The individual jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is always based on free will that allows a variety of unique creative voluntary offerings of service to Krsna.
Only then can genuine loving exchanges exist.
Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Love means "two-persons," I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, then these things must be there.” (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)
The individual jiva-souls in their full potential on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever positively re-inventing themselves by always choosing how to increase their variety of devotional voluntary service to Krsna.
This is achieved by forever positively inventing ways of expanding their individual expression of personal offerings and affection to Krsna in their unique perpetual relationship with Him.
Such a relationship is never impersonal, one-sided or one-way because Krsna always reciprocates with such genuine loving affection with His devotees in “two-way” loving exchange.
Srila Prabhupada – “Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!” (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Real love (service) is voluntary and can never exist on a “one-way" impersonal path because love can only exists when "two" are involved in voluntary reciprocal contributing loving exchanges.
Surrender to Krsna does not mean eliminating your individual identity and denying self-expression through free will, such a mindless "one-sided" existence only allows a none-contributing stagnant loveless impersonal version of so called surrender to Krsna (God)
This kind of mindless (emotionless) so called surrender only extinguishes the jiva-soul's independent spirit of self expression, individuality, free-will and their ability to voluntary contribute and provide individual offerings to Radha and Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada – “The impersonalist philosophy is oneness so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant.” (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada – “Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation.” (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)
From personal voluntarily self chosen contributions offered by the individual jiva-souls that are different from Krsna's shower of loving affection, makes the relationship with Krsna a two-way mystery of exchanges that only further enriches, intensifies and expands loving exchanges and affection between the jiva-souls and Krsna.
Such personal unique contributions from the jiva-soul's independent expressions coming from their free will, forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of loving reciprocation.
Genuine loving exchanges or service is always a "two-way" street, it is never a "one-way" or a one-sided affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutal loving respectful exchanges between two, is not love at all, it is cold impersonalism.
Loving service can only really again exist when the conditioned jīva-souls in the material world in the rare human form of life are trained up by the Spiritual Master to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotees, where they can again express the full potential of their constitutional right as a marginal living entity (jiva-soul) who reciprocates fully with Kṛṣṇa in a two-way relationship loving exchanges in the spiritual world.
Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in its natural two-way relationship based on reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.
The jiva-souls in their original position in their home in the spiritual world, have the same bodily features Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.
1 - Sat - eternal
2 - Cit - have all knowledge
3 - Ananda - always blissful
4 - Vigraha – have an eternal spiritual bodily form with no beginning point, and will never cease to be.
The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsnas.
Devotee – “Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs.”
Hari-sauri dasa – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”
Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]: “Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul.”
Hari-sauri dasa – “They are covered in the spiritual world?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact.” (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
A relationship between two can only experience loving exchanges because there must be two to experience love, love can never be experienced with just one as said above by Prabhupada. This is why Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) in the first place, so they can voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Krsna in a two-way exchange.
The full expression or potential of the individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual world (The Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) where they can voice their free will in full through voluntary acts of self expression, and not while restricted in a decaying material bodily vessel in the temporary material world.
Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa is enriched and further enhanced by the jīva-soul’s personal unique loving voluntary contributions of unique service Prabhupāda taught us.
This means the relationship with Kṛṣṇa is not impersonal in anyway, it is never a one-way or one-sided forceful mindless dictatorship where voluntary contributions are denied.
As said above, a two-way relationship based on voluntary offering of services, is the only way to increase, enrich and magnify the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls in a meaningful exchange of positive feelings and emotions.
Kṛṣṇa gave the individual jīva-souls their freedom (free will) for this purpose for establishing a two-way voluntary relationship, just so they can express their personal unique loving feelings too, experienced differently from Krsna by each individual jīva-soul in their unique relationship with Krsna.
The fact is, real freedom, or experiencing the full potential of one's unique independent personality, is only fully experienced in Goloka Vṛndāvana and on the Vaikuṇṭha planets, where no jiva-soul is forced to do anything in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana they do not choose to do because all service on the spiritual planets are voluntary and never forced or demanded.
The reason why the spiritual worlds are like this, is all loving relationship with Kṛṣṇa are never founded on Him forcing His demands of obedience or even viewpoints on the individual jiva-souls. The jiva-souls must voluntary choose for themselves only then can loving exchanges and mutual respect exist between Krsna and His devotees.
A relationship where a devotee is always told what to do, how to think and how to act, and to only just obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings) and intelligent inquiry, only makes the jiva-souls no better than dead stone and is impersonalism.
Srila Prabhupada – “If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life.” (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
The fact is, this kind of mindless impersonal emotionless none contributing surrender to a so called God or Spiritual Master or teacher, without being encouraged to voluntary contribute in one’s own personal unique way is dangerous impersonal bogus mentality.
The individual jiva-souls must be encouraged and nurtured to only participate in a "two-way" reciprocal relationship of respectful exchanges, where the devotee is always encouraged by the bonafide spiritual teacher to come to the platform of voluntary personal contributions.
Mindless surrender in a “one-sided” loveless dictatorship is nonsense impersonalism and dangerous.
Such impersonal dominant relationships, where the individual jīva-soul’s personality and character are artificially restricted and suppressed by always being told what to do without personal input, and not being allowed to think for themselves, only extinguishes the jiva-soul's spiritual identity, individuality, self expression and personality.
Such Mayavadi teachings of attempting to extinguish "free will" in the name of surrender is spiritual suicide!!
Under such impersonal conditions of being denied the spiritual right of self determination, the individual jiva-soul's natural constitution of self-expression, that allows them to choose for themselves what to contribute or offer to Kṛṣṇa, is replaced by a one-way emotionless forceful demands of being told what to do, what to offer and how to think.
No, the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are NOT loveless, mindless and impersonal like that.
Srila Prabhupada – “We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love.” (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada – “With the (impersonalist) philosophy of oneness, how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa, is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Love or genuine selfless service is based on a "two-way" exchange of feelings, this means each jīva-soul can provide their own individual contributions of personal offerings as an expression of their own independent individuality and free will.
Śrīla Prabhupāda – “Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)
Srila Prabhupāda – “Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there.” (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)
Srila Prabhupada - “Also free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will.”
Hayagriva dasa – “A man may know better but still act wrongly.”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will.” (Excerpt: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Only the spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (75% of the Spiritual Sky) are not effected by impermanence or the passing of time (past, present and future).
This is because in the spiritual world only "the eternal presence of Krsna's pastimes exists there. That is why there is no birth, disease, old age, death or decay in the spiritual world because there in no concept of time which means everything there is ever fresh.
The individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world never experience the decomposition or decay of the temporary material world which takes up 25% of the Spiritual Sky.
The eternal individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless meaning they were never created, the jiva-souls are just as old as Krsna is as Chapter Two of Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains-
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O best among men [Arjuna], the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation." (BG, Ch 2 text 15)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata." (BG, Ch 2 text 18)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "If, however, you think that the soul [or the symptoms of life] is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty armed." (BG, Ch 2 text 26)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament." (BG, Ch 2 text 27)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (BG, Ch 2 text 28)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970).=×=
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