Thursday, December 5, 2019

Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence'' (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)



By the mercy of Krsna the jiva-souls have ALWAYS had their freedom (free will) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan because without freewill the jiva-souls can never choose to voluntary serve Krsna with devotional offerings in their own unique way.

Actually there was never a time in the Spiritual Worlds where Krsna denied free will.

Krsna granted freedom to the individual jivatma because free will is eternally part and parcel of the constitutional makeup of all jiva-souls

And without free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, one is just a mindless porn in an impersonal collective, no better than dead stone Prabhupada has told us.

This is because loving exchanges and reciprocation can only exist when there is free will, or having a sense of individual self.

The fact is to for real love or service to exist, the jivatma's must be able to choose in their own way, how to reciprocate with Krsna and enhance all loving exchanges.

Real emotions of loving service is never a one way street, it is also a reciprocation between two individuals.

It is NEVER a one sided one sided, love is always between two.

We do not become mindless drones eternally controlled by Krsna prema in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, ultimately even under the most intense loving emotional, there is ALWAYS individual choices due to free will and without it there can NEVER be love.

Therefore without that "choice," even with Krsna prema, there is no question of genuine love because Krsna prema is never one sided where the jiva becomes absorbed and one with Krsna's love.

This idea is impersonal nonsense that foolish gurus teach their naive disciples.

Love is only real when it is a reciprocation between two individuals.

This loving reciprocation is expressed in its full potential in either Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

It is foolish and total nonsense to think Krsna prema renders the entire meaning of individuality and the ability to choose obsolete when one enters Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan.

One should understand that part of "real love, prema or service" is also being able to walk away from that loving attachment at anytime if one chooses to do so.

Being an independent individual jiva soul allows one to do that.

The ability to choose "this side or that side" is what makes loving emotions real.

This is because it is also YOUR choice to love Krsna too and not  just Him dominating over you like one controls a puppet on strings.

Therefore it is not ONLY Krsna who controls that loving emotion by overruling your individuality and sense of self by choosing for you.

No! That kind of dominate so called love or prema over an individual jiva-soul is Mayavadi impersonalism!

Therefore to say one can NEVER choose to fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan is nonsense.

Although Prabhupada did say that only 10% of jiva-souls choose to fall down, the rest are good souls, they never CHOOSE to fall down because they CHOOSE to say in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan.



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You see, it is the the jivatma's desire too, a reciprocation between Krishna and the jiva.

We are not mindless drones programmed just to love Krishna, no, the fact is we are all unique jiva's who have a sense of individual self that no other jivatma is like, and and can give their own unique love in one's own special personal way in "CHOOSING to love Krishna".

Therefore ONLY reciprocation between Krishna and the jivatma is what makes love (Krishna prema) real.

We the jiva tattvas, are all expansions of Krishna but are endowed with individuality and experience an independent personal sense of self that is separate from Krishna, He allows this to give us the free will to experience love and be responsible for our actions.

This however does not means all jiva-tattva's are independent from Krishna's control of all things, that is not possible. At all time the jiva tattva is always dependent on Krishna or His expansions even as independent individuals.

So the jiva tattva always remain an independent individual living entity that depends on Krishna and His expansions in both the Spiritual Worlds and material worlds.

So even though the jiva-tattva is an expansion of Krishna, the jiva-tattva is NOT one with Krishna.

On the other hand, the loving expressions between Krishna and all His Vishnu-tattva (93% of Krishna's qualities) and Vishnu-sakti-tattva (also 93% of Krishna's qualities) expansions are very different from the individual jiva-tattva (78% of Krishna's qualities) because they ARE Krishna, they are one with Krishna (the individual jiva tattva is not one with Krishna).

This is because all Vishnu-tattvas (Radharani, Balarama, Maha Vishnu etc) and Vishnu-sakti-tattvas (who are many gopis, gopas and other  personalities in the Spiritual World) ARE Krishna Himself playing the part of someone else just like in a play.

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the manifestation of Radha and Krishna as one where both experience each other's love for each other.

Krishna, Radharani and Lord Caitanya are all the ONE personality.

This subject can be difficult to comprehend, especially by those who wrongly believe that once they enter Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, they can never again fall down to the material world.

Because we have free will there is always the possibility of fall down, therefore at all times "we must use our free will correctly" and choose to perpetually serve Krishna at ALL times.

This is the only way that will protect us from fall down as Prabhupada explains here-

Devotee – “In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. You forced Krishna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?” Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy”. (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Devotee – “Krishna did not want us to come here, so why are we here?” Why didn’t Krishna save us from coming to this material world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Because that means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

There is nothing wrong with having one's own unique individual thoughts and desires, that includes diversity and varigatedness in one's choice of service in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

Free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan naturally gives the jiva soul the ability to make their own individual contributions in their own unique way.

As long as Krishna or Narayana is in the centre.

Love is not just a one way street, it is never ONE, it is always a reciprocation between TWO that includes Krishna and the jiva tattva, and that love can NEVER be forced.

In fact, if each of us never had an independent sense of self and personality, then we would never have the individual abilities and talents unique to our individual spiritual identity.

And if everyone was the same, then their version of the Kingdom of God (Vaikuntha) is simply a boring, stagnated impersonal cold dictatorship devoid of loving exchanges.

The "highest sense of independent thinking" is "choosing" to be fully dependent on Krishna. However, real love is reciprocal, it is NEVER a "one way street" where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and free will making one no better than a dead stone.

No, Krishna does not want servants like that, who are denied their individuality of being an independent person who can choose for themselves.

Surrender to Krishna NEVER takes away one's sense of self, individuality and free will.

Goloka Vrindavana is the Kingdom of God where the jiva's independent identity and personal abilities are the qualities that go side by side with making ''personal choices'' of what they offer as an individual to Lord Krishna in the spirit of cooperation, reciprocation and love.

In this way the "highest sense of independent thinking" is "choosing" to be fully dependent on Krishna.

The Spiritual World is full of unlimited variety therefore Krishna only wants those in His circle who "choose" to be there and gives the best of who they are as an independent thinking individual person, who has their own unique abilities and talents they can offer to Krishna.

The freedom to EVEN stay in Vaikuntha MUST be the jivas choice in reciprocation with Krishna because without free will there can be no real love.

The fact is God is more inclined to help those who FIRST do everything they can to help themselves. Only then will Krishna help you when He sees you trying your best to help yourself to remember Krishna.

This is because each jiva has their own independent individual personality and sense of self that allows them to ''choose'' to help themselves first.

Otherwise if Krsna does everything for you, how can there be genuine love?

Real love is reciprocal, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self and individuality.

The "highest independence" is "choosing" to be fully dependent on Krishna.

The freedom to EVEN stay in Vaikuntha MUST be the jivas choice in reciprocation with Krishna because without free will there can be no real love.

Srila Prabhupada has said not even Krsna can force you to love Him, LOVE or service is based on free will and then reciprocation.

Srila Prabhupada humbly told his disciples, if you love me then naturally I will love you.

Our ONLY education should be being trained up from a very young age to go "back home back to Godhead"







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