Tuesday, May 25, 2021

Srila Prabhupada – “Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism)

REAL love or service can ONLY exist in the spiritual world when “TWO” have a voluntary exchange based on reciprocation between each other.

All the jiva-souls (individual marginal living entities) are independent living beings with their own unique personality and identity that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously dependent on the energies of Lord Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

However, the jiva-souls have their own freedom (free will) eternally. 

This means the individual jiva-souls have the right to make their own choices that includes accepting or even rejecting Krsna.

In other words, Krsna does NOT force us to love Him and demand we only do what He wants.

This is because love or devotional service is NOT a “one-way" impersonal street of domination or dictatorship.

The jiva-souls can also voluntarily offer their own independent contributions to that Krsna does not  have direct control over, or interferes with.

If Krsna forced His will on the individual jiva-souls, then that is NOT love, that is "slavery" which is exploitation.

Love is based on “free will” which includes the right to make independent choices that may agree, or even disagree with Krsna.

Genuine loving emotions and devotional service can only exist on a “two-way" street between two individuals.

Our relationship with Krsna therefore, is based on loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna in a "two-way" exchange.

And that love can only exist when it is based on a “two-way” exchange of mutual respect and NOT forced by one individual, NOT even Krsna!

The living entities are NOT mindless drones in the spiritual planets that Krsna does all the thinking for!

No, Krsna is not like that at all, the fact is, the jiva-souls in their full potential in Goloka-Vrindavana or on the Vaikuntha planets, ALWAYS have their choices too on how to serve the Lord that Krsna only advices on.

If He forced the jiva-souls to only do what He demands, then loving voluntary exchanges could NEVER exist.

Love can only exist when there are two involved in a "two-way" exchange.

The jiva-souls are eternal individuals with their own sense of independent self, unique one of a kind personality and free will to choose their own contributions to offer to the Lord that are independent from Krsna's Personality and total control.

The jiva-souls in the spiritual planets are NOT mindless puppets on a string controlled impersonally by a puppet master (in this case Krsna or Visnu)

Again, no,  Krsna NEVER has a forceful demanding dictatorial relationships in a "one-way" impersonal manipulation of the jiva-souls in Goloka-Vrindavana (as Krsna’s friend) or in Vaikuntha serving Visnu (Narayana).

If Krsna forced the jiva-souls in anyway to just obey without them thinking for themselves, and choosing to voluntarily offer their own contributions, then that is not love or life, it is slavery and confinement.

The fact is Krsna does NOT want impersonal relationships like in Goloka-Vrindavana that are based on force, fear tactics bulling and threatening words to only way obey without inquiry or questions.

Our relationship is unique with Krsna and very personal, each jiva-soul has a different exchange with Krsna unique to them.

Therefore REAL love or service can only exist when TWO have voluntary exchanges based on reciprocation and mutual respect.

Devotee - "Why did Krsna give us "free will" if He knew we may miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Having "free will" or "freedom" is something never acquired, nor can ever be given up or surrendered in the spiritual world because free will is part and parcel of the constitutional makeup of every jiva-soul. 

"Free will" is eternally "part and parcel" of the jiva-soul's identity as a spiritual living entity and perpetually exists without beginning or end in the spiritual planets.

Therefore "free will" in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavan, which are the jiva-soul's original perpetual home and eternal position.

On the other hand, free will in the material creation is greatly restricted and only experienced minutely in the human species (400 thousand)

In all other species of life (8 million) in the material creation, there is no free will or the ability to enquire about the purpose of existence, there is only the "instincts" of 

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating,

defending.

So the human form (material bodily vessel) the jiva-soul has occupied, is very important because it is the most advanced species that can assist the trapped jiva-soul to get out of the material creation making it very, very rare.

There are 8 million 400 thousand species of life but only 400 thousand human species making the human form of life very rare.

Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him or love Him, they must choose for themselves, if He did force them to love Him, then that is NOT love, it is forced surrender, exploitation and abuse.

There is ALWAYS free will and choice in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, to accept or reject Krsna eternally.

Srila Prabhupada – "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "Having independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it "one-way only", that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Only impersonalist fools believe surrendering to Krsna means giving up your "free will" and unique personality and becoming Krsna's mindless "yes man/women" and puppet on a one-way street.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover, He loves you so much that He is trying to get you back, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy and girl, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB 6.1.1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world never means giving up your free will and independent identity and personality by allowing Krsna to control all your actions, deeds, words and thoughts.

No, the jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed mindless drones like that, who only obey and never contribute to their relationship with Krsna in their own special unique way, by thinking for themselves of how to please and serve Krsna in many different ways.

The eternal jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER lose their individuality, free will, independent identity and unique personality on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.

This is because free will allows the jiva-souls to have the individual ability of self expression that allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily offer their own personal contributions to Krsna.

Such a quality is unique in the character and personality of each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having "free will" can the jiva-souls express their unique personality and individual character by sharing their loving emotions and feelings with Krsna, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than dead mindless stone Prabhupada has said. 

Free will allows genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation to take place, and, as said above, without free will the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone.

That impersonal version of Krsna Consciousness MUST be rejected Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada – "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington DC July 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON with their own personality who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, the best way they can, or ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada has explained, Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-soul to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER exist unless there are voluntary reciprocal exchanges in a "two-way" exchange.

Srila Prabhupada – "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don’t give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don’t offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada – "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

A devotee once ask Srila Bhaktisiddhanta why was the jiva-souls granted "free will" when they could also misuse it?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta - "You are fighting for freedom. Don’t you know the value of having free will? Devoid of freedom the jiva-souls are only matter. Real freedom or free will therefore offers the jiva-souls souls the alternative to do either right or wrong."

Mahatama Gandhi once told the British authorities - 

"We want our freedom too."

The British authorities replied- 

"You are not fit to have self-government or freedom. When you are fit, we shall give it to you."

Gandhi then demanded - "We want the freedom to do right or wrong too."

So having one's freedom does not guarantee only acting in the right way; no, the choice must be there to also do wrong if on chooses, free will" means ALWAYS being able to choose to do "right or wrong."

Therefore, the possibility of also rejecting Krsna must ALWAYS be there too on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana because that's what "free will" means, "to have a choice!"

In this way, the jiva-souls always act on their "free will" in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Our first choice AFTER rejecting Krsna in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, is to dominate and imitate Krsna, it is that choice, due to free will, that causes the jiva-souls to enter the material temporary decaying creation and try to dominate.

And such a choice to enter the material creation has nothing to do with the influence of Maya and the material energy. 

This is because the material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

As a result of the rebellious jiva-soul's choice to reject Krsna, there relocation to the material creation begins to developed based on desire.

Srila Prabhupada has explained that the "original position" of the jiva-soul is always with Krsna in the spiritual world, engaged in a reciprocal relationship based on voluntary loving exchanges.

This is the jiva-soul's real eternal home and original eternal position.

As explained above, Maya can NEVER be blamed for the fall down of the jiva-souls from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to the material creation in anyway.

The cause of all fall downs is free will including the fall down of the gate keepers of the Vaikuntha planets Jai and Vijaya, who chose to offend the 4 Kumaras trying to enter Vaikuntha.

Maya, in her role as the personification of material energy, does NOT exist on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, therefore maya can NEVER tempt the jiva-souls in the spiritual world to forget Krsna or Visnu in anyway. 

The ONLY cause of fall down is "free will" and there is no other cause.

The jiva-souls have "free will" eternally on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana as part and parcel of their marginal constitutional make up as perpetual marginal living entities. 

The jiva-souls are always responsible for their choices and actions in both the spiritual planets and the material creation (while only in the human species when in the material creation as explained above).^^.

























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