In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other," just like one may like a carnation flower, while others may choose to like a rose flower.
The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can NEVER lose their free-will in the spiritual world, because such freedom allows them to voluntarily choose for themselves how they want to serve (contribute) to Viṣṇu/Narayana on the Vaikuntha planets, or Krsna in His personal Abode of Goloka Vrindavana.
The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world can always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, with personal offerings they choose to contribute (offer) to Krsna or Visnu in the endless spiritual world.
Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence (free-will), you have acquired that quality off your father, so God does not interfere with your independence (free-will). If you persist that "I must enjoy independently from God and enter the temporary material world," God says, "All right, you can go there and and try to enjoy." This is the position, if you persist, God always sanctions otherwise free will has no meaning therefore, you can go to the material world and enjoy at any time." (Lecture Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone knows that independence (free-will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then if I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will."
Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he chooses to misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it, that is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be eventually punished, he knows this; he has seen other thieves get punished and put in prison, all this he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)
The individual jiva-souls are independent persons in the spiritual world always as an eternal spiritual bodily form, known as Krsna's marginal living entities or potency, who each have their own unique personality and sense of independent identity separate from Krsna's Personality and autocratic control yet, paradoxically, are simultaneously fully dependent on Krsna as His creation as parts and parcels.
Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction.
The reason why Krsna gives the individual jiva-souls their independence and free will, is so Kṛṣṇa can have a "two-way" relationship with His devotees, where they can voluntarily serve Him without being manipulated like a puppet is always controlled by the hands of the puppeteer, no, Krsna does not want a cold relationship where the devotee is forced to love and serve Him in the spiritual world.
Krsna wants His devotees to choose for themselves how they want to voluntary serve Him in their own unique personal way. This means the individual jiva-souls are always able to contribute their own unique offerings without any pressure or force from Krsna.
Real love or service can only exist when free will exists, this allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in loving devotional exchanges with Krsna by contributing in various unique ways to one's relationship with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love, love means somebody else, love means there must be two, love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one to share your love with. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your free will, which is the independent actions to perform voluntary contributions serving Krsna, and instead allow Krsna to impersonally control all your thoughts and deeds.
No! That is not what "surrender" means!
The fact is, the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed "mindless" puppets, who only obey the puppeteer and denied all individual voluntary contributions they offer in their relationship with Krsna, provided in their own unique way thinking for themselves without mindless impersonal manipulation.
The individual jiva-souls can never lose their free will in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana, which is the individual ability of self expression that allows them to offer their own personal contributions to Krsna unique to each individual jiva-soul.
Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the individual jiva-soul is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.
Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the individual jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have their free will (freedom of self-expression) to voluntary make their own choices in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna would never exist.
If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu/Narayanathen that is not love, it is tyranny, bullying which is impersonalism.
The impersonal version of Krsna's abode of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets is where the individual jiva-souls are forced to surrender their free will (voluntary service of contributions) to a bogus god that allows this so called god to take over one's existence and do all your thinking and actions for you.
There are many nonsense sangas (religious cults) in this world who propagate this dangerous hellish dictatorial impersonalism.
Having free will on the other hand, allows the individual jiva-souls to be themselves, which is an independent unique contributing devotee who always voluntarily chooses how they want to please and serve Krsna with their own personal offerings in a "two-sided" reciprocal relationship of loving exchanges.
Voluntary service is the bases and meaning of real surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets which are the permanent eternal homes and origin of all the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls).
The individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets of Visnu and Krsna’s central Abode of Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is never a nonsense one-sided master/slave mindless relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.
Krsna does not control the surrendered individual jiva-souls by force like a puppet master controls the every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings that only deny self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.
However, Krsna does control His pure devotees in a two-way exchange by allowing them to have voluntary loving reciprocal exchanges with Him, and the individual jiva-souls also choose this relationship with Krsna due to their unconditional love for Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want His devotees become a lover by force, from the point of revolver, ‘you love me otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
If the individual jiva-souls have no free will in the spiritual world, then they are no better than dead useless stone Prabhupada tells us.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual individual jiva-souls, we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity. This transcendental vibration of chanting-
Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare
This is the sublime method for reviving our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of live, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in her complexities. This illusion is called māyā, or hard struggle for existence over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also, we can perceive that by chanting this mahā-mantra, or the great chanting for deliverance, one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual stratum. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding, surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence, one is situated on the transcendental plane.
This chanting of-
Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare
is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, surpassing all lower states of consciousness namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra, nor is there any need of mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this mahā-mantra.
It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in this transcendental sound vibration, without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy. We have seen it practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. The chanting should be heard, however, from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of a nondevotee should be avoided, as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect. The word Harā is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord.
Both Kṛṣṇa and Rāma are forms of addressing directly the Lord, and they mean "the highest pleasure, eternal." Harā is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, when addressed as Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord. The material energy, called mayā, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we are also the marginal potency of the Lord. The "marginal living entities" (individual jiva-souls) are described as a superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity.
The three words, namely Harā, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma, are transcendental seeds of the mahā-mantra, and the chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Harā, for giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like a genuine cry by the child for the mother. Mother Harā helps in achieving the grace of the supreme father, Hari, or Kṛṣṇa, and the Lord reveals Himself to such a sincere devotee. No other means, therefore, of spiritual realization is as effective in this age, as chanting the mahā-mantra." ("The Happening Record Album" recorded Dec 1966 New York City, USA)
Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down to the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down, here it is explained, "don’t fall down."
Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"
Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom (free will). Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his free will and desire.
Devotee – "In the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world, if Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are son of God you have acquired the quality of your father so God does not interfere with your independence (free will)." (Lecture Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly means we have free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy).
The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can never lose their free will in the spiritual world because Krsna wants a "two-way" relationship of voluntary loving exchanges with His devotees, for that to happen, the individual jiva-souls are given free will by Krsna so they can choose for themselves how they want to serve Krsna from a variety of ways, or even reject Krsna if they choose.
The individual jiva-souls are eternal living entities as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 12 to text 30 explains, they are eternal persons as a spiritual bodily form, there are no new individual jiva-souls ever being created because they have always existed.
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the material body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)
The individual jiva-souls are a collective of individual anti-matter living entities known as Krsna's marginal energy, who are all eternal persons as a unique spiritual bodily form, who are beginningless and endless and therefore indestructible as described above in Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 to text 30.
Free will has nothing to do with the material body (matter), free will is a symptom of the eternal individual jiva-soul (anti-matter).
Free will is the constitutional makeup of every individual jiva-soul, who each are an eternal spiritual form on the Vaikuntha planets, and Goloka Vrindavana, where nothing material can exist, including temporary mundane decaying material bodily vessels.^//.
