Every material bodily vessel in the material creation must be first "hired" from Maha-Visnu who dreams them all, along with their material surroundings who owns everything in the material world.
Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding, one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966 New York City USA)
Each individual jiva-soul in the spiritual world can choose to voluntarily serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways as an unlimited variety of spiritual bodily forms, or even reject Krsna if they choose and enter or return to the impermanent material world of repeated birth and death existing in past, present and future.
In the material world, each material bodily vessel is part and parcel of a universe where past, present and future exist simultaneously.
This movement of material time and space (past, present and future), exist simultaneously together, (also called the Block universe), is the dreaming creation of Maha-Visnu.
Maha-Visnu's material universes (Brahmandas) are all temporary and originate from the dreams of Maha-Visnu known as the mahat-tattva in Vedic texts.
As said above, in the material universe created by the sleeping Maha-Visnu as He dreams, includes all activities of past, present and future that exist simultaneously. In His dreams, every possible material bodily form exists, which is all the 8 million 400 thousand material bodily species that contain life (the individual jiva-souls), are "hired" from Maha-Visnu's library of dreams.
All the temporary material bodily forms in the material world are occupied by the fallen individual jiva-souls who have left their real home in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the spiritual world)
All the material combinations moved by life (the individual jiva-souls) eternally belong to the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
As said above, these temporary material bodily vessels (matter) originating from Maha-Visnu's dreams, are possessed (hired) by the individual jiva-souls who then move with those material vessels like a car moves along a roadway.
Past, present and future all exist together in the dreams of Maha-Visnu,like one travels on a long winding road from its beginning, middle and end.
"Anti-matter" is eternal spiritual individual living units as human bodily form in its full potential however, can voluntarily change this human bodily form in the spiritual world at any time to any bodily form they desire. This is explained in the Vedas and is not the same mundane anti-matter described by modern scientists, which is just another version of matter.
The Srimad Bhagavatam explains there is "lifeless" material energy known as matter that makes up 25% of Krsna's creation. The individual units of spiritual "living" energy, as eternal bodily form, is known as anti-matter that makes up 75% of Krsna's creation known as the spiritual world.
The individual jiva-souls moves through the dreams of Maha-Visnu according to their desires and Karma. The material universe is compared to a roadway one travels on. When this roadway is viewed from above, one can see the roadway, from its beginning point, its middle and its end.
Similarly, the individual jiva-souls are on a roadway where past, present and future also exist together simultaneously. This is the material universe that belongs to Maha-Visnu.
All life (individual units of living anti-matter headed by Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes) originates from the spiritual world known as the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.
This is the individual jiva-souls original home, they never originated from the temporary material world or the inactive impersonal brahmajyoti, or from the Body of Maha-Visnu.
After entering the material creation (matter) due to falling down from the spiritual world of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (anti-matter), the individual jiva-soul then "hires" (possess) a material bodily container (vessel) from Maha-Visnu's dreams as explained by Srila Prabhupada.
The dreams of Maha-Visnu is everything that exists in His material creation, where past, present and future exist together simultaneously as explained above.
The dreams of Maha-Visnu's material universe are a universal library of material bodily vessels and the surrounding geography of land mass, rivers and oceans.
choices made up of an unlimited and endless variety of material bodily vessels.
Maha-Visnu's dreams are vast library that includes every possible senerio, or twist and turn that He knows what the individual jiva-soul's desire.
The material bodily vessels or containers are therefore permanent "posts" in the Maha-Visnu's universal dreams of past, present and future that eternally exist and experienced by an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who fall down from the spiritual world.
The fallen individual jiva-souls must first "hire" a material bodily container from Maha-Visnu's "library of dreams" who is the creator of the material world. Only then can the fallen individual jiva-souls occupy a material bodily vessel in Maha-Visnu's material creation.
The individual jiva-souls "hiring" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu is just like one buys a garment of clothing from a clothing store that matches their mood and desires.
In Maha-Visnu's material world (25% of creation) known as the temporary material energy or mahat-tattva, everything, including all material bodily containers or vessels occupied (hired) by the visiting fallen individual jiva-souls, are extensions of the material creation (matter), including past, present and future. Only the individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) are never part of the material creation which is not their original home. Their eternal home and origin is the for ever fresh and new Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana in the spiritual world
As said above, within Maha-Visnu's material creation, every possible material scenario exists, this allows the individual jiva-souls to have all their desires in the material world forfilled.
In this way, the individual jiva-souls experience their material bodily vessel just like one travels on a already existing roadway, from its beginning point, middle and end, moving through the roadway of past, present and future. This is all happens in-sync with the individual jiva-soul's desires that simultaneously co-exist with the dreams of Maha-Visnu.
The fallen individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) who are originally from the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (also anti-matter), have to possess a material bodily container (an outward material vessel) that allows them to experience the temporary material world.
All material bodily vessels are always available for "hire" to the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material world. Such material bodily vessels are continuously (repeatable) available to all visiting individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the temporary decaying material world.
The real home of the individual jiva-souls is always in either the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka-Vrindavana and not the temporary mundane material world, or merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti or the atom.
From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present and future all exist simultaneously, and is always there as a permanent pathway known as the block universe where unlimited individual jiva-souls are continuously moving through like film images move through a roll of film.
Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream, actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-
“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the individual jiva-soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)
Srila Prabhupada – “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Srila Prabhupada – "Our contact with matter is just like dream, actually we are not fallen, therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)
Srila Prabhupada – "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)
Each material bodily pathway (bodily vessel) that the visiting individual jiva-soul travels in, comes from the already dreamed dreams of Maha-Visnu.
Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul unfortunately misuses this God-given minute free will and falls into the dark well of nescience and illusion (the material world). Once the individual jiva-soul takes shelter of māyā, the illusory material energy, he develops the material qualities of goodness, passion, and ignorance. The individual jiva-soul loses his original characteristics and develops a new nature, which is controlled by the three modes of material nature, and this continues until such time as he transcends them. His actions are prompted accordingly.
If it happened in any other way, then material variegatedness would not be visible in this phenomenal world. So, if a person fails to inform himself about the very subtle laws and workings of material nature, and at the same time he argues that all activities are sanctioned and inspired by the Supreme Lord, then he is reducing the Supreme Lord's position and making Him out to be partial and unjust. The Lord never favors one and discriminates against another. Factually, He advises everyone to give up all material activities, which are by nature unstable and temporary. Because of forgetfulness of God, a man becomes an eternal victim of ignorance, which then colours all his actions." (Renunciation Through Wisdom 1.9)
Within Maha-Visnu's material creation exists every possible "dream" to fulfil every desire the visiting individual jiva-souls have, every scenario they can come up with is eternally existing in Maha-Visnu's dreams.
This means the individual jiva-soul's ability to express "free will" is already factored into the equation of the destiny of each material bodily vessel that is part of the "block material universe."
Bhagavad-gītā As It Is - "O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place." (BG As It Is, Translation Ch 11 Text 7)
Purport by Srila Prabhupada - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see everything!" (BG As It Is, Purport Ch 11 Text 7)
Only fools masquerading as spiritual teachers claim the individual jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
Srila Prabhupada - "The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are not from the impersonal brahman. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated.
Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness, and is a fallen condition, therefore those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. To remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.
Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
All individual jiva-souls come from either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, the latter being from where they all originated from Prabhupada teaches.
Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down from the spiritual world by misuse of one’s independence (free will)." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25th April 1970)
Being "generated" from the marginal plane does not mean the individual jiva-souls originated or were created from some so called place in the Spiritual Sky, the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some wrongly claim.
There are no new individual jiva-souls ever created as Bhagavad Gita teaches because all individual jiva-souls are eternal and were never created.
The individual jiva-souls are eternal with no beginning or ending, this means the individual jiva-souls did not originate from from anywhere because they have always existed.
Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the individual jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9th July 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha (the spiritual world) some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture BG, Aug 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''These individual jiva-souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha (the spiritual world)." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains the individual jiva-souls have existed for infinity (eternity). This means, just like Krsna, the individual jiva-souls are beginning less and endless, and were never created-
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20, corrected 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the individual jiva-souls were never created meaning they have no origin or ending point. These individual jiva-souls have existed for infinity just like Krsna has existed for eternity.
As Krsna explains-
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)
First of all, being "marginal" means having the choice to be influenced by either the spiritual energy which is the individual jiva-souls nature position and home where their full potential is expressed fully in the spiritual world, or by the material energy (matter) their unnatural restricted conditioned state.
As said repeatedly, the real meaning of "marginal" means the individual jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (living anti-matter), or the material energy (lifeless matter) based on their free will.
There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and are just as old as Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, they are conditioned in the material world as nitya-baddha, when one always remembers Krsna he is liberated in the spiritual world as nitya-siddha." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down from the spiritual world? The individual jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25th April 1970)
The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) can choose to express themselves in a seperate way from Krsna and His Visnu-tattva direct expansions. This means they have their own unique free will separate from Krsna and His direct expansions (both Krsna and His Visnu/Narayana expansions)
All Visnu-tattva (Visnu/Narayana) personalities on the other hand, are Krsna just playing unlimited roles in other ways.
This means that Krsna is also Balarāma (His direct expansion) and Radharani is Krsna's direct expansion. They are both Krsna, but presented in a different moods.
However, this is not surprising because the fact is, we are all Krsna's expansions but in different categories-
1- Krsna
2- Visnu tattva (Visnu/Narayana)
3 - Internal energy which is a collective of individual eternal personalities as spiritual forms headed by Srimati Radharani, known as Visnu-sakti-tattva.
4 - Siva (Siva-tattva)
5 - Individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) who eternally experience independent thinking and actions from Krsna's absolute control due to being given an independent unique personality, spiritual bodily form and free will.
So everything is Kṛṣṇa's expansions because He is the proprietor of all that their is.
Lord Siva is neither Krsna, Visnu-tattva or jiva-tattva (individual jiva-souls) he is in a league of his own difficult to understand but ultimately he is also Krsna like all other living entities.
Nanda and mother Yasoda are the eternal father and mother of Krsna. This means that whenever Krsna descends, Nanda and Yasoda, as well as Vasudeva and Devaki, also descend as the Lord's father and mother. In actual fact, their personalities are direct expansions of Krsna's personal body explained in Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 10 Ch 8 text 48.
The "marginal potency or energy" is an unlimited collective of individual jiva-souls as bodily spiritual forms who were never created meaning they have no origin, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains Chapter 12 explains.
Many have misunderstood these facts about what "marginal" really means. It is not some place in outer space where the individual jiva-souls are generated or originate from, no, that is incorrect because the individual jiva-souls have no origin because they have always existed just like Krsna has.
Being “generated” from the marginal plane does not mean the individual jiva-souls where created, or originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti, tatastha-sakti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as many scholars and big devotees wrongly claim.
As said above, found in chapter 2 of Bhagavad Gita As It Is, the individual jiva-souls are eternal without out any beginning, or end. Like Krsna, the individual jiva-souls have always existed meaning they were never created or cease to exist.
As clearly explained above, the individual jiva-souls, being marginal, means they are in-between the influence of spirit and matter, and can choose either side at anytime.
This means they can choose "one side or the other" because the individual jiva-souls eternal have free will.
They can choose the spiritual side, which is the individual jiva-soul's nature home and position as their full potential, or the material side, their unnatural material conditioned state in the material world.
So, the real meaning of marginal means the individual jiva-souls can choose to be with the spiritual energy known as the spiritual world of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, or with the material energy known as the temporary material world, based on their free will.
The individual jiva-souls, who naturally belong in the spiritual energy (Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets) as individual spiritual persons with Krsna and Viṣṇu, are eternally called the marginal living entities because they are influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy explained as follows by Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada – "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the individual jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the individual jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious unnatural condition struggle for existence. And when the individual jiva-soul is under spiritual energy (anti-matter), that is their original natural position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy always, we (the individual jiva-souls) are marginal energy which means sometimes under the internal energy (spiritual), and sometimes under the external energy (material). When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "We (the individual jiva-souls) are marginal energy, marginal means sometimes internal (in the spiritual world), sometimes external (in the temporary material world). When we are under the internal energy (anti-matter), that is our normal natural life, and when we are under the external energy (matter), that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (individual jiva-soul); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy (spiritual world). Being in the external energy (material energy) is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy known as Maya, is also one of the multi-potencies of the Lord, as much as we (the individual jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities (individual jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy (material energy), it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (individual jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity (individual jiva-soul)." (The Happening Album, New York City, Dec 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (individual jiva-soul). Marginal energy means you (the individual jiva-soul) may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or you may be under the control of material energy, this is the marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy (matter), that is your precarious condition (dangerous falling down), struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG, As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
Srila Prabhupada – "The individual jiva-souls are known as Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy (matter) is not permanent and always in a state of decay. The internal energy (anti-matter) of Krsna is permanent, eternally youthful, never decays and is unchanging. This means the spiritual world is permanent and so are the individual jiva-souls as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Adapted from Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 4 Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20, corrected 1983 edition).//=//.
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