A small percentage of marginal living entities or jiva-souls (less than 10% according to Srila Prabhupada (jīva-souls) do fall down to the material worlds (Brahmandas) from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.
Also the jiva-souls do not originate from the Impersonal Brahman, or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some believe.
The jiva-souls who enter the impersonal brahmajyoti or the Body of Maha-Visnu are already in a fallen condition.
Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that, "don’t fall down."
Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving Krsna."
Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."
Devotee – "In the Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?” Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, “All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)
Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?
Answer - No, there isn't because the jiva-souls have always had their free will eternally in the spiritual world. It is not based on a place you can never fall down from that will keep you in Vaikuntha, it does not work that way because it is based on "free will."
This means it is the jiva-soul's choice to be in with Krsna, or reject Him.
If we are forced by Krsna to love Him, then how can there be genuine love? No one, not even Kṛṣṇa, can force the marginal living entities (jiva-soul to love Him.
Loving relationships are always a "two-way street" based on reciprocation and voluntary loving exchanges, it is never a slave domineering master relationship that only destroys one's free will and sense of individual self.
Remaining in Vaikuntha "eternally" is also based on the jiva-soul's choice to remain there that over an eternity many change many times, causing the jiva-souls to fall down multiple times over an eternity.
No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character when engaging in voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are "two persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)
With such selfless emotions of loving devotion, the jiva-soul never loses their free will, which means they never lose their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to voluntarily offer personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-soul.
Every jiva-soul has the eternal quality of free will which is part and parcel of their perpetual make up or constitution as an eternal marginal living entity (jiva-soul)
In this way, each jiva-soul has their own individual sense of self, character, personality and being a unique one of a kind individual in the spiritual sky.
This eternally existing spiritual social code based on free will and having an independent personality and sense of an independent self, make up the character and personality of each jiva-soul that is without any beginning or ending point.
These qualities are part and parcel of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and is their eternal constitution.
This allows the jiva-souls to personally always voluntarily express themselves by serving Krsna voluntarily.
Free will means the jiva-souls have a choice on how to they want to serve Krsna, or even reject Krsna if they choose.
However, fortunately the majority of jiva-souls, over 90%, never make that foolish choice of rejecting Krsna and entering the temporary material creation.
It is also their choice of what they want to offer and contribute to the Lord as well, which is the very best from their personal unique abilities and talents they voluntarily choose to selflessly offer to Krsna or Visnu.
Each jiva-soul in the spiritual world knows what pleases Krsna or Visnu the most, which is humbly serving and the servants of the servants of the Lords in Goloka-Vrindavan and Vaikuntha.
This "selflessness" of serving the servant of the servant of Krsna is the highest realization of love of God.
The jiva-souls are responsibility for their own voluntary choices, and not Krsna. It is the jiva-soul's free will that allows them to choose to be with Krsna or reject Krsna.
It has to be this way otherwise free will would have no meaning if Krsna can over ride the jiva-souls independent expression of free will.
Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to love Him that must be voluntary.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion," that just like the Sun-disc cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly Krsna is meaningless without the association of His loving devotees.
And in Krsna Book Prabhupada also further explains-
Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun-disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)
The relationship between Krsna and the jiva-tattva (jiva-soul) is never one-sided, never forced, never impersonal, it is always reciprocal, nurturing, personal and voluntary, in a mood of good exchanges and feelings, only then can there be real love.
Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago, if you love me, then I will love you. This was his example that there must always be loving cooperation, reciprocation, exchanges and responding in kindness.
The fact is more than 90% of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) choose not to fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana because they use their free will correctly.
That choice is always with the jiva-souls otherwise there can be no real freedom. Unless there is the freedom to leave Krsna, the jiva-souls do not have their full freedom.
The jiva-souls or marginal living entities have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities, this percentage means they each have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities.
This puts the jiva-souls in the realm of having their own independence, individual identity, unique personality, and the ability to choose to accept or reject Krsna.
In other words the jiva-souls can make their own choices without being dictated too or bullied into submission or against their will.
As said above, this means the jiva-souls can agree or not agree with Krsna if they choose.
This sense of individuality allows the jiva-soul the right to choose Krsna or choose to exist separate from Krsna's pastimes and enter the material creation.
Remember, maya and the material energy does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana so maya is unknown to the jiva-souls there.
Having free will is permanent and is part and parcel of each jiva-soul's constitutional make in their "real home" in the spiritual worlds.
Having individuality, independence, experiencing a unique sense of individual self, and the ability to express all these qualities, is eternally the makeup of all jiva-souls.
As said above, each jiva-soul has 78.125% of Krsna's qualities (50 qualities only) that makes them separate expansions of Krsna.
The jiva-souls each have their own individual personality separate from Krsna's Personality.
Unlike the more direct Visnu-tattva expansions, who have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities (93.75%) that puts them in the category of being Krsna in just another role as Himself so obviously that never come under the influence of Maya or the material energy.
If free will is taken away from the jiva-souls, then they lose the ability to give and accept love, they become no better than dead stone or mindless drones.
Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974).
For love to truly exist, the jiva-souls must have their own unique free will so they are able to contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own special way.
This means the marginal constitutional make up of each jiva-soul always allows them to choose what to contribute in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana at all times.
As already explained, there are a small minority of jiva-souls who do choose to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan numbering less than 10%.
To say those in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana will never ever fall down is true - but only for those who choose not to fall down.
At anytime the jiva-souls can fall down from being eternal liberated (nitya-siddha) to being eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha)
In other words, if the jiva-souls want to leave they certainly can and not even Krsna interferes with their choice.
To make a blanket comment that "not even the leaves fall and leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana" seems to not take into consideration the free will of the jiva-souls.
Therefore to leave and end up in the material creation is ultimately the jiva-soul's choice, and Krsna does not interfere with that, even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation once back in the spiritual worlds.
The fact is there is return if the jiva-soul wants to return Prabhupada explains here-
Acyutananda – "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming there to the spiritual world, he never returns to the material worlds, he can return?"
Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary."
Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"
Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)
Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here, that choice to stay or go is always the jiva-souls.
For love to truly exist with the jiva-soul, they must have the right to choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana at anytime, therefore returning home is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here.
Syamasundara - "But can we predict that the process (returning back home back to Godhead) will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, but some come back."
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."
Syamasundara - "And some come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no question of permanent because he has got independence, he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back. but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara and Henri Bergson 1976)
For those who believe "no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana once there, have not understood the Spiritual worlds where all jiva-souls originated from anyway.
Also there are basically two varieties of living entities in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
The jiva-souls or jiva-tattva are one variety, and the Visnu-tattvas are the other.
Only the jiva-souls can choose to leave because they are given independent free will.
The Visnu-tattva direct expansions of Krsna who play many different roles assisting Krsna, never choose to leave Krsna's side or fall down because technically they are Krsna.
Many today have not understood there are many different inhabitants of Vrindavana who never fall down by choice because they are more direct expansions of Krsna, such as some sakti-tattvas who are Krsna Himself playing another role in His pastimes, they never fall down because they are simultaneously eternal associates and Krsna experiencing Himself in unlimited extended ways.
And over 90% of jiva-souls choose to not fall down but because of free will that also can change over time as said above.
There is no such thing as permanently staying in the spiritual worlds because at anytime that can change because each jiva-soul has free-will, they may not fall down because they choose not to fall down.
Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back."
Srila Prabhupada - "No! There is possibility, but he does not come. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again IF you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they must become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead?" (Discussions with Syamasundara dasa).
However, there will always be some jiva-souls (not Visnu-tattva direct expansions of Krsna) who misuse their free will and choose to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
Free will is eternal in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan and without the choice to forget or remember Krsna, then there would be no individuality and no independent personality, and no ability to love, we would simply be mindless yes man and woman like machine drones in a factory.
The jiva-souls have to be educated to think for themselves and never indoctrinated to be told what think.
Such a dictatorship that denies personal contributions and voluntary participation in a two sided relationship, is the worse type of impersonalism.
Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
More than 90% of jiva-souls "choose" to stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana and never fall down, which means entering the material creation seeking selfish desires again.
All jiva-souls have only 78.125% of Krsna's ’s qualities (50 out of Krsna's 64 qualities) can leave if they choose.
To be in Vaikuntha does not always guarantee you will stay there forever and never enter the material world again.
Although as already explained 90% never choose to forget Krsna because that is their desire and expression of free will, sadly some jiva-souls do choose to leave or fall from Vaikuntha however, Prabhupada explains it is only a very small minority who foolishly make that choice, less than 10%.
Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"
Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Let's clear one thing up, falling into the material world has absolutely nothing to do with maya or the material energy because maya does not and can not exist in Vaikuntha.
The jiva-souls do not even know Maya or the material energy exists, however, they do have free will and the ability to choose and are aware that this quality is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-soul’s makeup and exists in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
We do not lose our independence and sense of individual identity once we enter Vaikuntha, we are eternally independent living entities even in Vaikuntha.
However, we always depend of Krsna in Vaikuntha, or His many Visnu-tattva expansions like Maha-Visnu and Garbhodakashayi Visnu who provide all facilities in the material creation.
We can never be truly independent because everything, all that is, belongs to Krsna.
In other words we are always independent living entities but always depend on Krsna for our existence, just like the sun-rays cannot exist without the Sun-disc.
The fact is because we can "choose to be with Krsna or reject Him," then there can be increasing endeavors of loving exchange and reciprocation due to choice.
This is one of the reasons why the material universe was created - to give "reality" to that choice of rejecting and forgetting Krishna, just so the living entity can go to another place outside Vaikuntha and try to enjoy life without being Krsna conscious.
The marginal living entity or jiva-souls must have that free will to choose to be with Krsna, or not be with Krsna if they want, instead of just being in Vaikuntha without having no choice or free will at all as some believe.
Such mentality that denies free will is actually impersonalism.
The point made here is the position of the jiva-soul in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana must be voluntary.
Once again to be truly free there must be the choice of Vaikuntha or its so called opposite where Krsna can be forgotten, the material creation.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."
Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this."
Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"
Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
It takes only free will to live separately from Krsna and this choice has nothing to do with maya or material energy as explained above - it is simple free will that allows us to be a independent person and enter the material creation too.
To do that one is given material bodies, a subtle and gross body that covers the spiritual form.
In the material worlds, the jiva-souls has to put up with a gross material bodily vessel always being in a state of decline and decay, and then eventually being forced out of that material body forced to take another gross material body when it ceases to function.
Also once in the material creation, you're on your own terms, you are responsible for all your actions good and bad, therefore karma begins as soon as you leave Vaikuntha.
No jiva-souls originate from the dormant Brahmajyoti ot Brahman. The conditioned jiva-souls often fall to impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti after be fed up and frustrated with material existence, but they have never originated from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as Srila Prabhupada explains.
Srila Prabhupada - "The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Aug 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Happening record album, New York City, Dec 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
Srila Prabhupada - "The actual constitutional position of every living entity is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), because God is eternal and His part and parcels, the living entities, they are also eternal. So that is nitya-siddha. Nitya-siddha, sädhana-siddha, krpa-siddha-there are different grades. They are all described in The Nectar of Devotion. So one can become sadhana siddha." (CC, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become nitya-siddha (eternally liberated). He can become AGAIN siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas (eternally conditioned) AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them back home. It is a difficult task." (New York City lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 83 Purport)
Srila Prabhupada makes our original infinite position with Krsna very clear.
Maya cannot be blamed for our fall down from Vaikuntha in any way because She, in her role as the personification of material energy, does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to tempt the jiva-souls.
But free will does and always will exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana. Therefore we are responsible for our choices and actions.
Srila Prabhupada on the other hand chose to come here to serve Krsna's plan to attract the fallen jiva-souls in the material universe back home back to Godhead.
Many devotees also come here to preach Krsna Consciousness.
There are three ways the jiva-souls can come here to the material creation
1 - As a devotee who preaches God Consciousness according to time, place and cirumatance.
2 - As a devotee who plays the part as a great demon like Jay and Vijay the gatekeepers of Vaikuntha.
3 - And those who "choose" to forget and give up Krsna's association to do their own thing in the material creation and attempt to be a god.
One can never have material desires in Vaikuntha because Maya does not exist there but free will allows one to choose to be with Krsna or reject Him. Such a choice has nothing to do with maya
Maya cannot be blamed for tempting us and causing our fall down from Vaikuntha in any way because She, in her role as the personification of material energy, does not exist in Vaikuntha.
Nothing material can exist there.
But "free will" always exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana. We therefore can leave because free will gives us a choice to accept or reject Krsna.
As an individual ''person'' endowed with independent thought and identity, we are able to make such chooses.
Śrīla Prabhupāda - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique PERSON who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose to do so.
As Prabhupāda explains, Kṛṣṇa never forces the jīva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that must be voluntary expressed in a "two-way" exchange otherwise love can never exist without those voluntary exchanges.
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Kṛṣṇa as flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Kṛṣṇa as cow, he serves Kṛṣṇa as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)
What does the majority of people think being a "PERSON" really means after you surrender to Krsna?
1 - Do they think it is becoming some "yes man or women" of Krsna in His Kingdom where one becomes a mindless none thinking denier of the "individual self" who has unique qualities that makes you an individual?
2 - Do they think surrender means we give up our individuality? Sadly, so many have no idea what real "personalism" is which is a word tied to individuality and free will.
The idea that "surrender" means "don't think and just do what your told," is impersonalist nonsense because it denies ''you'' as a contributing living entity to voluntarily offer your own abilities and talents contributed uniquely with your personality that no one else can do exactly the same way.
So no, you do not give up your independent individuality, free will, sense of self worth or self esteem to be fully "surrendered and dependant" on Krsna.
Only fools claim you have to give up your individuality, free will and independent thinking to be surrendered to Krsna.
In fact in Goloka your individual independence and dependence on Krsna go together side by side increasing simultaneously at the same time and is always expanding in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
It takes spiritual intelligence to understand what real surrender is, and that includes understanding you are eternally an person with your own independent individuality separate from all other individual jiva-souls including Kṛṣṇa's personality, but Krsna, as Paramatma, always accompanies the jiva-souls as a friend and a witness to their actions.
The jiva-souls are not part of an "all-one" programmed none thinking impersonal collective" within God's Kingdom, no, that is a description of what hell is like.
Impersonalism means believing that in Vaikuntha we give up our free will, independence, individuality and unique personality and become part of an "all-one" collective consciousness who does everything Krsna demands devoid of reciprocation and loving exchanges.
Living an impersonal existence is to be devoid of individual thought that denies personal contributions that makes you, the PERSON you really are and Krsna's eternal servant.
Personalism means the individual jiva-soul must be able to grow and flourish as an independent living being voluntarily giving their own personal contributions of devotion to Krsna.
To deny the jiva-souls their individuality and independent sense of identity and personality is a hell real Krsna devotees fear.
Only when the jiva-souls desires not to be with Krsna, do they enter the material creation and realize Maya's existence, and later, after becoming frustrated with the cycle of birth and death, do they attempt to merge into the impersonal Brahmajyoti to escape material existence.
Such an attemp to extinguish one's individual identity is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava devotee.
Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return."
Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary. Return there is."
Paramahamsa - "If we want."
Srila Prabhupada - “Yes."
Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."
Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, Krsna says, yes, you go." Just like nobody is interested in Krsna consciousness. So, they want to enjoy this material world. Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this."
Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes." (May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
The jiva-souls are responsible for their choices and actions, and in the material creation free will almost does not exist because one is bound by the reactions of their pious and impious deeds (karma).
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)
Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970)
Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa, 7/9/1970)
Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"
Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"
Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:
krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare
We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea, we want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth." (SB Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2, Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)
Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once returning from the material worlds, he never returns."
Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return."
Acyutananda - "He can return?"
Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Feb 19, 1976, Mayapura)
Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Loving relationships and expressions of love are always a two way street based on reciprocation and loving exchanges, it is never a slave domineering master relationship that only destroys one's free will and sense of individual self.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, NY City, Nov 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be done or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one, there must be two. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973).×××.
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