Thursday, June 20, 2019

There are important letters written by Prabhupada he instructed be presented and distributed as a Book. There is no difference between Prabhupada's lectures, letters (in most cases) morning walks and all his Books.

It is true many letters are personal, yes what one Maharaj has said is partly correct however, there are other letters by Prabhupada he instructed to be distributed to the devotees.

Like the letter, now a book called "Crow-And-Tal-Fruit Logic, the origin of the jiva" sent to Madhudvisa Swami in 1972 and the room discussion with John Lennon and Yoko Ono also now a book.

In fact, many lectures, morning walks and Room conversation's have been made into books.

Anyway there is absolutely "no material cause for one's fall down from Vaikuntha", this because Maya or the material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha

One important point about one Maharaj's talks on the jiva's origin is, he never mentions that our fall down from Vaikuntha is simply caused by "free will" and NOT Maya (which is the material energy that does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana).

On the other hand, "Free will" and the "ability to choose" is NEVER lost by the jiva-tattva because being an individual independent thinking living entity with their own independent personality and sense of identity and self, is also part and parcel of the jiva-tattva's eternal constitution and make up that is NEVER lost in Goloka or Vaikuntha under the heading of "surrender" either.

If it did, then that is impersonalism.

Those many Sakti-tattva and Vishnu-tattva's known as Vishnu-Sakti-Tattvas are direct expansions of the Lord that are in a different category from the jiva-tattvas who have 78% of Krishna's qualities. The Vishnu-Sakti-Tattvas have 93% of Krishna's qualities.

There are many associates of Krishna in this category of Vishnu-Sakti-Tattva playing different roles in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan and in Krishna's pastimes in the Material Universes also.

Technically they ARE Krishna experiencing Himself in different past times, unlike the jiva-tattva who have their own sense of individuality, independence and unique personality (sense of independent self) who can choose for themselves to serve or not serve Krishna.

The jivatmas (78% of Krishna's qualities) are different, they have their own independent sense of self that includes "free will and the ability to choose", therefore the jivatmas CAN choose not to be with Krishna if they "choose" where as the Vishnu-sakti-tattvas cannot (because they are Krishna)

The only cause for one's fall down from Vaikuntha is "free will" and "the ability to choose" and nothing else. The fact is without that ability to "choose" then how can there be love?

Sridhar Maharaj told one ISKCON devotee visiting him the jiva comes from ''a clear sheet of consciousness' from the dormant brahmajyoti in 1978 saying -

''The jiva soul is an atom in that effulgence, and the brahmajyoti is a product of an infinite number of jiva atoms. Generally, souls emanate from the brahmajyoti which is living and growing. Within the brahmajyoti, their equilibrium is somehow disturbed and movement begins. From nondifferentiation, differentiation begins. From a plain sheet of uniform consciousness, individual conscious units grow''.

The devotee told him it was impersonal nonsense what he was saying and NOT our Srila Prabhupada's teachings, he shook my head and walked out of his room -

Srila Prabhupada – ''There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul''. Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha'' Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970

Srila Prabhupada says - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness''. (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Srila Prabhupada - 'The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.

Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition.

The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.

Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet.

Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.

As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent.

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet.

So we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated.” (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jivas were previously active ''before'' entering "inactive" or "dormant" Brahman effulgence" (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Here Prabhupada is saying they never originated from that effulgence (inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti) even though it may ''appear'' they do because of an enormous time span.

They have actually fallen to that effulgence by entering it at the end of the previous material creation or may have entered it as an impersonalist yogi, they have never originated from there or Maha Vishnu either because long, long, long before that they fell from Vaikuntha.

This is explained here –

Revatīnandana: You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the spirit soul then goes into the brahma-jyotir, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahma-jyotir is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva soul, and I go to the brahma-jyotir I'm still fallen.

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.

Revatīnandana: That means all jīva souls there are also fallen souls.

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes.

Revatīnandana: That follows?

Srila Prabhupāda: That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Vibhinnāṁśa. Separated parts. Separated parts, vibhinnāṁśa. You can call it fallen.

Revatīnandana: But we usually think of fallen as being forgetful.

Srila Prabhupāda: Yes. This is also forgetfulness. In the brahma-jyotir you are forgetful still. Because you are... That is stated in the śāstra, anādhṛta yuṣmad anghrayaḥ. Anādhṛta. They do not know how to adore the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. That is forgetfulness.

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ‘’These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” (Original Hare Krsna Happening record album New York 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ”So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krishna Loka. When one forgets Krishna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krishna he is liberated". (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)








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