Ultimately the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls in Goloka Vrindavana, can only work when based on a "two-way" relationship of self expression, reciprocation, loving exchanges and personal choices.
"Voluntary loving service" can only exist when the jiva-souls can "choose" their own personal contributions and offerings to Krsna, expressed in a "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation between Krsna and the jiva-souls.
Srila Prabhupada - “In the spiritual world service is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
A relationship with Krsna must be in a "two-way" exchange because that is the only way to share loving emotions. This is why Krsna gave the jiva-souls their freedom (free will) so they can offer personal unique expression of loving devotion to Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
The full expression and potential of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entity) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual world, and NOT in the restricted temporary material world of repeated birth and death due to the eternal jiva-soul being confined to a temporary material bodily vessel.
Surrendering to Krsna is enriched and further enhanced by the jiva-soul's personal unique loving voluntary contributions of service, that increase and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation eternally between Krsna and the jiva-souls in a two-way expression of loving exchanges.
Krsna gave the jiva-souls their eternal freedom (free will) that allows a "two-way" voluntary relationship of personal unique devotional exchanges experienced in a variety of different moods with each individual jiva-soul.
All the variety of living entities are NOT "all-one" energy in the Spiritual Sky, although Krsna and His direct expansions are all-one. His direct expansions are called Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva like Visnu/Narayana, Balarama, Radharani and many, many more.
Krsna's "separated" living energy are the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).
And then there is Lord Siva and his different expansions who is in a league of his own
The jiva-souls can never become Krsna, Visnu or Siva, but can with, the right accumulation of pious activity, become a Lord Brahma.
Every jiva-soul is uniquely an individual who can each express themselves in their own special way.
The jiva-souls are NOT "all-one" (meaning they lose their individual identity and personality after entering the spiritual world by becoming Krsna's pawn) controlled in every way and denied self expression and personal contributions after their "so called" surrender to Him.
No, surrender to Krsna does NOT mean allowing Him to completely take over the jiva-souls personality, allowing Krsna to do all the thinking and actions for them, forcing the jiva-souls to only think and act the what Kṛṣṇa wants, like a programmed machine.
The fact is Krsna's Kingdom of Goloka Vrindavana, or Visnu's Vaikuntha planets, are NOT an impersonal collective of mindless drones like that.
Therefore, the jiva-souls are NOT "all one energy" merged with Krsna, no, they are individual units, part and parcels of Krsna.
Each jiva-soul is a unique individual living person with their own feelings and sense of unique self expression that is independent from Krsna's Personality.
Therefore REAL love is an exchange between two, between Krsna's Personality and the individual jiva-soul's independent personality.
And no two jiva-souls are the same either.
The individual persons (jiva-souls) in the Spiritual Sky are eternal, each with their own unique mood of self expression, personality and choice of service in all the different Vaikuntha spiritual planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.
Love can NEVER exist as one, there must be two involved in loving exchanges. Love means an exchange between two otherwise there is no meaning to love, surrender, devotion or free will.
In other words, love is ALWAYS a "two-way street," only then does real love exist.
This is what "servant - master" relationship MUST be based on for love or selfless service to truly work in a "loving" way of devotional exchanges.
The fact is, "real love, service or surrender" can NEVER exist in just a "one-way", one-sided or one directional mood without having voluntary exchanges or feelings in a "two-way" relationship.
Loving selfless service ONLY can exist in a "two-way" exchange of positive character building ever expanding relationship.
Therefore, without "free will" and the right to choose for one's self in a "two-way" relationship, the jiva-souls are no better than dead emotionless stone Prabhupada has warned us.
Therefore, also being a "mindless" inactive (dormant) jiva-soul in the impersonal brahmajyoti for billions of years, is nonsense suicidal impersonalism because the nature of the jiva-souls is to be always engaged voluntarily in Krsna's pastimes.
Entering the impersonal brahmajyoti as some have prayed for, is actually Mayavadi philosophy because one is attempting to extinguish their individual identity and become a non-person (inactive) which is NOT the eternal "active" nature of the jiva-souls.
Therefore, no jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is a condition of consciousness the jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains.
All jiva-souls originally came from either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada teaches and NOT the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
Srila Prabhupada - "The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NOT from the impersonal brahman. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. In other words, they are actually NOT liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)
Being “generated” from the "marginal plane" does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti, or the Body of Maha-Visnu that some foolishly claim because the jiva-souls have no origin, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna.
The "marginal potency" ARE the collective of individual "jiva-souls" who were never created, have no origin, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains because the jiva-souls have no origin, they are beginningless and endless like Krsna.
Many have misunderstood these facts about what "marginal" really means. It is NOT some place where jiva-souls are generated or originate from because they have no origin and have always existed.
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are NEVER created or manifest from the impersonal brahmajyoti. The number of jiva-souls is unlimited and has always been unlimited, no jiva-souls are ever created because they ALL are always existing.
There are NO new jiva-souls Bhagavad Gita teaches us, the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginningless or endless. This means the jiva-souls did not originate from anywhere because they have ALWAYS existed!
The implications of being an eternal living entity who is beginningless and endless. This means within the material world's cycle of birth and death, the eternal jiva-souls have already possibly possessed almost every material bodily vessel there is within the open boundaries of infinity.
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”
This means, just like Krsna, the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are beginning less and endless and were NEVER created-
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to uĵñ similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, EVERYONE comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)
Srila Prabhupada – "The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
The REAL permanent home of the jiva-souls is always in either the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana and NOT the temporary mundane material creation, or merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present and future all exist simultaneously, and is always there as a "permanent pathway" that unlimited jiva-souls are continuously moving through.
Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-
"This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)
Srila Prabhupada – "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Srila Prabhupada – "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)
Srila Prabhupada – "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Krsna does not want to force the jiva soul to surrender to Him, if He did, then that is NOT love, it is force, exploitation and abuse.
Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington D.C. July 1976)
Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)
Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they want.
As Prabhupada explains, Krsna NEVER forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that MUST be voluntary otherwise love can NEVER exist without voluntary reciprocal exchanges.
The Kingdom of God is NOT a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk with Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)
Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.
The relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are never a "one-way" dominating relationship of convenience that denies personal contributions and choices, no, love is ALWAYS based on the reciprocation between two, because love can only exist when there are two as Prabhupada has explained.^×^.
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