And reveals from Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53 and Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55, that the jiva-soul's original home is with Krsna and that we are NOT suppose to be in the material creation or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
From Srimad Bhagavatam Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul now trapped in the material creation,
"Do you remember Me!"
Therefore, how can you remember what you never knew? This clearly means we all came from Goloka-Vrindavana or Vaikuntha and from there entered the material creation.
The jiva-souls did NOT originate from the inactive Brahmajyoti.
The mysterious workings of Maha-Visnu's material creation works in a way that not even science fiction writers imagine, all material bodily vessels originate from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who choose to the enter the material creation, must first go to Maha-Visnu to get a suitable material bodily vessel off Him (from what He has ALREADY dreamed) that is in sync with their desires.
All material bodies are provided to the jiva-souls who reject Krsna by Maha-Visnu, including all material facilities surrounding one's existence in the material world.
All facilities in the material world are provided by Maha-Visnu to the jiva-souls who can no longer remain in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because of their rejection of Krsna and Visnu.
No jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move in/through His dreams (a material bodily pathway) according to their desires in their journey into the material creation.
There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to the jiva-souls that instantly place them in Maha-Visnu's material creation after choosing to reject Krsna.
And the jiva-souls just like Krsna, were NEVER created and have no origin.
Krsna and the jiva-souls are like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays that cannot exist without each other, therefore Krsna and the jiva-souls have ALWAYS existed and were never created as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter 2 text 12 and text 20 explains.
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG 2.12)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)
Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)
There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity.
The REAL home of the jiva-souls is always in either the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana and NOT the temporary mundane material creation, or merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present and future all exist simultaneously, and is always there as a "permanent pathway" that unlimited jiva-souls are continuously moving through.
Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-
“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)
Srila Prabhupada – “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Srila Prabhupada – “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream.” (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)
Srila Prabhupada – “Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams.” (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
The material bodily roadway or pathway is where the jiva-soul moves through the past, to the present, and then to the future, from its start (birth) to its end (death)
These temporary realities of Maha-Visnu's "dreaming material creations," are massive Brahmanda universes, and each Brahmanda's inner secondary material universes built by Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Brahma, can NEVER be changed because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed them. This means each material bodily vessel's pathway is already set in stone from its beginning, to its middle, to its end.
Each material bodily "pathway" that the visiting jiva-soul travels on, comes from the already "dreamed" dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul unfortunately misuses this God-given minute free will and falls into the dark well of nescience and illusion. Once the spirit soul takes shelter of māyā, the illusory material energy, he develops the material qualities of goodness, passion, and ignorance.
The spirit soul loses his original characteristics and develops a new nature, which is controlled by the three modes of material nature, and this continues until such time as he transcends them. His actions are prompted accordingly.
If it happened in any other way, then material variegatedness would not be visible in this phenomenal world. So, if a person fails to inform himself about the very subtle laws and workings of material nature, and at the same time he argues that all activities are sanctioned and inspired by the Supreme Lord, then he is reducing the Supreme Lord's position and making Him out to be partial and unjust.
The Lord never favors one and discriminates against another. Factually, He advises everyone to give up all material activities, which are by nature unstable and temporary. Because of forgetfulness of God, a man becomes an eternal victim of ignorance, which then colours all his actions." (Renunciation Through Wisdom 1.9)
Srila Prabhupada - "Mahā-Viṣṇu lies down in some part of the spiritual sky by His own free will. Thus He lies on the ocean of kāraṇa, from where He glances over His material nature, and the mahat-tattva is at once created.
Thus electrified by the power of the Lord, the material nature at once creates innumerable universes (Brahmandas), just as in due course a tree decorates itself with innumerable grown fruits.
The seed of the tree is sown by the cultivator, and the tree or creeper in due course becomes manifested with so many fruits.
Nothing can take place without a cause. The Kāraṇa Ocean is therefore called the Causal Ocean. Kāraṇa means "causal." We should not foolishly accept the atheistic theory of creation." (SB, Canto 1.3.2, Purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "Without knowing the subtle laws of nature, if we tried to justify all our deeds as influenced by the will of the Personality of Godhead, we would be attempting to bring partiality, inebriety, and gracelessness into the acts of the all-good Personality of Godhead.
It should never be imagined that various mundane discrepancies arise by the will of the Personality of Godhead-that some are happy by His will, while others are unhappy by His will. Such differences in the material world are due to the proper or improper use of free will enjoyed by the individual living entity.
Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, enjoins everyone to give up all such conditional engagements dictated by the various modes of nature. Such varieties of engagements of the living entity arise out of ignorance perpetuated by the modes of nature.
Therefore, the Lord says in Bhagavad-gītā (5.13) that He is not the cause of anyone's particular work, nor the authority, nor the result of such work - but that all these come out of the various modes of nature.
Thus, all acts performed by the living entity—except those with transcendental results—are self—created engagements arising from an abuse of the free will, and therefore such acts or engagements are never to be considered as if the works and the results were somehow ordained by the almighty Godhead. Such works are all material and are therefore conditioned and directed by the modes of nature. The Personality of Godhead has nothing to do with such works." (Message of Godhead 2)
The visiting jiva-souls who enter the material creation MUST "hire" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams.
Every material bodily vessel in the material creation must be first "hired" from Maha-Visnu who owns them all.
Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding, one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966 NY City USA)
Each individual jiva-soul in the spiritual world can "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways as an unlimited varieties of bodily forms, or even reject Krsna if they choose to do so, and enter or return to the impermanent material world.
Each material bodily vessel pathway is always available for "hire" to the jiva-souls, and are continuously available to all visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the temporary material creation.
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Linear time is the movement from past to present and then to future.
In other words linear time is where time is seen sequentially, as a series of events that are leading along a pathway, from experiencing its beginning middle and end.
Seeing the entire journey on a long winding road all at once is seeing ABOVE linear time.
Maha-Visnu and rare yogis and devotees can see ABOVE linear time, just like one sees an entire roadway from above, its beginning, middle and end, all at once.
All material bodily vessels are chosen from Maha Visnu's dreams, His collection of material bodily vessels from His permanent volt of dreams lived out by a visiting jiva-soul in normal linear time.
All material bodily vessels are like costumes "leased out" constantly from the Costume shop owner Maha Visnu to visiting jiva-souls.
All of the jiva-soul's desires, choices and expressions of "free will" are factored in before the jiva-soul is given a particular material bodily vessel to enter the material creation.
However, free will only partially exists in the material creation and only in the human species of life.
Free will does not exist in lower species of life, there is only the urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
Maha Visnu sees all, beginning, middle and end of all material bodily vessels because He is God and knows past, present and future.
All material bodily vessels are the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
There is always "free will" however, each material body's destiny that the visiting jiva-soul experiences, is already mapped out within the dreams of Maha Visnu explained above.
And "free will" is factored into the equation in such a way that the free will of each jiva-soul is not affected.
"Free will" always exists in the Spiritual Worlds that allows the jiva-souls to except or even reject Krsna by choosing to leave Krsna's association if they choose.
Such freedom MUST be there if love is to truly exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
So from the mistaken desires of the rebellious jiva-soul, that begins when they put their own selfish desires in the centre, instead of first pleasing Krsna, they are "forced" to choose a vessel from Maha-Visnu's "library of dreams" that transfers them to His temporary material creation and into a temporary material bodily vessel (Maha Visnu's dreams)
This is the beginning of the jiva-souls fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.
But such fall downs are very rare, less than 10% of jiva-souls fall down from the Spiritual Planets.
Rejecting Krsna means the jiva-soul can no longer stay in the Spiritual World and is therefore instantaneously transferred out of Vaikuṇṭha or Goloka Vṛndāvana and relocated to the dream bodies of Maha Visnu (the pathway of material bodily vessels) material creation.
The jiva-soul already knows and agrees with the entire pathway or journey they have because their "desires" are in sync with the bodily pathway (material bodily vessel) from Maha Visnu's dreams they will enter.
Within Maha-Visnu's material creation exists every possible "dream" to fulfil every desire the visiting jiva-souls have, every scenario they can come up with is eternally existing in Maha-Visnu's dreams.
This means the jiva-soul's ability to express "free will" is already factored into the equation of the destiny of the material bodily vessel one has chosen to enter as explained above.
Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7-
"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place".
Purport
Srila Prabhupada - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING"
(Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7)
The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā".
Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand -
1 - What was in the past,
2 - What there shall be in the future,
3 - And what is at present.
Srila Prabhupada - ''So the point is that five thousand years ago the things which were written for this age, how they are coming to be true in our experience. That is the point: how they could see past, present, and future so nicely.
The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.
Tri means three, and kāla means time.
Time is experienced by three ways-
past,
present,
future.
Time limitation, past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.
So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present.
Just like in the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says,
"My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained.
Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, "and present."
So that is yogic power, one CAN know past, present, and future''. (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 12 Chapter 2 Text 1 San Francisco, March 18, 1968)
There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) through material space/time's past, present and future.
We have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 50 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World.
The movement of space/time in the temporary material creation is eternally divided into past, present and future as a roadway that has its beginning point (birth), middle (youth and middle age) and end of the roadway (old age and death), but ONLY while the individual jiva-souls are covered by these material bodily vessels governed by the movement of material time.
"Temporary" means the decaying progression of material nature forced by time's movement of past, present and future with its side effect of birth, youth, middle age, old age and death.
Whereas in the Spiritual Worlds there is only the "permanence" of the "eternal presence" of Krsna where everything is eternally fresh, youthful and never decomposes
In the Spiritual Planets the jiva-souls ARE their body and no longer possess a material decaying bodily vessel or covering.
All material bodily vessels or bodily containers, are part and parcel of the fabric of material energies space/time that governs the temporary material creation and takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky (matter)
The other 3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent eternally youthful Spiritual Worlds (anti-matter) eternally existing in the "eternal presence" beyond the decaying influence of past, present and future that only exists in the material creation.
In the material creation's bodily vessels, the jiva-souls are there as the passengers who are riding within the material energies fabric of material bodily vessels.
Each material body is made of material energy that the jiva-souls possess.
The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are the passengers in the material body made of material energy.
Material energy is "all one", the bodily forms eventually wear out and die and breaks down and merges back into the oneness of material energy.
Our material bodily vessels are ultimately impersonal dead matter when the body is no longer held together by the presence an individual jiva-soul who possess the material body.
Only the presence of the jiva-soul gives the appearance of life in a material body.
The individual jiva-soul is anti-matter and NOT matter.
1 - "Matter" is lifeless dead energy existing in the material creation.
2 - "Anti-matter" is living individual living entities AS Spiritual bodily forms that pervades the Spiritual Worlds of the Vaikuntha Planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.
The jiva-souls ARE "life", whereas the material energy has no life, it is simply dead matter.
All material bodily vessels are given to the jiva-souls by Maha Visnu (from His dreams) according to their "desires".
And as the embodied jiva-soul continues their journey in the material creation life after life, the accumulation of the reactions from acting out those original desires, creates pious and impious reactions.
But ONLY in a human material body does the jiva-souls create Karma.
There is no Karma (being responsible for your actions) in the lower species of life where one acts only on the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
From the viewpoint of Maha Visnu and great sages, they see past, present and future in the material creation, all existing simultaneously.
Just like from above one can see the beginning, middle and end of a long winding roadway.
Also with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) would eventually repeat themselves over the span of an eternity if they stayed in the material creation long enough.
This is because every combination of material elements would be exhausted to the point they would again repeat over an eternity.
If the jiva-soul chooses to remain in the material creation for an almost eternity, they could experience this.
This is possible because the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal.
But what is really going on?
Even though the material energy is temporary and always decays, the material energy itself is eternal, but when material Kingdoms and material bodies decay and are destroyed, the material energy will again eventually reappear as different forms and bodily vessels due the movement of past, present and future.
Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha Visnu's dreams, still be happening in the universe's "same space" but happening in a different "time", with another individual jiva-soul playing that same part?
The answer is yes, infact that is exactly what's going on.
This is because past, present and future are happening "always" simultaneously and are a permanent fabric of the material energy.
This means all material bodily vessel are a permanent 'POST' or roadway that many jiva-souls also experience that same journey.
Just like Lord Brahma's material body is also a POST that many jiva-souls can experience, if qualified, to attain the material body of Brahma.
This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are offered, but only if they deserve it.
To be qualified for any material bodily vessel, one must be trained up and simultaneously have corresponding desires and Karma to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel they deserve, desire, rewarded with or punished with.
Once in the material creation, the jiva-souls will eventually take a material body created by their own karma (past good and bad actions)
It is also seems to some that the material universe of material bodily containers or vessels are repeating itself, except with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels.
Some philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche call this the "eternal reoccurrence"
But NO, that is NOT what is going on, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence, there is only the permanent roadway of material bodily vessels the jiva-souls are eternally travelling through.
This means EVERYTHING already exists eternally and the jiva-souls just move through those permanent pathways of material energy (dreams of Maha-Visnu).
The "material body" is NOT the PERSON because the material vessel is made of material elements that a jiva-soul is covered by and travels through.
The jiva-souls are the only PERSONS and not the outer material covering.
Some have asked where is Adolf Hitler today or where is Joseph Stalin today?
However, who really is Hitler or Stalin? Actually no-one because the "material body" is a POST that many jiva-souls can experience.
The material body is NOT the person, the jiva-soul in that material vessel is the person.
What we know of them is only what we call their material bodies.
As explained, each material bodily pathway (vessel) is the creation of Maha Visnu from His dreams.
And these dreams (material bodily vessels) are a permanent fixture of Maha-Visnu's material energies space-time.
This means unlimited jiva-souls can "lease" such material bodily pathways (dreams) from Maha Visnu and also experience that dream.
In other words, the material bodily pathway is NOT the PERSON, it is the outer vessel the PERSON is in.
The REAL individual is the jiva-soul that passes through the material bodily vessel's pathway of Hitler, Stalin or whoever.
All material bodily vessels are POSTS in the material creation that the visiting jiva-soul to the material creation can experience if they deserve that position according to desire and Karma.
As explained earlier, all material vessels are "leased" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu which means unlimited jiva-souls have travelled the bodily pathway of Hitler.
This includes the material body you (the individual jiva-soul) are in now.
The important point is we are NOT the material bodily vessel or container we are presently in, we are the passenger only.
As said above, there are some who believe this is the same as a "repeating material universe of eternal reoccurrence" but no, this is NOT what is happening.
This is because the material energy is an eternal roadway of space-time" that perpetually exists as a permanent pathway of material energy where unlimited jiva-souls traverse along as the passengers of that pathway of material energy.
This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future like the different points on roadway are also always exists.
In other words, if one can observe past, present and future of the material energy (meaning the different stages from birth to old age of the material bodily vessel) it would look like a permanent pathway the jiva-souls are passing through continuously like one passes over a road that is permanently there.
Therefore it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact they are not.
The jiva-souls are entering a permanent pathway in the fixture of material energy which exists eternally.
Everything is temporary in the material creation and in a constant state of decay and experienced that way as one moves along the pathway.
This is because of the movement of past, present and future that has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.
In the Spiritual Worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana, only the "eternal presence" of Krsna exists with no concept of past or future and therefore there is no impermanence or decay there.
This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the eternal Kingdoms of God.
Temporary material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-souls enters as a passenger (covered by).
When these material bodily vessels wears out and decays, they break down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy.
Only the jiva-souls who uncovered by material energy, are a perpetual spiritual (anti-matter) bodily form (vigraha) and NEVER decays.
The jiva-souls eternally remains an individual PERSON separate from the mundane material creation, even though covered by its decaying material material energy in the form of material bodily vessels.
Therefore, the material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists ALL at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement material time like Maha Visnu sees.
This means that all material bodily vessels (material energy), like yours and mine we occupy, are all a permanent fixture of the material energy owned by Maha Visnu.
Such material vessels originate from His dreams of the material universe that are eternally existing through the continuous flow of material space-time as explained above.
All such material bodily vessels exist in Maha Visnu's "library of material dreams" available to be "leased out" to those jiva-souls who have chosen to visit His material creation after choosing to leave the Spiritual Planets.
So as said above, it is the constant flow of material space-time of past, present and future (material energy) that is seemingly repeating itself as the material bodily vessels.
But again NO, there is no repetition or eternal reoccurrence going on, there is ONLY the constant movement of jiva-souls travelling on a permanent roadway or pathway that ETERNALLY exists for unlimited jiva-souls to travel on.
Only by through the fabric of material space-time do we experience each stage of the "NOW" (past, present and future)
But in actual fact all past, present and future eternally exist together.
Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.
Keep in mind, the "dreams" of Maha Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously, being able to see that EVERYTHING, past, present and future, was existing in the NOW, he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.
And the reason he could see his future is because technically it is already exists due to the entire roadway of past, present and future ALWAYS existing as a pathway the embodied jiva-souls traverse down (as explained above)
Only by understanding this can realise so catime travel into the past or future IS possible.
This means one is just traveling through what is already there, what already exists.
Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.
Similarly, the material bodily vessel we are now in is a 'POST' that is always existing for jiva-souls to enter and experience.
This means material time and space is permanently recorded and ALWAYS exists AS the material dreams of Maha Visnu.
This also means we take our next birth in a material bodily vessel that already eternally exists in the past, present and future time zone explained above, where the jiva-soul moves though the stages of past, present and future, experiencing each moment of "NOW", meaning birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age, death of the material vessel the jiva-soul is "moving through".
That further means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway in its different stages of childhood, youth, middle age, old age etc of that material body, already exists in its time zone because each material bodies time zone is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the Maha-tattva (material creation).
What we are learning here, is all the 'dreams' of Maha Visnu are all happening "NOW" which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we only move through the different time stages of a material bodily vessel that exists in its past, the present or the future time zone.
The dreams (material pathways) of Maha Visnu are eternal.
The material energy is all one but NOT the life force (jiva-souls) that are individual PERSONS as Prabhupada has taught us.
This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that IS also all the material bodily species are also material energy.
Such philosophy is called impersonalism, their ideas are wrong and dangerous.
So to be clear in the material creation everything in under the movement time (past, present and future) already exists, like a long winding roadway already exists from its beginning to its end.
This means the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, the individual jiva-soul possess and enters, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that material bodily vessel for it's journey.
In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in those material bodily vessels they admire, after being trained up and qualified to take that birth, which in itself would take many, many, many births just for that opportunity to be that famous "material body" for one insignificant life time, similar to Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Bill Gates etc.
What an ignorant selfish waste of time compared to just choosing to return home back to Godhead and be in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, the jiva-soul's REAL home.
If those jiva-souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous wealthy materialistic bodily existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the material heavenly planets.
All material bodily vessels are "POSTS" in the material creation that must be deserved and qualified to experience.
Usually the most pious living entity in each material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifests.
In the same way; we are all awarded with a material bodily vessel according to our past pious and impious activities known as karma.
All individual living entities (jiva-souls) who understand the fabric of space-time, know each jiva-soul is moving along the many stages of the roadway representing past, present and future (also the pathway of each material bodily vessel)
However, from above just like one sees the entire journey of a roadway, one is able to see the beginning, middle and end, all at once of that pathway.
This means "materially" one can see all past, present and future existing together, and its every twist and turn on that roadway.
The explanation in the above essay is correctly suggesting that all material bodily vessels are like "permanent" fixture or pathway (real but temporary) that ETERNALLY exists in the dreams of Maha Visnu.
As said above, this may give the impression of eternal repetition but no, the material universe is in a constant state that is ABOVE the movement of past, present and future that the jiva-souls only experience by moving or flowing through the material energy existence of the fabric of past, present and future.
In other words, moving along the pathway of twists and turns on the road is compared to the jiva-soul experiencing the birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age and death of the material bodily vessel the jiva-souls are in.
This birth, youth, middle age and death DOES eternally repeat itself, but ONLY because of the material fabric of time (past, present and future), that is continuously existing with the constant flow of visiting jiva-souls passing through it.
In other words, what is seen from above (the entire roadway from beginning, middle and end) is the movement of all material time which are Maha Visnu's dreams all existing simultaneously.
Such dreams (pathways) are always available for lease to those jiva-souls who choose to enter Maha-Visnu's material creation.
This means all past, present and future are ALWAYS existing simultaneously to Maha Visnu and some advanced devotees and yogis.
So clearly there is a constant flow of material "space-time"
(past, present and future) on the "permanent" pathway from its beginning, middle and end (birth, disease, old age and death)
This pathway or roadway is always available for others jiva-souls to also traverse the same permanent fixture of the material energy (roadway) and experience the same material body billions of other jiva-souls have passed through (along this pathway).
Modern science cannot understand the material universe in this way where time travel has ALWAYS been possible into the past or into the future.
This is because the "roadways or pathways" of space-time's "past, present and future" NEVER disappear as explained above, they always exist because they are a permanent fixture within the fabric of the material universe.
The material bodily vessels, pathways or containers we are in/on, are always the property of Maha Visnu's dreams that are leased out to any jiva-soul qualified, but will always remain his property and part and parcel of His dreaming material creation, available for other jiva-souls to also "travel through" to experience their desires found also in Maha Visnu's material creation.
In Maha Visnu's dreams, every scenario conceivable is possible and is ALREADY existing and available for lease to any visiting jiva-souls who qualify from their own desires.
Leasing the material dreams off Maha Visnu are similar to visiting a "costume shop" that is full of many different costumes (material bodily pathways) that the jiva-soul can choose to enter/travel in or possess.
Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation must go to this so called costume shop of material bodily vessels (dress shop) that are all from the dreams of the sleeping Maha Visnu.
And then choose which material bodily vessel they want to enter as an attempt to imitate Krsna and enjoy separate from Krsna.
This is where the jiva-souls are offered a particular material bodily vessel by Maha Visnu according to their material desires, so they can enter into the material creation with a suitable material body that is in accordance with their own material desires.
Maha Visnu always owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel of His material creation that He is dreaming.
Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha Visnu's "library of dreams" and choose a material bodily vessel from His unlimited dreams of all material affairs.
Everything conceivable material bodily vessel or container exists in Maha Visnu's dreams, every scenario is possible as said above, no matter how strange or bizarre it is, ALL realities already exists in the dreams of Maha Visnu.
This means all that there is and all that there will be, every combination of material existence possible, ALREADY exists in His dreams.
It is the material bodily vessels (coming from Maha Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls in all the billions of Brahmanda universes coming from Maha Visnu, must choose from, just like one chooses from a variety of costumes from a Fancy dress store.
Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna, there is a different set of rules here.
The fact is, Arjuna is always with Krsna in innumerable different material universes at one time, and there is only one jiva-soul who is Arjuna.
The individual jiva-soul who surrenders to Krsna, CAN expand or project their consciousness into many different material bodies at the same time and still be just the "one jiva-soul" in all those material bodies.
Advanced yogis can also do this but limited to eight expansions however, for Krsna's eternal associate like Arjuna it is in many, many universes simultaneously.
Yes this is very true as sastra tells us but very rare to understand especially in this degraded age of Kali-yuga.
The fact is the jiva-soul in Arjuna's material bodily vessel is the same "jiva-soul" in all the different Arjunas throughout all the material universes according to Srila Prabhupada.
This is achieved because the "one" individual jiva-soul (Arjuna) expands himself into many different material bodily vessels or containers that are all him in different pastimes with Krsna.
This means no one can become Arjuna because his position is NOT a POST like Brahmas is, the jiva-soul of Arjuna is always the the one individual Arjuna no matter where he is with Krsna.
Such a position like Arjuna is very rare.
As said above, yogi can also project his consciousness and be in 8 different material bodies at one time.
But this is NOT the case with every material bodily vessel in the material creation! Only some rare jiva-souls (yogis) can possess more than one material bodily vessels at once.
This is NOT the case with the billions of different Lord Brahmas who are each in their small material universe that is deep within the greater Brahmanda universal shell.
In each case each Lord Brahma is occupied by a different individual jiva-soul.
So as said above, in every material bodily vessel of Lord Brahma, there is a different jiva-soul every time Maha Visnu creates all the billions of Brahmanda universes in the material creation.
All the different Brahmas are NOT the same "jiva-souls", there are billions of different individual jiva-souls who can become a Brahma in all the different material univeses that are deep inside each outer Brahmanda universe that comes from the Body of Maha Visnu.
There are those who believe the material universe is continuously repeating itself each time Maha Visnu creates the material Brahmanda universes, but is that true?
Actually, it only "seems" that way because in true reality everything that is, and can be, already exists within the dreams of Maha Visnu.
A dream the jiva-souls lease off Maha Visnu is also a permanent roadway or pathway that many jiva-souls can travel on.
This means the material universe, including all bodily vessels, are continuously existing with an endless flow of individual jiva-souls possessing those material bodies by passing through them like one passes over a roadway.
Therefore it only "seems" the material universe is repeating itself when in actual fact it is complete like travelling on a roadway.
This is also because each material bodily vessel or container eternally exists within the material dreams of Maha Visnu that can be leased out by any visiting jiva-soul who has matching desires that are in sync with Maha-Visnu's dreams.
The dreams of Maha-Visnu gives the visiting jiva-souls the facilities to fulfill their desires.
The fact is such dreams (material bodies) are a permanent "POST" or PATHWAY that "always" exists within the dreams of Maha-Visnu so the visiting jiva-souls can travel within and simultaneously have their desires fulfilled while in the mundane temporary material creation.
Remember all these material bodily containers ARE a creation coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu.
In this way all facilities in the material creation come from Maha Visnu.
The jiva-souls by their desires, move through the journey of material existence in a material body on the pathway of birth, youth, middle age, disease, old age and death and then again rebirth if one fails to get out of this temporary material mundane world of repeated birth and death.
Being in a material bodily vessel or container is being on the pathway or road that leads to a one's destination.
All "pathways" (the journey of a material body from the dreams of Maha-Visnu) have always existed as part and parcel of the fabric of material space-time that many other visiting jiva-souls have/can also experienced and continue to move through.
In other words, there is always a flow of jiva-souls experiencing the road journey of material bodily containers or vessels coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu.
This is what is really happening in the material creation instead of eternal repetition or reoccurrence.
Each point along the roadway is eternally there as part of the road that the jiva-soul passes through experienced as linear time.
The pathway of material bodily vessels (Maha-Visnu's dreams) that confine or cover the jiva-souls, are always covered by the fabric of material energy that moves through past, present and future due to space-time where one experiences the effect of time which is birth, youth, disease, old age, and death.
This is the "roadway'' or "pathway" of material existence known as linear time (the movement through past, present and future)
But from OUTSIDE of linear time, rare souls CAN see the entire movement of past, present and future simultaneously, like from above one can view an entire roadway from its beginning to its end.
This process of material existence "seems to repeat itself" over and over but that is not seeing the full picture of the material creation.
It "seems" that the material universes are constantly annihilated and again created by Maha Visnu, but as explained above, that is NOT what is really going on.
Only the movement of past, present and future gives one the view of creation and annihilation.
Also as explained above, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence going on, where the material universe repeats itself, no it is not like that at all.
What is really "constantly" unfolding through the fabric of material energy and time, are permanent pathways made up of past, present and future from Maha Visnu's dreams that are a feature and fixture of each material universe the individual jiva-souls can enter and pass along and through.
The fact is, all material bodily vessels ARE the dreams of Maha-Visnu, and are a permanent fixture or POST in the material universe existing "as dreams" coming from Maha Visnu that the visiting jiva-souls move through, like one moves on a roadway or pathway that ALWAYS remains there for other travellers to pass on/though.
Another way of looking at this-
Just like in society there exists fancy dress shops where one can go and lease out costumes to experience a particular play (material reality).
Similarly in the material creation every material bodily vessel conceivable exists within Maha Visnu's "fancy dress shop of material costumes" (His dreams) that one can lease from Maha Visnu.
All such realities, pathways, bodily vessels all come from Maha-Visnu's dreams and are available to all visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.
Therefore each time the material universe again manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters those pathways of material bodily costumes the jiva-souls wears/and passes through.
In other words, just like the costumes in a fancy dress rental shop, all material bodily vessels in the material universe are provided to all jiva-souls who enter the material creation.
Therefore each material bodily "costume" (vessel) is a permanent "POST" coming from Maha Visnu's dreams that provide the material bodily facilities so the jiva-soul experiences birth, youth, disease, old age and death through the movement of time, past, present and future.
All material vessels or costumes always remain the property of Maha Visnu's dreams and are only "leased out" to the visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.
At all times they always remain the property of Maha-Visnu.
The cycle of decay and renewal, birth and death in this temporary material existence continues on eternally, with a continuous flow of individual "jiva-souls" experiencing each material bodily pathway (the dreams of Maha-Visnu)
There is always free will because without "free will" the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone.
As said above, each pathway always remains the same as a "leased" dream from Maha Visnu, where the embodied jiva-soul experiences birth, childhood, disease, old age and death as they move along that pathway in a material bodily vessel.
Each time the jiva-soul, who is now presently confined to this material universe, travels through the movement of past, present and future, it seems to repeats itself with a different batch of jiva-souls who also enter the same pathways of material bodily vessels ("POST") provided by Maha Visnu's dreams.
This means the material creation created by Maha Visnu, is ALWAYS the exact same material creation, but only seems it is changing because of the movement of material time (past, present and future)
Within each material bodily vessel, exists a different individual jiva-soul playing that part, different from the previous jiva-souls who played that exact same roll in the previous movement of space-time.
The material bodily vessels are a fixed fabric of the material universes past, present and future and there is no repetition going on.
In other words past, present and future, like the beginning, middle and end of a roadway, are eternally existing just like a roadway seen above exists from its beginning, middle and end.
However, the anti-matter "jiva-soul" is NOT the material bodily vessel.
The material bodily vessel is only like a garment covering the jiva-soul who is a passenger in that outer garment or material body.
One's relationship with Krsna is NEVER impersonal, nor did the jiva-souls originate from some nonsense impersonal beginning (impersonal Brahmajyoti)
The word "tatastha-sakti" refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their FALLEN conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
The "marginal living entities" ARE a collective of eternal jiva-souls without any beginning point who are spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (both Spiritual Worlds and material worlds)
Those jiva-souls who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later, due to the frustration of material life, enter an inactive dormant state within the Brahmajyoti (the impersonal aspect of Brahman).
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the Personal (Vaikuntha) characteristics" (New York, December 28, 1966)
Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen".
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".
Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes". (Room Conversation August 17, 1971, London)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition". (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha (eternity, knowledge, bliss and FORM.
The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.
Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.
Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”
Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.
Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”
Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary.
Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction.
If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are a collective of an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who are eternal, meaning they have ALWAYS existed but, as said above, they are only called tatastha-sakti while "conditioned" in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti.
As said above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is NO origin of the jiva-souls, they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end.
Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the Spiritual Worlds.
This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God) if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.
This is why it is foolish and sad that big big sannyasi and gurus claim once entering the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-souls can never fall down again.
No, they CAN fall down again and again if the jiva-souls choose to do so.
And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will.
The fact is Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God).
The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a "two-way" street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".
Syamasundara - "And some come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)
So the proper understanding is the marginal living entities, (jiva-souls) are known in the material conditioned state as "tatastha-sakti", and also when dormant in the Brahmajyoti, but NOT referred to by that name as their original Spiritual bodily form (vigraha) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.
The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were NOT created from a nonsense "clear sheet of consciousness" either.
This is because they have ALWAYS existed everywhere (sarva-gatah means life is everywhere)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 12 confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created and have no origin-
"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain".
The jiva-souls may FALL to an "inactive" or dormant state (the impersonal Brahmajyoti), but they certainly did NOT originate from there.
Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls as explained above, who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.
In fact the fallen jiva-soul can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long a time that some foolishly believe it is where they originated from after emerging from there as also explained above.
It should be made clear the dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is NOT the origin of the jiva-soul, it is actually a fallen state.
The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from anywhere including the impersonal Brahmajyoti because they have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of the "marginal plane collective" of Krsna's energies that are individual souls spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (material and Spiritual Worlds).
The way the jiva-souls first entered the material creation is they came down from Vaikunthaloka or Goloka Vrindavana by choice (free will).
Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.”
(Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)
As said above, the marginal potency or plane is a collective of eternal individual jiva-souls that always have existed without beginning or end.
The jiva-souls are eternal PERSON without any beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita teaches.
Prabhupada says in the first record Album he made in New York in December 1966, that we’re all originally Krsna conscious entities.
The jiva-souls are NOT originally from an impersonal or inactive clear state of consciousness, and the marginal potency isn’t a place that the jiva-souls came from either.
The marginal platform is NOT a place, it is an eternal collective of individual jiva-souls that are perpetually endowed with "free will" expressed fully in the Spiritual Worlds only.
And being marginal also means having free will.
There is always "free will" on all the Spiritual Planets including Goloka Vrindavana meaning one can leave anytime they want because of the free will.
So, if we came to this material world due to our choice to reject Krsna, that does NOT mean we had to know what all other options for us were.
Our desires are still there but centred around ourselves instead of Krsna.
The simply choice to leave Krsna's association means one wants to explore their own options, and this means they do NOT know what the material universe even is.
So how could one say the jiva-soul chose the material world, when the jiva-soul didn’t even know what the material world is?
No it is not like that, they simply had desires to please Krsna but those same desires are now self centred gratification.
The real meaning of all this is one's choices and desires ALWAYS exist, but by rejecting Krsna, those SAME choices and desires become "self centred" and no long Krsna centred.
It is that "original choice of rejecting Krsna" that takes the jiva-soul out of the Spiritual Worlds and eventually places them in the material creation under the jurisdiction of Maha Visnu without even knowing what the material world is.
All they know is their desires that were NOT material but rather no longer meant to please Krsna.
Previously the jiva-souls ALWAYS had their own desires and choices of what they want to do to please Krsna in the Spiritual Worlds, but now those same desires are no longer Krsna centred, they are self centred.
This is how the jiva-soul chooses to reject Krsna.
So now separated from Krsna, they simple put themselves in the center instead of Krsna.
"Desires" are always there.
All the desires the jiva-souls had previously to serve Kṛṣṇa are now independent from Krsna.
This means Krsna is no longer in the center and is ignored.
When the jīva-souls choose to reject Krsna in the Spiritual Planets, they then attempt to imitate Krsna and that is when they are instantaneous placed in the material creation under the jurisdiction of Maha Visnu's dreams.
Every desire that now does not include Krsna, is already on the "menu of choices" in blue-print within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
In order for the rebellious jiva-soul to make a choice, they ALREADY previously knew what their options were because they had those same desires for Krsna before they rejected Krsna.
The only difference is Krsna is no longer the object of one's loving effection.
In the Spiritual Worlds you cannot compare one's desires, choices and free will to the mundane material creation because while still in the Spiritual Worlds, the jiva-souls have no information about the material creation.
The Spiritual worlds are always in the "eternal presence" of Krsna and NEVER influenced by the material creations past, present and future, that only exists in the temporary decaying material creation.
By moving under the jurisdiction of Krsna's expansion Maha-Visnu, then what ever the jiva-souls choices are all will be fulfilled by Him.
This is achieved when the jiva-souls enter one of His dreams of the material creation that are simultaneously in sync with their own desires.
Only in the Spiritual Worlds do the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) fully express their full potential and never in the mundane material creation.
The jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS and have always had "desires" however, in the Spiritual Worlds their only desire to reciprocate and please Krsna is now to please themselves.
As said above, the jiva-souls can never become desireless, maybe for a short time by those impersonalists who enter the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they will always fall down from there.
The eternal nature of the jiva-souls are to be always active and ALWAYS have desires ultimately to please Krsna.
So when some jiva-souls reject Krsna their desires to please Him remain, they are still there, but are now self centred.
The jiva-souls in their natural position are never desireless which is the goal of impersonalists who foolishly believe the jiva-souls originated from the impersonal inactive Brahmajyoti.
It is a nonsense philosophy to say that we didn’t come from Krsna's abode of Goloka Vrindavana, which is the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) REAL eternal home.
Krsna states twice in the Srimad Bhagavatam that we left Him. Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53 and Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55.
Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul,
"Do you remember Me!!"
How can you remember what you never knew?
Krsna directly says 'hitvā māṁ', You rejected me. He says it again at 4.28.55 sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho.
"You are the one who rejected Me, O friend!" sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho.
Yes, we should now be determined to return back home back to Godhead, to again be with Krsna.”
Srila Prabhupāda clearly explains here from Srimad Bhagavatam that our original home, from where we all have originated from, is Goloka Vrindavana, the perpetual Kingdom of God.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53-
api smarasi catmanam
avijñata-sakham sakhe
hitva mam padam anvicchan
bhauma-bhoga-rato gatah
Translation by Srila Prabhupada-
The brahmana continued-
"My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can’t you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world".
Purport by Srila Prabhupada-
As stated in Bhagavad-gita (7.27)
iccha-dvesa-samutthena
dvandva-mohena bharata
sarva-bhutani sammoham
sarge yanti parantapa
“O scion of Bharata [Arjuna], O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are born into delusion, overcome by the dualities of desire and hate.”
This is an explanation of how the living entity falls down into this material world.
In the spiritual world there is no duality, nor is there hate.
The Supreme Personality of Godhead expands Himself into many. In order to enjoy bliss more and more, the Supreme Lord expands Himself in different categories.
As mentioned in the Varaha Purana, He expands Himself in visnu-tattva (the svamsa expansion) and in His marginal potency (the vibhinnamsa, or the living entity).
These expanded living entities are innumerable, just as the minute molecules of sunshine are innumerable expansions of the sun.
The vibhinnamsa expansions, the marginal potencies of the Lord, are the living entities. When the living entities desire to enjoy themselves, they develop a consciousness of duality and come to hate the service of the Lord.
In this way the living entities fall into the material world.
In the Prema-vivarta it is said-
krsna-bahirmukha haña bhoga-vañcha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare
The natural position of the living entity is to serve the Lord in a transcendental loving attitude.
When the living entity wants to become Krsna Himself or imitate Krsna, he falls down into the material world.
Since Krsna is the supreme father, His affection for the living entity is eternal. When the living entity falls down into the material world, the Supreme Lord, through His svamsa expansion (Paramatma), keeps company with the living entity.
In this way the living entity may some day return home, back to Godhead.
By misusing his independence, the living entity falls down from the service of the Lord and takes a position in this material world as an enjoyer — that is to say, the living entity takes his position within a material body.
Wanting to take a very exalted position, the living entity instead becomes entangled in a repetition of birth and death.
He selects his position as a human being, a demigod, a cat, a dog, a tree, etc.
In this way the marginal living entity selects a material body out of the 8,400,000 forms and tries to satisfy himself by a variety of material enjoyment.
The Supersoul, however, does not like him to do this. Consequently, the Supersoul instructs him to surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
The Lord then takes charge of the living entity. But unless the living entity is uncontaminated by material desires, he cannot surrender to the Supreme Lord.
In Bhagavad-gita (5.29) the Lord says-
bhoktaram yajña-tapasam
sarva-loka-mahesvaram
suhrdam sarva-bhutanam
jñatva mam santim rcchati
“The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.”
The Supreme Lord is the supreme friend of everyone; however, no one can take advantage of the supreme friend’s instructions while making his own plans to become happy and entangling himself in the modes of material nature.
When there is creation, the living entities take on different material forms according to past desires.
This means that all the species or forms of life are simultaneously created.
Darwin’s theory stating that no human being existed from the beginning but that humans evolved after many, many years is simply a nonsensical theory.
From Vedic literature we find that the first creature within the universe is Lord Brahma.
Being the most intelligent personality, Lord Brahma could take charge of creating all the variety found within this material world.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 54-
hamsav aham ca tvam carya
sakhayau manasayanau
abhutam antara vaukah
sahasra-parivatsaran
Translation by Srila Prabhupada-
My dear gentle friend, both you and I are exactly like two swans. We live together in the same heart, which is just like the Manasa Lake. Although we have been living together for many thousands of years, we are still far away from our original home.
Purport by Srila Prabhupada-
The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world.
In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully. Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world.
However, when the living entity wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world.
Even while he is in that position, the Lord remains with him as the Supersoul, his intimate friend.
Because of his forgetfulness, the marginal living entity does not know that the Supreme Lord is accompanying him as the Supersoul.
In this way the living entity remains conditioned in each and every millennium. Although the Lord follows him as a friend, the living entity, because of forgetful material existence, does not recognize Him.
Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55
sa tvam vihaya mam bandho
gato gramya-matir mahim
vicaran padam adraksih
kayacin nirmitam striya
Translation by Srila Prabhupada-
My dear friend, you are now My very same friend. Since you left Me, you have become more and more materialistic, and not seeing Me, you have been traveling in different forms throughout this material world, which was created by some woman.
Purport by Srila Prabhupada-
"When the living entity falls down, he goes into the material world, which was created by the external energy of the Lord.
This external energy is described herein as “some woman,” or prakrti. This material world is composed of material elements, ingredients supplied by the mahat-tattva, the total material energy.
The material world, created by this external energy, becomes the so-called home of the conditioned soul.
Within this material world the conditioned soul accepts different apartments, or different bodily forms, and then travels about.
Sometimes he travels in the higher planetary systems and sometimes in the lower systems.
Sometimes he travels in higher species of life and sometimes in lower species. He has been wandering within this material universe since time immemorial.
As explained by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu-
brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva
guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija
The living entity wanders into many species of life, but he is fortunate when he once again meets his friend, either in person or through His representative.
Actually, it is Krsna who personally advises all living entities to return home, back to Godhead. Sometimes Krsna sends His representative, who, delivering Krsna’s very message, canvasses all living entities to return home, back to Godhead.
Unfortunately the living entity is so greatly attached to material enjoyment that he does not take the instructions of Krsna or His representative very seriously.
This material tendency is mentioned in this verse as gramya-matih, sense gratification. The word mahim means “within this material world.”
All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) within this material world are sensually inclined.
Consequently they become entangled in different types of bodies and suffer the pangs of material existence". (SB.4.28.55)
The Sun-disc and the sun-rays CANNOT exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna's devotees can NEVER exist separate from Him, and Krsna can NEVER be separated from His devotees (parts and parcels)
Loving devotional service to Krsna is ALWAYS based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees.
The sincere devotee voluntarily contributes their unique individual expressions of service as the real act of surrendering to Krsna.
Where as a "one-way" domineering forceful demand of surrender from a so called God or Guru, who does not allow personal voluntary contributions and expressions, is cold impersonalism.
Denying an individual jiva-soul to have a "two-way" exchange of reciprocating feelings condemns the so called devotee to be no better than dead useless stone.
Personalism MEANS a "two-way" relationship of voluntary loving exchange that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls, Krsna and Guru.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (SB Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
It is VERY important to understand that the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal "PERSONS" who have their own unique individuality and personality different from Krsna's Personality, but simultaneously dependent on Krsna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.
The jiva-souls are eternal "PERSONS" with their own unique individual "feelings", who ALWAYS have their unique right of self expression in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana with Krsna (The Kingdom of God).
LOVING service to Krsna is NOT a "one-sided" impersonal affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence.
The fact is, genuine loving relations and service are based on "free will" which includes loving exhanges between TWO, and is NEVER a one sided dominating affair!
Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" relationship with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no "free will", then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can NEVER exist independently from Krsna even though they CAN express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions for encouraging unique individual contributions and personal offerings.
In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will are ALWAYS encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls, that adds flavour, variety and mystery to the association.
This means the Kingdom of God is NOT a one-sided dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings toq God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.
As said above, LOVE or service is NOT a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence Krsna always encourages self expression.
As emphasised above, genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between TWO and NEVER just one!
The individual jiva-souĺs have THEIR choices and voice too, EVEN if that means rejecting Krsna!
Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair that includes even rejecting Krsna.
In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.
The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are TWO involved, not one!
As said clearly above, this means the individual jiva-souls CAN reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" DOES truly exist.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force.” (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)
Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of EVERY "marginal living entity", and is the foundation for ALL jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupāda – ''Love means a relationship between "two persons", then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (August 9, 1976, Tehran)
In the material creation it takes the jiva-soul many, many, many life times to reach even the human form of life.
And then it takes many, many more life times to be trained up to be qualified to have a particular material bodily vessel we desire.
And out of all material bodily forms the most rare is being a devotee of Kṛṣṇa.
In the material creation one of the most famous song writers in modern times has been Sir Paul McCartney from the Beatles.
The fact is the material body he has achieved is the result of a very long journey of many, many life times that not even he realizes.
In other words, over thousands of life times, the jiva-soul's determination and endeavours to become the famous musician Paul McCartney has now been reached in this life.
The fact is this individual jiva-soul has worked very hard over many, many life times to achieve the material bodily vessel of a Paul McCartney.
In the material creation each jiva-soul is determined to reach the full expression of their desires by discovering from their free will, how to reach and achieve the full potential of their desires, separate from Krsna.
Only in the material creation can the rebellious jiva-soul attempt to imitate Krsna.
However, whatever is achieved is temporary and death eventually comes and takes everything away throwing the jiva-soul back into the cycle of birth and death.
If Paul McCartney and others on the rich and famous list knew the many, many thousands of life times they have had of being trained up to achieve what they now have in this life time, they would be amazed.
Actually in the material world we are ALL in the same boat meaning individually each of us have our own individual material desires of seeking out fame and wealth, and like the jiva-soul in Paul McCartney's material body, we also we must EARN the human bodily vessel we achieve, nothing happens by chance.
To be born in a human body is very rare because there are 8 million 400 thousand species of life in the material creation, and only 400,000 human species.
So getting a human body is very rare, we forget the great opportunity we have in having a human material body that gives us the intelligence to inquiry about our existence.
The lower species are controlled by the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending and does not allow inquisitive inquiry.
Also no Karma is created in the lower species, the hellish planetary systems or the heavenly planets.
Only in a human form on this Earth planet (Bhurloka) is Karma created.
The material body known as Paul McCartney was achieved by the jiva-soul over many, many, many life times of being trained up for that position.
Each jiva-souls can also achieve the fulfillment of a similar "dream of material greatness" such as Paul McCartney if that's what they "mistakenly" desire from the mundane material creation.
It is a mistake because human life is NOT meant for chasing individual selfish fame and wealth that lasts for one short life time of 70 or 80 years, it is meant for self-realization and getting out of this mundane material creation and return back home back to Godhead.
Yes, we CAN also experience famous life times over an eternity if we "desire and deserve" because we (the individual jiva-souls) are also on a long journey of self discovery attempting life after life to fulfill our material desires, just like the jiva-soul in the material body of Paul McCartney has done.
The jiva-soul is eternal, this means we were NEVER created and will never cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches, it is only the outward material bodily vessel that is perishable, temporary and eventually fades away with all its wealth and fame and eventually forgotten.
The material desires that each jiva-soul strives to experience in a material bodily vessel has to be earned over many, many, many life times (karma), and like all famous people who have reached their goal, all other embodied jiva-souls are also on their own journey to experience THEIR dreams too of grandeur, what ever they maybe.
However, to achieve such material dreams, it will take many, many life times to achieve, of being trained up to be qualified to enter a particular material bodily vessel one has desired, just like the jiva-soul in the material body of Paul McCartney has done.
However, the FULL potential of one's existence and the REAL permanent happiness of the individual jiva-soul, is to AGAIN return back home, back to Godhead and finish up these silly temporary material DREAMS of searching for so called fame, fortune and greatness life after life in the mundane decaying material worlds, and simply play in the wonderful forests of Vrindavana eternally with child Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. (George Harrison on his death bed realised this)
This is called personalism where one does NOT deny who they are as an individual contributing person, who is voluntarily an eternal servant of the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa (God).
Those jiva-souls who have chosen to leave Vaikuntha and enter the temporary material creation, eventually move through the 8 million 400 thousand species (material bodies) of life in material nature.
Therefore acquiring the human form of life is extremely rare (there are only 400 thousand species of human beings) and MUST be used properly to AGAIN help re-establish (realise) one's eternal spiritual identity and NOT continue attempting to exploit the material creation life after life (repeated birth and death experienced in a material bodily vessel)
ONLY in the human species can the journey of Spiritual life begin because as a human being one can inquire about the purpose of their existence, where they came from, what they are doing here, and where they are going.
All other species of life act only on the urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.*^
