Material bodily vessels come from the dreams of Maha-Visnu and are therefore a permanent fixture or 'post' in the mahat-tattva, or the material energy's roadway of "past, present and future" that is traversed by an unlimited number of jiva-souls.
Maha-Visnu's dreams are eternal and exist above the material energies movement of material time, therefore His "dreams" are always available for "hire" by the visiting jiva-souls from Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana who choose to enter the material creation.
Srila Prabhupada - "When the jiva-souls enters the material world, they must "hire" a suitable material body off Maha-Visnu." (Lecture on BG New York City 1966)
Everything in the material creation is owned by Maha-Visnu and the visiting jiva-souls receive their material bodily vessels and fascilities from Him.
After all, all material vessels belong to Maha-Visnu and the jiva-souls experience His dreams that are simultaneously in sync with the jiva-soul's desires.
In the material creation these jiva-souls are known as nitya-baddha, meaning they are eternally conditioned under the influence of material energy or Maya and are now covered by a temporary material bodily vessel.
And in the spiritual worlds of Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha the jiva-souls are known as nitya-siddha or fully Krsna conscious.
Free will allows the individual jiva-souls to choose to be either nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) or nitya-siddha (eternally liberated)
Srila Prabhupada - "The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is nitya-siddha." (CC, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back home. It is a difficult task.'' (New York lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - ''By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back home. It is a difficult task.'' (New York lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)
In this way the dreams of Maha-Visnu are a permanent back drop to the mahat-tattva or material energy's past, present and future.
How past, present and future exist simultaneously as a blue-print (which means an entire roadway from beginning, middle and end) within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Bhagavad-gītā Ch 11 text 7-
"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything — moving and nonmoving — is here completely, in one place."
Srila Prabhupada - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see everything." (BG Ch 11 text 7)
There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls), we have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the short 55 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World in 1965.
The movement of time is eternal while this temporary material universe exists.
Yes, it's a paradox because everything is in a state of decay or decomposition in the material creation under the movement of material time's past, present and future but has no effect on Maha-Visnu.
In other words, Maha-Visnu's "dreams" are separate (and above) the material decaying influence of time (past, present and future), therefore His dreams are a permanent roadway "above" the temporary decomposing influence of the material energies movement of space and time.
Only when Maha-Visnu's dreams are activated within the material creation, by the movement of past, present and future, does the temporary decaying nature of the material creation start on the bodily vessels and its surroundings that came from Maha-Visnu's library of dreams.
All material bodily vessels or containers are part and parcel of material time and space, a permanent fixture within Maha-Visnu's dreams.
However, only when the jiva-soul chooses to enter a material body from Maha-Visnu's dreams, and become the passengers in those material bodies within the material energy, does the temporary decaying effect on the material bodily vessels begin.
This is because now a dreams from Maha-Visnu has been actived by a jiva-soul and placed under the movement of material time or past, present and future which means impermanence and a progression of decomposition.
This is how entering the material creation works.
As soon as the jiva-soul enters a material body from Maha-Visnu's dreams immediately the temporary decaying aspect of that material body it activated, but only AFTER being "hired" from Maha-Visnu's "library of dreams."
The individual living entities or jiva-souls exists restricted to a material bodily vessel given to them by Maha-Visnu according to their independent desires and the reactions (karma) to past pious and impious activity in a previous material human bodies.
Past, present and future in the material creation exist simultaneously? How this occurs is explained above.
Because of the independent desires of the individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul), they can stay in the material creations cycle of repeated birth and death for an almost eternity.
In fact they can stay for so long that the arrangement of material energy in the material creation would eventually repeat itself over and over again over that eternity.
This is simple to understand, over an eternity the combinations of material energy would be exhausted until again it begins repeating itself, actually this is what "eternity" does.
There is no harm in philosophical speculation as long as we do not deviate from sastra, how else are we to learn?
Many have asked, "could the past activities of Arjuna still be happening today somewhere in the universe with another jiva-soul playing that part?"
Due to the past, present and future happening simultaneously, well could his bodily vessel also be a 'post' like Brahmas?
Meaning only those individual marginal living entities or jiva-souls who are qualified can also experience that relationship with Kṛṣṇa while in that vessel playing the part of Arjuna.
If this is true, the material bodily vessels are a permanent pathway or roadway the visiting jiva-soul chooses to go down experiencing its beginning, middle and end under the movement of material time's past, present and future.
There is no harm in philosophical speculation as long as we do not deviate from sastra, how else are we to learn?
Many have asked, "could the past activities of Arjuna still be happening today somewhere in the universe with another jiva-soul playing that part?"
Due to the past, present and future happening simultaneously, well could his bodily vessel also be a 'post' like Brahmas?
Meaning only those individual marginal living entities or jiva-souls who are qualified can also experience that relationship with Kṛṣṇa while in that vessel playing the part of Arjuna.
If this is true, the material bodily vessels are a permanent pathway or roadway the visiting jiva-soul chooses to go down experiencing its beginning, middle and end under the movement of material time's past, present and future.
Therefore unlimited batches of individual jiva-souls can choose the same permanent roadway too and possess that material bodily vessel from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
There is no repetition or reoccurrence of the material universe there is only the permanent roadways (material bodily vessels) "hired" from Maha-Visnu so the jiva-souls can enter into.
Unlike the material energy, the spiritual energy is made up of Krsna's variety of individual living entities or expansions known as Visnu-tattva, Siva-tattva and jiva-tattva.
The jiva-souls or jiva-tattva living entities have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities having 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes and have their independence and free will that allows them to have their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality.
The Visnu-tattva more direct expansions of Krsna and almost no different as God have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities having 60 of Krsna's 64 attributes.
Then there is Siva-tattva who is in a league of his own in between Visnu-tattva and jiva-tattva having 84.375% of Krsna's qualities having 55 of Krsna's 64 attributes.
Therefore unlike the material energy that is all one energy in its original state, the spiritual energy is NOT all one, it is made up of a variety of individual living entities as a spiritual bodily form that includes the jiva-souls.
Krsna is the Supreme individual Person as a spiritual bodily form with 2 arms, two legs etc as His eternal appearance.
All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their original position (bodily form), are also in Krsna's image Srila Prabhupāda explains here.
Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"
Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."
Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB 6.1.1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)
The material energy makes up all the material bodily shells, vessels or containers that the jiva-souls are in, are all one, but NOT the jiva-souls who are eternally individual life forms.
For example when the material body we are in wears out and decays, it breaks down and merges back into the "oneness of material energy".
Only the jiva-soul never decays and eternally remains an individual person.
All the material bodily vessels that the jiva-souls hires from Maha-Visnu's dream, are a permanent fixture in His dreams that are eternally available to those jiva-souls who foolishly choose to enter the material creation.
Only the jiva-soul never decays and eternally remains an individual person.
All the material bodily vessels that the jiva-souls hires from Maha-Visnu's dream, are a permanent fixture in His dreams that are eternally available to those jiva-souls who foolishly choose to enter the material creation.
Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations.
Keep in mind, the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are mind boggling and very complex, and if Arjuna could view past, present and future simultaneously, it only means they all exist simultaneously as he saw it.
I have not found anything on this subject to verify or deny these realizations but this would also mean time travel is possible because the past and future already exist like the beginning, middle and end of a roadway already exists.
However, it would impossible to change the past or future as it is fixed like the roadway is fixed and already built.
One can only travel through what is already there, what already exists like travelling on that road (bodily pathway) that already exists.
Another example is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.
Another explanation is many believe the material body we are now in is a 'post', meaning it is always available for "hire" from the library of Maha-Visnu's dreams.
One can only travel through what is already there, what already exists like travelling on that road (bodily pathway) that already exists.
Another example is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.
Another explanation is many believe the material body we are now in is a 'post', meaning it is always available for "hire" from the library of Maha-Visnu's dreams.
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time and space itself is recorded on the eternal level in the material universe and we can take our next birth in a bodily vessel that has already existed in past time, present time or future time.
That means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway of that body is already existing in another time zone because each material body is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the maha-tattva.
What I am trying to say here is all the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are all happening 'now' which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we can move into any bodily vessel that exists in the past, present or the future.
The material energy is all one but NOT the life force that is individual units as Prabhupada has taught us.
This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that moves through all material bodily species.
Their ideas are wrong and these ideas has nothing to do with such impersonalism.
In the material creation everything already exists like a long roadway already exists.
Similarly the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, that we possess, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that bodily vessel container for its journey.
In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in the material body they worship after being trained up to be qualified to take that birth which in itself would take many, many, many births just for the opportunity to be famous for one insignificant life time.
What a ignorant selfish waste of time.
If those souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous bodily materialistic existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the heavenly planets.
Just like one can take the 'post' of Lord Brahma if they are qualified.
So could all materials vessels be 'posts like Brahmas?'
Yes I believe so.
Usually the most pious living entity in this material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifeasts.
In the same way; we all take a material bodily vessel according to our pious and impious activities or karma.
All individual living entities perceive time as a chain of events moving through past, present and future.
However, from above, like a journey on a road where one sees the beginning of one's journey to the end, could mean "materially" that all past, present and future exist together like every point on the journey of a roadway does.
Conclusion
The concept in the above essay is suggesting all material pathways always exist allowing others jiva-souls to also traverse the same roadway.
What is said above in this essay is that all material bodily vessels we are in are the property of Maha-Visnu that can only be "hired" from Him.
From Maha-Visnu's dreams, every senerio conceivable is already existing, meaning from His point of view, all past, present and future eternally are existing as Arjuna experienced.
Maha-Visnu's library of dreams are similar to a "costume shop" full of many different costumes (bodily pathways) one can choose to hire from Maha-Visnu and enter.
Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation must first go this so costume shop (the dreams of the sleeping Maha-Visnu) and "hire" a particular material bodily roadway that matches their desires for entering the material creation.
Maha-Visnu owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel with everything else in the material creation He is dreaming.
Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu's dreams and "hire" a material body from His dreaming.
It is these material bodies (from Maha-Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls must choose from just like one chooses a costumes from a Fancy dress store.
Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna.
The fact is, Arjuna is always with Krsna somewhere in the material creation, in innumerable different material universes existing inside each Brahmanda universal shell at the same time.
That means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway of that body is already existing in another time zone because each material body is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the maha-tattva.
What I am trying to say here is all the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are all happening 'now' which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we can move into any bodily vessel that exists in the past, present or the future.
The material energy is all one but NOT the life force that is individual units as Prabhupada has taught us.
This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that moves through all material bodily species.
Their ideas are wrong and these ideas has nothing to do with such impersonalism.
In the material creation everything already exists like a long roadway already exists.
Similarly the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, that we possess, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that bodily vessel container for its journey.
In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in the material body they worship after being trained up to be qualified to take that birth which in itself would take many, many, many births just for the opportunity to be famous for one insignificant life time.
What a ignorant selfish waste of time.
If those souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous bodily materialistic existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the heavenly planets.
Just like one can take the 'post' of Lord Brahma if they are qualified.
So could all materials vessels be 'posts like Brahmas?'
Yes I believe so.
Usually the most pious living entity in this material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifeasts.
In the same way; we all take a material bodily vessel according to our pious and impious activities or karma.
All individual living entities perceive time as a chain of events moving through past, present and future.
However, from above, like a journey on a road where one sees the beginning of one's journey to the end, could mean "materially" that all past, present and future exist together like every point on the journey of a roadway does.
Conclusion
The concept in the above essay is suggesting all material pathways always exist allowing others jiva-souls to also traverse the same roadway.
What is said above in this essay is that all material bodily vessels we are in are the property of Maha-Visnu that can only be "hired" from Him.
From Maha-Visnu's dreams, every senerio conceivable is already existing, meaning from His point of view, all past, present and future eternally are existing as Arjuna experienced.
Maha-Visnu's library of dreams are similar to a "costume shop" full of many different costumes (bodily pathways) one can choose to hire from Maha-Visnu and enter.
Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation must first go this so costume shop (the dreams of the sleeping Maha-Visnu) and "hire" a particular material bodily roadway that matches their desires for entering the material creation.
Maha-Visnu owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel with everything else in the material creation He is dreaming.
Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu's dreams and "hire" a material body from His dreaming.
It is these material bodies (from Maha-Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls must choose from just like one chooses a costumes from a Fancy dress store.
Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna.
The fact is, Arjuna is always with Krsna somewhere in the material creation, in innumerable different material universes existing inside each Brahmanda universal shell at the same time.
Therefore, there are many jiva-souls playing the part of Arjuna Prabhupada has explained, why not, he has said.
Also a jiva-soul using their full potential of 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, can expand themselves into many different material bodies but be just the one jiva-soul in up to 8 material bodily vessels.
This is achieved because the one jiva-soul expands himself into up to eight different material bodily vessels that are all controlled by just one jiva-soul.
What about Lord Brahma?
Each Lord Brahmas in his universe material universes, is a different jiva-soul than all the other Brahmas, they are NOT all the one jiva-soul.
So in every Lord Brahma's body there is a different jiva-soul every time a new material universe is created.
Each Lord Brahmas in his universe material universes, is a different jiva-soul than all the other Brahmas, they are NOT all the one jiva-soul.
So in every Lord Brahma's body there is a different jiva-soul every time a new material universe is created.
Actually it's the same for all material bodies because they are all 'posts' in the material creation, all "hired" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Therefore all Brahmas are NOT the same jiva-soul, there are millions of different individual jiva-souls playing the role of Brahma, Arjuna, the demigods and within all other material bodily forms.
Therefore all Brahmas are NOT the same jiva-soul, there are millions of different individual jiva-souls playing the role of Brahma, Arjuna, the demigods and within all other material bodily forms.
