Krsna (God) is the source of all things, nothing can operate or exist separate from Krsna, not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord.

So, how are the individual jiva-souls able to freely express themselves when everything is under Krsna's absolute control including past, present and future? 

Those foolish naive individual persons who only believe the ultimate goal of devotional service and meaning of surrender, is to be Krsna's mindless pawn or non-contributing puppet and "yes" men and women, who are only told what to do, and how and what to think, are practising impersonalism (spiritual suicide) to a genuine Vaisnava devotee.

Freedom of self-expression (free-will) must exist in the spiritual world for the eternal individual jiva-souls and allowed by Kṛṣṇa to permit and encourage the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily express themselves in a particular service they choose to do, and not chosen for them by Krsna. 

Each individual jiva-soul eternally has their own unique independent unique personality that allows them to forever voluntary expand their variety of devotional contributions to Krsna.  

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls always voluntary choose to serve Krsna in their own unique way, or can even reject Krsna if they choose. 

Without such freedom of expression, then genuine voluntary loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna can never exist.

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-souls their freedom of expression (free-will), which is being able to make voluntary contributions eternally, then their existence as a unique meaningful individual PERSON has no meaning at all, making them no better than dead stone or lifeless matter. 

The full devotional potential of the individual jiva-souls does not allow them to be mindless brainless puppets who are always controlled by the dictates and demands of an impersonal puppeteer.

Free will means one can choose to accept or reject Krsna otherwise the concept of loving exchanges is meaningless.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes).

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their independence and free will too just like Krsna does.

In other words, each individual jiva-soul has their own unique personality and character always separate and independent from Krsna's Personality and absolute control (although this is paradox because Krsna is the cause of all causes and not a blade of grass moves without His sanction). 

Krsna allows it to be be this to create diversities and a "two-sided relationship" between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna. 

If it was all "one-way traffic" without any diversity and independent contributions (offerings) uniquely coming from each individual jiva-soul without any interference in anyway from Krsna (that He personally allows so diversity eternally exists)

Therefore, even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and all living entities are fully dependent on Krsna, the paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their unique freedom too eternally.

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves freely in a "two-sided" voluntary affair of loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange with both the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa both contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows of devotional service. 

Yes, loving exchanges are only eternally possible on a "two-way street," meaning a cooperative spirit between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.  

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning and expressed as loving exchanges when there are two involved, not one! 

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in an open "two-sided" loving affair without being manipulated, used, bullied or controlled in anyway.

Also being able to reject Krsna proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having free will (freedom of expression) is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for the individual jiva-soul's voluntary relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means a relationship between "two persons", then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Even though Krsna allows the "freedom of expression" the individual jiva-souls have, it is really for His amusement, to see what they do with their eternal freedom of expression. 

Krsna at all times always has genuin eternal loving affection for His individual jiva-soul expansions (devotees) far more than they can ever have for Him. 

Yes, Krsna allows "free will" just to see what happens when the individual jiva-souls are given the freedom to voluntary make their own choices and decisions. 

And yes, some do choose to leave Krsna's association in the spiritual world and enter the temporary material world, and attempt to do as they please. 

Krsna always remains the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and all that is happening is also His divine plan.

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna cannot exist separately from His variety of living entities known as 

1 - Visnu-tattvas, unlimited direct expansions of Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

2 - Sakti-tattva as its full potential meaning - in this case refers to Srimati Radharani and Her unlimited expansions.  

3 - Siva-tattva, Lord Siva and his various expansions in the material world.

4 - The individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) or separated marginal living entities. Each individual eternal jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a unique one of a kind independent individual who has their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality, and all other individual jiva-souls.

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always is based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal cooperative feelings manifesting as loving acts of devotion between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who go on too voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will that does not deny the free will and voluntary offerings of each individual jiva-soul.

On the other hand, when actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering forceful mood from a "so called God or His representative" in His Kingdom, denies personal voluntary contributions expressed cooperatively as a "two-way" exchange of character building loving emotions, only leaves the individual jiva-souls became no better than dead useless stone explained by Srila Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be two. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, that independence has to be accepted, little independence, we can misuse that."(Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976).÷.

Remember, one's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is voluntary and reciprocal, only then does such an association and partnership have meaning because it is expressed as a "two-way" cooperative contributing exchange between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.

None of this silly primitive nonsense that you must live in fear of God (Krsna), and strive to be His mindless slave (servant) without taking satisfaction and dignity in personal contributions, offerings and service, or risk eternal damnation and hell.

That kind of ridiculous religious stupidity I rejected long ago, especially from nonsense fundamentalist impersonalists masquerading as devotees within my own ISKCON Religion.

Without "free will" one is just a mindless slave or "yes" man and women who only obey without questioning the "central committee" of a political system, a religious order or religious cult! 

Communism and socialism destroys individual self esteem, personal expressions and voluntary contributions (service) meant to enhance one's individual personality, and natural progression in a devotional growth that gives one a sense of belonging and self worth as a productive creative person who eternally make a difference with their unique contributions. 

Mindless socialism and communism therefore do NOT exist on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (the Kingdoms of God). 

Long ago I rejected any form of "socialism or communism" in my own religion, or any other religion and politics because many of these institutions stagnate one's ability to voluntarily be creative and share "personal" contributions that allows one to reach their full devotional potential, by adding (contributing) unlimited variegatedness to the society one lives in, including the Kingdom of God (Krsna and Visnu).

This means one's personal individual servitude relationship with God, is always reciprocal and voluntary.

Yes, service to God is always a "two-way street," and NOT a "one-sided" domineering control of His devotees that denies personal unique contributions. Such an unproductive relationship is cold loveless impersonalism.><

Without "free will" one is just a mindless slave or "yes" man and women who only obey, without questioning, the "central committee" of a political system, religious order or religious cult!

Communism and socialism destroys individual self esteem, personal expressions and voluntary contributions (service) meant to enhance one's individual personality, and natural progression in a devotional growth that gives one a sense of belonging and self worth as a productive creative person who eternally make a difference with their unique contributions. 

Mindless socialism and communism therefore do NOT exist on the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (the Kingdoms of God). 

Long ago I rejected any form of "socialism or communism" in my own religion, or any other religion and politics because many of these institutions stagnate one's ability to voluntarily be creative and share "personal" contributions that allows one to reach their full devotional potential, by adding (contributing) unlimited variegatedness to the society one lives in, including the Kingdom of God (Krsna and Visnu).

This means one's personal individual servitude relationship with God, is always reciprocal and voluntary.

Yes, service to God is always a "two-way street," and NOT a "one-sided" cold hearted domineering control of His devotees that denies personal unique contributions. Such an unproductive relationship is stagnant loveless impersonalism.

Remember, one's relationship with God is voluntary and reciprocal, none of this silly primitive nonsense that you must live in fear of God and always be His slave (serve Him without taking pride in personal contributions) or risk eternal damnation and hell.

That kind of ridiculous religious stupidity I reject, especially in my own Vedic religion!**.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternally a spiritual bodily form fully realized and expressed in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana which are their natural eternal homes.

Each individual jiva-soul has their our own unique identity, personality, character and personal relationship with Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, who they voluntarily serve the way they choose.  

It is important to understand the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless as confirmed in Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2.

Therefore, there is no limitations to what the eternal individual jiva-souls can experience because the stage is infinity.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?"

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed."(BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?"(BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Surrendering to Krsna via His pure devotee does not mean one needs to extinguish their unique identity, individuality and personality. 

To attempt to do so is spiritual suicide and impersonalism. 

All individual jiva-souls are independent unique PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form who voluntarily choose to contribute in their own unique way in their service and relationship with Krsna. 

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world to have their free will because He wants to see their unique independent expressions of reciprocal love with Him from the individual jiva-soul's point of view while making their personal offerings to Krsna.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa always wants a mutual cooperative contributing complementary relationship of voluntary loving exchanges with His dear devotees. 

Krsna is never like a controlling puppet master with His intimate devotees, where the puppet master manipulates and controls everything his puppets do and thinks which only denies individual self expression and personal contributions.

Such a mindless existence without the free will, or having the unique ability of self expression that allows voluntary personal offerings to Krsna, is dangerous impersonalism, therefore love or service can only exists in a "two-way" exchange with Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Free will allows Krsna's devotees to express themselves as separate individuals from Krsna, with their own unique voluntary contributions and service.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also an individual person as you are individual person, I am individual person, but the difference between God and you and me is this, that you know your business, I know my business, but God knows everyone's business. That is the difference." (Lecture Melb, Australia April 3, 1972) 

Krsna also allows His devotees in the spiritual world to continually re-invent themselves with their own voluntary unique contributions, this allows diversity, meaning an unlimited range of variegatedness in one's personal service to Krsna, that is forever expanding their progressive contributions and infinitely expanding their participation in an unlimited variety of unique ways in His never ending expanding pastimes (lilas)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. It never achieved by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that - ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Lecture, Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is always voluntary, some devotees desire to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower voluntary, and can change from flower to unlimited forms in the spiritual world including human form if the devotee desires, that is spiritual life, it is always voluntary with no restrictions. If a devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

On the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, only voluntary service occurs because such willing service initiates loving reciprocal exchanges between the Lord and His devotees in a "two-sided" loving exchange. 

This unique quality of free will allows individual acts of self-expression which are personal unique offerings to the Lord.

Real love or service is based on a "two-way" exchange where the student Vaisnava is carefully nurtured to eventually achieve the personal goal of voluntary loving contributions that are the foundations of pure devotional service.

Such loving exchanges can only be fully expressed when the individual jiva-souls realize they each have their own independent characteristics and unique personality endorsed by Krsna. 

Without free will, one would never have the vision to intelligently contribute in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or increase and expand one's awareness of who they are as a contributing individual devotee and friend of the Lord.

Having "free will" therefore is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul), and the foundation for all individual jiva-soul's voluntary contributing to their relationship with Krsna.

Loving devotional service is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering mood that do not encourage personal voluntary contributions, is dangerous impersonalism.

Personalism and devotional service is only possible in a "two-way" exchange of feelings and emotions that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna however, they must have their freedom and independence so they can be a contributing individual, otherwise the jiva-souls (devotees), are no better than impersonal puppets controlled by a puppet master.

Therefore, the individual jiva-soul's independent personality, identity and free will allows diversity and independent self expression, allowing the individual jiva-souls to make their own contributions or offerings, and even allows them to reject Krsna if they choose.

All these conditions must be allowed to exist otherwise voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna can never exist.

Krsna will always allow a separate existence for His marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) endorsed with free will, or the freedom of self expression and action.

This allows them to have their own unique personality for the purpose of creating a "two-way" voluntary exchange of individual loving expressions that encourage unique contributions and personal offerings.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls (devotees) to independently voluntarily express themselves separately from Krsna, allowing them to express their own unique personality.

This gives the individual jiva-soul's exitence personal responsibility, purpose, creativity, hope, identity, a unique stand alone personality, allowing personal contributions of self-expression that makes the individual jiva-souls the independent persons they are eternally. 

These qualities establish the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) as independent persons, as a spiritual bodily form whose eternal home are the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, within Krsna's eternal endless pastimes. 

In the spiritual world personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotee (the jiva-souls), this adds variegatedness, flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

The Kingdom of God therefore, is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (freedom of expression), that does not allow personal independent contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich, flavour and add mystery to the relationship.

Genuine loving relations and service are always based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, not just one. The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence. That is force."(Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in their own unique way in a "two-sided" affair. 

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way street" between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

Loving relationships can never be experienced or realized by just one alone, there must be two involved in a "two-way" reciprocal exhange as explained above. Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows. 

The impersonalists can never experience loving exchanges for the following reason- 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "An individual spiritual body is not formless; it is a different type of body, of which we cannot conceive with our present mundane material senses." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 9 text 32, Purport)

The individual jiva-souls can also fall to an inactive or dormant state called the impersonal brahmajyoti, but they certainly do not originate from there, or can eternally remain there because the nature of the jiva-soul is to be always active in the service of the Lord.

Entering the impersonal brahmajyoti or brahman is also only a temporary relief for the eternal jiva-souls who enter there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world and trapped in the cycle of repeated birth and death.×××.

ISKCON today on March 22, 2025, is still in its very early immature pioneering years of attempting to introduce Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu's great sankirtan to the entire world.

The present immature inexperienced leaders in ISKCON, still have a lot to learn about genuinely caring and guiding the spiritual welfare of all aspiring devotees of Krsna and offer encouragement and love.

Remember, all aspiring devotees have voluntarily given their life to ISKCON, without wanting any financial payment, (at least it was like that in the beginning years of ISKCON)

Each aspiring fragile devotee deserves to be treated with respect and kindness, otherwise, if a young devotee is treated badly, then that devotee will go on and treat others badly too, this I saw and experienced over the years.

In other words, leading devotees and sannyasis should learn how to properly support, nurture and inspire ALL devotees and congregation with respect and encouragement, so they can voluntarily choose to serve in their own unique capacity. 

No two individual jiva-souls (devotees) are the same, each are unique in front of Guru and Kṛṣṇa.

If this reassurance of self-confidence, where the aspiring devotee is always being nurtured, given confidence and encouraged to voluntary contribute as the individual unique servant of Krsna they really are, is achieved by the ISKCON leadership today, then each young aspiring devotee will be inspired to offer their very best service.

Instead of being forced with hash and often threatening words and demands to artificially surrender, to only do what you are told to do without personal contributions, or risk getting cleverly kick out of ISKCON for not being their "yes" man or women.

It is a fact many have been cleverly forced to do as they are told by being bullied and impersonally humiliated into submission in front of others, by breaking one's individual spirit really meant to voluntary offer your own personal unique contributions. 

Such humiliating dress down is openly and coldly done in front of other young impressionable devotees by these immature ISKCON so called leaders, including a sannyasi GBC bully, instead of being taken aside and spoken to privately, confidentially and caringly. 

So much damage was done by these immature nonsense ISKCON leaders over years, that left life long impressions on all those who heard them belittling and putting down devotees often making them the butt of jokes, who gave their life to Prabhupada with out any desire for any payment. 

Many were often impersonally and repeatedly treated like this over the years in ISKCON in Australia, one devotee in front of others was told by a nonsense sannyasi to put his head in the toilet and pull the chain, or would bring up a confidential letter Prabhupada personally wrote to one devotee chastising him, using it to humiliate him and put him down in front of others in a class saying, "You should see the letter Prabhupada wrote him."

Such nonsense impersonal bullying only destroys the aspiring devotee's fragile emotions of self-respect, self-expression and finding the encouragment and confidence to offer their own individual unique voluntary contributions.

So many leaders in ISKCON over the years have cleverly used hash threatening nasty belittling words to destroy the character of many young devotees, by breaking down their individual attempts of personal achievements by making them feel worthless and useless without them, just so they have control under their bogus heading of "surrender prabhu!" 

This I witnessed and experienced many times over the years, and they know who they are.

Such impersonal treatment of an aspiring devotee over the years only deadens their character, destroys self esteem, self confidence and self worth. 

Sadly, this happened way too much over the years in ISKCON. 

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from them, but you don't give anything in return. Oh, do you think that is very good? No, it is not good to use people like that, that is not love, it is exploitation! If I go on simply taking from you, and don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation not love!” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)×^^×