The individual jiva-souls in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever positively inventing ways of expanding their individual expression of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their perpetual unique relationship with Him.

Such a relationship is never impersonal, one-sided or one-way because Krsna always reciprocates with such genuine loving affection with His devotees in “two-way” loving exchange.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.  

Surrender to Krsna does not mean eliminating your individual identity and denying self-expression through free will, such a mindless "one-sided" existence only allows a none-contributing stagnant loveless impersonal version of so called surrender to Krsna (God)

This kind of mindless (emotionless) so called surrender only extinguishes the jiva-soul's independent spirit of self expression, individuality, free-will and their ability to voluntary contribute and provide individual offerings to Radha and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity.

The individual jiva-soul's  relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna.

Only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

From personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by the individual jiva-souls that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a two-way mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the jiva-soul's independent expressions coming from their free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

Genuine loving exchanges or service is always a "two-way" street, it is never a "one-way" or a one-sided affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutal loving respectful exchanges between two, is not love at all, it is cold impersonalism.

Loving service can only really again exist when the conditioned jīva-souls in the material world in the rare human form of life are trained up by the Spiritual Master to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotees, where they can again express the full potential of their constitutional right as a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) who reciprocates fully with Kṛṣṇa in a two-way relationship loving exchanges in the spiritual world.

Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in its natural two-way relationship based on reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

The jiva-souls in their original position in their home in the spiritual world, have the same bodily features Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

1 - Sat - eternal

2 - Cit - have all knowledge

3 - Ananda - always blissful

4 - Vigraha – have an eternal spiritual bodily form with no beginning point, and will never cease to be.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsnas.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact.” (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia  May 20, 1975)

A relationship between two can only experience loving exchanges because there must be two to experience love, love can never be experienced with just one as said above by Prabhupada. This is why Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) in the first place, so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna in a two-way exchange.

The full expression or potential of the individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual world (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) where they can voice their free will in full through voluntary acts of self expression, and not while restricted in a decaying material bodily vessel in the temporary material world.

Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa is enriched and further enhanced by the jīva-soul’s personal unique loving voluntary contributions of unique service Prabhupāda taught us.

This means the relationship with Kṛṣṇa is not impersonal in anyway, it is never a one-way or one-sided forceful mindless dictatorship where voluntary contributions are denied.

As said above, a two-way relationship based on voluntary offering of services, is the only way to increase, enrich and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls in a meaningful exchange of positive  feelings and emotions.

Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) for this purpose for establishing a two-way voluntary relationship, just so they can express their personal unique loving feelings too, experienced differently from Krsna by each individual jīva-soul in their unique relationship with Krsna.

The fact is, real freedom, or experiencing the full potential of one's unique independent personality, is only fully experienced in Goloka Vṛndāvana and on the Vaikuṇṭha planets, where no jiva-soul is forced to do anything in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana they do not choose to do because all service on the spiritual planets are voluntary and never forced or demanded.

The reason why the spiritual worlds are like this, is all loving relationship with Kṛṣṇa are never founded on Him forcing His demands of obedience or even viewpoints on the individual jiva-souls. The jiva-souls must voluntary choose for themselves only then can loving exchanges and mutual respect exist between Krsna and His devotees.

A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, and to only just obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings) and intelligent inquiry, only makes the jiva-souls no better than dead stone and is impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The fact is, this kind of mindless impersonal emotionless none contributing surrender to a so called God or Spiritual Master or teacher, without being encouraged to voluntary contribute in one’s own personal unique way is dangerous impersonal bogus mentality.

The individual jiva-souls must be encouraged and nurtured to only participate in a "two-way" reciprocal relationship of respectful exchanges, where the devotee is always encouraged by the bonafide spiritual teacher to come to the platform of voluntary personal contributions. 

Mindless surrender in a “one-sided” loveless dictatorship is nonsense impersonalism and dangerous.

Such impersonal dominant relationships, where the individual jīva-soul’s personality and character are artificially restricted and suppressed by always being told what to do without personal input, and not being allowed to think for themselves, only extinguishes the jiva-soul's spiritual identity, individuality, self expression and personality.

Such Mayavadi teachings of attempting to extinguish "free will" in the name of surrender is spiritual suicide!!

Under such impersonal conditions of being denied the spiritual right of self determination, the individual jiva-soul's natural constitution of self-expression, that allows them to choose for themselves what to contribute or offer to Kṛṣṇa, is replaced by a one-way emotionless forceful demands of being told what to do, what to offer and how to think.

No, the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are NOT loveless, mindless and impersonal like that.

Srila Prabhupada – “We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love.” (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “With the (impersonalist) philosophy of oneness, how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa, is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Love or genuine selfless service is  based on a "two-way" exchange of feelings, this means each jīva-soul can provide their own individual contributions of personal offerings as an expression of their own independent individuality and free will.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada  - “Also free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will.”

Hayagriva dasa – “A man may know better but still act wrongly.”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will.” (Excerpt: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Only the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (75% of the Spiritual Sky) are not effected by impermanence or the passing of time (past, present and future). 

This is because in the spiritual world only "the eternal presence of Krsna's pastimes exists there. That is why there is no birth, disease, old age, death or decay  in the spiritual world because there in no concept of time which means everything there is ever fresh.

The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world never experience the decomposition or decay of the temporary material world which takes up 25% of the Spiritual Sky.

The eternal individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless meaning they were never created, the jiva-souls are just as old as Krsna is as Chapter Two of Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970).×÷×

The relationship with Krsna in the spiritual world (The Kingdom of God) is never a “one-way” forced unproductive affinity.

The individual jiva-soul's  relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna.

Only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna.

This is achieved by forever positively inventing ways of expanding their individual expression of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their unique perpetual relationship with Him.

Such a relationship is never impersonal, one-sided or one-way because Krsna always reciprocates with such genuine loving affection with His devotees in “two-way” loving exchange.

Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.  

Surrender to Krsna does not mean eliminating your individual identity and denying self-expression through free will, such a mindless "one-sided" existence only allows a none-contributing stagnant loveless impersonal version of so called surrender to Krsna (God)

This kind of mindless (emotionless) so called surrender only extinguishes the jiva-soul's independent spirit of self expression, individuality, free-will and their ability to voluntary contribute and provide individual offerings to Radha and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

From personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by the individual jiva-souls that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a two-way mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions from the jiva-soul's independent expressions coming from their free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.

Genuine loving exchanges or service is always a "two-way" street, it is never a "one-way" or a one-sided affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutal loving respectful exchanges between two, is not love at all, it is cold impersonalism.

Loving service can only really again exist when the conditioned jīva-souls in the material world in the rare human form of life are trained up by the Spiritual Master to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotees, where they can again express the full potential of their constitutional right as a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) who reciprocates fully with Kṛṣṇa in a two-way relationship loving exchanges in the spiritual world.

Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in its natural two-way relationship based on reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

The jiva-souls in their original position in their home in the spiritual world, have the same bodily features Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

1 - Sat - eternal

2 - Cit - have all knowledge

3 - Ananda - always blissful

4 - Vigraha – have an eternal spiritual bodily form with no beginning point, and will never cease to be.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsnas.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul.”

Hari-sauri dasa – “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact.” (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia  May 20, 1975)

A relationship between two can only experience loving exchanges because there must be two to experience love, love can never be experienced with just one as said above by Prabhupada. This is why Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) in the first place, so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna in a two-way exchange.

The full expression or potential of the individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual world (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) where they can voice their free will in full through voluntary acts of self expression, and not while restricted in a decaying material bodily vessel in the temporary material world.

Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa is enriched and further enhanced by the jīva-soul’s personal unique loving voluntary contributions of unique service Prabhupāda taught us.

This means the relationship with Kṛṣṇa is not impersonal in anyway, it is never a one-way or one-sided forceful mindless dictatorship where voluntary contributions are denied.

As said above, a two-way relationship based on voluntary offering of services, is the only way to increase, enrich and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls in a meaningful exchange of positive  feelings and emotions.

Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) for this purpose for establishing a two-way voluntary relationship, just so they can express their personal unique loving feelings too, experienced differently from Krsna by each individual jīva-soul in their unique relationship with Krsna.

The fact is, real freedom, or experiencing the full potential of one's unique independent personality, is only fully experienced in Goloka Vṛndāvana and on the Vaikuṇṭha planets, where no jiva-soul is forced to do anything in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana they do not choose to do because all service on the spiritual planets are voluntary and never forced or demanded.

The reason why the spiritual worlds are like this, is all loving relationship with Kṛṣṇa are never founded on Him forcing His demands of obedience or even viewpoints on the individual jiva-souls. The jiva-souls must voluntary choose for themselves only then can loving exchanges and mutual respect exist between Krsna and His devotees.

A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, and to only just obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings) and intelligent inquiry, only makes the jiva-souls no better than dead stone and is impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The fact is, this kind of mindless impersonal emotionless none contributing surrender to a so called God or Spiritual Master or teacher, without being encouraged to voluntary contribute in one’s own personal unique way is dangerous impersonal bogus mentality.

The individual jiva-souls must be encouraged and nurtured to only participate in a "two-way" reciprocal relationship of respectful exchanges, where the devotee is always encouraged by the bonafide spiritual teacher to come to the platform of voluntary personal contributions. 

Mindless surrender in a “one-sided” loveless dictatorship is nonsense impersonalism and dangerous.

Such impersonal dominant relationships, where the individual jīva-soul’s personality and character are artificially restricted and suppressed by always being told what to do without personal input, and not being allowed to think for themselves, only extinguishes the jiva-soul's spiritual identity, individuality, self expression and personality.

Such Mayavadi teachings of attempting to extinguish "free will" in the name of surrender is spiritual suicide!!

Under such impersonal conditions of being denied the spiritual right of self determination, the individual jiva-soul's natural constitution of self-expression, that allows them to choose for themselves what to contribute or offer to Kṛṣṇa, is replaced by a one-way emotionless forceful demands of being told what to do, what to offer and how to think.

No, the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are NOT loveless, mindless and impersonal like that.

Srila Prabhupada – “We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love.” (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “With the (impersonalist) philosophy of oneness, how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa, is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Love or genuine selfless service is  based on a "two-way" exchange of feelings, this means each jīva-soul can provide their own individual contributions of personal offerings as an expression of their own independent individuality and free will.

Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada  - “Also free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will.”

Hayagriva dasa – “A man may know better but still act wrongly.”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will.” (Excerpt: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Only the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (75% of the Spiritual Sky) are not effected by impermanence or the passing of time (past, present and future). 

This is because in the spiritual world only "the eternal presence of Krsna's pastimes exists there. That is why there is no birth, disease, old age, death or decay  in the spiritual world because there in no concept of time which means everything there is ever fresh.

The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world never experience the decomposition or decay of the temporary material world which takes up 25% of the Spiritual Sky.

The eternal individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless meaning they were never created, the jiva-souls are just as old as Krsna is as Chapter Two of Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970).=×=

There was no beginning to the individual jiva-soul's existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy, an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls, who have all existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity. 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form and can never be destroyed, cut into pieces, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible. Genuine loving exchanges can never exist for the individual jiva-souls if their asscociation with Krsna the Supreme Lord, was not a voluntary "two-way" relationship based on mutual reciprocation.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two-persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Srila Prabhupada quotes 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Bali Mardana dasa - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will but misuses his free will, just like a thief who knows he is stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. But unless there can be misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one-way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Massachusetts, 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 Text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy jiva-souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama dasa, Dec 2, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Visnu-tattva who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes) The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-tattva or the independent jiva-souls (marginal living entities) like us." (From BG, Ch 10 Text 37, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every living being has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa siddhi perfection of one’s constitutional position." (BG As It Is, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 27 Feb 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy jiva-souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a two-arm spiritual form like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two-arm, two leg spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body, and do not originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as impersonalists foolishly believe.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS as an eternal spiritual bodily form who can never be destroyed, terminated, cut into pieces or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

Being a marginal living entity means the individual jiva-souls have the choice to stay in the spiritual world, which is the jiva-soul’s nature home and position, or enter the temporary material world, the unnatural conditioned state of the jiva-souls.  

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal living entities (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity. 

Being a bodiless inactive (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, is already a fallen unnatural bodiless artifical condition of the individual jiva-souls, who in their full potential, are a spiritual bodily PERSON and FORM fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world, serving Him as explained above, which is the jiva-soul's natural eternal home and position.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (inactive) [impersonal] Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of bodiless individual jiva-souls whose nature original eternal spiritual bodily form is suppressed.

The individual eternal jiva-souls seek out the inactivity of the impersonal brahmajyoti (compared to spiritual suicide) after being frustrated with the material world's temporary bodily vessels and the painful repeated cycle of birth and death.

Becoming inactive or dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti means the jiva-souls artificially appear there as a bodiless  spiritual spark which is also a further fallen unnatural conditioned state of the individual jiva-soul.

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is an unnatural artificial condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form in their eternal natural state or original position serving Krsna the Supreme Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated, the living entities first falling down to this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna cconsciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a "spiritual spark" is the unnatural artificial condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form associating with Krsna in His eternal pastimes. The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's spiritual Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

As said above, appearing in that fallen condition as a bodiless artificial form (spiritual spark) is the unnatural appearance and condition of the individual jiva-soul, who in their full potential, is a spiritual bodily form (PERSON) originally like Krsna's form. 

Therefore, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul's form is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The spirit soul has got form but with our material eyes we foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "Man is made after the shape of God, so God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service and one’s bodily position there is voluntary, if some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything because it is voluntary." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

The original eternal home and position of the individual jiva-souls, is NOT some nonsense inactive impersonal formless bodiless artifical "spark" in the brahmajyoti or brahman (a temporary condition or appearance the individual jiva-souls can fall down too) as the impersonalists and mayavadis believe, nor do the individual jiva-souls originate from tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu, who is the creator of the temporary material world.

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to, Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant bodiless) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, a natural bodily form, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal bodiless stage. The jiva-soul wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara dasa - "Does the jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is spirit, spiritual identity already. But as we are developing material body, similarly we can revive spiritual body."

Revatīnandana dasa - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Aug 17, 1971, London UK)

As said above, the original form of the jiva-souls is a "two-arms, two-leg" form like Krsna, and their original (eternal) home is either in the Vaikuntha planets or with Krsna and Caitanya Mahāprabhu on Goloka Vrindavana.

Only when the individual jiva-souls voluntarily choose to leave Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the Vaikuntha planets, do they manifest a four armed form like Lord Visnus or Lord Narayana but also can appear in unlimited other forms their too. 

There are unlimited different perpetual personal Vaikuntha planets that take up 3/4 of the spiritual sky, along with Krsna's central Abode of Goloka-Vrindavana, each Vaikuntha planet have their own Visnu form, each with a unique name that describes the pastimes on their particular Vaikuntha planet. 

Visnu/Narayana Forms are all expansion of Krsna via Krsna's first expansion, Krsna's older brother Balarama.

Also, surrender to Krsna does not mean you "surrender" your intelligence, your free will and the ability to express yourself as the independent PERSON you are eternally.

These special qualities gives meaning to the jiva-souls existence that allows the jiva-souls to express themselves independently from Krsna, yet simultaneously be always fully dependent on Krsna unconditionally.

Such personal voluntary service deepens one's loving reciprocation with Krsna with variegatedness and personal exchanges that enhances, enriches and forever continues to add flavour to one's unique relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Loving exchanges, cooperation, reciprocation and voluntary expressions, expressed as a variety of services that come through the individual jiva-soul's unique independent personality.

Voluntary expressions must be there so voluntary contributions happen within one's relationship with Krsna, by serving Him in a "two-way" exchange that makes the relationship personal, caring and genuine.

Loving feelings, emotions and personal unique expressions of voluntary service towards Krsna can only exist in a "two-sided" exchange, where the individual jiva-souls are able to voluntarily add to their relationship and friendship with Krsna.

In other words, loving devotional service and reciprocation can only exist when "voluntarily" expressed in a "two-way" exchange, where the individual jiva-soul's unique contributions adds to one's personal relationship with Krsna, that can only be expressed and forever grow and expand by having "free will." This is why the Spiritual Sky is always expanding

Having the "free will" to voluntarily contribute to one's relationship with Krsna, allows the jiva-souls to participate in selflessly serving Krsna by contributing to the relationship in their own unique way, and not allow any so called "God" to impersonally control one's every thought, actions and deeds (offerings) like a puppet master controls and manipulates his puppets.

In the spiritual world, one can never be influenced by maya or material energy because maya and the material energy do not exist there.

Including material desires that also do not exist there. However, free will always exists on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana.  

Devotee - "Is our desires that are not centred around Krsna the cause of fall down, which is the misuse of our free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

BOOK - 1983 "corrected" edition of Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad Gita As It Is. >^×÷^<

Vyasa puja offering to my eternal spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada 2024.

I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.

Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvatî Gosvâmî. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanya deva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.

Sri Krsna Caitanya, Prabhu Nityananda, Sri Advaita, Gadadhara, Srivas adi gaura bhakta vrinda.

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.

Thank you Srila Prabhupada for showing us over the years, that we are all Krsna's eternal contributing servants in our full spiritual potential. 

The following offering to you are my personal realizations inspired by your wonderful writings and lectures.

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have their our own unique individual identity, personality and spiritual bodily form that is beginningless and endless like Krsna, as confirmed in Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Surrender to Krsna does not mean extinguishing your identity, individuality, personality and unique self-expression which means choosing to offer your own personal contributions to please Krsna in a "two-sided" exchange.

To deny such personal contributions only leaves an impersonal mindless unproductive surrender, making the individual jiva-soul no better than dead stone. 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are independent unique individuals who can voluntarily choose to contribute in their own unique way in their service to Krsna. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world service is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, Visnu and Krsna only expect voluntary personal offerings from the individual jiva-souls because such willing service initiates loving reciprocal exchanges between the Lord and His devotees in a "two-sided" loving exchange. 

Therefore the unique eternal quality of free will allows individual acts of self-expression that leads to personal offerings and reciprocal loving cooperation.

Real love or voluntary service is based on a "two-way" exchange where the student Vaisnava is carefully nurtured to eventually achieve the personal goal of voluntary loving contributions that are the foundations of pure devotional service.

Such loving exchanges can only be fully expressed when the individual jiva-souls realize they each have their own independent characteristics and unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, endorsed by free will. 

Without free will, one would never have the vision to intelligently contribute in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa in their own unique way, that increases and expands one's awareness of who they are as a contributing independent individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul). 

Having "free will" therefore is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity (jiva-soul)," and the foundation for all jiva-souls in their relationship with Krsna.

Loving devotional service is only possible when based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering mood that do not encourage personal voluntary contributions, is dangerous impersonalism and slavery.

Personalism is only possible in a "two-way" exchange of feelings and emotions that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love that is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

The eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna however, they always have their freedom (self expression) and independence to be the contributing individual they eternally are, otherwise the individual jiva-souls are no better than impersonal puppets controlled by a dictatorial puppet master.

Therefore, the eternal jiva-soul's independent personality, identity and free will allows diversity, independent self expression and personal offerings 

In other words, Kṛṣṇa always allows the individual jiva-souls to make their own contributions or offerings, and even allows them to reject Krsna if they choose, otherwise free will would have no meaning.

All these conditions must be allowed to exist otherwise loving exchanges with Krsna can never exist.

Krsna will always allow a separate existence for His marginal living entities (jiva-souls) endorsed by having free will. This allows them to have their own unique personality for the purpose of creating a "two-way" voluntary exchange of individual loving expressions with Krsna that encourage unique contributions and personal offerings.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls to independently express themselves separately from Krsna and gives them their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls to be personally responsibility for their choices and actions, it gives them purpose, creativity, hope, identity, a unique stand alone personality and allows personal contributions of self-expression that makes the individual jiva-souls the independent persons they are eternally. 

These qualities establish the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) as independent persons as an eternal spiritual bodily form whose eternal home are the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana within Krsna's eternal endless pastimes. 

In the spiritual world personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges expressed through free will, are always encouraged by Krsna in His eternal relationship with the jiva-souls, this adds variegatedness, flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the individual jiva-souls and Krsna.

The Kingdom of God therefore, is not a "one-sided" dominating impersonal domain devoid of free will (freedom of expression), that does not allow personal independent contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich, flavour and add mystery to the relationship.

Genuine loving relations and service are always based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, not just one! The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! The individual jiva-souĺs have their voluntary choices of service too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot ever fall down, that is not independence. That is force."(Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in their own way in a "two-sided" affair. In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way street" between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

Loving relationships can never be experienced or realized by just one alone, there must be two involved in a "two-way" reciprocal exhange as explained above. Loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows. The impersonalists can never experience loving exchanges. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No, love means two, there must be two." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Love means a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Again, thank Srila Prabhupada for your wonderful guidance.

Your fallen yet inspired servant Gauragopala Dasa (initiated 10th July 1972)<>