The Apollo Moon missions between 1969 and 1972 were NO Hoax! They did happen and it is foolish to believe they did not happen.
This technically means there are really "two Moons" one ''subtle'' and one ''gross'' not properly researched by ISKCON devotees today as an answer to the Moon controversies and nonsense conspiracy theories that even Prabhupada was miss led by.
In other words the answer is, there are ''two Moon realities'' in the same space, one we can see and visit in a gross material body, and other we can not see or visit.
Therefore we cannot enter Chandraloka in a gross material body because this subtle realm is a higher dimensional heavenly reality it seems.
Even though there is no proof and this idea is only speculation, it is the only alternative answer to Prabhupada's claim they never went to the Moon.
The only other answer is he is talking silly nonsense if you do not believe the "subtle reality heavenly realm answer".
Just like his idea the Moon is further away from the Earth than Sun mentioned in his Purport in the 8th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam.
Frankly this Purport is incorrect, the Moon is NOT further away from Earth than the Sun later revealed in the Surya Siddhanta Book by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur rediscovered in 1978 that tells us the Moon is 258,000 miles from Earth, close to the modern day figure of 238,000 miles from Earth.
So that 8th Canto Purport should be changed because it is wrong.
And we know today the Moon IS reached in three days as India, Japan, China, Russia, European Union, United States, Israel are all proving today.
It is NOT 96,000 000 miles away as that 8th Canto Purport wrongly claims.
Only fools believe all these Nations are all in on some stupid nonsense hoax.
So even though hard and painful for some devotees to accept the Spiritual Master is WRONG, the fact is Prabhupada is WRONG about the Moon distance from Earth.
Sadly sentimental devotees who blindly follow Prabhupada will never accept REAL reality.
They instead foolishly believe-
1 - The Moon distance from Earth is 96,000 000 miles said by Prabhupada in an 8th Canto Purport.
2 - All Moon rocks come from the Arizona desert (another silly comment by Prabhupada).
3 - And the Apollo missions between 1969 and 1972 were all a hoax (another incorrect comment by Prabhupada).
So stop quoting those comments by Prabhupada that were said in the early 1970s in so many lectures, room conversations and morning walks, it's all talk based on the ignorance of the 1970s.
So the ONLY answer to the Moon controversy is -
1 - The Moon reality we see in our "gross" material body is called the "gross Moon" that the Apollo Astronauts DID go too.
2 - The other Moon reality we do NOT see in our gross material bodily vessel, is the "subtle material Moon" or a heavenly reality in a higher dimensional plane only accessible by being in a "subtle body" and having the right accumulation of pious activity (karma).
This conclusion is reached because the Moon has two realities -
1 - Subtle material reality.
2 - Gross matter material reality.
We in a gross material body cannot see or experience the "subtle matter reality" but we CAN see and experience the "gross matter reality".
This also answers how man could go to the Moon.
Lets look at the facts in 2019 about these old 1970s Moon landing conspiracy theories claiming, even by Srila Prabhupada however, he really meant they could never go to the "subtle reality" of the Moon?
Over 450,000 people worked on the Apollo missions that eventually took man to the Moon in the late 1960s, to keep a secret among all these people that it was all some clever hoax is impossible.
And today in 2019 many Countries are continuously sending spacecrafts to the Moon, it is not only NASA anymore, it is China, India, Japan, Russia, Israel, European Union.
The manned Moon landings between 1969 and 1972 DID happen without any doubt, the evidence is overwhelming!
And if Srila Prabhupada's opinion does NOT convince me the Moon manned landings never happened and was "all bluff", then no one else has any chance of convincing me we never went to the "gross Moon".
Srila Prabhupada always maintained they never went to the Moon but I believe he really meant the "subtle reality of the Moon".
This technically means there are really "two Moons" not considered by the devotees back in the early 1970s.
The Moon landings therefore were NOT a hoax or some silly Government conspiracy that only 6% of Americans believe in 2019.
And Prabhupada's reasons they never went to the Moon are different from those mundane Conspiracy theories found on many nonsense YouTube videos.
This is because Srila Prabhupada knows there is a higher material heavenly reality on the Moon that we in gross material bodies and gross material technologies cannot visit or even perceive.
But the visiting to the "gross Moon" we do perceive is very possible.
The Moon landings therefore were NOT a hoax or some silly Government conspiracy that only 6% of Americans believe in 2019.
And Prabhupada's reasons they never went to the Moon are different from those mundane Conspiracy theories found on many nonsense YouTube videos.
This is because Srila Prabhupada knows there is a higher material heavenly reality on the Moon that we in gross material bodies and gross material technologies cannot visit or even perceive.
But the visiting to the "gross Moon" we do perceive is very possible.
What we see in the sky and what the Astronauts visited was the ONLY the "gross Moon" and NOT the "subtle Moon" that is not seen from within a gross material bodily vessel.
If we see the Moon from earth then that must be the "gross reality Moon" otherwise we would not be able to see it.
If we see it then we can visit it however we are NOT qualified to see Chandraloka that is also there in a higher dimension.
If we see it then we can visit it however we are NOT qualified to see Chandraloka that is also there in a higher dimension.
Since 1969, many have said they never went to the Moon, so it was not just Prabhupada saying this.
This was also because very little of this new technology was understood back in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
Even by Prabhupada, and especially by his very young disciples, some with university degrees, Never understood.
Nearly all of his disciples in 1969 were in their early 20s, some even teenages.
Even by Prabhupada, and especially by his very young disciples, some with university degrees, Never understood.
Nearly all of his disciples in 1969 were in their early 20s, some even teenages.
Today in 2019 it is nonsense to continue these conspiracy theories they never went to the Moon.
As said above, It seems Srila Prabhupada really meant they NEVER went to the "subtle heavenly realm on the Moon" called Chandraloka, and he is right!
But they DID go to the same Moon we see at night (the gross Moon) which seems he did not see this aspect back in the 1970s that make the Moon landings possible.
This means the Moon is "subtle and gross" matter, making two Moons in different realities. We cannot see the subtle matter but we CAN see the gross matter.
After all we all see the Moon at night which is the gross aspect of the Moon.
At the time back then in 1969 they did not understand any of this, it is even fair to say that Srila Prabhupada wanted to understand it further by finding a Vedic Cosmologist who could teach us.
Srila Prabhupada had said he did not know everything about Vedic Cosmology and therefore sent Tamal Krishna Maharaj to Southern India in search of an advanced Brahmana who could teach us the science of Vedic Cosmology and how to properly understand it.
Discussion with that Southern Brahmin is found here-
The fact is they DID go to the Moon but was only to "the gross Moon" did they see and experienced that we also see from earth.
They could not see or enter the "subtle material heavenly atmosphere of Chandraloka" also being Moon.
To be clear, they NEVER went to the "subtle heavenly realm on the Moon called Chandraloka" that we also cannot see, detect or visit in these gross material bodies.
However the Astronauts DID go to the same Moon we see at night but was the "gross Moon" they visited.
This means the Moon we see from Earth MUST be the gross aspect of the Moon otherwise we would not be able to see the Moon at night or day.
Srila Prabhupada always maintained they never went to the Moon but I believe he really meant the "subtle reality of the Moon".
ReplyDeleteThis technically means there are really "two Moons" one ''subtle'' and one ''gross'' not properly researched by the devotees today as an answer to the Moon controversies and conspiracy theories that in the past has caused many to leave ISKCON
In other words the answer could be explained that there are''two Moons'' in the same space,
Here is an article explaining how this "subtle" and "gross" Moons are related:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.ashishdalela.com/2018/03/03/did-we-land-on-the-moon/
What we call "gross Moon" is like a mailbox on your property. You can go there, you can study what it's made of, but it won't tell you anything about how actual mail service operates.
Mail service is a different kind of reality, its conceptual and its workings are understood by the mind, but at the same time mail box is your local representation of it.
In a similar way the Moon we see in the sky is Moon's representation for those beings who only perceive sense objects as being real and everything else as "subtle".
So we can go there, collect Moon dust, leave Moon footprints, but because we are still operating with sense objects we won't lift an inch from Bhu Mandala, which is the realm of sense perceptions.
Going up and down Vedic universe is not a matter of changing location in our 3D space, it's a matter of changing our level of perception, ie demigods can read our minds directly because it's their kind of reality, their kind of conditioning, but we need to see eyes, facial expressions, hear the voice, and then we still can only guess what's going on in somebody else's mind.