Friday, May 30, 2025

Each jiva-soul (individual living units of anti-matter) known as Krsna's marginal energy, are singular one of a kind individual persons, who each have their own unique personality and spiritual bodily form, different from all other personalities, including Kṛṣṇas.

There are no two individual jiva-souls who are the same, and no individual jiva-soul can ever be equal to Krsna (God), the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, who is simultaneously an individual Person, and is all-one (all-pervasive) with His spiritual and material creations. 

Genuine loving devotional service to Krsna is only possible in a "two-way" cooperative exchange of voluntary feelings and choices, that only then can lead to loving acts of reciprocation and mutual returns.

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls to be independent contributing persons in His creation who forever have free will.

The highest love means both Krsna and His devotees serve each other without any desire for returns or reward. 

In fact, even though it is said the individual jiva-souls are Krsna's eternal servants in their full potential, the fact is, Krsna serves His pure devotees far more than they can ever serve Him.

Krsna is the most selfless, the most humble, the most forgiving, the most serving, we tend to forget how loving Krsna is, to His pure devotees. 

For every step the devotee makes towards Krsna, Krsna makes a thousand towards them. Krsna's love for His devotees is inconceivable and deeply personal.

The devotees voluntarily contribute their services and offerings to Krsna, unique to each individual devotee in response to Krsna's love and attention He showers them with. 

These kinds of selfless loving expressions are given in return to Krsna because of Krsna's amazing love, affection, protection and the wonderful attention He always gives to His dear friends and companions, His loving devotees.

These forever expanding "two-way" loving expressions of feelings, emotions and exchanges going on between Kṛṣṇa and His pure devotees, is the real understanding and foundation of what devotion and surrendering to Krsna's will really is.

The simple understanding is this, love is never possible with just one, for love to exist their must be two involved, if you love someone then you always do nice things for them and those they love.

This is only possible between two, the lover and the beloved and NEVER possible within a one-sided impersonal loveless existence. 

Love has no meaning with just one, there must be two experiencing the interactions of loving exchanges. 

On the other hand, for free will to have meaning (freedom of expression), the individual jiva-souls (devotees) can also completely reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

This "two-way" scenario, means the individual jiva-souls can except or reject Krsna if they choose. This is eternally sanctioned by Krsna, to allow "free will" to exist for the purpose of establishing a "two-way alternative" so the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in the way they choose, including living separate from Krsna if they want.

For "free will" to truly exist, the ability to make one's own individual choices, good or bad, are an eternal constitutional option and voluntary selection each individual jiva-soul always has. 

Even though everything is ALWAYS under Krsna's control due to Him being the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, He allows this independent nature to be real for the purpose of encouraging individual unique personal contributions from His devotees.

Otherwise, if it was only a "one-sided" impersonal "autocracy" that demands the devotees to only obey Krsna without personally participation and voluntary contributions, then the relationship is based on impersonalism that denies personal participation, mutal cooperation and individual contributions from Krsna's devotees. 

The devotees also share unique convictions and realizations with Krsna, and engage in reciprocal interactions with Him 

Without the devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) being able to fully express themselves in the spiritual world with Krsna, would only leave a "one-sided" impersonal loveless singular overwhelming viewpoint, which is a domineering dictatorship.

If such an impersonal loveless "one-sided" relationship existed between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees explained above, it would mean the devotees could never act voluntarily in a service of their choice, that allows them to be creative with their own thoughts and actions meant to please  Krsna, that simultaneously forever expands all loving exchanges and interactions in a "two-way" union with Kṛṣṇa in the spiritual world. 

This is the correct meaning of personalism and surrendering to Krsna's will. Such surrender to Krsna does not mean the devotees lose their free will, or right to choose what service they want to voluntarily contribute. 

The spiritual world has always been a "two-way" street based on loving exchanges voluntary shared between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.  

It is an impersonalist existence for those living like a mindless unproductive puppet, that are always controlled by the manipulations of a puppet master. 

Such a one-sided manipulation means those who live like an mindless unproductive non-contributing puppet, are only always told what to do, and how to think, instead of being educated on how to think for themselves by contributing to their relationship with others in a two-way reciprocal exchange, that allows loving voluntary contributions to a relationship exist. 

The pure devotees of Krsna are therefore not mindless puppets that act only by the manipulative strings controlled by the puppet master, cancelling out their own voluntary actions and thoughts. 

The devotees of Kṛṣṇa do NOT become like those mindless impersonal puppets like that, where "so called surrender" to Krsna's desires and will means all their thoughts and actions come under Krsna's complete control, no! That is NOT what surrender to Krsna means! That autocratic manipulation is impersonalism!

The devotees of Kṛṣṇa are eternal unique independent PERSONS who think for themselves as the individual servant of Krsna they eternally are, who voluntary contributes in their relationship with Krsna the way they choose, in a "two-way" exchange that forever expands the interactions of loving emotions going on between Kṛṣṇa and His genuine devotees.

Personalism means the pure devotees of Krsna are always able to provide the unique individual creative contributions and independent voluntary expressions they choose and then shared with Krsna in a "two-way" reciprocal inspirational relationship.

Such deliberate interactions between two is the only way of allowing loving exchanges to flourish and grow and have positive meaning, establishing free will as the foundation of all interactions between two that instigates genuine loving exchanges. 

Love can never exist when there is just one, there must be two.

To experience loving exchanges, even Krsna divided Himself into two individuals just so He could experience His love for Srimati Radharani, Krsna's eternal consort.

Radharani and Krsna are one appearing as two individual spiritual bodily Forms, and together as one, they are the spiritual bodily form of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Not easy to comprehend. 

This deep understanding requires Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's benediction, mercy and dedicated devotion to correctly understand, beginning with finding, then serving, a genuine Spiritual Master who can guide the fallen individual jiva-soul in the material world, back home back to Godhead. 

Without the basic principle of being nurtured and guided to the spiritual platform to eventually experience genuine voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna or Visnu in a "two-way" cooperative return, then there can never be genuine loving exchanges, voluntary service or freedom of self-expression.

These qualities of giving and receiving can only exist due to the freedom of self expression that each devotee is blessed with, where the individual devotee is always able to voluntary contribute "within" the relationship with Krsna in His pastimes, where the relationship with Krsna is always a "two-sided" exchange between two.

The spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, are NOT a "one-sided directive" totalitarian autocratic loveless dictatorship.

Emotions expressed from only one individual person without the acknowledgement and acceptance of a second individual person who contributes to the decision making with their personal contributions, is known as impersonalism.

For love to exist, there are always "two-way" exchanges of feelings and emotions going on between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees that expand, enriches and adds mystery within the relationship.

This is only possible when two-sided loving exchanges, reciprocation and cooperation flourish. 

The fact is, loving affection, sentiment and exchanges can only be experienced between two, where giving and receiving is possible, that allow mutual reciprocation and fondness to exist between the loved and the beloved.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already the lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back home back to Godhead, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt, "Please, My dear boy, girl or friend, My dear servant, please return home." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

The spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are not a dictatorial "one-way" impersonal directive, or a domineering demanding dictatorship that denies individual personal voluntary contributions due to Krsna doing all the thinking and decision making for the devotee. No, the spiritual planets are not impersonal or emotionally stagnant like that.

The fact is, on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdoms of God) there are always loving exchanges, cooperation, personal unique individual contributions based on "free will", and loving enriching reciprocation going on between Krsna and His devotees, because without these attributes, there can never be an exchange of spiritual loving emotions and feelings.

Love can never exist with just one, there MUST be two.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Therefore, loyalty is always a "two-way street," where the individual devotees (jiva-souls) have their unique personality that is seperate from Krsna's Personality. 

In this capacity, the devotees are able to add their own personal unique expressions and actions into the relationship with Krsna, meant to please Him, that expands and forever enhances, enriches and adds intrigue and mystery into one's endless friendship with Krsna. 

Krsna will never "force" His devotee to do what he/she does not choose to do on the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavana, because His dear pure devotees are NOT mindless "yes" men or women who are controlled in every way like a puppet master impersonally controls his mindless puppets with the movement of strings. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver, ‘you love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

So, surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotees is never impersonal, it does not mean you have to give up your intelligence, free will, individuality, and having the awareness of being an independent unique contributing person you are eternally.

The spiritual worlds are not an impersonal domineering mindless totalitarian stagnant place for the individual jiva-souls, where they can never experience love (loving exchanges shared two-ways), encouraged or taught to give to and recieve equally, sharing their loving emotions, unique expressions and contributions, and not just obey and told what to do and think. 

No, the Kingdom of God is not impersonal like that in anyway, there is always voluntary loving exchanges going on in a two-way exchange, that enhance, encourage and allow expressions of personal feelings and emotions, based on loving reciprocation between Krsna and His pure devotees, to forever expand in an unlimited variety of voluntary ways.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotee want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower, I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, and become a flower, voluntarily. And one can change from flower to any bodily form including human body, that is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

One's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is never a one-sided master/slave mindless none contributing dictatorship as explained above,  Srila Prabhupada is telling us here.

The individual jiva-souls in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding their unique expressions of service with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings made possible because of free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love, love means there must be somebody else to share it with, love cannot be one, or cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one to share loving exchanges with. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction is complete, then there is love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from them, but you don't give in return. Oh, do you think that is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, it is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you and don't offer you anything in return, then that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already the lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back home back to Godhead, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt, "Please, My dear boy, girl or friend, My dear servant, please return home." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

As explained above, real love or bhakti is reciprocal, and exists due to voluntary loving exchanges, it is never a one-sided domination where so called surrender to Krsna takes away the devotees individual freedom to voluntarily provide a variety of unique personal contributions (offerings) to Krsna, or even reject Krsna if they choose.

Therefore, each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, yet always simultaneously dependent on Krsna because Krsna is the Supreme God behind everything and therefore the cause of all causes. 

As Bhagavad Gita As It Is says, "Not a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord."

The individual jiva-souls are an eternal separate personality from Krsna's Personality. This means they having their own sense of self responsible for their own actions. 

The individual jiva-souls are unique individual persons, each person has their own unique sense of independent self eternally, that Krsna allows for the purpose of creating a "two-way" reciprocal universe based on voluntary exchanges, free will and diversity where the individual jiva-souls are always responsible for the choices they make, deserving the reactions to those choices.  

These attributes are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entity (jiva soul) making each of them the unique "PERSON" they eternally are.

"Free will" in its full potential is only fully experienced on the Vaikuntha planets and on Krsna'a central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavan where Krsna allows voluntary progessive cooperative creative loving exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jiva-souls (devotees), as the foundation to principle of the eternal spiritual worlds, which are the individual jiva-souls original perpetual home.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is his free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad, but still he does it, that is his free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he knows he will be eventually punished, he knows; he has seen other thieves get caught and punshed and put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and devotees on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect me from thinking independently from Him?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy and demand to them, "You love me, you love me, you love me!" Is it love? "You love me, otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Krsna does not want followers who deny others their right to choose for themselves on how they want to serve Krsna, by offering their own unique personal contributions, or even rejecting Krsna if they choose as Prabhupada explains above.

There is always a choice and that is why "free will" always exists in God's Kingdom otherwise we are no better than dead emotionless stone.

The spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are personal Kingdoms based on loving exchanges and cooperation between Krsna and His devotees, it is never a "one-way" demanding forceful relationship.  

Ultimately, we are all Krsna's servants and very dear friends and companions however, that does not mean we have to give up our free will and individual identity to be Krsna's friend and servant.

The conclusion is, of course free will does exists in Goloka Vrindavana and on the Vaikuntha planets, and is part and parcel of the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul).

And yes, Krsna always allows free will because if He didn't, then how can loving exchanges ever exist?

So why must the individual jiva-souls have free will?

Srila Prabhupada has made it clear, it is only by Krsna’s sanction and approval the jiva souls have anything including their free will, so how do we understand this? 

The fact is if Krsna denied the jiva-soul's there free will then we are no better than dead stone.

Without free will the individual jiva-souls can never experience loving exchanges or emotions because ultimately love is a "two-way" exchange of personal feelings only experienced when there is voluntary contributions in a two-way exchange that can only work when there is free will. 

Genuine love can never be experienced in a "one way" totally controlled environment run by Krsna or anyone. Such impersonal control of an individual is called slavery.

Emotions expressed in a "one way" mood without any exchange between ,"two" is not love at all, it is selfishness, and is really dangerous impersonalism.

Therefore without free will, without being allowed to contribute personal offerings and have independent choices, even though fully dependent on Krsna, the jiva soul will never experience wonderful loving exchanges, reciprocation and their personal unique offerings of individual contributions to Krsna.

As Prabhupada says, without "free will" we are no better than dead stone!

“Free will” or the ability to “choose” is eternally part and parcel of the jiva souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists without beginning or end in all the spiritual planets.

As said above, free will in its full potential only exists on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, which are our original perpetual home from where we originated from.

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls is never a "one-way" domineering dictatorial relationship that denies personal contributions and choices.

No, love is always based on the reciprocation and loving returns between two because love can only exist when there are two exchanging loving emotions and feelings for each other as Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person who can choose for themselves to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him. 

As Prabhupada explains here, Krsna never forces you to surrender to Him, never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary. Love is reciprocal, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?" Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

The individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individual ideas with personal offerings based on free will, inspired by selfless loving exchanges and  reciprocation with Krsna, it is never a one-sided master/slave relationship with God in His Kingdom.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own autonomous personality separate from Krsna's Personality, having their own sense of independent self, and unique characteristics that each individual jiva-soul uniquely has, meaning no two other individual jiva-souls are the same. 

Each eternal jiva-soul is a unique individual with their own personality.  

All these qualities are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up in the spiritual worlds as the independent unique "PERSON" they are eternally.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence." (Conversation Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Having the attributes of being an eternal PERSON also includes having free will as part and parcel of the jiva-souls constitutional make up.

Krsna does not want to be surrounded by mindless drones who have no individual offerings to voluntary contribute, or have no personal offerings they choose to offer that expands, enriches, adds mystery and enlivens the relationship of loving exchanges with Krsna.^÷^.















The impersonalist yogis, materialist, scientists, scholars and devotees reject Kṛṣṇa being an "eternal individual Person" as a spiritual bodily Form who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Most impersonalist have the incorrect knowledge that wrongly tells them, the life force in the material bodily vessel (known as the jiva-souls who are eternal individual units of indestructible anti-matter), once free from a material bodily vessel, merges back into the "oneness of an all-pervasive life force or universal consciousness," 

Just like when air is released from a container and becomes "one" with the air around it, or when water is released from a container, merges back into a "oneness" of an ocean of water.

They do not accept the fact that the "life force," or individual units of living spiritual energy (anti-matter), is a collection of unlimited individual jiva-souls existing as active eternal spiritual bodily forms in their full potencial in the spiritual world, headed by Krsna, the Supreme individual Person (God) who is the cause of all causes. 

The impersonalist do not accept Kṛṣṇa, Visnu, Siva or their representatives, they eventually only seek one desire after becoming fed up existing, to end all activity and cease to exist by attempting to permanently enter the impersonal inactive bodiless brahmajyoti and never fall out of the "inactive impersonal dormant brahmajyoti" which is attempted spiritual death or voluntary suicide.

They know that presently their impersonal beliefs allow them to enter the impersonal brahmajyoti, where they can remain there for trillions of life times of Lord Brahma.  

However, eventually they MUST again fall down from their and take birth in the material world, because the eternal original nature of the individual jiva-souls, is they are always "active" in their natural eternal constitutional original spiritual position in Krsna's service, as an eternal spiritual bodily form in Goloka Vrindavana (Krsna's Abode) or in the Vaikuntha planets (Visnu/Narayana's Abode) in the spiritual world.

Or can, if they choose, continue trying to enjoy separate from Krsna in their unnatural position "active" in the material world, covered by a temporary material bodily container or vessel [form] 

There are 8 million 400 thousand species of material life (bodily forms) the fallen individual jiva-soul can enter.

The impersonalist do not want to be "active" in either the spiritual or material worlds, they prefer not to exist at all by extinguishing their individual existence, denying the existence of God and their own unique personality, and instead being under the illusion by entering the impersonal brahmajyoti,  they have become "one" with everything, which is ignorance,impersonalism.

However, this illusion of becoming one with God, is NOT possible, because "anti-matter," who the individual jiva-souls are eternally, is not all-pervasive from the individual jiva-soul's stand point.

Although the individual jiva-souls (individual units of anti-matter) can remain "bodiless" as an individual spiritual inactive spark for trillions of life times of Lord Brahma dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti.

Whether the jiva-souls are active as their spiritual bodily form, or inactive as a spiritual spark in the impersonal brahmajyoti,  they ALWAYS remain individual units of anti-matter.  

Even over the vast time span of multiple Brahma's life times (each Brahma lives for 311 trillion and 40 billion human years), in the face of Krsna's wonderful creation, is only a blink of an eye. 

Eventually those deluded individual jiva-souls dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti, again re-emerges from its inactive slumber state and again becomes "active" by taking birth in the material world. 

Those impersonalist who have rejected Krsna and Viṣṇu and want nothing do do with the Vaikuntha planets of Visnu/Narayana, or Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana, attempt to seek out a permanent end (spiritual suicide) to their existence because all their experiences in the temporary material world (matter) always ends in pain and suffering.

However, the individual jiva-souls attempts to permanently end their individual spiritual existence is never possible because they are indestructible. 

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Although, the fallen individual jiva-souls can reside in the impersonal brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time as explained above however, as also explained, they can NEVER remain there eternally. 

In other words, the impersonalists want their identity and personality permanently extinguished, but that is not possibe. 

In fact not even Kṛṣṇa, Visnu or Siva can grant this foolish attempted spiritual suicide by the fallen individual jiva-souls because, as said above, the eternal nature of the individual jiva-souls in their original position, is to be eternally fully "active" in Krsna or Visnu's pastimes.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Existence in the impersonal brahman (being inactive and identity extinguished) is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and is also only a temporary condition (because the nature of the soul is to be always active in Krsna's pastimes.) Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also an individual person eternally as you are individual person eternally, I am individual person, but the difference between God and you and me is this, that you know your business, I know my business, but God knows everyone's business. That is the difference." (Lecture Melb, Australia April 3, 1972)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed."(BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable individual soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)*^^*
















Sunday, May 25, 2025

The individual jiva-souls in their original position are a perpetual spiritual bodily form in the image of beautiful Krsna, Srila Prabhupada has explained to us.

Spiritual energy is an unlimited collection of individual living units of unique singular jiva-souls who are indestructible "anti-matter" and eternal PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form, who are minor expansions of Krsna, the Supreme individual Person and cause of all causes. 

Furthermore, only Krsna and His direct Visnu/Narayana expansions, are simultaneously both an individual person and all-pervasive (simultaneously one and different) with His spiritual and material creations. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is also spiritual bodily form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs, it is to be assumed that the spirit soul (jiva-soul) ALWAYS has got form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The individual spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The full potential and unique expression of the individual jiva-soul is eternally a spiritual bodily form always active in Krsna's pastimes.

And no two individual jiva-souls (devotees) are the same, each have their own unique characteristics. 

The individual jiva-soul in its full potential is not some impersonal formless spark dormant or inactive in Krsna's Bodily effulgence (the impersonal inactive aspect of the brahmajyoti). The eternal original natural of the individual jiva-souls is to be always active in Krsna's service and pastimes as explained above.

Krsna's direct Visnu-tattva expansions (Visnu/Narayana four armed Forms) and His minor jiva-soul expansions, are all individual persons as a unique spiritual bodily form.

However, Krsna and His Visnu/Narayana expansions have a further quality that the individual jiva-souls do not have. Kṛṣṇa is not only just an individual person as a spiritual bodily form, He is also "all-pervasive," this means He is "simultaneously one and different" with His spiritual and material creations, and known as His Paramatma or Supersoul expansions who even reside in the atom. 

Krsna (Visnu/Narayana) is therefore simultaneously "one and different" from His creation preached by Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, who is the combination of Radharani and Krsna as one spiritual Bodily Form.

It is also important to understand that the relationship between Krsna and His devotees is always a "two-sided" voluntary loving reciprocal relationship based on cooperation, loving exchanges, collaboration, returns, intensional benefactions, unique personal offerings and even total rejection if the individual jiva souls choose.

This mood of being seemingly detached from Krsna's absolute control Krsna sanctions, allows the individual jiva-souls to have their own independent separate nature within Krsna's creation, where the individual jiva-souls can always express themselves with their own thoughts, choices and actions the way they voluntarily choose "seemingly" outside Krsna's absolute control (a paradox). However, that so called independent nature is an illusion because EVERYTHING is part and parcel of Krsna's creation. 

In other words, free will is also within Krsna's absolute plan that He allows just so He can have a "two-sided" open relationship with His individual jiva-souls (devotees), where each devotee have their own personality unique to them, meaning each jiva-soul has their own independent nature where no two jiva-souls are the same.

We must never forget Kṛṣṇa is always in control because nothing can happen or exist outside of Krsna's plan, as explained in Bhagavad Gita As It Is- 

"Not a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord." 

The full spiritual expression and potential of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world is always based on voluntary service.

His unlimited Visnu expansions like Narayana, Visnu, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Paramatma (supersoul) etc carry out their management on the perpetual Vaikuntha planets and in the temporary material worlds. 

Krsna on the other hand, as His childhood form, never leaves Goloka-Vṛndāvana His eternal personal Abode.

The eternal separated (yet paradoxically fully dependent on Krsna) individual jiva-souls (devotees), always experience a unique relationship with Krsna in a "two-way" open personal exchange, based on a variety of independent expressions as explained above.

Krsna allows it to be this way because only by having a "two-way" relationship of voluntary, or non-voluntary exchanges with His devotees can free will (freedom of expression) truly exist.

The relationship between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees is based on loving returns and exchanges, where Krsna always gives back to them in kindness and in quantity (reciprocating), allowing loving meaningful unique mysterous cooperation exist.

By having His creation on this "two-way" street of voluntary service, Kṛṣṇa is allowing a more diverse reality that encourages unlimited voluntary personal contributions from His devotees, in the endless eternally youthful Kingdoms of God (the Vaikuntha planets of  Visnu/Narayana, and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana. 

The eternal relationship with Krsna (God) is openly expressed from two angles instead of being restricted to just one (from just Krsna's absolute control).

Love can only be expressed and experienced on a "two-way" street instead of a "one-way" autocracy that denies and stagnates voluntary loving contributions, personal exchanges and independent offerings from Krsna's devotees.  

This concept of "free will" and having this unique sense of independent self felt eternally by His individual expansions (devotees) is allowed by Kṛṣṇa so their independent unique sense of self, is freely acted upon and expressed by His devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) that forever enrich and blissfully expand and adds originality to the relationship between Krsna and His individual devotees (jiva-souls).

In other words, real love and experiencing personalism, is only possible between "two persons" both contributing to the relationship, and never just "one" person dominating and controlling the relationship like a puppet master controls and manipulates his puppets (impersonalism).

This allows genuine personalism to exist only fully experienced on a "two-way" street, to prevail, denying impersonalism, or a "one-sided" loveless cold stagnant dictatorship.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not achieved by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good. That is not love, that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and don't offer you anything in return, that is simply exploitation."(Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love can only exist in a relationship between "two-persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

If it was all a "one-way" totalitarian dictatorship without any diversity and unique independent contributions, expressed in a "two-way" exchange, for good or bad, that the individual jiva-souls can independently express, then the Kingdom of God is denying unique loving exchanges that only happen in "two-sided" cooperative reciprocation (personalism) leaving only an impersonal cold loveless existence of "oneness."

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

This means the individual jiva-souls (devotees) in the spiritual world can always express themselves as they choose and feel while serving Krsna, being independent from Krsna's authoritarian control that He allows so a two-way voluntary exchange can exist with His devotees.

Krsna allows this paradox (seemingly giving up His absolute control) to happen so that independent unique thoughts and actions from the individual jiva-souls can exist and always be openly expressed independently from Krsna in their own unique way, in unlimited personal ways that forever expand diversity in the spiritual world. 

Freedom of self-expression (free-will) must exist in the spiritual world on a "two-way" platform so the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in a particular service that they voluntary choose to do, and not chosen for them by Krsna, this is what a two-way street means. 

Each individual jiva-soul eternally has their own unique independent personality and character that allows them to forever voluntary expand their variety of devotional contributions (service) to Krsna.  

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls are always able to voluntary choose to serve Krsna in their own unique way, or can even reject Krsna if they choose. 

Without having such freedom of expression within one's individual constitution, then genuine voluntary loving exchanges, reciprocation and free will can never exist.

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-souls their freedom of expression (free-will), that allows them to eternally experience an independent sense of self, which is being able to make their own voluntary contributions and decisions, then their existence as a unique meaningful individual contributing person has no meaning at all, making them no better than dead stone or lifeless matter.

So, how does "free will" and the sense of being independent from Krsna work, when in actual fact, the individual jiva-souls are always fully dependent on Krsna and His Visnu-tattva expansions like Maha-Visnu? 

All that the individual jiva-souls have, plan and have, have always fitted into Krsna ultimate plan, where Krsna is always the Supreme Lord and controller of all that there is? 

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls to do what ever they desire (choose), and such desires are always for filled by His Visnu-tattva expansions like Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Brahma and the demigods in the material world who build and manage the temporary material world (Krsna's separated external energies) with their servants.

Why does Krsna allow the individual jiva-souls to express themselves seemingly independent from Him, that even includes rejecting Krsna if they choose, when in reality everything is Krsna's creation and belongs to Him, where all that there is, is under His control and always dependent on Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes? 

The fact is, nothing can operate or exist separate from Krsna, not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord. This is because Krsna (God) is the origin of all the spiritual and material worlds.

So how can the individual jiva-souls eternally experience a unique sense of independence and free will separate from Krsna?

The answer is explained above, paradoxically the individual jiva-souls have always been able to express themselves in their own unique way independent from Krsna and Viṣṇu because such freedom of expression, thoughts and deeds have always been part and parcel of Krsna's ultimate plan that is the only way of allowing a "two-way" open contributing connection and exchange between Kṛṣṇa and His individual devotees.

The individual jiva-souls having free will and an independent feeling of a sense of self is also within Krsna's absolute plan. 

In this way, Krsna's devotees (the individual jiva-souls) can eternally think for themselves and make their own decisions on how they want to voluntary serve Krsna in so many progressive ways, or not serve Him at all if they choose. This is the reality of free will sanctioned by Krsna and fully under His control.

This independence and free will gives the individual jiva-souls their unique autonomous nature that allows them to act as they desire seemingly separate from Krsna's total control.

But this only happens because Krsna allows it, after all, it is all His creation.

Such independence allows a "two-way" voluntary relationship between Krsna and His devotees, where the individual jiva-souls can act in almost anyway they choose, even against the desires of Kṛṣṇa if they want.

This means Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to express themselves in their own unique way, separate from being always controlled by Krsna like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets. 

Krsna knows that such absolute power of control in a "one-sided" relationship that denies two-way is loveless impersonalism.

This is why Krsna allows a two-way relationship of voluntary service because He knows that without this, there can never be loving exchanges and cooperative reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His individual jiva-souls. 

Even though Krsna is the Supreme controller, without allowing the individual jiva-souls to also have their own unique freedom of choice, actions and thoughts, then His Kingdoms of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana would be loveless cold impersonal paradises, because love can never be experienced or shared with just one, not even Krsna or Visnu, there must be two.

Only the temporary material bodily vessels (matter) that the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter unique individual units [persons]) enter, are in constant decay, breaks down and eventually merges back into the "oneness" of material energy (matter). 

"Matter" - the material bodily vessels, are temporary and eventually decompose, cease to function and break down into different material elements, then again merge back into the "oneness" of material energy.  

"Anti-matter" - living individual life force, is not like that and is never "all-one" like matter is. The eternal individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) or anti-matter, are individual living units or persons "within" the material bodily vessel and is an indestructible spiritual living individual PERSON who can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished in any way Bhagavad Gita tells us.

Also, no individual jiva-soul (anti-matter) can die, only the material bodily vessel they occupy in the material world is subject to decline and decay and therefore temporary. 

In other words, the individual jiva-souls within a material bodily vessel are eventually forced to change their material bodily containers due to its temporary nature and demise therefore, becoming unsuitable to house the individual jiva-soul. 

It is therefore important to understand the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless as confirmed in Bhagavad Gita As It Is in Chapter 2. 

This also means there is no limitations to what the eternal individual jiva-souls can experience because the stage is infinity.

All individual jīva-souls are eternal persons, there are no new individual jiva-souls ever being created because they have always existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

The individual jiva-souls are a living unique collective of anti-matter living entities, individual PERSONS as an eternal spiritual bodily form who are beginningless and endless and therefore indestructible as described above.

Furthermore as Srila Prabhupada explains, unless there is the freedom for the individual jiva-souls to do wrong or right, then there is no question being free or having free will. Where is free will then if I can only act one sided? That means I have no free will. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I can only act one sided that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly that means we have free will. In other words free will means there is always a choice."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, some misuse their free will just like a thief, they know it is stealing, it is bad, but still they do it. But that is free will, they cannot check their greediness, so in spite of knowing they are doing the wrong thing by stealing and will be eventually be punished, they sill do it. They know; they have seen other thieves get punished and put into prison, everything they already know, but still they steal. Why? Misuse of free will! But unless there is the possibility to misuse free will, then there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy with Srila Prabhupada and disciples)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes).

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The paradox here is the individual jiva-souls have their own independence and free will too, even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, cause of all causes who knows everything, and is behind everything, and therefore  simultaneously one and different from His creation of the living entities and the spiritual and material worlds.

In other words, each individual jiva-soul (devotee) has their own unique personality and character that is seemly always paradoxically separate from Krsna's Personality and absolute control, although we must never forget that Krsna is the cause of all causes behind everything and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction. 

Krsna allows it to be be this way to create diversities within His own creation, where a "two-sided" cooperative or non-cooperative relationship exists between the individual jiva-souls (the created) and Krsna (the creator). 

Krsna never tells His devotees how to think, act or what to offer, He only advices so the correct standard is understood. Krsna prefers His devotees to choose for themselves how to serve Him Srila has explained to us.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily. And one can change their spiritual bodily form, from flower to human bodily form, that is spiritual life. There is no restriction, if a devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, they serve Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, as field or pathway, as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything is possible, it is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)<>