Tamal Krsna - "Srila Prabhupada, someone asked a question the other day about the atom which I couldn’t give the answer to. His question is that if we say that within the atom the living entity, the jiva, is present, and life symptoms means six symptoms of birth, growth."
Srila Prabhupada - "That’s all right. Their life symptoms has not yet come. But there is."
Jayadvaita - "Potential."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."
Tamal Krsna - "His question was, it was sort of a dual question. At what time, or what…? Just like at the time of disintegration of this body, the living entity leaves this body and the body disintegrates, so does the atomic body also disintegrate when the living entity leaves it and moves to a higher body?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Atomic body? Atomic body means material body. Unless you are free from this material body, the atomic body will go on with you. That means unless you are mukta, the atomic body will go on. Mind, intelligence, ego — they are also atomic, finer atomic body (subtle body)."
Tamal Krsna - "But within each atom the living entity is present?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, God is present; therefore living entity is present."
Tamal Krsna - "So the living entity is present within the atom just as I am present within this body. When I leave this body, my body breaks apart."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, you leave this body, enter another body."
Tamal Krsna - "Right."
Srila Prabhupada - "By nature’s law."
Tamal Krsna - "And when I leave this body, the body breaks apart."
Srila Prabhupada - "Eh?"
Tamal Krsna - "When I leave this body, the body dis…"
Srila Prabhupada - "The body is already atomic combination."
Tamal Krsna - "Yes."
Srila Prabhupada - "So it remains atomic combination. You leave the body."
Tamal Krsna - "Yes. It remains…"
Srila Prabhupada - "You leave the house. That does not mean the house is finished."
Tamal Krsna - "Right, I can understand that."
Hamsaduta - "He’s asking that if the soul leaves the atomic particle, then does the particle break apart. Isn’t it?"
Srila Prabhupada - "No, no, you have not left atomic particle."
Tamal Krsna - "No, but you, you’re… I think you were saying that within the atom there’s also a living entity. So when that living entity leaves the atomic particle does the particle break apart? Or doesn’t it? I mean what…?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Just try to understand. From the sastra, you understand that andantara-stham: “God lives within the atom.”
Tamal Krsna - "Yes."
Srila Prabhupada - "And when the God is there, living entity’s also there. This… This much you try to understand. Because God and living entity, they remain together, as two friends. God is trying to save this fallen friend. That is the information from Upanisad. So when God is there, the living entity is also there."
Rupanuga - "So Paramatma and jiva-soul are always together."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."
Pancadravida - "The jivas inside the atom, are they like impersonalists who are in the Brahman?"
Srila Prabhupada - "That you consider. He has not developed his consciousness. Practically, it is like dead." (Morning Walk April 4 1975, Mayapur)
Existence in the impersonal brahman or dormant within the atom is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. One may be in that condition for a very, very, very long time (thousands of life times of Brahma whose life span is 311 trillion and 40 billion human years long) but such a condition is only temporary.
This is because the nature of the jiva-soul is to be always active and NOT inactive or dormant. Those who are in the brahman effulgence or inactive within the atom are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition.
The "non-fallen infinite" position of the individual jiva-souls is on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana with Visnu and Krsna.
Being "dormant" (inactive) in the atom or impersonal Brahmajyoti is a fallen condition, an unnatural condition of consciousness.
As said above, when fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition, and that non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
So long as one maintains their pure Krsna consciousness, the jiva-souls are not fallen. As soon as the jiva-soul becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately they are fallen.
Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.” (Hare Krsna happening record album, New York City, Dec 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ immediately fall down.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
The jiva-soul's original form is having the same bodily features as Krsna, sat, cit, ananda, vigraha which means
eternity,
knowledge,
bliss,
FORM.
Remember, the jiva-soul is an eternal PERSON held together by form Prabhupada explains here-
Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri dasa – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”
Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."
Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
The full infinite potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.
Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.
This allows them to always make voluIntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy two-way exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.
It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "persons" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each individual jiva-soul must have their free will so they can contribute in their own way and make their own choices in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, even if it means choosing to leave Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcel expansion of the Krsna.
Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can never exist.
Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)
As said above, having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds.
This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want. Free will always allows this because if it didn't, then there is no question of having voluntary loving exchanges.
Also, it is from Goloka Vrindavana that some jiva-souls choose to enter the Vaikuntha Planets and appear there in a blue four armed form similar to Lord Visnu.
The appearance of eternal youth only exists on the Vaikuntha planets, where as in Goloka Vrindavana one does not have a body that is blue like Krsnas, there it is different with more variety of bodily forms.
It is one's "rasa" that is eternal (but changable among other eternal spiritual bodies), what ever body that maybe, like Krsna's uncle, parents, the old shop owner, etc.
Bodily appearance there is according to pastime, everyone does not look the same in Goloka Vrindavana like they do on the Vaikuntha planets
Everything is originally based on "personalism" or spiritual energy known as "anti-matter" who are unlimited individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities), and also Visnu-tattva direct expansions of Krsna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.
The jiva-souls are active as "anti-matter" (living individual spiritual energy [persons]), and inactive or dormant as matter (also spiritual energy).
Both "anti-matter" and "matter" are what makes up the Spiritual Sky, 75% is anti-matter (life) and 25% is matter (lifeless)
With dead matter like stone in the material creation, the individual consciousness of the jiva-souls dormant (inactive in the atoms of that stone, are completely dormant, which means almost dead (totally inactive) hence dead matter, another aspect of impersonalism.
A difference between "matter," (25% of the spiritual sky) where the jiva-souls are mostly dormant (inactive) in the material atom, or covered by a material bodily vessel and only partially active, and "anti-matter," (life) is the jiva-souls are fully active in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana (75% of the Spiritual Sky).
However, the material creation is where "anti-matter" (jiva-souls) are dormant (inactive) making them "dead matter" and therefore inert in an impersonal existence where they appear devoid of life.
1/4 of the Spiritual Sky is known as matter and therefore inactive, or covers the jiva-souls with a temporary material bodily vessel that is always in a state of decline and decay.
3/4 of the Spiritual Sky is "anti-matter" made up of unlimited individual "living" entities (persons).
(individual living entities) who are spiritually active serving Visnu and Krsna.
Dead matter is also part of the Spiritual Sky (1/4 of the Spiritual Sky) where individual jiva-souls are inactive or dormant in matter, because Visnu and the jiva-souls are together within each individual material atom.
Other jiva-souls trapped in the material creation, are partially active, covered and restricted by matter in different grades.
All matter is made up of individual atoms with both Paramatma (Visnu/Narayana) and the dormant (inactive) individual jiva-souls, are both present. The natural full potential and infinite position of the jiva-souls is to be fully active in the service of Krsna.
God (Visnu/Narayana ) and the individual jiva-souls are always together within each "atom."
Srila Prabhupada - "Just try to understand. From the sastra, you understand that andantara-stham: “God lives within the atom and when the God is there, the living entity is also there. This much you try to understand. Because God and living entity always remain together, as two friends. God is trying to save this fallen friend. That is the information from Upanisad. So when God is there in the atom, the living entity is also there." (Morning Walk April 4, 1975, Mayapur).+.
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