Do the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) eternally have the freedom (free will) to voluntarily serve Krsna (God) the way they choose?

Or even choose not to serve Krsna if they want within His eternal Kingdom's known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana? 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The fact is, the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are the natural eternal home of the individual jiva-souls from where they have originated from without having any beginning point or cessation to their existence.

The original home of the individual jiva-souls is Krsna's eternal personal active devotional Kingdom of God based on voluntary contributions (selfless service), based on loving exchanges, reciprocation and cooperation with Krsna and never a "one-way" street of dictatorial demands or forced service. 

Ultimately, we are all Krsna's voluntary servants when acting in our original possition, and are very dear to  Kṛṣṇa however, that does not mean we have to give up our free will, our independent sense of unique personality or individuality to be Krsna's eternal friend and servant.   

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Free will in its full natural potential only fully exists in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (the perpetual Kingdom of God). 

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls who choose to leave Krsna's Abode and enter the temporary material world, experience their free will to be greatly restricted. 

Free will only minutely exists in the material world restricted to the human species, a variety of 400 thousand material bodily forms who are responsible for their own good and bad actions known as Karma, and never in the other 8 million species of life who act only on instincts and environmental influences rather than karmic reactions-

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating,

defending 

As already explained, free will exists fully in Krsna's Personal Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana and in Visnu's unlimited Vaikuntha planets, but not in the temporary material world. 

The individual jiva-souls in their subtle material bodies also never create karma in both the heavenly or hellish planetary, in both places they only experience their good or bad karma until exhausted then they again take birth on in the middle planetary system (Bhurloka or Earthly planetary system)

In the spiritual world, free will, or being allowed by Kṛṣṇa to voluntarily express one's self as they choose, is the natural constitutional make up of every individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) within the Kingdom of God. 

Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to have free will  in the spiritual world because if He didn't, then how can the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) voluntarily express themselves and choose how to love and serve Kṛṣṇa in their own unique way?

For real loving exchanges to exist with Krsna, He allows voluntary reciprocation and unique personal contributions from His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) making the relationship a "two-sided" selfless loving affair. In this way genuine love is can be exist with just one, it is always a "two-way" exchange of feelings, emotions and cooperation.

Loving reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange between two individuals with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows of service.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved in a cooperative relationship based on loving exchanges between two. Reciprocation has no meaning with just one.

Therefore impersonalism is understood in this way - the puppeter has total mind control over his puppets with his manipulating strings that control their every actions, they only act accordingly to what the puppeter does with his strings, the puppets have no thoughts of their own or or have any sense of an individual existence. Similarly, the individual jiva-souls are not like that, they are Krsna's mindless emotionless puppets or drones. 

Those who surrendering to a God in an impersonal way only become mindless puppets who are manipulated to only do what the puppeteer demands, without personal contributions of voluntary offerings. The fact is, this kind of surrender that denies free will is dangerous mayavadi philosophy that foolishly leads to spiritual suicide.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy or girl, My dear friend, My dear servant please come back home." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

The Kingdom of Kṛṣṇa is not a one-sided totalitarian dictatorship, it is nothing like that, Kṛṣṇa's genuine devotees think for themselves by planning in so many ways how to please Krsna, by voluntarily choosing to contribute to Krsna in their own unique way and surprise Krsna with their many provisions and offerings.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions, Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

If Krsna denied the individual jiva-soul's their free will, then they could never experience a two-way cooperative loving exchange of devotion with Krsna, therefore never knowing or experiencing what love really is. 

As explained above, loving exchanges is only possible on a "two-way" path where voluntary reciprocation and cooperation always exists between Krsna and His devotees (the individual jiva-souls), it is never a one-way or one-sided dictatorial dominating cold impersonal affair in Krsna's Abode (the Kingdom of God).

Without having loving reciprocal exchanges between "two persons" that are always voluntary, creative and unique from the individual jiva-soul's point of view, then how can loving emotions, personal contributions and unique loving service be expressed individually by each devotee?

Without free will and being encouraged to contribute one's own personal offerings based on the individual jiva-souls unique independent choices and personal offerings, one is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Even though the individual jiva-souls are eternally fully dependent on Krsna, they are also able to voluntarily express themselves independently from Krsna, as an individual contributing person, this gives them an independent unique voice as the independent persons they are within Krsna's spiritual world. 

In the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, there are no mindless puppet like impersonal personalities who are only told what to do, think and serve, which denies the individual devotees from offering their own unique voluntary contributions. 

The impersonal (mindless) collective of individual jiva-souls who are denied their free will, only exist in a bogus loveless emotionless Kingdom of God where they are always controlled, manipulated and denied the self-expression to voluntarily contribute in the unique way they choose that only exists in the real Kingdom of Kṛṣṇa (God).

Such mindless so called devotees who deny their free will, are non-contributing emotionless puppets that can never experience wonderful loving reciprocal exchanges and voluntary cooperation unique to each individual jiva-soul, they are unable to freely express themselves within God's "real" Kingdom (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana).

Without free will and voluntary participation in Krsna's Abode, loving exchanges can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, no one is forced to do something they do not choose to do or agree to do, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form from flower to human form if they choose, that is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as a chair, as a flag pole, as a blade of grass, as a cloud in the sky, as a tree, as water, as ground, as a pathway,  as a field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The fact is, free will or the ability to voluntarily choose what to offer to Krsna as a personal offering is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists fully in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana but not in the material world.

Therefore, freedom or "free will" means the individual jiva-soul always voluntarily choose how to serve Krsna, or even reject Him if they choose, there is always their choice. Krsna does not force the individual jiva-souls to surrender to Him, if He did, then that is not love, it is exploitation and force.

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington DC July 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but he still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows this because he has seen other thieves get punished and put in prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are unique independent living entities in the spiritual world who have their own personality, free will, unique character and a sense of independent self separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously eternally dependent on Krsna because He is the creator of all that there is.

In other words, Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes which includes the individual jiva-soul's free will that He allows just to create diversity and two-way exchanges. 

Krsna gives the individual jiva-souls their independence and "free will" so they can voluntary choose how to serve Him in their own unique personal way and not as He demands, or they can even reject Him if they choose. Without having this choice then genuine love can never exist.

This freedom allows the individual jiva-souls to always voluntary contribute their own unique offerings out of unconditional personal love, without the need of any pressure or force from Krsna or His devotees. 

There are always words of encouragement and suggestions from Krsna and His devotees however, they all must lead the devotee to discover their own unique personality and independent nature. 

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one, or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. "Love means two". There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Real love or service can only exist when free will allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in the loving devotional exchanges of their choice, and contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) will be permanent and never again will we fall down to the material world? 

Syamasundara dasa - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara dasa - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions on Henri Bergson philosophy).

Krsna always loves (serves) His pure devotees far more than they can ever serve Him and will never leave them even when they foolishly choose to leave Him and enter the temporary material world.

Thank you Srila Prabhupada for inspiring these realizations based on your wonderful teachings.*^^*.

Love can never be experienced by just "one," there must be "two" in a "two-way" exchange of voluntary personal expressions and offerings, otherwise the individual jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

"Free will" exists for the individual jiva-souls because Krsna (God) sanctions it for the purpose of allowing independent voluntarily personal contributions within their relationship with Krsna or Visnu. 

Krsna must first give His sanction to the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) so they can have this freedom of self-expression (free will)

How do we understand this?

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls always have their "free will" in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavan for the simple reason that without free will and the independent ability to choose for themselves, in a voluntary way, the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna, as a contributing independent individual person, is not possible. 

This is why Krsna always allows "free will."

Furthermore, there was never a time where Krsna never granted this freedom (free will) to the individual jiva-souls because only by having free will can the jiva-souls express their voluntary love for Krsna in their own unique way.

Therefore, having free will is eternally part and parcel of the of the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul).

Ultimately it is by Krsna's will and favour the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) have their free will. Krsna is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, meaning He is the Supreme controller of all things and nothing can take place without His sanction and approval first.

So, Krsna always allows "free will" for the purpose of always allowing an opportunity for the individual jiva-souls to contribute in their own unique way the offerings of their choice, out of love, allowing an independent mood of self expression and unique personal exchanges with Krsna.

In this way, the individual jiva-souls thoughtful are eternally contributing individual unique persons.

The fact is, love can never be a one-sided, one-way affair, love is always based on building a loving relationship of exchanges between "two" expressed in the mood of reciprocation.

Therefore, any individual jiva-souls who is denied free will by their God are just "mindless emotionless" drones in that God's Kingdom. If one's every thought and actions are fully controlled by their God, then that makes them no better than dead useless stone.

So having "free will" is always part and parcel of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) eternal spiritual constitution.

If Krsna had this absolute control over all the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) in the spiritual world explained above, then the "Kingdom of Kṛṣṇa (God)" would be an impersonalists mindless loveless cold paradise!

Therefore, ultimately within the most intense loving emotional exchanges between the Lord and the individual jiva-souls, there is always free will, there are always individual choices of expressions and the unique contribution of personal offerings because without free will, there can never be any loving voluntary exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jiva-souls.

If the individual jiva-souls do not have the freedom to think for themselves independently, then how can love exist? 

No, it is not possible without free will because loving exchanges are a very personal unique expression of feelings shared voluntary with one's beloved.

This is how the individual jiva-souls surrender their unique personality and individuality with the object of one's love, Krsna, such intelligent reciprocation is the real meaning of surrender.

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

Therefore, without having "choices" in the individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna, then there can never be no question of loving exchanges. This is because if it is just a one-sided affair with no input from the individual jiva-souls, then how can their be genuine love expressed on a two-way platform?

This idea of Krsna completely taking over the individual jiva-soul's free will, in the name of surrender, and deny any independent voluntary contributions from the individual jiva-souls, is nonsense impersonalism that many foolish bogus gurus teach and cheat their naive disciples with today.

Loving exchanges are only possible when it is allowed to be governed by self-expression in a reciprocal relationship between "two," the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

This loving reciprocation is always expressed in its full potential in either the Vaikuntha planets, or Goloka-Vrindavan, but serverly covered in the material creation where free will is suppressed and almost none existant in the human species.

And certainly not in the lower species of life in the material creation where the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending are controlling the lower species and not free will or Karma.

Karma is not created in the lower species of life, or on the hellish and heavenly planets.

Also, it is foolish and total nonsense to think Krsna overides and extinguishes the individual jiva-soul's "free will" and individuality when they enter the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan.

One should understand that being part and parcel of Krsna means the individual jiva-souls can etenally make their own independent choices for themselves in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan while serving Krsna or Visnu, or they can choose to reject Krsna if they want.

Many aspiring devotees still do not understood this properly because they foolishly believe surrender to Krsna means Krsna completely takes over their every thought, deeds and actions (free will) which is impersonal nonsense.

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

The fact is, real love (prema) or devotional service is only possible when there is a contributing relationship between two.

Surrendering to Krsna does not mean extinguishing your unique sense of independent self, your individual character, personality and free will.

Loving exchanges can never be experienced by just one, not even by Krsna, even He had to divide Himself into two (Radha and Kṛṣṇa) just to experience loving reciprocation in a two-way exchange.

So let's be clear, loving relationships in the spiritual world are always based on reciprocation or voluntary loving exchanges between two because love can only exist between two, based on a caring respectful nurturing relationship existing between between Krsna and His individual jiva-souls (devotees).

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So, everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him.

Both scenarios must be allowed if real freedom or free will (freedom of expression) is to truly exist.

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces you to surrender to Him, never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary otherwise love can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, you love me or I will kill you!" (July 8, 1976)

Krsna never interferes with the free will of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities).

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you go", otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls to be independent persons with their own unique character because only then can they voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna in a two-way exchange of loving emotions.

As Prabhupada has also said, having free will also means the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna too if they choose. 

Freedom also includes that the individual jiva-souls can reject Kṛṣṇa if they choose.

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls to have their freedom because it also allows them to voluntarily express themselves in their own unique individual way in front of Krsna that make it a "two-way" relationship.  

This is better than being surrounded by individual "jiva-souls" who are "mindless drones" impersonally programmed to worship Krsna without personal contributions and individual inputs.

Such an impersonal one-sided relationship is not love at all, real love can never exist on a one-way street, or in a "one-sided" domineering dictatorship.  

Real love (service) can only exist between "two persons" in a "two-way" relationship and never with only one.

If Krsna is surrounded Himself by none thinking individual jiva-souls who never voluntarily contribute their own unique offerings to Him, then that is certainly not love because real love cannot exist in a "one-way" totalitarian dictatorship, it always must be an open "two-way" exchange of positive emotions and voluntary expressions.

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities who surrender and love Krsna in their own unique way supported by Krsna and never dominated by Krsna.

Krsna does not force His dominance over the individual jiva-souls like a puppet master dominates his puppets with strings who dance to His every command.

It is complete nonsense to think "surrender" to Krsna means only Krsna has complete control of all the individual jiva-soul's loving emotions and expressions going on between Himself and the individual jiva-souls, overriding the individual jiva-soul's free will, unique independence, individuality and voluntary contributions, by fully controlling them once they enter the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Actually, this kind of mindless impersonal "surrender" is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava. That kind of mindless forceful dominance over the individual jiva-souls is Mayavadi impersonalism!

Therefore, to say the individual jiva-souls can never choose to fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavan is also nonsense because they always have a choice to stay or leave the spiritual world. 

Although, Prabhupada told us that only less than 10% of individual jiva-souls make that choice to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavan, while the rest (over 90%) do not choose to fall down.

You see, it is the individual jiva-souls choice too, that Krsna allows, just so they can experience their full freedom that includes rejecting Krsna if they want.

Krsna never surrounds Himself with mindless drones programmed just to love Him unconditionally, no, Krsna does not want emotionally dead servants like that who can never contribute to their relationship with Krsna.

We are all unique individual jiva-souls who each have a unique sense of self that is able to voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna.

Each individual jiva-soul is able to give their own unique chosen loving offerings to Krsna.

Therefore, only such reciprocation bases on loving exchanges between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls, is what makes selfless love (Krsnaprema) real on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana.

The individual jiva-souls are expansions of Krsna but with minor independent qualities that allows them to express themselves with their own voluntary actions based on free will in their own way.

The individual jiva-souls are endowed with independence, and an individual unique personality that enables them to experience their independent personality separate from Krsna's Divine Personality.

Krsna allows this "freedom" (free will) among the individual jiva-souls because He wants to experience loving exchanges that are voluntary between Himself and the individual jiva-souls, between "two", to experience the jiva-soul's unique individual contributions and personal imputs too.

This however, does not means all individual jiva-souls are independent from Krsna's control, that is not possible.

At all times, the individual jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna, even while experiencing their little independence. 

So, the individual jiva-souls are always independent individual living entities yet simultaneously depend on Krsna and His Visnu-tattva expansions in both the spiritual worlds and material world at all times.

So even though the individual jiva-soul is an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are not "one" with Krsna's Personality because they have their own independent, unique personality as explained above.

The loving expressions between Krsna and His more direct Visnu-tattva expansions, are different from His relationship with the individual independent jiva-souls who have their own independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

The fact is, all Visnu-tattva expansions of Krsna are Krsna just playing another role in His own pastimes.

Surrender to Krsna never extinguishes one's individual ability to voluntarily express themselves the way they choose, the individual jiva-souls never lose their unique independent personality.

The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are the Kingdoms of Kṛṣṇa (God), where the individual jiva-soul's independent identity with their personal contributions enables them to make their own unique ''personal choices'' as offerings to Visnu or Krsna in the spirit of reciprocation and loving selfless exchanges.

Love in this way is the "highest meaning of independent thinking" by "choosing" to be fully dependent on Krsna in the mood of voluntary devotional loving exchanges.

Loving reciprocation can only exist when their are exchanges between two, love can never exist with just one. 

Therefore, surrendering to Krsna never extinguishes one's ability of self-expression, individuality, or one's unique character and personality.

The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are the Kingdoms of Kṛṣṇa (God) where the individual jiva-soul's independent identity and personal contributions enable them to make voluntary offerings to Visnu or Krsna in the spirit of reciprocation and loving selfless exchanges.

Loving exchanges between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are the highest meanings of independent expressions and actions in the reality of genuine devotional service.

Love can only exist when their are these exchanges between two, because love can never exist when there is just one. 

In other words, love can only exist when their are exchanges between two, love can never exist with just one. 

The spiritual world is full of unlimited variety and variegatedness, therefore Krsna only wants those who actually voluntarily choose to be with Him and serve Him. 

Real love (devotion) is reciprocal on a two-way street, this means loving exchanges can only exist between two, it is never a one-way street where the bogus surrender to Krsna takes away one's unique ability of self-expression.

Such self expression and voluntary offerings are only possible in a "two-way" relationship, otherwise a "one-sided" impersonal mindless dictatorship only make one no better than dead stone.

In this mundane material world it is not possible to experience "free will" in its full potential, in fact, the concept of "free will" is almost none existent. The full expression of free will is only possible in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan (The Kingdom of God). 

Our only education should be being trained up from a very young age to go back home back to Godhead, and not try or plan to make these decaying temporary material worlds and temporary bodily vessels our home.*.

How to understand Srimad Bhagavatam's Canto 8 Chapter 10 text 38 that says the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun is?

The explanations below after the Srimad Bhagavatam Purport, has avoided the fact that the many spacecrafts today in 2025 from multiple countries, visit the Moon with space probes, only take a few days to reach their. 

This contradicts Srimad Bhagavatam's claim it would take 7 months at present speeds of 18,000 miles an hour, for a spacecraft to reach the Moon.

Some modern scholars avoid these questions with many saying all Moon landings are a hoax and fake, which for many modern devotees is hard to blindly follow. 

Read for yourself and make your own intelligent conclusion.

Canto 8 Ch 10 text 38:

Srimad Bhagavatam - "Because of the impact on the ground of the legs of the demons and demigods and the wheels of the chariots, particles of dust flew violently into the sky and made a dust cloud that covered all directions of outer space, as far as the sun. But when the particles of dust were followed by drops of blood being sprinkled all over space, the dust cloud could no longer float in the sky." (Canto  8 Ch 10 text 38)

Srila Prabhupada's Purport - "The cloud of dust covered the entire horizon, but when drops of blood sprayed up as far as the sun, the dust cloud could no longer float in the sky. A point to be observed here is that although the blood is stated to have reached the sun, it is not said to have reached the moon. 

Apparently, therefore, as stated elsewhere in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the sun, not the moon, is the planet nearest the earth. We have already discussed this point in many places. The sun is first, then the moon, then Mars, Jupiter and so on. 

The sun is supposed to be 93,000,000 miles above the surface of the earth, and from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam we understand that the moon is 1,600,000 miles above the sun. Therefore the distance between the earth and the moon would be about 95,000,000 miles. 

So if a space capsule were traveling at the speed of 18,000 miles per hour, how could it reach the moon in four days? At that speed, going to the moon would take at least seven months. That a space capsule on a moon excursion has reached the moon in four days is therefore impossible." (Canto 8 Ch 10 text 38 Purport)

Explanation: 

The Srimad Bhagavatam does not say the moon is further away from Earth than the sun; it describes a different cosmological model where the sun and moon exist on different vertical planes or "heights" above the Earth, not a simple horizontal distance. 

According to this view, the sun is at a lower elevation than the moon, meaning the sun's plane is considered "closer" to the Earth in that specific, vertical sense. 

This distinction is not a literal physical measurement but a part of a complex, multi-layered, and symbolic cosmology that is not meant to be understood with modern physics. 

Vertical vs. horizontal distance: 

The Bhagavatam's descriptions of celestial bodies refer to their position on different vertical planes, rather than simply horizontal distances as in modern astronomy.

Sun's plane vs. Moon's plane: 

The text describes the sun existing at a higher level than the Earth, but the moon exists at an even higher level than the sun. Therefore, in terms of vertical "height," the sun's plane is closer to the Earth's plane than the moon's.

Symbolic cosmology: 

The Bhagavatam's cosmology is not intended to be a literal, scientific description of the physical universe. Instead, it is a symbolic narrative that glorifies the Lord and presents a different understanding of reality, often related to spiritual hierarchy and consciousness.

No contradiction with eclipses: 

Some Vedic astronomers who adhere to the scripture's cosmology acknowledge that the astronomical calculations for eclipses in ancient texts like the Surya Siddhanta were accurate and consistent with modern science, suggesting the verses on celestial positions should not be interpreted literally.*.

There is only one type of individual jiva-soul, and its original constitutional position is "nitya-siddha" which means "eternally liberated" in the spiritual world.

Both the eternally liberated (nitya-siddha) and those eternally conditioned individual jiva-souls who fall down to the material world and become "nitya-baddha," originate from the spiritual world Srila Prabhupada explains below. 

The nitya-baddha condition is a state to which the individual jiva-souls can fall too from its original spiritual position of "nitya-siddha" in the spiritual world, by voluntarily exercising their "free will" to forget and reject Krsna. 

Origin: 

All individual jiva-souls, regardless of their current state, originate from Krsna's spiritual kingdom, Goloka-Vrindavana.

Nitya-siddha: 

This is the state of being eternally liberated and residing in the spiritual world (the individual jiva-soul's eternal home) in a direct and voluntary loving relationship with Krsna.

Nitya-baddha: 

This refers to the individual jiva-souls who have "fallen" from their original position in the spiritual world due to misusing their "free will" and forgetting Krsna. 

These individual jiva-souls are now conditioned by the material world and covered by a temporary material bodily vessel that is always in a state of decay, that eventually becomes unfit to house the individual jiva-soul forcing them to possess another material bodily vessel (taking another birth in the material world)

Free will: 

The ability to be either nitya-siddha or nitya-baddha is a function of the individual jiva-soul's free will. The nitya-baddha jiva-souls are not actually eternally conditioned forever, but rather, eternally conditioned because they chose to enter the temporary material world where they remain "conditioned" until they again choose to go back home back to Godhead (Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets)

Path to liberation: 

The goal of the Krsna consciousness movement is to help the fallen nitya-baddha individual jiva-souls realize their original nitya-siddha state and return to the spiritual world.

The eternal individual jiva-souls can voluntarily be either (by choice), remain nitya-siddha (liberated) in the spiritual world, or nitya-baddha (conditioned in the material world, or impersonal brahmajyoti) however, both these conditions outside the spiritual world are temporary.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha (un-conditioned in the spiritual world) and nitya-baddha (conditioned in the active material world, or inactive in the impersonal brahmajyoti). The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha." (CC, lecture, July 13, 1976) 

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York City Temple Lecture CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (London lecture BG, 13-14, July 14, 1973).#.