Sunday, May 28, 2023

There are no new jiva-souls being created! The jiva-souls here have ALWAYS existed and were NEVER created.

Srila Prabhupada - "There is no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be a new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9th July 1970)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons in the spiritual and material worlds therefore, there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed, meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Maha-Visnu does not create the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) as some big scholars foolishly believe and teach their students.

What happens is the individual jiva-souls go to Maha-Visnu first after falling down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, to aquire (hire) a material bodily vessel so they can enter the material creation.

No jiva-souls originates from Maha-Visnu, they go through Him on their way to the material world.

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9th July 1970)

All jiva-souls are beginningless and endless, they were NEVER created, not even by Krsna and are just as old as Kṛṣṇa which means they NEVER cease to exist. 

The implications of this comment is mind boggling because it ALSO means that over an never ending eternity, you (the individual jiva-soul) can experience "being" EVERY material bodily form there is in the material world.

Understanding the meaning of the term "marginal energy." 

The jiva-souls are known as Krsna's “marginal energy,” the marginal energy (jiva-souls) are individual living entities and NOT some place where the jiva-souls have originated from, no, the marginal potency or realm ARE the individual jiva-souls!

This simply means the jiva-souls are under the influence of either the spiritual energy or under the influence of the material energy.  

The marginal realm or potency is NOT a place, as clearly said above the marginal potency ARE the individual jiva-souls.

Many misunderstand this fact.

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva souls), who have existed as long as Krsna has existed. 

The marginal platform means the "jiva-souls" or spirit souls, who naturally belong as individuals in the supreme spiritual energy with Krsna, are called "marginal living entities" because they can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or material energy eternally, explained as follows by Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom.” (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy, called as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we (the jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities (jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Album, New York City, Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul) Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Therefore, being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some imaginary place in the Brahmajyoti.

First of all, being placed in the marginal category means having free will, or having the choice to be influenced by the spiritual energy (their nature position and full potential) or influenced by the material energy. 

As said above, the real meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can be choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy based on their free will.

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity.” This means, just like Krsna, they are beginningless and endless and were NEVER created.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are EQUALLY intimate and uniquely exclusively personal with Krsna (God) in His Kingdom regardless of the pastime. This is because in the spiritual world, ALL relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other", just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower.

Srila Prabhupada - “The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The jiva-souls are known as Krsna's “marginal energy,” the marginal energy (jiva-souls) are individual living entities and NOT some place where the jiva-souls have originated from, no, the marginal potency or realm ARE the individual jiva-souls!

The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls are under the influence of either the spiritual energy, or the material energy.

Krsna and the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have always exist together like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays always exist together. Krsna is like the Sun-disc who maintains all the sun-rays (jiva-souls)

The jiva-souls are Krsna's part and parcel who are known as the "marginal living entities." 

This means they can be influenced by either the spiritual or the material world. Having free will is also part and parcel of the jiva-soul's eternal constitution.

Nothing can happen without Krsna's sanction including free will however, for the jiva-souls to experience their full potential as individual thinking living beings  they must have the freedom to voluntarily enter a two-sided relationship of loving exchanges with Krsna.

If Krsna never allowed free will, then He would be surrounded by mindless drones making Him cruel cold dictatorial uselss God!

Free will allows the jiva-souls to personally be aware they are unique individual, independent "persons" who can voluntarily choose to serve Krsna in a way they choose, or even reject Him.

Free will means it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavana or Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets, or even not surrender to Krsna if they choose. 

Although in the spiritual sky that is rare, more than 90% of jiva-souls never choose to foolishly reject Krsna, only less than 10% choose to reject Krsna and enter the material creation Prabhupada has explained.

If the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana reject Visnu or Krsna, then they obviously cannot stay there.

The only place available for them is the temporary material creation meant for those who choose to leave the spiritual worlds.

It is also their choice of what they want to offer or contribute to the Lord, which is their very best from their personal abilities that they voluntary choose to selflessly offer to Krsna.

Each jiva-soul in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana knows when they please Krsna the best most by humbly and selflessly serving the servants of the servants of the servants of Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavan or Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets.

This selflessness of serving Krsna's devotees is the highest realization of love of God.

For the jiva-souls not to fall from God's personal Kingdom, is the jiva-soul's personal choice too, they are fully responsibility for their own individuality, and are aware of their independent choices, that Krsna will never interfere with, even if they choose to reject Krsna.

This "free will" allows them to voluntarily choose as they want, and nobody else, including Krsna, will interfere with that choice because Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to love Him at the point of a gun.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun-disc cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly the living entities have no meaning without Krsna, and Kṛṣṇa has no meaning without the living entities.

In Krsna Book Prabhupada explains-

"As the Sun-disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, similarly Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)

As explained above, the relationship between Krsna and His jiva-soul individual expansions (marginal living entities) is never "one-sided," never forced and never impersonal, it is always a personal relationship of reciprocation, nurturing, voluntary service, in a "two-way" mood of loving service, only then can there be genuine loving exchanges in a relationship..××





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