Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)
Many scholars, historians and religionists have still not properly understood the eternal infinite position of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls), as being Krsna's eternal servant in their ORIGINAL infinite position and home in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets.
Of course, taking birth in the temporary mundane material creation is achieved by first choosing to leave one's real perpetual home in the spiritual world.
This means the individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) NEVER originated from an "inactive" clear sheet of "dormant" consciousness either, meaning they NEVER originated from an impersonal origin in the Brahman or Brahmajyoti effulgence nor from the Body of Maha-Visnu.
Srila Prabhupāda - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha (The Kingdoms of God) are the original home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) where there is NO repeated birth and death, decay or impermanence. This is because the individual jiva-souls do NOT occupy a material bodily vessel in the spiritual worlds that is always in a constant state of decay and in need of round the clock maintenance in the material creation.
The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were NEVER created or originated from any source including Krsna, and will NEVER cease to be, they have ALWAYS existed as Bhagavad-Gita As It Is tells us-
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30, 1983 edition)
All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons therefore there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)
The jiva-souls therefore are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces or extinguished because the individual jiva-souls are indestructible.
Also just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist without each other, similarly Krsna and the jiva-souls cannot exist without each other. "Nectar of Devotion" tells us.
An important point said above is the jiva-souls were NEVER born or NEVER created, nor will they ever die, only the outer material bodily vessel or container they are in decays, wears out and eventually ceases to function (dies) forcing the jiva-souls within the material body to leave that container and take another material bodily vessel while in the material world.
The individual jiva-souls are the passengers who temporarily occupy the material bodily vessel who will ALWAYS exist even when that material body wears out, decomposes and ceases to function.
This also means the jiva-souls never came from an "inactive clear sheet of consciousness" either that the impersonalist yogis or msyavadis preach.
The jiva-souls also never originated from tatastha-sakti, also a "conditioned state" outside the spiritual world that many religious groups wrongly preach.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha or "conditioned characteristics," and the spiritual worlds are the personal eternal "non-conditioned characteristics" (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavan)." (New York City, Dec 28, 1966)
Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."
Revatīnandana - "So that means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
The individual jiva-souls in their full spiritual personal potential have the same bodily features as Krsna (which describe anti-matter [life]),
sat,
cit,
ananda,
vigraha.
Which means-
eternity,
knowledge,
bliss,
Bodily spiritual FORM.
The individual jiva-souls did NOT originate from any impersonal dormant bodiless state in the impersonal (inactive) Brahmajyoti because they have no origin, the jiva-souls are beginningless and endless and were NEVER created as Bhagavad Gita AsIt Is teaches.
This obviously means all of us have already eternally experienced an unlimited number of material bodily vessels, from the very rich to the very poor, from the most famous to the infamous etc over infinity.
The full potential and original infinite feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is having a two armed, two legs bodily form like Krsna's Body.
Devotee – "Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God, I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"
Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first] Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are NOT the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation of the jiva-soul. The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul."
Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world too?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
Krsna NEVER interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even when they choose to reject Him otherwise free will would have no meaning.
Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will exists."
Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will, he can misuse his free will if he chooses. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes Philosophy)
Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, oh, this material world is very nice, "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and enjoy, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity. "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Also, it is NOT Maya and her material energy that causes the jiva-souls to fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana because there is NO material nature (Maya) in the spiritual world that forces the jiva-souls to leave Krsna or Visnu, but there is free will.
If the jiva-souls were not given a choice to stay or or not stay in the spiritual world, then having free will has no meaning.
Therefore only sentimental ignorant fools believe there is no possibility of falling down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana once there.
Maya's temptation from Her material energy do NOT exist on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana however, as said above, free will DOES eternally exist in the spiritual world that is part and parcel of the individual make up of all eternal jiva-souls which means they always have a choice of where to live.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that "Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?" I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned jiva-souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25th April 1970)
Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)
Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (BG lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsna Loka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna, as soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami in Melbourne Australia June 1972)
Acyutananda - "In the Bhagavad Gita Krsna says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world?"
Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary."
Acyutananda - ''He can return?''
Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, that independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)
Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down to the material world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free wil l, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will., But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).×<×.
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