Friday, December 12, 2025

Only the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana (the original and perpetual non-material home of the individual jiva-souls), are eternally occupied by living units (anti-matter) as individual spiritual bodily forms (personalities), do the individual jiva-souls always experience their free will (freedom of self-expression) in its full potential.

However, in the temporary material world (matter), the fallen individual jiva-souls are under the control of Maha-Visnu's material nature of repeated birth and death.

Does ISKCON (The International Society For Krishna Consciousness or Hare Krishna Movement) believe in free will?

Yes, ISKCON believes in free will, but it is a "minute" or limited free will (self-expression) while the individual jiva-souls are restricted to the material world (temporary matter).

Only in the human species numbering 400,000 out of the 8 million 400 thousand, does the individual jiva-souls have limited freedom of expression (free will) and can voluntarily turn to God by first finding a bonafide Spiritual Master or teacher. 

Free will is essential so the individual jiva-souls can participate in voluntary service and self-determination so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with God in their only distinctive way. 

Such self-expression expands their loving exchanges and unique distinctive service contributions to God (Krsna). 

This ability of choosing means the individual jiva-souls can voluntary contribute to their relationship with God in their own way, or can act against God's divine instructions. 

Without the possibility of choice, there can be no true love, reciprocation or loving exchanges, but ISKCON also emphasizes that the ultimate outcome of all actions are dependent on a higher sanction and the divine will of Kṛṣṇa.

After all, everything is Kṛṣṇa's creation and belongs to Him therefore He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

Free will has meaning only when one can choose to do wrong or right. The misuse of free will is what leads the individual jiva-souls to fall from the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter Maha-Visnu's temporary decaying material world of repeated birth and death.

The individual jiva-souls only then have limited freedom in the material world, and only while in the rare human form of life, this allows them to choose their pious and impious actions while trapped in a temporary material human bodily vessel within the material creation.

However, this choice of actions only minutely happens within the human species (there are 400 thousand human forms) that leads to the accumulations of a back log of good and bad deeds (karma) performed while in a human bodily form. This does not happen in the lower species of life (8 million different lower species)

This backlog or build up of Karmic reactions, creates future reactions this human form or the next bodily vessel that punish or reward the embodied individual jiva-souls trapped in the material creation. 

Ultimately, everything in God's material creation is overseen by the laws of material nature. This means that while free will is restricted in the temporary material world, it is never eliminated. Only while the individual jiva-soul is in a temporary material bodily vessel in the material world, is free will limited (only in the human species) and non-existent in the lower species as said above.

In the lower species of life in the material world free will does not exist, there is only the material bodily vessel instincts of- 

eating,

sleeping, 

mating,

defending.

Influenced also by geological surroundings in the material world. 

Unlike the decaying material world (matter), free will in its full potential only exists unrestricted in the perpetual spiritual world (anti-matter) known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God) 

The ability to serve and love Krsna voluntarily is only possible because of free will. If one were forced, it would not be love, but "threatening."

While free will eternally exists, the ultimate outcome of one's actions is always determined by God's (Krsna's) will through His sanctions. 

This means that while the individual jiva-souls can choose their path and their actions on that path, the consequences of their choices and the overall outcome, is always in the hands of Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes because everything belongs to Krsna and therefore first sanctioned by Krsna.

Never forget free will exists because Krsna allows it, just so the individual jiva-souls can choose their own voluntary contributions. 

Only by Krsna’s sanction do they individual jiva-souls have the "free will" to do this.

Free will, or the ability to choose and contribute in your own unique way, is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists without beginning or end in the spiritual planets. 

The material creation exists for those individual jiva-souls who choose to reject Krsna and fall down from the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.  

Therefore, the material worlds are never the real natural home of the individual jiva-souls, and their full freedom is never experienced in the material creation covered by the material energy in the form of a material bodily container or vessel, therefore, their natural home is never the material worlds.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may rebel and miss use it and choose to enter the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try - "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, Kṛṣṇa says, you can go and try to enjoy on your own without Kṛṣṇa if you choose otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity (individual jiva-soul) has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives them the opportunity, "all right, you enjoy like this, it is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this temporary material world, if Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?" Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence (free will), that is force. In Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy and demand "You love me, you love me, you love me!" Is that love? "You love me otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls is never a one-way or one-sided relationship that denies personal contributions, which is an array of unique distinctive offerings voluntarily coming from the individual jiva-souls.

Loving exchanges are always based on the reciprocation between "two" because love can only exist when there are "two" engaged in loving exchanges as Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person as an eternal spiritual bodily form in their full potential, who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose. 

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces the individual jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that loving exchange must be voluntary.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary, only then it is genuine love." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

In the following conversation Srila Prabhupada explains that Krsna is always in control and owns everything and is therefore the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. Only Krsna can allow the individual jiva-souls to have their independence (free will) explained here by Srila Prabhupada.  

Syamasundara dasa - "Do the individual jiva-souls have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, not without Krsna's sanction first. Bhagavad Gita states that when the individual jiva-souls wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

What Srila Prabhupada is saying here, is the individual jiva-souls cannot have their little independence (free will) without it first being sanctioned by Krsna. This is because everything belongs to Krsna, it is His creation and He alone is the cause of all causes. 

It is Krsna's will alone that allows the individual jiva-souls to have their freedom for the purpose of allowing a "two-way" loving relationship with Krsna based on a two-way open exchange with the individual jiva-souls which means allowing them to voluntarily participate in Krsna's pastimes if they choose. 

Syamasundara dasa - "So the individual jiva-souls have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Kṛṣṇa we cannot do anything, therefore He is the ultimate cause of all causes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

Under Krsna's plan, free will exists as part of the natural constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) that allows them, under His plane, to voluntarily contribute to the relationship between Krsna making it a two-way reciprocal exchange.  

Only by Krsna’s sanction can the individual jiva-souls experience their unique distinctive free will (independence).

This is an obvious and only conclusion because without free will, there can never be genuine loving relationship with Krsna, where personal contributions, exchanges and reciprocation exist hand in hand with with Krsna. The individual jiva-souls would simply be like dead stone without expressing their free will as Prabhupada has explained.

The paradox of having free will is the individual jiva-souls can always express their own unique independence and individuality with their own unique contributions, while at the same time, Krsna remains always the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, which means not even a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna as Srila Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "As we generally say, not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus everything is moving under His will: by His will everything is being created, everything is being maintained, and everything is being annihilated." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, from the Vedic literature we can find evidence that this material manifestation, which appears to us to be very wonderful and great, is under the complete control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (Krsna)." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Krsna always sanctions free will (allows independent choices and voluntary participation) for the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, this allows them to choose how they want to contribute (serve) Krsna, or not serve Him if they choose. 

Without free will the individual jiva-souls can never participate in a "two-way" loving contributing relationship of voluntary exchange s and cooperation with Krsna.

It is important to understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna, even with the expression of their free will, or do anything without Krsna's sanction. 

However, even though they can never be independent from Krsna's energies, they can still express themselves separate from Krsna's Personality.

This is because each individual jiva-soul has their own unique independent personality, even though fully dependent on Krsna, it is always separately expressed as service to Krsna, or expressed by rejecting Krsna. 

Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to choose that gives meaning and purpose to what life really is. 

Krsna allows this to happen so there is always diversity and voluntary expression among the individual jiva-souls in their eternal existence.

In other words, the paradox is the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can always voluntary express their own unique independence and individuality even though Krsna is the Supreme Controller, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

As said above, not a blade of grass can move without Krsna's will. Krsna provides free will for the purpose of encouraging personal contributions in "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

This means the individual jiva-souls can always voluntary choose to offer Krsna their personal unique distinctive offerings, separate from Krsna's influence.

In the spiritual worlds of Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, loving devotional service to Krsna or Visnu is never a "one-way or one-sided" impersonal dictatorial affair, no, real loving exchanges or service is always voluntary, expressed in a reciprocal "two-way" exchange with Krsna or Visnu within their eternal Kingdoms.

Voluntary reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God serving Krsna or Visnu, can only be expressed in a genuine cooperative loving way based on devotional two-way exchanges, and personal contributions. 

This can only exist when there are "two" involved in loving exchanges nurtured and encouraged by the will of Krsna.

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are only expressed due Krsna allowing the individual jiva-souls to express their free will.

Such free will is always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with His devotees which adds flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God (Krsna) is not a one-sided dominating impersonal dictatorial stagnant domain devoid of free will, that does not allow personal voluntary contributions (offerings) to God (Krsna or Visnu), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.

As said above, loving exchanges or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence, it is always a two-way voluntary exchange.

The fact is, genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, and not one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in this "two-sided" affair of accepting Krsna or rejecting Krsna.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

The impersonalist foolish yogis want to become one with God which is not possible. Love is never one, it is only experienced when there are two persons voluntarily reciprocating with each other. To a devotee of Krsna and Viṣṇu, this impersonal philosophy is spiritual suicide. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense, proves that free will does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it, that is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence that allows free will, that is force that denies free will!" (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all relationships with Krsna, that allows them to voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Him in their own way.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible is it not? So God is also like the human form, here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body ifcI choose. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as flagpole, as chair, as chariot or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk about Rene Descartes)

As explained above, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna even though they can simultaneously express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that everything comes from Krsna, including free will-

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence (free will) because each are part and parcel of God who eternally has free will over His creation. The individual jiva-souls also have the quality of independence (free will) that Krsna has, but in a minute quantity. This quality of independent self expression (free will) is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-souls constitutional make up, individuality and personality."

Syamasundara dasa - "But does the individual jiva-soul have that little independence to choose on their own?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, not without the sanction of Krsna first. Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva-soul wants to act, Krsna firsts gives the orders of sanction. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Him we cannot do anything. Krsna is the ultimate cause of all causes."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying we have a little independence?"

Srila Prabhupada - "We have independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is confirming everything including free will comes from Krsna and He alone is the cause of all causes. 

Everything must first be sanctioned by Krsna because everything belongs to Him including the free will. 

As explained above, nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna first, eveything comes from Him, therefore, not even a blade of grass can move without first having the sanctioned of Krsna.*.*.*.















Thursday, December 11, 2025

The unique distinctive relationship between Krsna and His individual devotees is eternally a "two-way" exchange of loving exchanges, reciprocation and voluntary service that is never possible in a "one-sided" forced impersonal surrender.

This is why genuine loving exchanges can only be expressed when there are "two persons," and never be expressed by just "one" individual.

Srila Prabhupada – "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Krsna allows the eternal individual jiva-souls (devotees) in the spiritual world to continually re-invent themselves by voluntarily serving in a capacity they, as individuals, choose, by making their own unique contributions and offerings to Krsna.

This allows diversity and an unlimited range of variegatedness in the devotee's personal service to Krsna that is forever expanding their progressive independent contributions in the Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) infinitely expanding their voluntary participation, personal contributions and inspiration in an unlimited variety of unique ways serving and associating with Krsna in His never ending expanding blissful pastimes (lilas)

Krsna allows the individual jiva-souls (His devotees) to have their "free will" because He wants to see distinctive voluntary independent expressions of love towards Him from His devotee's personal choices with their own idiosyncratic thoughtful contributions on their own.

Krsna wants His devotees to voluntarily be personally creative in their independent offerings, friendship and service to Him.

In other words, Kṛṣṇa wants a "two-sided" open reciprocal cooperative contributing relationship of loving exchanges with His intimate devotees, where they can voluntarily express themselves as they choose, in their own unique way, as separate independent individuals from Krsna, yet simultaneously fully dependent on Him due to being His parts and parcels.

This means the devotees of Krsna should never surrender to a mindless puppetry “one-sided" dominating relationship, where the devotee is ordered what to think, and how to serve without being encouraged to think for themselves with their own unique personal voluntary contributions. 

Such a nonsense “one-sided” so called relationship in reality, is a loveless dictatorship and is impersonalism!

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. It never achieved by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that - ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Lecture, Washington DC July 8, 1976)

As said above, real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.

Krsna allows free will (voluntary self-expression) so His devotees can experience their own distinctive individuality by making their own offerings or contributions to Him in a way that forever expands loving exchanges and reciprocation in a "two-way" transition and never in a "one-sided" non-contributing loveless dictatorship.

In this way, "free will" only eternally exists for Krsna's devotees because Krsna wants a "two-way" contributing open relationship with His devotees, therefore Krsna always encourages self expression and unique personal contributions from His dear devotees that make the relationship a "two-sided" exchange of loving emotions.

The relationship with Krsna must be this way because love can never be experienced with just one, there must two, an open "two-sided" reciprocal relationship of mutual returns, cooperation and respect.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is always voluntary, some devotees desire to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower voluntary, and can change from flower to unlimited forms in the spiritual world including human form if the devotee desires, that is spiritual life, it is always voluntary with no restrictions. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Krsna gave His devotees their freedom (free-will) so they can voluntarily choose to serve Kṛṣṇa in unlimited creative ways, or even reject Him if they choose, this will only prove Krsna has allowed free will.

Ultimately, this is all Krsna's creation and how He manages it is entirely up to Him due to being the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

However, the devotees always have their freedom of self expression too that Krsna allows, it must be this way because Krsna knows if He never gave His devotees (the individual jīva-souls) their independence (free will to express themselves in their own distinctive way), then genuine loving exchanges, affection and reciprocation in a open two-way exchange, could never exist, making Krsna no different from an impersonal puppet master who manipulates and controls everything his surrounding puppets do and think.

Such a mindless dictatorial existence without free will, which means having the unique independent ability of self expression that allows one to personally choose their own voluntary offerings to contribute to Krsna, is dangerous impersonalism.

Therefore, Krsna's devotees (individual jiva-souls) are eternal independent thinking thoughtful spiritual living persons as an eternal spiritual bodily form, who are indestructible and can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter two explains.

On the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with His devotees that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association and intimate relationship.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (voluntary service and personal contributions)

Such a "one-sided" dictatorial relationship does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna) that are only found in a "two-way" relationship that expands, enriches and flavours the devotees personal voluntary service to Krsna.

In an impersonal "one-sided" relationship, where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, only denies the devotee's their individual God given ability of self expression that provides unique contributions and voluntary loving exchanges.

As said above, love or service is never a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or pre-eminence in the spiritual world because for love to flourish and expand, there must be two.

Genuine loving relationships between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees are based on voluntary reciprocal exchanges and personal contributions between two, love can never be experienced by just one.

The devotees (individual jiva-souĺs) have their own idiosyncratic choices on how they want to serve and please Krsna too, or they can even choose to reject Krsna if they want, this is the consequence of having free will.

Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word's "reciprocation" and "loving exchanges" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one.

The individual jiva-souĺs (devotees) have their choices too, even if that sometimes means rejecting Krsna and doing their own thing in the temporary material world.

The individual devotees in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to continuously increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna or Visnu.

This is achieved by forever positively discovering a variety of ways to expand their individual expressions of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Srila Prabhupada – "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity that denies personal contributions (impersonalism).

The individual devotee's relationship with Krsna is always based on "free will," this allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna, only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by Krsna's devotees, are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection to His devotees, putting the relationship on a "two-way" street of loving exchanges which means the individual jiva-souls  have their own unique independent thinking and chosen actions.

The relationship between Krsna and His devotees are eternally a "two-way" mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving expressions and affection between the devotees and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the individual devotee's independent expressions, coming from their independent execution of free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings to Krsna in the spiritual world that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.>**<.
















Wednesday, December 3, 2025

There was no beginning to the individual jiva-soul's existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains, the individual jiva-souls are eternal just like Krsna.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy, an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls, who have all existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity. 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living persons as a spiritual bodily form who can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible. 

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist for the individual jiva-souls if their asscociation with Krsna the Supreme Lord is not voluntary with personal contributions. 

The relationship with Kṛṣṇa only has purpose when there is a positive progressive meaningful "two-sided" variety of voluntary offerings based on mutual respect, reciprocation and unique distinctive loving service.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, chair, chariot, flagpole, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two-persons who between them, erience loving exchanges, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back home, back to Godhead. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Srila Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved, Kṛṣṇa is already lover, He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back to yourreal home in the spiritual world, that is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, My dear girl or My dear friend, My dear servants." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Bali Mardana dasa - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If one accepts Kṛṣṇa, they must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison, everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one-way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means the individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is sometimes under the internal energy (spiritual energy), or sometimes under the external energy (material energy). When the individual jiva-souls are under the internal energy (spiritual energy), that is their normal life, and when they are under the external energy (material energy), that is their abnormal life. Therefore, the individual jiva-souls are also called the marginal energy; they can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, their tendency is to remain under the internal energy (spiritual energy). Being in the external energy (material energy) is their artificial attempt to enjoy without Krsna." (Based on letter to Lilavati, Allston, Massachusetts, 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy (matter) or in the internal energy (anti-matter), in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy (matter). But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy, it is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy (matter) is not permanent. The internal energy (anti-matter) is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the individual jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Based on lecture on BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are always called marginal energy (known as individual living units [persons] of anti-matter) whether they are in the spiritual world, the material world or the impersonal brahmajyoti. There are instances where marginal energy (individual jiva-souls) have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Based on letter to Rayarama dasa, Dec 2, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Visnu-tattva who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes) The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-tattva or the independent individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) like us." (From BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every living being (individual jiva-soul) has a particular unique distinctive relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa siddhi perfection of one’s constitutional position." (Based on Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 27 Feb 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the individual jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy (individual jiva-souls) have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls), is a two-arm spiritual bodily form like Krsna's spiritual Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the individual jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul is not formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the individual jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the individual jiva-soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The individual jiva-soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is a two-arm, two leg spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body, and do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as impersonalists foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original spiritual body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary and individually creative always encouraged by Krsna, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as chair, as chariot, as flagpole or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Based on lecture from SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living persons as an eternal spiritual bodily form, who can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible and never cease to exist.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Marginal also means the individual jiva-souls have the choice to stay in the spiritual world, which is their natural home and position, or enter the temporary material world, which is the unnatural conditioned state of the individual jiva-souls.  

As said above, there is no origin to Krsna's marginal living entities (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity. 

The individual jiva-souls can fall down further to being a bodiless inactive (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, this condition is already a fallen unnatural artifical possition of the individual jiva-soul. 

The fact is, the individual jiva-soul's full potential is a spiritual bodily form (person) who are fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world, voluntarily serving Him as explained above, which is the individual jiva-soul's natural eternal home and original eternal position.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (inactive) [impersonal] Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of bodiless individual jiva-souls whose nature original eternal spiritual bodily form is suppressed.

Those individual eternal jiva-souls who foolishly seek out the inactivity in the impersonal brahmajyoti are compared to those attempting spiritual suicide.

They feel this way after becoming frustrated with the material world's temporary bodily vessels and the painful cycle of birth and death in the material world.

Becoming inactive or dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti means the individual jiva-souls have artificially appear there as a bodiless spiritual spark which is a further fallen conditioned state of the individual jiva-souls outside of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is an unnatural artificial condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential, is a spiritual bodily form (person) that is their natural state and original position in the spiritual world serving Krsna the Supreme Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated, the living entities first falling down to this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna cconsciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a "spiritual spark" is the unnatural artificial condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential is a person as a spiritual bodily individual form associating with Krsna as His voluntary servant in His eternal pastimes. 

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's spiritual Body.

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a bodiless artificial form (spiritual spark) is the unnatural fallen appearance and condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential, is a spiritual bodily form (person) originally like Krsna's form. 

Therefore, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's form is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The individual jiva-soul has got form but with our material eyes we foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "Man is made after the shape of God, so God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service and the individual jīva-souls spiritual bodily position (appearance) is always voluntary, if a devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as chair, as flagpole, as tree, as horse or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything because it is voluntary." (Based on lecture on SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

The original eternal home and position of the individual jiva-souls, is not some nonsense inactive impersonal formless bodiless artifical "spark" in the brahmajyoti or brahman (a temporary condition or appearance the individual jiva-souls can fall down too) as the impersonalists and mayavadis believe, nor do the individual jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti (a fallen condition) or the Body of Maha-Visnu, who is the creator of the temporary material world.

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to, Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant bodiless) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, a natural bodily form, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal bodiless stage. The jiva-soul wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara dasa - "Does the individual jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is spirit, originally spiritual bodily identity as form already. But as we are now developing material body in the material world, similarly we can again revive the our spiritual bodily form."

Revatīnandana dasa - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the individual jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen individual jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm an individual jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all individual jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Based on discussion between Srila Prabhupada and Revatīnandana dasa, Aug 17, 1971, London UK)

As said above, the original form of the individual jiva-souls is a "two-arms, two-leg" form like Krsna, and their original (eternal) home is either in the Vaikuntha planets or with Krsna and Caitanya Mahāprabhu on Goloka Vrindavana.

Only when the individual jiva-souls voluntarily choose to leave Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the Vaikuntha planets, do they manifest a four armed form like Lord Visnus or Lord Narayana but also can appear in unlimited other forms their too. 

There are unlimited different perpetual personal Vaikuntha planets that take up 3/4 of the spiritual sky, along with Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana, each Vaikuntha planet have their own Visnu form, each with a unique name that describes the pastimes on their particular Vaikuntha planet. 

Visnu/Narayana Forms are all expansion of Krsna via Krsna's first expansion, Krsna's older brother Balarama.

Also, surrender to Krsna does not mean you "surrender" your intelligence, your free will and the ability to express yourself as the independent person you are eternally.

These special qualities gives meaning to the jiva-souls existence that allows the individual jiva-souls to express themselves independently from Krsna, yet simultaneously be always fully dependent on Krsna unconditionally.

Such personal voluntary service deepens one's loving reciprocation with Krsna with variegatedness and personal exchanges that enhances, enriches and forever continues to add flavour to one's unique relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Loving exchanges, cooperation, reciprocation and voluntary expressions, expressed as a variety of services that come through the individual jiva-soul's unique distinctive independent personality.

Voluntary expressions must be there so voluntary contributions happen within one's relationship with Krsna, by serving Him in a "two-way" exchange that makes the relationship personal, caring and genuine.

Loving feelings, emotions and personal unique expressions of voluntary service towards Krsna can only exist in a "two-sided" exchange, where the individual jiva-souls are able to voluntarily add to their relationship and friendship with Krsna.

In other words, loving devotional service, individual unique contributions and reciprocation only exist when they are "voluntary" and expressed under a "two-way" banner where the individual jiva-soul's unique contributions adds to one's personal relationship of loving exchanges with Krsna.

These qualities can only be expressed, grow and expand by having "free will," (the freedom of voluntary self-expression), this is why the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are eternally expanding with unlimited devotional mellows and lilas (never ending pastimes with Krsna).

Loving reciprocation, co-operation and exchanges can only exist by having the free will to voluntarily contribute to one's relationship with Krsna with unique distinctive creative personal offerings. 

This allows the individual jiva-souls to participate selflessly in serving Krsna by contributing to the relationship in their own unique way. and not allow any one to impersonally control your every thought, actions and deeds like a puppet master controls and manipulates his mindless puppets.

In the spiritual worlds (anti-matter) of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, one can never be influenced by maya or material energy (matter) because maya and the material energy do not exist there in the spiritual world.

This Includes material desires that also can not exist there. However, free will always exists on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana.  

Devotee - "Is our desires that are not centred around Krsna,  the cause of our fall down, which is the misuse of our free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions based on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 18 text 63 explains free will. 

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Thus I have explained to you knowledge still more confidential. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do." (BG, Ch 18 text 63)

Purport by Srila Prabhupada:

"The Lord has already explained to Arjuna the knowledge of brahma-bhūta. One who is in the brahma-bhūta condition is joyful; he never laments, nor does he desire anything. That is due to confidential knowledge. 

Kṛṣṇa also discloses knowledge of the Supersoul. This is also Brahman knowledge, knowledge of Brahman, but it is superior.

Here the words yathecchasi tathā kuru – 

“As you like, you may act”

This indicates that God does not interfere with the little independence (free will) of the living entity (individual jiva-soul) 

In Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord has explained in all respects how one can elevate his living condition. The best advice imparted to Arjuna is to surrender unto the Supersoul seated within his heart. By right discrimination, one should agree to act according to the order of the Supersoul. That will help one become situated constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the highest perfectional stage of human life. 

Arjuna is being directly ordered by the Personality of Godhead to fight. Surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead is in the best interest of the living entities. It is not for the interest of the Supreme. 

Before surrendering, one is free to deliberate on this subject as far as the intelligence goes; that is the best way to accept the instruction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Such instruction comes also through the spiritual master, the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa." (BG, Ch 18 text 63 Purport).×××.













Tuesday, December 2, 2025

Does ISKCON (The Hare Krishna Movement) believe in free will?

Yes, ISKCON believes in free will, but it is a "minute" or limited free will (self-expression) while the individual jiva-souls are restricted to the material world (temporary matter). 

Only in the spiritual world, which is made up of perpetual living units of anti-matter eternally appearing as individual spiritual bodily personalities, do the individual jiva-souls always have their free will in its full potential. 

However, in the temporary material world (matter), the fallen individual jiva-souls are under the control of Maha-Visnu's material nature of repeated birth and death.

Only in the human species numbering 400,000 out of the 8 million 400 thousand, does the individual jiva-souls have limited freedom of expression (free will) and can voluntarily turn to God by first finding a bonafide Spiritual Master or teacher. 

Free will is essential so the individual jiva-souls can participate in voluntary service and self-determination so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with God. 

Such self-expression expands their loving exchanges and unique service contributions to God (Krsna). 

This ability of choosing means the individual jiva-souls can voluntary contribute to their relationship with God in their own way, or can act against God's divine instructions. 

Without the possibility of choice, there can be no true love, reciprocation or loving exchanges, but ISKCON also emphasizes that the ultimate outcome of all actions are dependent on a higher sanction and the divine will of Kṛṣṇa.

After all, everything is Kṛṣṇa's creation and belongs to Him making Him the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

Free will has meaning only when one can choose to do wrong or right. The misuse of free will is what leads the individual jiva-souls to fall from the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter Maha-Visnu's temporary decaying material world of repeated birth and death.

The individual jiva-souls only then have limited freedom in the material world, and only while in the rare human form of life, this allows them to choose their pious and impious actions while trapped in a temporary material human bodily vessel within the material creation.

However, this choice of actions only minutely happens within the "human species (human form)" that leads to the accumulations of a back log of good and bad deeds (karma) performed while in a human bodily form.

This backlog or build up of Karmic reactions, creates future reactions this human form or the next bodily vessel that punish or reward the embodied individual jiva-souls trapped in the material creation. 

Ultimately, everything in God's material creation is overseen by the laws of material nature. This means that while free will is restricted in the temporary material world, it is never eliminated. Only while the individual jiva-soul is in a material bodily vessel in the material world, is free will limited (in the human species) or non existent (in the lower species).

In the lower species of life in the material world, there are 8 million species where free will does not exist, there is only the bodily instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending influenced by geological surroundings. 

Unlike the decaying material world (matter), free will in its full potential only exists unrestricted in the perpetual spiritual world (anti-matter) known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God) 

The ability to serve and love Krsna voluntarily is only possible because of free will. If one were forced, it would not be love, but "threatening."

While free will eternally exists, the ultimate outcome of one's actions is always determined by God's (Krsna's) will through His sanctions. 

This means that while the individual jiva-souls can choose their path, the consequences and the overall outcome is always in the hands of Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. In other words, everything must be first sanctioned by Krsna because everything belongs to Him.  

Free will exists because Krsna allows it, just so the individual jiva-souls can make their own voluntary contributions. Only by Krsna’s sanction and grace do they have the "free will" to do this.

Free will, or the ability to choose and contribute in your own unique way, is eternally part and parcel of the individual jiva-soul's (marginal living entities) natural constitution and always exists without beginning or end in the spiritual planets. 

The material creation also exists for those individual jiva-souls who choose to fall down (reject Krsna) from the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.  

However, the material worlds are never the real natural home of the individual jiva-souls which means their full freedom can never be experienced in the material creation while covered by the material energy in the form of a material bodily container or vessel, therefore, their natural home is never the material worlds.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we may rebel and miss use it and choose to enter the material creation?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go and try to enjoy on your own." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "all right, you enjoy like this, it is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?" Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence (free will), that is force. In Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy and demand "You love me, you love me, you love me!" Is that love? "You love me otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls is never a one-way or one-sided relationship that denies personal contributions which is an array of unique offerings and choices from the individual jiva-souls, no, love is always based on the reciprocation between "two" because love can only exist when there are "two" engaged in loving exchanges as Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person as an eternal spiritual bodily form in their full potential, who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose. 

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces the individual jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that loving exchange must be voluntary.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary, only then it is genuine love." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

In the following conversation Srila Prabhupada is explaining to us that Krsna is always in control because He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. This includes allowing the individual jiva-souls to have their independence or free will, explained here-

Syamasundara dasa - ''Do the individual jiva-souls have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''No, not without Krsna's sanction first. Bhagavad Gita states that when the individual jiva-souls wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

What Srila Prabhupada is saying here, is the individual jiva-souls cannot have their little independence (free will) without first being sanctioned by Krsna. This is because everything belongs to Krsna and He alone is the cause of all causes. 

It is Krsna's will alone that allows the individual jiva-souls to have their freedom for the purpose of allowing a "two-way" loving relationship with Krsna based on a two-way open exchange He has with the individual jiva-souls which means allowing them to voluntary participate in Krsna's pastimes if they choose. 

Syamasundara dasa - "So, do the individual jiva-souls have free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Kṛṣṇa we cannot do anything, therefore He is the ultimate cause of all causes." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View).

Under Krsna's plan, free will exists as part of the natural constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul). Only by Krsna’s sanction are the individual jiva-souls allowed to have their unique free will (independence).

The obvious and only conclusion is without free will there can never be a genuine loving relationship with Krsna, where personal cooperation, voluntary service, loving exchanges, unique contributions and reciprocation exist hand in hand with with Krsna. 

The individual jiva-souls would simply be like dead stone if they could not express their free will Prabhupada has explained.

The paradox of having free will, means the individual jiva-souls can always express their own unique independence and individuality with their own unique contributions, while at the same time Krsna always remains the Supreme controller and Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the cause of all causes, which means not even a blade of grass can move without first being sanctioned by Krsna as Srila Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "As we generally say, not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus everything is moving under His will: by His will everything is being created, everything is being maintained, and everything is being annihilated." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, from the Vedic literature we can find evidence that this material manifestation, which appears to us to be very wonderful and great, is under the complete control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead (Krsna)." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Krsna always sanctions free will by allowing independent choices and voluntary participation from His individual jiva-souls (devotees) in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, this allows them to choose how they want to contribute (serve) Krsna, or even not serve Him if they choose. 

Without free will the individual jiva-souls can never participate in a "two-way" loving contributing relationship with Krsna.

It is important to understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna's energies, even with the expression of their free will, or do anything without Krsna's sanction. 

However, even though they can never be independent from Krsna's energies, they can still express themselves separate from Krsna's Personality.

This is because each individual jiva-soul has their own unique independent personality, even though fully dependent on Krsna, it is always separately expressed as service to Krsna, or expressed by rejecting Krsna. 

Krsna always allows the individual jiva-souls to make their own choices, this gives meaning, purpose, productivity and unique voluntary creative service in Krsna's pastimes that forever expand the relationship between Krsna and His devotees. This is what life really is. 

Krsna allows this to happen so there is always diversity and voluntary expression among the individual jiva-souls in their eternal existence with Krsna.

In other words, the paradox is the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can always voluntary express their own unique independence and individuality even though Krsna is the Supreme Controller, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. As said above, "not a blade of grass can move without Krsna's will."

Krsna provides free will to the individual jiva-souls for the purpose of encouraging personal unique contributions from them in a "two-way" relationship based on loving emotions and reciprocal exchanges.  

This means the individual jiva-souls can always voluntary offer to Krsna their own personal unique offerings separate from Krsna's influence or demands if they choose.

In the spiritual world's of Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, loving devotional service to Krsna or Visnu is never a "one-way or one-sided" impersonal dictatorial affair, no, real love or service is always voluntary, expressed in a reciprocal "two-way" exchange within Krsna or Visnu within their eternal Kingdoms.

Voluntary reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God serving Krsna or Visnu can only be expressed in a genuine loving way based on devotional exchanges, cooperation and personal contributions. 

This can only exist when there are "two" involved in loving exchanges nurtured and encouraged by the will of Krsna.

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are only expressed due to Krsna allowing the individual jiva-souls to independently express their free will.

Such free will is always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with His devotees (the individual jiva-souls) which adds flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God (Krsna) is not a one-sided dominating impersonal dictatorial stagnant domain devoid of free will (freedom of voluntary expression), that does not allow personal contributions (offerings) to God (Krsna or Visnu), meant to expand, enrich and forever flavour the relationship.

As said above, love or service to Krsna is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence, it is always a "two-way" voluntary exchange. This means genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, and not one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the individual jiva-souls can express themselves in this "two-sided" affair of accepting Krsna or rejecting Krsna.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

The impersonalist foolish yogis want to become one with God which is not possible. Love is never one, it is only experienced when there is two. 

To a devotee of Krsna and Viṣṇu this impersonal philosophy is spiritual suicide. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense, proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it, that is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence that allows free will, that is force that denies free will!" (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all relationships with Krsna, that allows them to voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Him in their own way.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Devotee – "Is the original (eternal) spiritual body of the individual jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible is it not? So God is also like the human form, here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is always voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body ifcI choose. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as flagpole, as chair, as chariot or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy)

As explained above, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna even though they can simultaneously express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that everything comes from Krsna, including free will-

Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each are part and parcel of God, thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity, that is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "But does the individual jiva-soul have that little independence to choose on their own?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, not without the sanction of Krsna first. Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva soul wants to act, Krsna firsts gives the orders of sanction. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first, without Him we cannot do anything. Krsna is the ultimate cause of all causes."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying we have a little independence?"

Srila Prabhupada - "We have independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is confirming everything including free will comes from Krsna and He alone is the cause of all causes because it is His creation and everything is owned by Him.

Everything must first be sanctioned by Krsna because, as clearly said above, everything belongs to Krsna including the free will the individual jiva-souls have. 

Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna therefore, "not even a blade of grass can move without the will of the Lord."..**