Sunday, January 31, 2021

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone, the stone has no free will. Do you want to be stone?" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Ultimately the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls in Goloka Vrindavana, can only work when based on a "two-way" relationship of self expression, reciprocation, loving exchanges and personal choices. 

"Voluntary loving service" can only exist when the jiva-souls can "choose" their own personal contributions and offerings to Krsna, expressed in a "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

Srila Prabhupada - “In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

A relationship with Krsna must be in a "two-way" exchange because that is the only way to share loving emotions. This is why Krsna gave the jiva-souls their freedom (free will) so they can offer personal unique expression of loving devotion to Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

The full expression and potential of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entity) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual world, and NOT in the restricted temporary material world of repeated birth and death due to the eternal jiva-soul being confined to a temporary material bodily vessel.

Surrendering to Krsna is enriched and further enhanced by the jiva-soul's personal unique loving voluntary contributions of service, that increase and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation eternally between Krsna and the jiva-souls in a two-way expression of loving exchanges.

Krsna gave the jiva-souls their eternal freedom (free will) that allows a "two-way" voluntary relationship of personal unique devotional exchanges experienced in a variety of different moods with each individual jiva-soul.

All the variety of living entities are NOT "all-one" energy in the Spiritual Sky, although Krsna and His direct expansions are all-one. His direct expansions are called Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva like Visnu/Narayana, Balarama, Radharani and many, many more.

Krsna's "separated" living energy are the marginal living entities (jiva-souls). 

And then there is Lord Siva and his different expansions who is in a league of his own 

The jiva-souls can never become Krsna, Visnu or Siva, but can with, the right accumulation of pious activity, become a Lord Brahma. 

Every jiva-soul is uniquely an individual who can each express themselves in their own special way.

The jiva-souls are NOT "all-one" (meaning they lose their individual identity and personality after entering the spiritual world by becoming Krsna's pawn) controlled in every way and denied self expression and personal contributions after their "so called" surrender to Him.

No, surrender to Krsna does NOT mean allowing Him to completely take over the jiva-souls personality, allowing Krsna to do all the thinking and actions for them, forcing the jiva-souls to only think and act the what Kṛṣṇa wants, like a programmed machine.

The fact is Krsna's Kingdom of Goloka Vrindavana, or Visnu's Vaikuntha planets, are NOT an impersonal collective of mindless drones like that. 

Therefore, the jiva-souls are NOT "all one energy" merged with Krsna, no, they are individual units, part and parcels of Krsna.

Each jiva-soul is a unique individual living person with their own feelings and sense of unique self expression that is independent from Krsna's Personality.

Therefore REAL love is an exchange between two, between Krsna's Personality and the individual jiva-soul's independent personality.

And no two jiva-souls are the same either.

The individual persons (jiva-souls) in the Spiritual Sky are eternal, each with their own unique mood of self expression, personality and choice of service in all the different Vaikuntha spiritual planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Love can NEVER exist as one, there must be two involved in loving exchanges. Love means an exchange between two otherwise there is no meaning to love, surrender, devotion or free will.

In other words, love is ALWAYS a "two-way street," only then does real love exist.

This is what "servant - master" relationship MUST be based on for love or selfless service to truly work in a "loving" way of devotional exchanges.

The fact is, "real love, service or surrender" can NEVER exist in just a "one-way", one-sided or one directional mood without having voluntary exchanges or feelings in a "two-way" relationship. 

Loving selfless service ONLY can exist in a "two-way" exchange of positive character building ever expanding relationship.

Therefore, without "free will" and the right to choose for one's self in a "two-way" relationship, the jiva-souls are no better than dead emotionless stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Therefore, also being a "mindless" inactive (dormant) jiva-soul in the impersonal brahmajyoti for billions of years, is nonsense suicidal impersonalism because the nature of the jiva-souls is to be always engaged voluntarily in Krsna's pastimes.

Entering the impersonal brahmajyoti as some have prayed for, is actually Mayavadi philosophy because one is attempting to extinguish their individual identity and become a non-person (inactive) which is NOT the eternal "active" nature of the jiva-souls.

Therefore, no jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is a condition of consciousness the jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains.

All jiva-souls originally came from either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada teaches and NOT the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT from the impersonal brahman. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. In other words, they are actually NOT liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Being “generated” from the "marginal plane" does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti, or the Body of Maha-Visnu that some foolishly claim because the jiva-souls have no origin, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna.

The "marginal potency" ARE the collective of individual "jiva-souls" who were never created, have no origin, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains because the jiva-souls have no origin, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna.

Many have misunderstood these facts about what "marginal" really means. It is NOT some place where jiva-souls are generated or originate from because they have no origin and have always existed. 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NEVER created or manifest from the impersonal brahmajyoti. The number of jiva-souls is unlimited and has always been unlimited, no jiva-souls are ever created because they ALL are always existing.

There are NO new jiva-souls Bhagavad Gita teaches us, the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginningless or endless. This means the jiva-souls did not originate from anywhere because they have ALWAYS existed!

The implications of being an eternal living entity who is beginningless and endless. This means within the material world's cycle of birth and death, the eternal jiva-souls have already possibly possessed almost every material bodily vessel there is within the open boundaries of infinity. 

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”

This means, just like Krsna, the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginning less and endless and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to uĵñ similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, EVERYONE comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

The REAL permanent home of the jiva-souls is always in either the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana and NOT the temporary mundane material creation, or merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present and future all exist simultaneously, and is always there as a "permanent pathway" that unlimited jiva-souls are continuously moving through.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes- 

"This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada – "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)

Srila Prabhupada – "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Krsna does not want to force the jiva soul to surrender to Him, if He did, then that is NOT love, it is force, exploitation and abuse.

Srila Prabhupada  - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington D.C. July 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada explains, Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER exist without voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

The Kingdom of God is NOT a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk with Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

The relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are never a "one-way" dominating relationship of convenience that denies personal contributions and choices, no, love is ALWAYS based on the reciprocation between two, because love can only exist when there are two as Prabhupada has explained.^×^.













Wednesday, January 27, 2021

Hare Krsna will finish up in 10,000 years.

Allen Ginsberg - "Will people still be chanting Hare Krsna in 400,000 years?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No. Hare Krsna will be finished within ten thousand years. There will be no more Hare Krsna".

Allen Ginsberg - "Ah. So what will be left?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Nothing. I'll kill you and eat you, and you shall kill me. You shall eat me. That will be left".

Allen Ginsberg - "After ten thousand years?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, there will be no grain, no milk, no sugar, no fruit. So I will have to eat you, and you will have to eat me. Full facility for meat-eating.

Full facility. Krsna is very kind. He'll give you facility - "All right. Why cows and calves? You take your own son. Yes. Eat nicely." Just like serpents, snakes -- they eat their own offspring and also tigers do the same. 

So this WILL happen after 10,000 years. And there will be no brain then to understand God (Krsna), no preachers, nothing. 

And then Krsna will come as Kalki Avatar - "All right, let Me kill you so that you will be saved." (May 13, 1969, Columbus, Ohio United States)

Hare Krsna will be finished on this planet in 10,000 years after a Golden Age of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan Movement.

Lord Krsna Caitanya's Sankirtan Moment ONLY comes to ONE Kali-yuga out of every 1000.

So this Kali-yuga is very rare because of Lord Caitanya and Srila Prabhupāda. 

Look on line for the symptoms of Kali-yuga and you will understand.

Let's surrender to Krsna and His pure devotee NOW, otherwise it IS possible to keep taking birth in this degraded Kali-yuga and see the end of Hare Krsna on this planet.

Only saying it is now the time to go back home back to Godhead to our REAL perpetual HOME in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The material decaying creation is NOT our real home and we are NOT these material bodily vessels we are now in.

There will be a Golden age of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan Moment.

However, AFTER the 10,000 years that the Golden Age is in, Hare Krsna will be finished.

And no more Hare Krsna for the remainder of Kali-yuga.

This means that after the next 10,000 years there will be no more Hare Krsna, or any religious principles in the remainder of Kali-yuga.

How to understand this is as follows-

Presently we have had 5000 years of Kali-yuga (from 432,000 years of Kali-yuga)

That means there are 427,000 years left which has 10,000 years of Hare Krsna in that figure.

Then after that, there are 417,000 years left where no Hare Krsna will exist.

This means for the remaining 417,000 years of Kali-yuga, this Earth planet is a hellish planet.

And then at the end of Kali-yuga, Kalki Avatar comes and kills every one, liberating the trapped souls from their Kali-yuga hell.

The souls He liberates from their degraded material body, enter the impersonal Brahman also known as the impersonal Brahmajyoti, and remain there in a dormant state for a very  long time.

However, the jiva-souls in the impersonal Brahmajyoti cannot remain dormant forever there because the nature of the soul is to be always "active" and NOT "inactive".

Therefore because such a dormant condition of the jiva-soul in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is temporary, means the jiva-soul MUST eventually again take birth in the material creation, and carry on attempting to satisfy their material mundane desires from where they left off after being liberated by Kalki Avatar (Visnu-tattva).

Spiritual education is the key to progress on the Spiritual path.

Try to understand this material world is NOT our home, and that this  material energy is always in a state of decay and decline and eventually rots away, but we (the jiva-soul) are NOT these decaying rotting bodies.

Try to understand these important points because they are the real truth about the temporary decaying material creation we are presently in and foolishly trying to make it our home.

The goal of this rare human species is to use it in a way that helps us find our freedom from material energy, and RETURN back home back to Godhead with Krsna.^*^.































Saturday, January 23, 2021

"Free will" is always part and parcel of the individual marginal living entities (jiva soul's) eternal spiritual constitution that they have always had. Love can ONLY exists when there is a "two way" exchange of feelings and service.

If Krsna had absolute control over the marginal living entities (individual jiva souls) "ever thoughts and actions", then that version of the "Kingdom of God" or "Goloka Vṛndāvana and Vaikuntha" would be an "impersonalists mindless loveless paradise"

Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, He is the Supreme controller of ALL things meaning nothing can take place without His sanction and approval first as explained in Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

However, Krishna DOES allow "free will" simply for the purpose of allowing the jiva souls to have the opportunity to voluntarily contribute and provide their own unique offerings, that enables them to experience their own "personal" loving exchanges with Krishna as the independent thoughtful contributing individual "PERSON" they are eternally.

The fact is, love is NEVER a one sided, one way affair, love is ALWAYS based on a character building loving relationship of warm exchanges expressed in a "two way" mood of reciprocation.

Therefore the jiva souls WITHOUT free will, would be just mindless emotionless drones in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan where their every thought and action is fully controlled by Narayana on the Vaikuntha Planets, and Krishna in Goloka Vrindavan.

This makes them no more than dead stone Prabhupada has said.

And this is also another aspect of impersonalism.

Having "free will" is always part and parcel of the marginal living entities eternal spiritual constitution. 

Without "free will" within a "two way" reciprocal relationship with Krishna, we are no better than dead emotionless stone.

Lord Krishna IS the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes however, this does not mean the jiva soul becomes Krishna's "mindless slave servant" or some useless impersonal inactive "atom" on His Lotus feet as some foolish devotees may desire.

Such nonsense bogus so called "surrender" is really trying to extinguish one's individuality of being an active "person" that the jiva soul is originally and eternally.

The jiva soul's in their full potential are a perpetual svarupa spiritual bodily two armed form in their original position in Goloka Vrindavana.

Therefore being Krishna's eternal associate does not mean one must give up, or surrender their free will, sense of independent self, personality and individuality and be a mindless drone in either Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha.

The fact is, Krishna allows "free will" for the purpose of allowing the jiva soul to make THEIR own choices on how to serve Him by voluntarily offering their own unique contributions without being forced too or dictated too by Krishna.

It must be this way otherwise loving exchanges cannot exist.

Ultimately the relationship between Krishna and the individual jiva soul in Goloka Vrindavana, can only work when based on a "two way" relationship of self expression, reciprocation, loving exchanges and personal choices. 

Loving service can only exist when the jiva soul voluntarily "chooses" their own personal contributions and offerings to Krishna expressed in a "two-way" relationship of reciprocation between Krishna and the jiva soul.

A relationship "between two" can ONLY experience love and that is why Krishna gave the jiva souls their freedom (free will) that is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the Spiritual Worlds.

Surrendering to Krishna is enriched and further enhanced by the jiva soul's personal unique loving contributions of service that increase and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation eternally between Krishna and the jiva soul.

Krishna gave the jiva souls their freedom (free will) so there CAN be a "two-way" voluntary relationship of personal unique loving exchanges in a different way with each individual jiva soul.

It is not "all one" (everyone thinks the same like a programmed machine) in Krishna's Kingdom of Goloka Vrindavana, or Vishnu's Vaikuntha Planets because each jiva soul is a living person with their own feeings and sense of self that is independent from Krishna's Personality.

Therefore REAL love is an exchange between Krishna's Personality and the individual jiva soul's personality.

And no two jiva souls are the same.

The individual persons in the Spiritual Sky are unlimited, each with their own unique mood of expression on all the different Spiritual Planets.

Love can NEVER be one, love must ALWAYS be allowed to be a "two way street", only then can real love exist.

This is what servant - master relationship MUST be based on for love to truly work in a selfless "loving" way.

The fact is, "real love, service or surrender" can NEVER exist in just a "one way", one sided or one directional mood without having voluntary exchanges or feelings in a "two way" relationship. 

Love ONLY exists in a two way exchange.

The fact is, without "free will" and the right to choose for one's self in this "two way" relationship, the jiva soul is no better than dead emotionless stone Prabhupada has told us.

Therefore even being a "mindless atom" in Krishna's lotus feet as some have prayed, is actually impersonalism and Mayavadi philosophy.

This is because one is attempting to extinguish their individual identity and become inactive which is NOT the eternal "devotional serving" nature of the jiva soul.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Krishna does not want to force the jiva soul to surrender to Him, if He did then that is NOT love, it is exploitation and abuse.

Srila Prabhupada  - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver". (Washington DC July 1976)

What Srila Prabhupada explains here is a very important point to understand-

Srila Prabhupada - ”So even if I desire ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ then I immediately fall down. 

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from that desire?

Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire like that. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Loving relationships can only exist in the Spiritual World when ALWAYS based on the reciprocation between two because love can only exist when there is a respectful nurturing relationship between two, between Krishna and His disciples the jiva souls-

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - “Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately each individual soul is a unique PERSON who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they want.

As Prabhupada explains, Krishna NEVER forces the jiva soul to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER exist without voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

If Krishna had absolute control over the marginal living entities "ever thoughts and actions", then that version of the "Kingdom of God" or "Goloka Vṛndāvana and Vaikuntha" would be an "impersonalists mindless loveless cold hearted paradise"

Therefore ultimately within the most intense loving emotional exchanges between the Lord and the jiva souls, there is ALWAYS free will, there are always individual choices of expression because without free will, there can NEVER be any loving voluntary exchanges of good feelings.

If the jiva souls do not have the freedom to think for themselves independently, then how can love exist? 

No, it is not possible without free will because love is a very personal  unique expression of feelings shared voluntary with one's beloved.

Sharing one's unique personality and individuality with the object of one's love, Krishna. Therefore without having "choices" in the jiva soul's relationship with Krishna, there can be no question of love.

This is because if it is just a one sided affair with no imput from the jiva soul too, then how can their be genuine love?

This idea of Krishna completely taking over the jiva soul's free will, in the name of surrender and denying any independent thoughful contributions from the jiva souls, is nonsense impersonal that many foolish bogus gurus teach their naive disciples today.

Love is only possible when it is allowed to be governed by voluntary self expression in a reciprocal relationship between "two individuals", the jiva soul and Krishna.

This loving reciprocation is always expressed in its full potential in either Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan but covered in the material creation where free will is so covered over, it almost does not exist there.

And certainly not in the lower species of life in the material creation where instinct is in control and NOT free will.

Also it is foolish and total nonsense to think Krishna overides and extinguishes the jiva soul's "free will and individuality" when they enter Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

One should understand that being part and parcel of Krishna means the jiva souls can etenally make independent choices for themselves in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan while serving of Krishna, that some immature devotees still have not understood properly.

This is because real love (prema) or devotional service, is ONLY possible when the relationship is between two reciprocating with each other.

So let's be clear, loving relationships in the Spiritual World are ALWAYS based on the reciprocation between two because love can only exist when there is a caring respectful nurturing relationship between two, between Krishna and His disciples the jiva souls.

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Ultimately each individual jiva soul is a unique PERSON who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him they want.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krishna NEVER forces you to love Him, that MUST be voluntary. (Melbourne June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

Krishna very rarely interferes with the free will of the jiva souls.

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Krishna allows the jiva souls to be independent individuals with free will allowing them to freely contribute their very best in a two way relationship of loving exchanges.

Also the ability to choose "this side (the Spiritual Worlds) or that side (the Material creation)" is what makes freedom real. 

As Prabhupada has said, having free will also means one can reject Krishna if they choose to do so. 

Freedom means one can reject God if they choose to do so or can accept Him if they choose.

Krishna allows the living entities to have this freedom because if THEY make their own choices to express their love for Krishna from their own free will, then that is having a voluntary "two way" relationship.  

This is better than being surrounded by "living entities or jiva souls" that are like "mindless drones" who are always impersonally programmed to worship Krishna unconditionally.

Such a relationship is NOT love because love can NEVER exist in a one-way expression or in a "one-side" domineering dictatorial relationship.  

This means loving selfless service can only exist between "two living persons" in a "two-way" relationship of loving exchanges as said above.

If Krishna is surrounded by none thinking Robots or Androids (yes men and women) doing all that He wants, then that is certainly NOT love because love cannot exist with dead machines.