Tuesday, October 15, 2024

The relationship with Krsna and His devotees in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" to think and act, and only do what they are told to in the name of surrender!

No, this kind of dangerous impersonal character destroying so called surrender, only denies the devotees to freely voice their personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and individual expressions of loving emotions that can only be experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Therefore, "free will" must eternally exist for Krsna's devotees because if Krsna denied "free will," then His devotees could not voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, creating a "two-way" exclusive exchange with Krsna which is the only way that leads to transformations based on loving reciprocation and character building returns. This is also because love can only exist in a relationship of two, and NEVER one.

In other words, Krsna allows "free will" so His dear devotees can uniquely express themselves in a loving way, with their own unique individuality, by voluntarily offerings their own thoughtful contributions to Him.

Actually, everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, who knows past, present and future, everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansion in unlimited different categories, He is always in control, but even for Krsna to experience loving exchanges, He MUST allow the individual jiva-souls to have free will in a "two-sided" voluntary exchange of feelings and emotions. 

So this always includes allowing His devotees to have their free will (freedom of voluntary self-expression, thoughts and actions) As said above, allowing the individual jiva-souls to have "free will" puts Krsna's entire creation in a PERSONAL "two-way" mode, and not a "one-way" IMPERSONAL dictatorship where "free will" does not exist. 

We must always remember everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, and is His creation and not a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna the Supreme Lord however, if Krsna denied the jiva-souls (His devotees) from expressing their "free will," then He would NEVER be surrounded by loving thoughtful devotees who depend on their expression of free will to independently love him (voluntary serve Him in a variety of ways) in their own unique way.

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal view point, with their own unique thoughtful contributing offerings without any influence from Krsna, this is what "free will" means. 

A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think, and how to act, and to only obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings to Krsna), without intelligent inquiry, will only make the devotee no better than dead stone, which is mindless selfish impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver forcing you to love Him. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Krsna wants His devotees to be personally creative and original in their independent voluntary personal contributions, friendship and service to Him in the spiritual world, and not be thoughtless, mindless and impersonal, and only told what to do and how to think in their so called "surrender" to Krsna.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees under the heading of surrender, where they voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way as separate individuals from Krsna, only then when personal contributions are encouraged, nurtured and personally acted upon, does REAL surrender to Krsna exists.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship between two, otherwise love can never exist. 

In this way, Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Him in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this only proves Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately, this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him, the devotees having their freedom of self expression (free will) must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees their independence or freedom of expression, then genuine loving voluntary exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open "two-way" exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from the puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship. This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions) 

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world, love can only exist when there is a "two-way" cooperative exchange of loving emotions, feelings and actions.

The is because genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one, there MUST be two engaging in cooperative loving exchanges!

The devotees have their personal offerings they want to serve and please Krsna with too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The words "reciprocation cooperation and exchanges" only have meaning when there are two involved, not one! 

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world meant also for those who reject Krsna.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" to think and act what they are only told, denying personal voluntary contributions, unique loving exchanges and an individual expression of loving emotions experienced in a cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Such a loveless stagnant unproductive one-sided mindless relationship of only obeying, is like machines on a factory floor devoid of life, where personal thoughtful individual unique contributions (life) is denied and rejected. 

Therefore, without a voluntary loving reciprocal "two-sided" cooperative exchange with God, only means the deluded devotee's "so called surrender" to his so called God, is really on the path of dangerous loveless spiritual suicidal impersonalism. 

This impersonal Kingdom of God, explained above, attained under the bogus heading of so called surrender to Krsna, MUST be rejected and seen as dangerous mayavadi teachings that will only extinguish the devotees unique personality, sense of independent self, and individual contributions under the bogus name of "surrender." 

Such a fool God and his useless Gurus and spiritual masters demand you surrender your "free will" and individuality and just be told what to do and think.

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always personally voluntarily productive, based on "free will" that allows a variety of personal unique creative voluntary contributions (offering) in an unlimited diversity of services to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges with Krsna exist that expand the relationship on a two-way front.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.÷×÷.















Monday, October 14, 2024

Srimati Radharani is not a jiva-tattva (jiva-soul) expansion of Krsna like us, She is non-different from Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "When Krsna wants to be attracted by a woman, He has to create such a woman from His own energy. That woman is Rādhārāṇī. It is explained by the Gosvāmīs that Rādhārāṇī is the manifestation of the pleasure potency of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When the Supreme Lord wants to derive transcendental pleasure, He has to create a woman from His internal potency and that women is Srimati Radharani." (SB, Canto 3 Ch 31 text 38, Purport)

Krsna divided Himself into "two" just so He could experience loving reciprocal exchanges with a women and gave Her the name Srimati Radharani. Love can never be experienced and realized with just one, there must be two hence - "Radha and Krsna." 

For even Krsna, love can never exist when there is just "one", there must "two" - Kṛṣṇa and His direct expansion Srimati Radharani.

His Visnu-tattva (direct expansions who are also God), and His separated individual jiva-tattva (jiva-soul) expansions, both also can only experience loving exchanges on a "two-way" plateform of mutual reciprocation and cooperation.

Krsna is likened to the original candle that lights all the other candles of the same (Visnu-tattva) luminosity.

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be "one" or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington D.C. July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

To experience loving exchanges and emotions with a women, Krsna divided Himself into two - Srimati Radharani and Krsna in different spiritual bodies.

Krsna wanted to experience loving emotions and affection with a women, this is why He divided Himself into "two" - Radha and Krsna, just so He could experience those loving exchanges.

Caitanya Caritamrita - "Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are "one and the same", but They have assumed two bodies. Thus They enjoy each other, tasting the mellows of love. The two transcendentalists Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are a puzzle to materialists." (CC Adi 4.56)

 Srila Prabhupada - "The description of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa from the diary of Śrīla Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī is a condensed explanation, but one needs great spiritual insight to understand the mystery of these two personalities. One is enjoying in two. Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the potent factor, and Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is the internal potency. According to Vedānta philosophy, there is no difference between the potent and the potency; they are identical. We cannot differentiate between one and the other, any more than we can separate fire from heat. Everything in the Absolute is inconceivable in relative existence. Therefore in relative cognizance it is very difficult to assimilate this truth of the oneness between the potent and the potency. 

The philosophy of inconceivable oneness and difference propounded by Lord Caitanya is the only source of understanding for such intricacies of transcendence. In fact, Rādhārāṇī is the internal potency of Śrī Kṛṣṇa and She eternally intensifies the pleasure of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Impersonalists cannot understand this without the help of a mahā-bhāgavata (great pure) devotee. The very name “Rādhā” suggests that Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is eternally the topmost mistress of the comforts of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. As such, She is the medium transmitting the living entities’ service to Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Devotees in Vṛndāvana therefore seek the mercy of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī in order to be recognized as loving servitors of Śrī Kṛṣṇa." (CC Adi 4.56, Purport)

Caitanya Caritamrita - "Among the gopīs, Śrīmatī Rādhikā is the foremost. She surpasses all in beauty, in good qualities, in good fortune and, above all, in love." (CC Ādi 4.214)

Srila Prabhupada - "The beauty of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī’s eyes forcibly devours the beauty of newly grown blue lotus flowers, and the beauty of Her face surpasses that of an entire forest of fully blossomed lotuses. Her bodily luster seems to place even gold into a painful situation. Thus the wonderful, unprecedented beauty of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is awakening in Vṛndāvana." (CC, Antya 1.169, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "The beauty of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is described as follows: 'Her eyes defeat the attractive features of the eyes of the cakorī bird. When one sees the face of Rādhārāṇī, he immediately hates the beauty of the moon. Her bodily complexion defeats the beauty of gold. Thus, let us all look upon the transcendental beauty of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī." (NOD, Ch 44)

Srila Prabhupada -"There is no comparison to Radharani's beauty and the luster of Her transcendental body. The so-called beauty of the moon has fallen on the ground in the presence of Radharani's beauty." (From Vrindavana by Srila Narottama das Thakura)

Srila Prabhupada - "Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī’s affection, Her exquisite beauty and good behavior, Her artistic dancing and chanting and Her poetic compositions are all so attractive that they attract the mind of Kṛṣṇa, who attracts the mind of everyone in the universe." (CC, Madhya 17.212)

Caitanya Caritamrita - "Rādhikā is the transformation of Kṛṣṇa’s love. She is His internal energy called hlādinī". (CC, Adi 4.59)

Srila Prabhupada - "Srimati Radharani's mind, senses and body are steeped in love for Kṛṣṇa. She is Kṛṣṇa’s own energy, and She helps Him in His pastimes. Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī is as fully spiritual as Kṛṣṇa. No one should consider Her to be material. She is definitely not like the conditioned souls, who have material bodies, gross and subtle, covered by material senses. She is all-spiritual, and both Her body and Her mind are of the same spiritual embodiment. Because Her body is spiritual, Her senses are also spiritual. Thus Her body, mind and senses fully shine in love of Kṛṣṇa. She is the personified hlādinī-śakti (the pleasure-giving energy of the Lord’s internal potency), and therefore She is the only source of enjoyment for Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Śrī Kṛṣṇa cannot enjoy anything that is internally different from Him. Therefore Rādhā and Śrī Kṛṣṇa are identical. The sandhinī portion of Śrī Kṛṣṇa’s internal potency has manifested the all-attractive form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and the same internal potency, in the hlādinī feature, has presented Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, who is the attraction for the all-attractive. No one can match Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī in the transcendental pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa." (CC, Adi 4.71 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has stated that devotional service attracts even Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa attracts everyone, but devotional service attracts Kṛṣṇa. The symbol of devotional service in the highest degree is Rādhārāṇī. Kṛṣṇa is called Madana-mohana, which means that He is so attractive that He can defeat the attraction of thousands of Cupids. But Rādhārāṇī is still more attractive, for She can even attract Kṛṣṇa. Therefore, devotees call Her Madana-mohana-mohinī—the attractor of the attractor of Cupid." (NOD, Ch 1)

Srila Prabhupada - "Rādhārāṇī is the internal potency of Krsna, we are the marginal potency (individual jiva-souls). Of course, originally, in that sense, everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansion. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. But even then there are different expansions. That is the difference between Māyāvāda philosophy and Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches acintya bhedābheda. We are always simultaneously one and different. Always. We should remember that, we are eternal expansion of Kṛṣṇa, we are expansion of Rādhā also because Rādhā is also expansion of Kṛṣṇa. But still, different. This is our philosophy - "One and different simultaneously, Acintya bhedābheda."

Caitanya Mahāprabhu's philosophy is "inconceivable simultaneously one and different". This is explained in the Seventh Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā. The energies and the energetic is the same. Śakti-śaktimator abheda. Just like sun and the sunshine, they are the same. There is no difference. But the molecules of the sunshine particles, that is not equal to the sun. These truths we shall always remember. Acintyāḥ khalu ye bhāvāḥ. Therefore these are inconceivable. We are simultaneously one with Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā, and at the same time different." (Lecture BG, Ch 4.5 Montreal, June 10, 1968)

Madhudviṣa Swami - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you spoke of inferior energy and superior energy. Those are two general categories. Are there other categories of energies besides that, and specifically how could we understand Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī? Is She..."

Srila Prabhupāda - "She is spiritual energy."

Madhudviṣa Swami - "But is She jīva-soul or?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, no, no, She is Kṛṣṇa. If everything is Kṛṣṇa, and Rādhārāṇī is not Kṛṣṇa, then what is that? No, She is Kṛṣṇa, She is the Kṛṣṇa's pleasure potency."

Madhudviṣa Swami- "She is not jīva?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, no, no. She is Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa divided Himself into His energy and Himself. That energy, original spiritual energy, is Rādhārāṇī, that is stated by Jīva Gosvāmī. Rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmāt. When Kṛṣṇa wants pleasure, He cannot accept the inferior energy. The same superior energy, Kṛṣṇa, is divided into two. That is Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. 

And again, when they unite, that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Divided, they are Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, and united, Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Śrī kṛṣṇa caitanya rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. Anya means another. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is combination of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. And when they are divided into two, that is Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. Rādhā kṛṣṇa praṇaya vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmād ekātmānāv api bhuvi purā deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau, śrī-caitanyākhyaṁ prakaṭam adhunā tad-dvayaṁ caikyam āptam [Cc. Ādi 1.5]. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combination. But He is playing the part of Rādhārāṇī to understand Kṛṣṇa. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu." (Lecture SB, June 6th 1974 Melb Australia)=*=



















Sunday, October 13, 2024

"Free will" eternally exists for Krsna's devotees because He allows it to be this way for a very special reason.

Krsna allows "free will" so His devotees can uniquely express their own individuality, by voluntarily making their own offerings or contributions to Him.

So how can Krsna's devotees (the individual jiva-souls or marginal living entities) live a separate existence from Krsna if they choose, when they are His minor expansions? In other words, why does Krsna sanction free will?

Actually, everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, who knows past, present and future, everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansion in unlimited different categories? He is always in control, including allowing His devotees to have their free will. 

We must always remember everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, and is His creation and not a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna the Supreme Lord. 

Actually, Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal view point, with their own unique thoughtful contributing offerings without any influence from Krsna. 

Krsna wants His devotees to be personally creative and original in their personal independent voluntary offerings, friendship and service to Krsna in the spiritual world, and not be like those mindless impersonal devotees who are always told how to think and act by only doing what they are told to do in their misunderstanding of what "surrender" really means.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees, where they voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way as separate individuals from Krsna.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship between two, otherwise love can never exist. 

In this way, Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Kṛṣṇa in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this will only prove Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Actually, the devotees having their freedom of self expression must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees (the individual jīva-souls) their independence (free will), then genuine loving exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open "two-way" exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from the puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form, who are indestructible and can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter two explains.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devot⁷ees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions) 

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world, love can only exist when there is a "two-way" cooperative willing exchange of loving emotions, feelings and actions.

The is because genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two. Love can never be experienced by just one, there MUST be two engaging in cooperative exchanges!

The devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) have their choices on how they want to serve and please Krsna too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one! 

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is NEVER a “one-way or one-sided” mindless place where the devotee is "forced" how to think and act which only denies personal contributions, loving exchanges and individual unique voluntarily shared emotions in a natural cooperative "two-way" relationship. 

Such a loveless stagnant unproductive one-sided mindless relationship of only obeying, is like machines devoid of life on a factory line, where personal thoughtful individual unique contributions are denied and rejected. 

Therefore, without a voluntary loving reciprocal "two-sided" cooperative exchange with God, only means the deluded devotee's "so called surrender" to his so called God, is really on the path of dangerous loveless spiritual suicidal impersonalism.

This kind of Kingdom of God in the name of Krsna or whoever MUST be rejected as mayavadi teachings that extinguish the devotees personality and individuality in the name of "surrender." 

Such a fool God and his useless Gurus and spiritual masters demand you surrender your "free will" and individuality and just be told what to do and think.

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always personally voluntarily productive, based on "free will" that allows a variety of personal unique creative voluntary contributions (offering) in an unlimited diversity of services to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges with Krsna exist that expand the relationship on a two-way front.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.<÷>.






Friday, September 27, 2024

Krsna encourages His dear pure devotees to be personally creative, inventive and original in their self expression, offerings, contributions, cooperation, friendship and service to Him, by being the individual unique productive independent person each devotee is.

This does not mean the devotee changes the basic teachings of the Krsna consciousness movement, no, those teachings are strictly followed in the foot steps of the great Acharyas. 

It only means presenting those eact same teachings in the devotees own unique way like Srila Prabhupada did when he departed from the Gaudiya Math, his Spiritual Master's organisation, and created and started his own world wide ISKCON movement (The International Society for Krishna Consciousness) 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form and can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible. 

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy, an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls, who have all existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist for the pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa if their association with Krsna, the Supreme Lord, was not voluntary in a "two-way" relationship based on mutual reciprocation and respect.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Respect must go both ways in a reciprocal loving relationship with Krsna in order to have genuine exchanges, loving reciprocation and unique voluntary service.

Actually, Krsna allows His devotees (individual jiva-souls) to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him devotee's personal point of view, with THEIR own unique creative offerings or contributions without any influence or force from Krsna. 

Krsna wants His dear pure devotees to be personally inventive and original in their offerings, contributions, cooperation, friendship and service to Him, by being the individual unique productive person each devotee is. 

And not just be a rules and regulations mindless yes man or women who only follow instructions and do what they are told to think and do.

That version above of the spiritual world is cold loveless impersonalism. 

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of voluntary loving exchanges with His devotees where THEY can express themselves in their own unique way as separate individuals from Krsna.

The relationship with Krsna and His pure devotees must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must be two for loving exchanges to exist. 

Therefore, Krsna gave His devotees (individual jiva-souls) their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to accept Kṛṣṇa, or even reject Him if they choose. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussion on Rene Descartes philosophy)

It must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave the devotees their freedom (free will) then genuine loving exchanges could never exist and Krsna would be no different from a puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, the pure devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form, who are indestructible, who can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished.

On the Vaikuntha planets and on Goloka-Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with His devotees, that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service) 

A "one-sided" relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the personal relationship with Krsna because in a "one-sided" relationship, the devotees are always told what to do and how to think and act that only denies the devotees their self expression and unique contributions.

As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence, the fact is, genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and contributions between two (Krsna and His devotees), NOT just one!

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) ALWAYS have their free will which means they can even even reject Krsna if they choose, otherwise having free will is meaningless.

In loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, where each contribute to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one! The devotees have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

The individual jiva-souls in their full potential as the Lord's pure devotees on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to always increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

It is a paradox that free will exists when Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction.

Many ask how can the individual jiva-souls live a separate existence from Krsna if they choose, when they are His minor expansions and are always part and parcels of Krsna? 

The fact is, EVERYTHING comes from Kṛṣṇa and expands from Him under different unlimited categories?

Krsna allows the devotee to have their free will because He wants to see unique independent expressions of love towards Him from the devotee's personal view point and unique offerings without any influence from Krsna, He wants them to be personally creative in their offerings, friendship and service to Him.

Real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity or dictatorship.

The pure devotee's relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

From personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by the devotees (individual jiva-soul) that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the pure devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the devotees independent expressions coming from their execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary unique offerings that will forever increase their loving emotions and intimacy with Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

The pure devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to forever increase their variety of devotional loving voluntary service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

The relationship between Krsna and His pure devotee's in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity.

The pure devotee's relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the individual jiva-souls. 

This cooperative relationship between Kṛṣṇa and His individual devotees, adds flavour, variety, integrity, intimacy and intigue to the association and relationship with Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of unique self expression (free will) and loving voluntary service.

A "one-sided" relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enriches and flavours the personal relationship with Krsna because in a "one-sided" relationship, the individual jiva-souls are always told what to do, how to think and how to act that only denies individual self expression.

As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence. The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and contributions between two, not just one!

The individual devotees always have a choice, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna. In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

From personal voluntarily contributions offered uniquely by the devotees different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, protection and endless gifts, encourages the individual devotees to express themselves in a "two-way" exchanged based on mystery, the seemingly unknown and unexpected dealings that only further enriches, intensifies and expands the loving exchanges and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique attempted personal contributions from the pure devotee's independent expressions coming from their unique free will, forever expands their personal ability to make personal voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving independent emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

Genuine loving exchanges or service is always a "two-way" street, it is never a "one-way" or a "one-sided" affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutal loving respectful voluntary exchanges between two, is not love at all, it is cold impersonalism.

Loving service can only really again exist when the conditioned jīva-souls in the material world in the rare human form of life, are trained up by the Spiritual Master to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotees, where they can again express their full potential who reciprocates fully with Kṛṣṇa in a "two-way" relationship of loving exchanges.

Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in its natural "two-way" relationship because it is based on those loving reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and His pure devotees (the individual jīva-soul.

The individual jiva-souls in their original position and full potential in their home in the spiritual world as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotess, have the same spiritual bodily features Krsna has in Vṛndāvana that is-

1 - Sat - eternal

2 - Cit - have all knowledge

3 - Ananda - always blissful

4 - Vigraha – as an eternal spiritual bodily form who is beginningless and endless.   

Of course in the material world these spiritual qualities mentioned above still exist yet restricted, they are covered by the material energy that includes being confined to a material bodily vessel numbering 8 million 400 thousand species of life.

Only via the human species (only 400 thousand different species) can the trapped individual jiva-souls find their way back home back to Godhead (the spiritual world) through the guidance of a spiritual teacher or master. 

The other 8 million species the jiva-souls are trapped in, have no free will at all and are instead controlled by the bodily instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsnas.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact.” (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia  May 20, 1975).÷.÷.













Tuesday, September 24, 2024

Is it a paradox that free will exists when Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and is in control of His creation's past, present and future?

Many ask how can the individual jiva-souls be independent and live a separate existence from Krsna, when they are His parts and parcels and minor expansions? 

Actually, Krsna, even though He is the Supreme controller of all that there is, purposely allows the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) to have their freedom of self-expression with voluntary thoughts and actions (free-will).

This is because Krsna wants to see from them as independent PERSONS with their own unique "seperate" expressions of love (service) towards Him, coming from the individual jiva-soul's personal unique view point without any influence from Krsna. 

Krsna wants them to be personally responsible and creative in their dealings, offerings, friendship and service to Him.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of voluntary loving exchanges with the jiva-souls where THEY can express themselves in their own way as separate individuals from Krsna.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one therefore Krsna gave the jiva-souls their freedom so they can voluntarily choose to accept Kṛṣṇa or even reject Him if they choose. 

It must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave the jiva-souls their freedom (free will) then genuine loving exchanges could never exist and Krsna would be no different from a puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will (unique self expression of voluntary offerings to Krsna) is dangerous impersonalism. 

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls are eternal independent spiritual living PERSONS, as an eternal spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Bodily Form, who are indestructible, who can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the individual jiva-souls, that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a one-sided dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service) 

A "one-sided" relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enrichs and flavours the personal relationship with Krsna because in a "one-sided" relationship, the individual jiva-souls are always told what to do, how to think and how to act that only denies individual self expression.

As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, not just one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too even if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one! The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

The individual jiva-souls in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana as the Lord's loving devotees, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity.

The individual jiva-soul's  relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

From personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by the individual jiva-souls that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a two-way mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual jiva-soul's independent expressions coming from their execution of their free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.