs to Him making Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

Free will has meaning only when one can choose to do wrong or right. The misuse of free will is what leads the individual jiva-souls to fall from the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter Maha-Visnu's temporary decaying material world of repeated birth and death.

The individual jiva-souls only then have limited freedom in the material world, and only while in the rare human form of life, this allows them to choose their pious and impious actions while trapped in a temporary material human bodily vessel within the material creation.

However, this choice of actions only minutely happens within the "human species (human form)" that leads to the accumulations of a back log of good and bad deeds (karma) performed while in a human bodily form.

This backlog or build up of Karmic reactions, creates future reactions this human form or the next bodily vessel that punish or reward the embodied individual jiva-souls trapped in the material creation. 

Ultimately, everything in God's material creation is overseen by the laws of material nature. This means that while free will is restricted in the temporary material world, it is never eliminated. Only while the individual jiva-soul is in a material bodily vessel in the material world, is free will limited (in the human species) or non existent (in the lower species).

In the lower species of life in the material world, there are 8 million species where free will does not exist, there is only the bodily instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending influenced by geological surroundings. 

Unlike the decaying material world (matter), free will in its full potential only exists unrestricted in the perpetual spiritual world (anti-matter) known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God) 

The ability to serve and love Krsna voluntarily is only possible because of free will. If one were forced, it would not be love, but "threatening."

While free will eternally exists, the ultimate outcome of one's actions is always determined by God's (Krsna's) will through His sanctions. 

This means that while the individual jiva-souls can choose their path, the consequences and the overall outcome is always in the hands of Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. In other words, everything must be first sanctioned by Krsna because everything belongs to Him.  

Free will exists because Krsna allows it, just so the individual jiva-souls can make their own voluntary contributions. Only by Krsna’s sanction and grace do they have the "free will" to do this.

Free will, or the ability to choose and contribute in your own unique way, is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists without beginning or end in the spiritual planets. 

The material creation also exists for those individual jiva-souls who choose to fall down (reject Krsna) from the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.  

However, the material worlds are never the real natural home of the individual jiva-souls which means their full freedom can never be experienced in the material creation while covered by the material energy in the form of a material bodily container or vessel, therefore, their natural home is never the material worlds.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may rebel and miss use it and choose to enter the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and try to enjoy on your own." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "all right, you enjoy like this, it is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?" Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence (free will), that is force. In Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy and demand "You love me, you love me, you love me!" Is that love? "You love me otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls is never a one-way or one-sided relationship that denies personal contributions which is an array of unique offerings and choices from the individual jiva-souls, no, love is always based on the reciprocation between "two" because love can only exist when there are "two" engaged in loving exchanges as Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person as an eternal spiritual bodily form in their full potential, who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose. 

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces the individual jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that loving exchange must be voluntary.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary, only then it is genuine love." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

In the following conversation Srila Prabhupada is explaining to us that Krsna is always in control because He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. This includes allowing the individual jiva-souls to have their independence or free will, explained here-

Syamasundara dasa - ''Do the individual jiva-souls have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''No, not without Krsna's sanction first. Bhagavad Gita states that when the individual jiva-souls wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

What Srila Prabhupada is saying here, is the individual jiva-souls cannot have their little independence (free will) without first being sanctioned by Krsna. This is because everything belongs to Krsna and He alone is the cause of all causes. 

It is Krsna's will alone that allows the individual jiva-souls to have their freedom for the purpose of allowing a "two-way" loving relationship with Krsna based on a two-way open exchange He has with the individual jiva-souls which means allowing them to voluntary participate in Krsna's pastimes if they choose. 

Syamasundara dasa - "So, do the individual jiva-souls have free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Kṛṣṇa we cannot do anything, therefore He is the ultimate cause of all causes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

Under Krsna's plan, free will exists as part of the natural constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul). Only by Krsna’s sanction are the individual jiva-souls allowed to have their unique free will (independence).

The obvious and only conclusion is without free will there can never be a genuine loving relationship with Krsna, where personal cooperation, voluntary service, loving exchanges, unique contributions and reciprocation exist hand in hand with with Krsna. 

The individual jiva-souls would simply be like dead stone if they could not express their free will Prabhupada has explained.

The paradox of having free will, means the individual jiva-souls can always express their own unique independence and individuality with their own unique contributions, while at the same time Krsna always remains the Supreme controller and Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the cause of all causes, which means not even a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna as Srila Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "As we generally say, not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus everything is moving under His will: by His will everything is being created, everything is being maintained, and everything is being annihilated." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, from the Vedic literature we can find evidence that this material manifestation, which appears to us to be very wonderful and great, is under the complete control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (Krsna)." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Krsna always sanctions free will by allowing independent choices and voluntary participation from His individual jiva-souls (devotees) in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, this allows them to choose how they want to contribute (serve) Krsna, or even not serve Him if they choose. 

Without free will the individual jiva-souls can never participate in a "two-way" loving contributing relationship with Krsna.

It is important to understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna's energies, even with the expression of their free will, or do anything without Krsna's sanction. 

However, even though they can never be independent from Krsna's energies, they can still express themselves separate from Krsna's Personality.

This is because each individual jiva-soul has their own unique independent personality, even though fully dependent on Krsna, it is always separately expressed as service to Krsna, or expressed by rejecting Krsna. 

Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to make their own choices, this gives meaning, purpose, productivity and unique voluntary creative service in Krsna's pastimes that forever expand the relationship between Krsna and His devotees. This is what life really is. 

Krsna allows this to happen so there is always diversity and voluntary expression among the individual jiva-souls in their eternal existence with Krsna.

In other words, the paradox is the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can always voluntary express their own unique independence and individuality even though Krsna is the Supreme Controller, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. As said above, "not a blade of grass can move without Krsna's will."

Krsna provides free will to the individual jiva-souls for the purpose of encouraging personal unique contributions from them in a "two-way" relationship based on loving emotions and reciprocal exchanges.  

This means the individual jiva-souls can always voluntary offer to Krsna their own personal unique offerings separate from Krsna's influence or demands if they choose.

In the spiritual world's of Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, loving devotional service to Krsna or Visnu is never a "one-way or one-sided" impersonal dictatorial affair, no, real love or service is always voluntary, expressed in a reciprocal "two-way" exchange within Krsna or Visnu within their eternal Kingdoms.

Voluntary reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God serving Krsna or Visnu can only be expressed in a genuine loving way based on devotional exchanges, cooperation and personal contributions. 

This can only exist when there are "two" involved in loving exchanges nurtured and encouraged by the will of Krsna.

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are only expressed due to Krsna allowing the individual jiva-souls to independently express their free will.

Such free will is always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) which adds flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God (Krsna) is not a one-sided dominating impersonal dictatorial stagnant domain devoid of free will (freedom of voluntary expression), that does not allow personal contributions (offerings) to God (Krsna or Visnu), meant to expand, enrich and forever flavour the relationship.

As said above, love or service to Krsna is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence, it is always a "two-way" voluntary exchange. This means genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, and not one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in this "two-sided" affair of accepting Krsna or rejecting Krsna.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

The impersonalist foolish yogis want to become one with God which is not possible. Love is never one, it is only experienced when there is two. 

To a devotee of Krsna and Viṣṇu this impersonal philosophy is spiritual suicide. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense, proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it, that is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence that allows free will, that is force that denies free will!" (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all relationships with Krsna, that allows them to voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Him in their own way.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Devotee – "Is the original (eternal) spiritual body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible is it not? So God is also like the human form, here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body ifcI choose. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as flagpole, as chair, as chariot or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy)

As explained above, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna even though they can simultaneously express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that everything comes from Krsna, including free will-

Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each are part and parcel of God, thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity, that is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "But does the individual jiva-soul have that little independence to choose on their own?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, not without the sanction of Krsna first. Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva soul wants to act, Krsna firsts gives the orders of sanction. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Him we cannot do anything. Krsna is the ultimate cause of all causes."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying we have a little independence?"

Srila Prabhupada - "We have independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is confirming everything including free will comes from Krsna and He alone is the cause of all causes because it is His creation and everything is owned by Him.

Everything must first be sanctioned by Krsna because, as clearly said above, everything belongs to Krsna including the free will the individual jiva-souls have. 

Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna therefore, "not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord."..**





















Monday, November 24, 2025

Do the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) eternally have the freedom (free will) to voluntarily serve Krsna (God) the way they choose?

Or even choose not to serve Krsna if they want within His eternal Kingdom's known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana? 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The fact is, the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are the natural eternal home of the individual jiva-souls from where they have originated from without having any beginning point or cessation to their existence.

The original home of the individual jiva-souls is Krsna's eternal personal active devotional Kingdom of God based on voluntary contributions (selfless service), based on loving exchanges, reciprocation and cooperation with Krsna and never a "one-way" street of dictatorial demands or forced service. 

Ultimately, we are all Krsna's voluntary servants when acting in our original possition, and are very dear to  Kṛṣṇa however, that does not mean we have to give up our free will, our independent sense of unique personality or individuality to be Krsna's eternal friend and servant.   

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Free will in its full natural potential only fully exists in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (the perpetual Kingdom of God). 

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls who choose to leave Krsna's Abode and enter the temporary material world, experience their free will to be greatly restricted. 

Free will only minutely exists in the material world restricted to the human species, a variety of 400 thousand material bodily forms who are responsible for their own good and bad actions known as Karma, and never in the other 8 million species of life who act only on instincts and environmental influences rather than karmic reactions-

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating,

defending 

As already explained, free will exists fully in Krsna's Personal Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana and in Visnu's unlimited Vaikuntha planets, but not in the temporary material world. 

The individual jiva-souls in their subtle material bodies also never create karma in both the heavenly or hellish planetary, in both places they only experience their good or bad karma until exhausted then they again take birth on in the middle planetary system (Bhurloka or Earthly planetary system)

In the spiritual world, free will, or being allowed by Kṛṣṇa to voluntarily express one's self as they choose, is the natural constitutional make up of every individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) within the Kingdom of God. 

Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to have free will  in the spiritual world because if He didn't, then how can the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) voluntarily express themselves and choose how to love and serve Kṛṣṇa in their own unique way?

For real loving exchanges to exist with Krsna, He allows voluntary reciprocation and unique personal contributions from His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) making the relationship a "two-sided" selfless loving affair. In this way genuine love is can be exist with just one, it is always a "two-way" exchange of feelings, emotions and cooperation.

Loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange between two individuals with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows of service.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved in a cooperative relationship based on loving exchanges between two. Reciprocation has no meaning with just one.

Therefore impersonalism is understood in this way - the puppeter has total mind control over his puppets with his manipulating strings that control their every actions, they only act accordingly to what the puppeter does with his strings, the puppets have no thoughts of their own or or have any sense of an individual existence. Similarly, the individual jiva-souls are not like that, they are Krsna's mindless emotionless puppets or drones. 

Those who surrendering to a God in an impersonal way only become mindless puppets who are manipulated to only do what the puppeteer demands, without personal contributions of voluntary offerings. The fact is, this kind of surrender that denies free will is dangerous mayavadi philosophy that foolishly leads to spiritual suicide.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy or girl, My dear friend, My dear servant please come back home." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

The Kingdom of Kṛṣṇa is not a one-sided totalitarian dictatorship, it is nothing like that, Kṛṣṇa's genuine devotees think for themselves by planning in so many ways how to please Krsna, by voluntarily choosing to contribute to Krsna in their own unique way and surprise Krsna with their many provisions and offerings.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions, Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-soul's their free will, then they could never experience a two-way cooperative loving exchange of devotion with Krsna, therefore never knowing or experiencing what love really is. 

As explained above, loving exchanges is only possible on a "two-way" path where voluntary reciprocation and cooperation always exists between Krsna and His devotees (the individual jiva-souls), it is never a one-way or one-sided dictatorial dominating cold impersonal affair in Krsna's Abode (the Kingdom of God).

Without having loving reciprocal exchanges between "two persons" that are always voluntary, creative and unique from the individual jiva-soul's point of view, then how can loving emotions, personal contributions and unique loving service be expressed individually by each devotee?

Without free will and being encouraged to contribute one's own personal offerings based on the individual jiva-souls unique independent choices and personal offerings, one is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Even though the individual jiva-souls are eternally fully dependent on Krsna, they are also able to voluntarily express themselves independently from Krsna, as an individual contributing person, this gives them an independent unique voice as the independent persons they are within Krsna's spiritual world. 

In the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, there are no mindless puppet like impersonal personalities who are only told what to do, think and serve, which denies the individual devotees from offering their own unique voluntary contributions. 

The impersonal (mindless) collective of individual jiva-souls who are denied their free will, only exist in a bogus loveless emotionless Kingdom of God where they are always controlled, manipulated and denied the self-expression to voluntarily contribute in the unique way they choose that only exists in the real Kingdom of Kṛṣṇa (God).

Such mindless so called devotees who deny their free will, are non-contributing emotionless puppets that can never experience wonderful loving reciprocal exchanges and voluntary cooperation unique to each individual jiva-soul, they are unable to freely express themselves within God's "real" Kingdom (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana).

Without free will and voluntary participation in Krsna's Abode, loving exchanges can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, no one is forced to do something they do not choose to do or agree to do, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form from flower to human form if they choose, that is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as a chair, as a flag pole, as a blade of grass, as a cloud in the sky, as a tree, as water, as ground, as a pathway,  as a field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The fact is, free will or the ability to voluntarily choose what to offer to Krsna as a personal offering is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists fully in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana but not in the material world.

Therefore, freedom or "free will" means the individual jiva-soul always voluntarily choose how to serve Krsna, or even reject Him if they choose, there is always their choice. Krsna does not force the individual jiva-souls to surrender to Him, if He did, then that is not love, it is exploitation and force.

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington DC July 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but he still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows this because he has seen other thieves get punished and put in prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are unique independent living entities in the spiritual world who have their own personality, free will, unique character and a sense of independent self separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously eternally dependent on Krsna because He is the creator of all that there is.

In other words, Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes which includes the individual jiva-soul's free will that He allows just to create diversity and two-way exchanges. 

Krsna gives the individual jiva-souls their independence and "free will" so they can voluntary choose how to serve Him in their own unique personal way and not as He demands, or they can even reject Him if they choose. Without having this choice then genuine love can never exist.

This freedom allows the individual jiva-souls to always voluntary contribute their own unique offerings out of unconditional personal love, without the need of any pressure or force from Krsna or His devotees. 

There are always words of encouragement and suggestions from Krsna and His devotees however, they all must lead the devotee to discover their own unique personality and independent nature. 

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one, or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. "Love means two". There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Real love or service can only exist when free will allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in the loving devotional exchanges of their choice, and contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) will be permanent and never again will we fall down to the material world? 

Syamasundara dasa - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara dasa - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions on Henri Bergson philosophy).

Krsna always loves (serves) His pure devotees far more than they can ever serve Him and will never leave them even when they foolishly choose to leave Him and enter the temporary material world.

Thank you Srila Prabhupada for inspiring these realizations based on your wonderful teachings.*^^*.