Tuesday, January 4, 2022

What is Visnu-sakti-tattva?

Srila Prabhupada explains the meaning of Visnu-sakti-tattva-

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Visnu-tattva, Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva, jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 2 text 7, Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975) 

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva, (Balarama,  Visnu, Narayana, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu etc.

2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva, Srimati Radharani and Here unlimited associates know as the internal potency

3 - jīva-tattva, the individual jiva-souls who experience a independent existence from Krsna, and have their own individual identity, personality, character,  desires and free will separate from Krsna's Personality.

There is also another sakti energy of Krsna who is in a league of his own and that is Siva-tattva (Lord Siva).

Śakti-tattva means the energy of God and refers to many different categories of living entities. 

However, when putting Viṣṇu in front of sakti, like Visnu-"sakti"-tattva, it then refers to the direct expansions of Krsna  whereas sakti can also refer to the individual jiva-souls.

Krsna has many different energies called sakti. The jiva-souls are one, Matter is one, the consort expansions like Srimati Radharani are one.

Srila Prabhupada - "Sakti or shakti means the "energy of Krsna." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43, Purport)

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are parts and parcels of Krsna and are also the sakti energy of Krsna, along with other categories of living entities known as Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva expansions mentioned above.

However, the jiva-souls are NOT on the same level as Krsna's direct expansions known as Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva. 

Visnu-"sakti"-tattva is represented by Srimati Radharani or Krsna's internal potency.

"Sakti" as Visnu-"sakti"-tattva individuals refers to Krsna's direct expansions within His internal potency.^^.











Srila Prabhupada – "There is NO new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Krsna NEVER interferes with the jiva-soul's "free will", even when they choose to reject Him.

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

It is NOT Maya and her material energy causing the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana that forces the jiva-soul to leave Krsna, Maya's temptation and material energy do NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however,  free will does exist there.

There is no material cause for our fall down from Vaikuntha to the material creation however, what DOES exist eternally in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, and is mostly the real cause of our fall down, is "free will", or the ability to make one's own choices of "this side or that side".

Krsna NEVER interferes with the jiva-soul's "free will", even when they choose to reject Him.

To follow Krsna or not follow Krsna is based on "choice" or "free will".

Without "free will", then genuine loving exchanges in a "two-way" direction based on reciprocation and voluntary contributions or offerings, can NEVER exist.

Freedom and free will means having the choice to accept or reject Krsna.

Real loving exchanges and cooperation can never exist if this was not the standard.

Those scholars who make the ridiculous claim "not even the leaves can fall down from Vaikuntha" are not understanding the concept of "free will" and the "two-way" reciprocal relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

The Spiritual Planets are NOT a "one-way" impersonal totalitarian dictatorship.

The fact is one's position in the Spiritual Planets can NEVER be claimed to be eternally permanent there.

This is because there is ALWAYS free will in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This means at any time the jiva-soul can leave if they choose to do so at any time.

Many Vaisnava's in other Sangas claim the jiva-soul can never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana once there, no, this idea is incorrect because the jiva-souls CAN leave anytime they want due to free will, but it is a fact that most NEVER fall down (over 90%)

It is the choice of the jiva-souls too, NOT just Krsna's command and total domination over the jiva-souls that He would NEVER force on the jiva-souls anyway.

Therefore the jiva-souls CAN fall down from Vaikuntha at anytime they choose, not because of Maya or any material cause as explained above, but because they have their "free will", or the ability to make their own decisions.

Maya and material nature cannot exist in Vaikuntha and therefore is NOT the cause of fall down.

But the ability to choose DOES exist in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

However, once in the material creation "free will" is greatly restricted and almost does not exist.

Only in the human species does free will exist, all other species act according to the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and depending.

Therefore, in the lower species, good or bad karma is NOT created.

In fact good or bad karma is not created in the hellish or heavenly planets either, one who is there simply burns off their pious and impious bank balance accumulated while in a human material body on this Earth.

Only Visnu tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva direct expansions of Krsna (All are just playing different rolls in Vaikuntha, Goloka Vrindavan or their management of the material creation) never fall down because they ARE Krsna.

What is Visnu-sakti-tattva? 

Srila Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways:

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva,

2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva

3 - jīva-tattva,

like that". (Lecture on SB 6.2.7 -- Vrndavana, September 10, 1975)

Krsna has many different energies called sakti. The jiva-souls are one, Matter is one, the consort expansions of the Lord are one.

Srila Prabhupada - "Sakti or shakti means the "energy of Krsna."(Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 6 text 43, Purport)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are parts and parcels of Krsna and are also the sakti energy of Krsna, along with other categories of living entities known as Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu sakti-tattva expansions of Krsna.

However, the jiva-tattva souls are NOT on the same level as Krsna's direct expansions known as Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva. 

Visnu-"SAKTI"-tattva is represented by Srimati Radharani Krsna's internal potency.

"Sakti" as "Visnu-sakti-tattva" individuals refers to Krsna's direct expansions where as "sakti" alone can refer to the "jiva-souls" 

On the other hand, all jiva-souls (marginal living entities) CAN leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana anytime they desire as explained above because they have the quality of free will as part of their marginal constitution.

If they had no choice to choose between serving  Krsna and doing their own thing in the material creation, then without that choice of using one's free will, then how can there be genuine love?

Krsna does NOT force the living entity (jiva-soul) to love Him.

Sadly, many devotees, Gurus  and sannyasis in other Sangas cannot get their head around this fact that one CAN leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana anytime they want.

It is NOT true that once in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, the jiva soul remains there forever.

No one, not even Krsna, can promise one will eternally stay in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana and will NEVER fall down.

Frankly that choice is NOT only Krsnas, it is also the jiva-souls choice, and they can change their minds at ANYTIME because such association is based on a two-way relationship.

Only a fool makes the silly comment that once reaching Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, one will never again fall down to the material creation, such fools do not understand the importance of "free will".

No one knows what each jiva-soul will choose in the future including within the "eternal presence" of Krsna's Abode.

Also, the jiva-souls do not come from any "impersonal origin" either as those same foolish devotees claim.

The fact is, we have ALL come down from our original home on the  Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka Vrindavana long, long, long ago.

Originally all those on the Vaikuntha Planets also came from Goloka Vrindavana.

Years ago in Mayapur, I had big aguments with leaders in other sangas across the river in the 1970s, who claimed we have never been to Vaikuntha which our Srila Prabhupada says is nonsense and that we should avoid their ignorant teachings.

I told them their understanding is incorrect and all marginal living entities (jiva tattva souls) do NOT come from an impersonal "inactive clear sheet of consciousness" they limit to the word tatasta-sakti.

Such an impersonal state of consciousness in NOT our origin as some other Sangas believe.

The fact is ALL jiva-souls have originally come directly from being in Krsna's "personal active pastimes" in Goloka Vrindavana.

I also told them new jiva-souls are NOT created as they foolishly claimed, by quoting Bhagavad Gita As It Is-

"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain". (Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20)

Srila Prabhupada – "There is NO new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?

Srila Prabhupada - “He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me.” But you are rascal; you do not do this”.

Vipina Purandara - “Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that? ”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

By misusing one's free will causes the jiva-soul to live separately from Krsna by entering the material creation.

And this choice has nothing to do with maya or material energy as explained above.

As Prabhupada has explained, it is one's free will that allows the jiva-souls to reject Krsna.

This is because each jiva-soul is an independent individual persons, who can make their own choices, and includes rejecting Krsna if they want that instantly places them in the material creation.

After making that choice, the rebellious jiva-soul is given material bodies by Maha Visnu, both subtle and gross material vessels that covers the anti-material spiritual form.

In the material world the jiva-souls are confined to a gross material bodily vessel that is always in a state of decay and decline, and in need of constant maintenance.

Eventually the jiva-soul, trapped within a decaying material body, is forced to take another gross material body when their present one decomposes and wears out.

Everything in the material creation perishes due to decay caused by the temporary nature of the material creation.

Also once in the material creation, the jiva-soul is on their own path directed by their own pious and impious actions.

This is because they are responsible for their actions good and bad and are punishment or rewarded according.

Therefore karma begins as soon as the jiva-soul leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana.

No jiva-souls originate from the dormant Brahmajyoti or Brahman effulgence, or the Body of Maha-Visnu because as said above, ALL jiva-souls originate from Vaikuntha as Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Although many jiva souls fall to impersonal Brahman or Brahmajyoti AFTER being in the material creation.

However, NEVER did the jiva-tattva souls originate from that impersonal Brahmajyoti Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down’’. (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.”(Original Hare Krsna "Happening record album" New York December 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - 'This material world is created by the dreaming of Mahā-Viṣṇu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation”. (SB 4.29.83 Purport)

Many have an impersonalist idea about what Vaikuntha is like and do not even know it. Only when the living entity desires not to be with Krsna do they enter the material world and realize Maya's existences.

Paramahamsa - “But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return.

Srila Prabhupada - “There is return, that is voluntary. Return there is”.

Paramahamsa - “If we want”.

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.

Paramahamsa - “So we can come to the spiritual world and return?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes”.

Paramahamsa - “Fall down?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Yes. As soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice,” “Yes,” Krsna says, “yes, you go.” Just like nobody is interested in Krsna consciousness. So, they want to enjoy this material world. Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." Just like some of our students, Krsna conscious, sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will, not stereotyped. Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare, nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare. The police is there. Just like the police car was there. We have nothing to do with it. But if you do anything criminal, immediately you will be arrested, under police custody. The maya may be there, but maya captures him who is not a devotee of Krsna. That’s all. Therefore, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te: "Anyone who surrenders unto Me, maya does not interfere anymore."

Paramahamsa - ''So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position''.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course--May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Therefore the jiva-souls are responsible for their choices and actions. And in the material creation free will almost does not exist because one is binded by their own reactions to their pious and impious deeds (karma)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence''. (Letter to Jagadisa Prabhu, 4/25/1970.)

Srila Prabhupada – Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from that are taking microbe bodies? It is not a matter of any particular body. These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities". (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "There is no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence. (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new'' (Letter to Jagadisa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy jiva souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy.” - (Letter to Rayarama, December 2, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - “Every living being has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi-perfection of one’s constitutional position. (Bhagavad-Gita as it is, Introduction)

Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krsna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body". (Germany, June 22, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – “In the Padma Purana, wherein it is said that there are two kinds of spiritual entities; one is called the jiva, and the other is called the Supreme Lord”. (87th Chapter of Krsna Book, Prayers by the Personified Vedas.)

Full conversation in the heading quotes reveals what Prabhupada means when he says less than 10% fall down Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

Dr. John Mize – “Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?

Srila Prabhupada – “No, there are… Majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down”.

Dr. John Mize – “So we’re among the 10%.

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. Or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down”.

Dr. John Mize – “Does Krishna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient”.

Dr. John Mize – “Are more souls falling all the time?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence… Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example: Just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, “Where is the criminal? You are constructing…” Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency”.

Dr. John Mize – “The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes”.

Dr. John Mize – “From where does that tendency come?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Bhagavad Gita as it is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsna Loka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated". (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going". (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Acyutananda - ''So what made the soul take birth in the first place?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''In the first place?''

Acyutananda - ''What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth''.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes. That is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare

nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea, we want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth''. (Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.2--Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Gita, it says, "Once coming there, he never returns."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return''.

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown''. (Morning Walk--February 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura - ''When the marginal living entity has contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha., material rasas (tastes and desires) are perverted reflections of the soul's original spiritual rasas. (Prema-pradipa, p. 83)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France).

Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that?

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?".

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson).×














Sunday, January 2, 2022

All material bodies are provided to the jiva-souls who reject Krsna or Visnu, by Maha-Visnu the creator of the material worlds..

Explaining Maha-Visnu's mysterious material creation is difficult to understand.

The material creation is visited by a minority of jiva-souls whose original home is the spiritual planets and not the material creation.

In Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53 and Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55, is explained that the jiva-soul's original home is with Krsna in either the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana.

We are NOT suppose to be in this material creation, or after becoming frustrated with it, try to escape a painful active existence in the material creation, by attempting to enter the dormant inactive (impersonal) Brahmajyoti.

From Srimad Bhagavatam Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul now trapped in the material creation,

"Do you remember Me!"

Therefore, how can you remember what you never knew? This clearly means we all came from Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha and from there entered the material creation.

The jiva-souls did NOT originate from the inactive Brahmajyoti.

The mysterious workings of Maha-Visnu's material creation works in a way that not even science fiction writers imagine, all material bodily vessels originate from the "dreams" of Maha-Visnu.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who choose to the enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu to get a suitable material bodily vessel (from what He has ALREADY dreamed) that is in sync with what the fallen jiva-souls mistaking desires.

All material bodies are provided to the jiva-souls who reject Krsna and Visnu by Maha-Visnu. 

This includes all material facilities that are also provided by Maha-Visnu to those jiva-souls who can no longer stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana because of their rejection of Krsna or Visnu.

No jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move to His abode and then through His dreams (a material bodily pathway) according to their desires in their journey into the material creation.

There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to the jiva-souls that instantly place them in Maha-Visnu's material creation.

And the jiva-souls (marginal living entities), just like Krsna, were NEVER created and have no origin.

Krsna and the jiva-souls are like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays that cannot exist without each other, therefore Krsna and the jiva-souls have ALWAYS existed and were never created.

Although the REAL home of the jiva-souls is always in either the Vaikuntha Planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central Planet of Goloka Vrindavana and NOT the temporary mundane material creation, or merged inactively (dormant) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material time's past, present and future all exist simultaneously, and is always there as a "permanent pathway" that unlimited jiva-souls are continuously moving through.

Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-

“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4.29.2b)

Srila Prabhupada – “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream.” (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam)

Srila Prabhupada – “Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams.” (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4.29.2b)

The material bodily pathway are where the jiva-souls travel through from past, present to future, from the material bodies start (birth) to its end (death)

Maha-Visnu's material creations always lays. 

This is because each material bodily vessel's pathway is already set in stone from its beginning to its end, this means each material bodily "pathway" that the visiting jiva-soul travels on, comes from the already "dreamed" dreams of Maha-Visnu and can only be lived through and can never be changed therefore, they are set in stone.

The visiting jiva-souls enter the material creation by first "hiring" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams.

Such vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu are a already set in stone from beginning to its end because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed them.

This is why once the jiva-soul has entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams, nothing in that "hired" bodily pathway can be changed.

Each material bodily "hired" vessel is repeatedly available and continuously re-occupied by other visiting jiva-souls who will also choose to enter the temporary material creation.

"Linear-time" is movement from past to present and then to future that is a pathway that moves through the space-time continuum

In other words "linear-time" is where time is seen sequentially, as a series of events that are unfolding along a pathway, from its beginning, middle and end.

Seeing the entire journey on a long winding road all at once, one is able to see where the road began, its middle and its end. This is like seeing ABOVE the movement linear time (past, present and future).

Only Maha-Visnu and rare mystic yogis and devotees can see ABOVE linear time, just like one sees an entire roadway from above in an aircraft, its beginning, middle and end, all at once.

All material bodily vessels are chosen from Maha-Visnu's dreams, from His "library of dreams" chosen by those visiting jiva-soul that simultaneously match and are insync with their own desires

All material bodily vessels are like costumes "hired out" constantly from the Costume shop owner Maha-Visnu to visiting jiva-souls.

All of the jiva-soul's desires, choices and expressions of "free will" are factored in before the jiva-soul is given a particular material bodily vessel to enter the material creation.

However, free will only partially exists in the material creation and only in the human species of life.

Free will does not exist in lower species of life, there is only the urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

Maha-Visnu sees all, beginning, middle and end of all material bodily vessels because He is God and knows past, present and future.

All material bodily vessels are the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

There is always "free will" however, each material body's destiny that the visiting jiva-souls experiences, is already mapped out from the dreams of Maha-Visnu explained above.

And "free will" is factored into the equation in such a way that the free will of each jiva-soul is not affected.

"Free will" always exists in the spiritual worlds that allows the jiva-souls to except or even reject Krsna, by deciding to leave Krsna's association if they choose.

Such freedom MUST be there if love is to truly exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

So from the mistaken desires of the rebellious jiva-soul, that begins when they put their own selfish desires in the centre, instead of first pleasing Krsna, they are "forced" to "hire" a vessel from Maha-Visnu's "Library Of Dreams" that transfers them into a temporary material bodily vessel to enter the material creation in.

This is the beginning of the jiva-soul's fall down to the material creation from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

But such fall downs are very rare, less than 10% of jiva-souls fall down from the spiritual planets.

Rejecting Krsna means the jiva-soul can no longer stay in the spiritual world and is therefore instantaneously transferred out of Vaikuṇṭha or Goloka Vṛndāvana and relocated to the dream bodies of Maha-Visnu (the "hired" pathway of material bodily vessels) material creation.

The jiva-soul already knows and agrees with the entire pathway or journey they have because their "desires" are in sync with the bodily pathway (material bodily vessel) from Maha-Visnu's dreams they will enter.

Within Maha-Visnu's material creation exists every possible "dream" to fulfil every desire the visiting jiva-souls have, every scenario they can come up with is eternally existing in Maha-Visnu's dreams. 

This means the jiva-soul's ability to express "free will" is already factored into the equation of the destiny of the material bodily vessel one has chosen to enter as explained above.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7-

"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place."

Srila Prabhupada  - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING." (Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7)

The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā."

Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand-

1 - What was in the past,
2 - What there shall be in the future,
3 - And what is at present.

4 - ''Five thousand years ago instructions from the great Vedic sages were written down for this degraded age of Kali-yuga. Sages and great devotees back then, could see past, present, and future.

The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.

Tri means three, and kāla means time. As said above time is experienced by three ways-

past,
present,
future.

Material time is limited to past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.

So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present.

Just like in the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says,

"My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained.

Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, "and present." So that is yogic power, one CAN know past, present, and future." (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 12 Chapter 2 Text 1 San Francisco, March 18, 1968)

There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) through material space/time's past, present and future.

We have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 50 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World.

The movement of space/time in the temporary material creation is eternally divided into past, present and future as a roadway that has its beginning point (birth), middle (youth and middle age) and end of the roadway (old age and death), but ONLY while the individual jiva-souls are covered by these material bodily vessels governed by the movement of material time.

"Temporary" means the decaying progression of material nature forced by time's movement of past, present and future with its side effect of birth, youth, middle age, old age and death.

Whereas in the Spiritual Worlds there is only the "permanence" of the "eternal presence" of Krsna where everything is eternally fresh, youthful and never decomposes

In the spiritual planets the jiva-souls ARE their body and no longer possess a material decaying bodily vessel or covering.

All material bodily vessels or bodily containers, are part and parcel of the fabric of material energies space/time that governs the temporary material creation and takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky (matter)

The other 3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent eternally youthful Spiritual Worlds (anti-matter) eternally existing in the "eternal presence" beyond the decaying influence of past, present and future that only exists in the material creation.

In the material creation's bodily vessels, the jiva-souls are there as the passengers who are riding within the material energies fabric of material bodily vessels.

Each material bodily vessel is made of material energy that the jiva-souls (anti-matter) possess.

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are the passengers in the material body made of material energy.

Material energy is "all one", the bodily forms eventually wear out and die and breaks down and merges back into the oneness of material energy. 

Our material bodily vessels are ultimately impersonal dead matter when the body is no longer held together by the presence an individual jiva-soul who possess the material body.

Only the presence of the jiva-soul gives the appearance of life in a material body.

The individual jiva-soul is anti-matter and NOT matter.

1 - "Matter" is lifeless dead energy existing in the material creation.

2 - "Anti-matter" is living individual living entities AS spiritual bodily forms that pervades the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

The jiva-souls ARE "living", whereas the material energy has no life, it is simply dead matter.

All material bodily vessels are given to the jiva-souls by Maha-Visnu (from His dreams) according to their "desires".

And as the embodied jiva-soul continues their journey in the material creation life after life, the accumulation of the reactions from acting out those original desires, creates pious and impious reactions.

But ONLY in a human material body does the jiva-souls create Karma.

There is no Karma (the covered jiva-soul responsible for your actions) in the lower species of life where one acts only on the instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

From the viewpoint of Maha-Visnu and great sages, they see past, present and future in the material creation, all existing simultaneously.

Just like from above one can see the beginning, middle and end of a long winding roadway.

Also with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul) would eventually repeat themselves over the span of an eternity if they stayed in the material creation long enough.

This is because every combination of material elements would be exhausted to the point they would again repeat over an eternity.

If the jiva-soul chooses to remain in the material creation for an almost eternity, they could experience this.

This is possible because the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal.

But what is really going on?

Even though the material energy is temporary and always decays, the material energy itself is eternal, but when material worlds and material bodies decay and are destroyed, the material energy will again eventually reappear as different forms and bodily vessels due the movement of past, present and future.

Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha-Visnu's dreams, still be happening in the universe's "same space" but happening in a different "time", with another individual jiva-soul playing that same part?

The answer is yes, infact that is exactly what's going on.

This is because past, present and future are happening "always" simultaneously and are a permanent fabric of the material energy.

This means all material bodily vessel are a permanent 'fixture' in material nature, like a roadway is in a city.

in other words, many jiva-souls travel on that same roadway  (in that same material body) and also experience the same journey in the material creation.

Lord Brahma's material body is also a "hired out" position that many different jiva-souls have experience, if they are qualified to enter that material bodily vessel.

All material bodily vessels are "hired" from Maha-Visnu (God)

This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are offered, but only if they deserve it.

To be qualified for any material bodily vessel, one must be trained up and simultaneously have corresponding desires and Karma to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel they deserve, desire, rewarded with or punished with.

Once in the material creation, the jiva-souls will eventually take a material body created by their own karma (past good and bad actions)

It is also seems to some that the material universe of material bodily containers or vessels are repeating itself, except with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels.

Some philosophers like Friedrich Nietzsche call this the "eternal reoccurrence"

But NO, that is NOT what is going on, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence, there is only the permanent roadway of material bodily vessels the jiva-souls are eternally travelling through.

This means EVERYTHING already exists eternally and the jiva-souls just move through those permanent pathways of material energy (dreams of Maha-Visnu).

The material body is NOT the PERSON (the jivat-soul) because the material vessel is made of material elements that a jiva-soul is covered by and travels through.

The jiva-soul IS the real PERSON, and the material bodily vessel is NOT a PERSON, it is the outer material covering of the eternal jiva-soul.

So where are Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin today? But who are Hitler and Stalin really? 

Actually no-one is because the "material body" is not a person it is a material vessel made of material energy the jiva-souls "hire" from Maha-Visnu's dreams as explained above.

In fact as explained above, millions of jiva-souls can experience those bodily pathways of the rich, famous and infamous that are permanent pathways in the fabric of space-time in the material creation by also "hiring" those bodily pathways (vessels) from Maha-Visnu.

As explained, each material bodily pathway (vessel) is the creation of Maha-Visnu coming from His dreams.

The dreams (material bodily vessels) of Maha-Visnu are a permanent fixture of His material energies.

They are all simply material vehicles for the jiva-souls to travel in. This means no jiva-souls are created by, or come from Maha-Visnu.

Unlimited jiva-souls who enter the material creation can "hire" such material bodily pathways (dreams) from Maha-Visnu and also experience that dream in sync with their own desires.

In other words the material body is NOT the PERSON (spiritual bodily form), it is the outer material vessel.

The PERSON within the material body are the jiva-souls.

This means the individual jiva-souls within the material body of Hitler, Stalin, Churchill etc, are the real persons occupying those material bodies, they are NOT those bodies.

The point made here is the jiva-souls are NOT the material bodily vessel they are in, were in, or will be in.

This is a little complicated to understand, but just like one can wear many different suits, similarly the jiva-souls, over millions of life times, "wears" millions of material bodily vessels.

All jiva-souls have had millions of different material bodies based on desires and karma, all material bodily vessels in the material creation the visiting jiva-souls can experience, is based on desire and reactions from ones actions while in human form.

As explained earlier, all material vessels are "hired" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu which means unlimited jiva-souls over time have travelled the many bodily roadways, including the material body the individual jiva-souls are in now.

The important point to understand here is we are NOT the material bodily vessel we are presently in.

And, as explained above, so called "eternal reoccurrence" is NOT what is happening here because like a roadway, the "hired" bodily vessels always exist as the roadway the jiva-souls journey along as a permanent pathway above the movement of past, present and future.

The material energy is an eternal fabric of space-time that perpetually exists as a pathway of material energy (material bodies) where unlimited jiva-souls traverse along as the passengers of those material bodily pathways made from material energy.

This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future in different stages like the different points on roadway are also always exists.

In other words, if one can observe past, present and future of the material energy (meaning the different stages from birth to old age of the material bodily vessel) it would look like a permanent pathway the jiva-souls are passing through continuously like one passes over a road that is permanently there.

Therefore, it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact they are not because they are always there divided into past, present and future.

The jiva-souls enter a permanent pathway in the fabric of material energy which exists eternally.

Everything is temporary in the material creation in a constant state of decay experienced as one moves along the pathway.

This is because of the movement of past, present and future that has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.

In the Spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana, only the "eternal presence" of Krsna exists with no concept of past or future and therefore there is no impermanence or decay there.

This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the eternal Kingdoms of God.

Temporary material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-souls enters as a passenger (covered by).

When these material bodily vessels wears out and decays, they break down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy.

Only the jiva-souls who are no longer covered by material energy, are a perpetual spiritual (anti-matter) bodily form (vigraha) and NEVER decays.

The jiva-souls eternally remains individual PERSONS separate from the mundane material creation, even though covered by decaying material material energy in the form of these material bodily vessels.

Therefore, the material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists ALL at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement material time that Maha-Visnu always sees.

All material bodily vessels (made from material energy) we occupy, are a permanent fixture of the material energy owned by Maha-Visnu.

Such material vessels originate from His dreams of the material universe that are eternally existing through the continuous flow of material space-time as explained above.

All such material bodily vessels exist in Maha-Visnu's "Library Of Material Dreams" and are available to be "hired out" to those jiva-souls who have chosen to visit His material creation after choosing to leave the Spiritual Planets.

It is the constant flow of the material time of past, present and future that is seemingly repeating itself as material bodily vessels but NO, there is NO repetition or eternal reoccurrence going on, there is ONLY the constant movement of jiva-souls travelling through material vessels on a permanent roadway that eternally exists for unlimited jiva-souls to travel through. 

Only by properly understanding the fabric of material time can we see each stage of the journey of past, present and future. In other words, past, present and future are eternally exist together, all at the same time.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.

Keep in mind, the "dreams" of Maha-Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously and being able to see EVERYTHING (past, present and future), he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.

The reason he could see his future was because it was already existing like an entire roadway from its beginning, to its middle and at its end. 

Each dream of Maha-Visnu is always existing like a pathway that the jiva-souls traverse down (as explained above) This means the jiva-souls are traveling through what is already there, what has always existed.

Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, the material bodily vessels we are now in are a 'post' that always exists for jiva-souls to enter and experience.

This means material time and space is permanently recorded and ALWAYS exists. Such are the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.


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This also means we take our next birth in a material bodily vessel that already eternally exists in a past, present and future time zone, where the jiva-soul moves though the stages of past, present and future, experiencing each moment of the "present" now, meaning birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age, death of the material vessel the jiva-soul is "moving through".

That further means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway in its different stages of childhood, youth, middle age, old age etc of that material body, already exists in its time zone because each material bodies time zone is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the Maha-tattva (material creation).

What we are learning here, is all the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are all happening in the "present" which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we only moving through the stages of a past, present and future.  

The dreams (material pathways) of Maha-Visnu are eternal.

The material energy is all one but NOT the life force (jiva-souls) that are individual PERSONS as Prabhupada has taught us.

This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that IS also all the material bodily species are also material energy.

Such philosophy is called impersonalism, their ideas are wrong and dangerous.

So to be clear in the material creation everything in under the movement time (past, present and future) already exists, like a long winding roadway already exists from its beginning to its end.

This means the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, the individual jiva-soul possess and enters, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that material bodily vessel for it's journey.

In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in those material bodily vessels they admire, after being trained up and qualified to take that birth, which in itself would take many, many, many births just for that opportunity to be that famous "material body" for one insignificant life time, similar to Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Bill Gates etc.

What an ignorant selfish waste of time compared to just choosing to return home back to Godhead and be in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, the jiva-soul's REAL home.

If those jiva-souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous wealthy materialistic bodily existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the material heavenly planets.

All material bodily vessels are "POSTS" in the material creation that must be deserved and qualified to experience.

Usually the most pious living entity in each material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifests.

In the same way; we are all awarded with a material bodily vessel according to our past pious and impious activities known as karma.

All individual living entities (jiva-souls) who understand the fabric of space-time, know each jiva-soul is moving along the many stages of the roadway representing past, present and future (also the pathway of each material bodily vessel)

However, from above just like one sees the entire journey of a roadway, one is able to see the beginning, middle and end, all at once of that pathway.

This means "materially" one can see all past, present and future existing together, and its every twist and turn on that roadway.

The explanation in the above essay is correctly suggesting that all material bodily vessels are like "permanent" fixture or pathway (real but temporary) that ETERNALLY exists in the dreams of Maha Visnu.

As said above, this may give the impression of eternal repetition but no, the material universe is in a constant state that is ABOVE the movement of past, present and future that the jiva-souls only experience by moving or flowing through the material energy existence of the fabric of past, present and future.

In other words, moving along the pathway of twists and turns on the  road is compared to the jiva-soul experiencing the birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age and death of the material bodily vessel the jiva-souls are in.

This birth, youth, middle age and death DOES eternally repeat itself, but ONLY because of the material fabric of time (past, present and future), that is continuously existing with the constant flow of visiting jiva-souls passing through it.

In other words, what is seen from above (the entire roadway from beginning, middle and end) is the movement of all material time which are Maha Visnu's dreams all existing simultaneously.

Such dreams (pathways) are always available for lease to those jiva-souls who choose to enter Maha-Visnu's material creation.

This means all past, present and future are ALWAYS existing simultaneously to Maha Visnu and some advanced devotees and yogis.

So clearly there is a constant movement of material "space-time"(past, present and future) on the "permanent" pathway from its beginning, middle and end (birth, disease, old age and death)

This pathway or roadway is always available for others jiva-souls to also traverse the same permanent fixture of the material energy (roadway) and experience the same material body billions of other jiva-souls have passed through (along this pathway).

Modern science cannot understand the material universe in this way where time travel has ALWAYS been possible into the past or into the fu&

This is because the "roadways or pathways" of space-time's "past, present and future" NEVER disappear as explained above, they always exist because they are a permanent fixture within the fabric of the material universe.

The material bodily vessels, pathways or containers we are in/on, are always the property of Maha Visnu's dreams that are leased out to any jiva-soul qualified, but will always remain his property and part and parcel of His dreaming material creation, available for other jiva-souls to also "travel through" to experience their desires found also in Maha Visnu's material creation.

In Maha Visnu's dreams, every scenario conceivable is possible and is ALREADY existing and available for lease to any visiting jiva-souls who qualify from their own desires.

Leasing the material dreams off Maha Visnu are similar to visiting a "costume shop" that is full of many different costumes (material bodily pathways) that the jiva-soul can choose to enter/travel in or possess.

Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation must go to this so called costume shop of material bodily vessels (dress shop) that are all from the dreams of the sleeping Maha Visnu.

And then choose which material bodily vessel they want to enter as an attempt to imitate Krsna and enjoy separate from Krsna.

This is where the jiva-souls are offered a particular material bodily vessel by Maha Visnu according to their material desires, so they can enter into the material creation with a suitable material body that is in accordance with their own material desires.

Maha Visnu always owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel of His material creation that He is dreaming.

Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha Visnu's "library of dreams" and choose a material bodily vessel from His unlimited dreams of all material affairs.

Everything conceivable material bodily vessel or container exists in Maha Visnu's dreams, every scenario is possible as said above, no matter how strange or bizarre it is, ALL realities already exists in the dreams of Maha Visnu.

This means all that there is and all that there will be, every combination of material existence possible, ALREADY exists in His dreams.

It is the material bodily vessels (coming from Maha Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls in all the billions of Brahmanda universes coming from Maha Visnu, must choose from, just like one chooses from a variety of costumes from a Fancy dress store.

Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna, there is a different set of rules here.

The fact is, Arjuna is always with Krsna in innumerable different material universes at one time, and there is only one jiva-soul who is Arjuna.

The individual jiva-soul who surrenders to Krsna, CAN expand or project their consciousness into many different material bodies at the same time and still be just the "one jiva-soul" in all those material bodies.

Advanced yogis can also do this but limited to eight expansions however, for Krsna's eternal associate like Arjuna it is in many, many universes simultaneously.

Yes this is very true as sastra tells us but very rare to understand especially in this degraded age of Kali-yuga.

The fact is the jiva-soul in Arjuna's material bodily vessel is the same "jiva-soul" in all the different Arjunas throughout all the material universes according to Srila Prabhupada.

This is achieved because the "one" individual jiva-soul (Arjuna) expands himself into many different material bodily vessels or containers that are all him in different pastimes with Krsna.

This means no one can become Arjuna because his position is NOT like Brahmas, the jiva-soul of Arjuna is always the the one individual Arjuna no matter where he is with Krsna.

Such a position like Arjuna is very rare.

As said above, yogi can also project his consciousness and be in 8 different material bodies at one time.

But this is NOT the case with every material bodily vessel in the material creation!

Only some rare jiva-souls can possess more than one material bodily vessels at once.

This is NOT the case with the billions of different Lord Brahmas who are each in their small material universe that is deep within the greater Brahmanda universal shell.

In each case each Lord Brahma is occupied by a different individual jiva-soul.

So as said above, in every material bodily vessel of Lord Brahma, there is a different jiva-soul every time Maha-Visnu creates all the billions of Brahmanda universes in the material creation.

All the different Brahmas are NOT the same "jiva-souls", there are billions of different individual jiva-souls who can become a Brahma in all the different material univeses that are deep inside each outer Brahmanda universe that comes from the Body of Maha-Visnu.

There are those who believe the material universe is continuously repeating itself each time Maha-Visnu creates the material Brahmanda universes, but is that true?

Actually, it only "seems" that way because in true reality everything that is, and can be, already exists within the dreams of Maha Visnu.

A dream the jiva-souls lease off Maha Visnu is also a permanent roadway or pathway that many jiva-souls can travel on. 

This means the material universe, including all bodily vessels, are continuously existing with an endless flow of individual jiva-souls possessing those material bodies by passing through them like one passes over a roadway.

Therefore it only seems⁹ the material universe is repeating itself when in actual fact it is complete like travelling on a roadway.

This is also because each material bodily vessel or container eternally exists within the material dreams of Maha Visnu that can be leased out by any visiting jiva-soul who has matching desires that are in sync with Maha-Visnu's dreams.

The dreams of Maha-Visnu gives the visiting jiva-souls the facilities to fulfill their desires.

The fact is such dreams (material bodies) are a permanent "fixture" or PATHWAY of linear time that "always" exists within the dreams of Maha-Visnu so the visiting jiva-souls can travel within and simultaneously have their desires fulfilled while in the mundane temporary material creation.

Remember all these material bodily containers ARE a creation coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu.

In this way all facilities in the material creation come from Maha Visnu.

The jiva-souls by their desires, move through the journey of material existence in a material body on the pathway of birth, youth, middle age, disease, old age and death and then again rebirth if one fails to get out of this temporary material mundane world of repeated birth and death.

Being in a material bodily vessel or container is being on the pathway or road that leads to a one's destination.

All "pathways" (the journey of a material body from the dreams of Maha-Visnu) have always existed as part and parcel of the fabric of material space-time that many other visiting jiva-souls have/can also experienced and continue to move through.

In other words, there is always a flow of jiva-souls experiencing the road journey of material bodily containers or vessels coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu.

This is what is really happening in the material creation instead of eternal repetition or reoccurrence.

Each point along the roadway is eternally there as part of the road that the jiva-soul passes through experienced as linear time.

The pathway of material bodily vessels (Maha-Visnu's dreams) that confine or cover the jiva-souls, are always covered by the fabric of material energy that moves through past, present and future due to space-time where one experiences the effect of time which is birth, youth, disease, old age, and death.

This is the "roadway'' or "pathway" of material existence known as linear time (the movement through past, present and future)

But from OUTSIDE of linear time, rare souls CAN see the entire movement of past, present and future simultaneously, like from above one can view an entire roadway from its beginning to its end.

This process of material existence "seems to repeat itself" over and over but that is not seeing the full picture of the material creation.

It "seems" that the material universes are constantly annihilated and again created by Maha Visnu, but as explained above, that is NOT what is really going on.

Only the movement of past, present and future gives one the view of creation and annihilation. 

Also as explained above, there is no such thing as eternal reoccurrence going on, where the material universe repeats itself, no it is not like that at all.

What is really "constantly" unfolding through the fabric of material energy and time, are permanent pathways made up of past, present and future from Maha Visnu's dreams that are a feature and fixture of each material universe the individual jiva-souls can enter and pass along and through.

The fact is, all material bodily vessels ARE the dreams of Maha-Visnu, and are a permanent fixture or POST in the material universe existing "as dreams" coming from Maha Visnu that the visiting jiva-souls move through, like one moves on a roadway or pathway that ALWAYS remains there for other travellers to pass on/though.

Another way of looking at this-

Just like in society there exists fancy dress shops where one can go and lease out costumes to experience a particular play (material reality).

Similarly in the material creation every material bodily vessel conceivable exists within Maha Visnu's "fancy dress shop of material costumes" (His dreams) that one can lease from Maha Visnu.

All such realities, pathways, bodily vessels all come from Maha-Visnu's dreams and are available to all visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.

Therefore each time the material universe again manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters those pathways of material bodily costumes the jiva-souls wears/and passes through.

In other words, just like the costumes in a fancy dress rental shop, all material bodily vessels in the material universe are provided to all jiva-souls who enter the material creation.

Therefore each material bodily "costume" (vessel) is a permanent "position situated in linear time" coming from Maha Visnu's dreams that provide the material bodily facilities so the jiva-soul experiences birth, youth, disease, old age and death through the movement of time, past, present and future.

All material vessels or costumes always remain the property of Maha Visnu's dreams and are only "leased out" to the visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.

At all times they always remain the property of Maha-Visnu.

The cycle of decay and renewal, birth and death in this temporary material existence continues on eternally, with a continuous flow of individual "jiva-souls" experiencing each material bodily pathway (the dreams of Maha-Visnu)

There is always free will because without "free will" the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone.

As said above, each pathway always remains the same as a "leased" dream from Maha Visnu, where the embodied jiva-soul experiences birth, childhood, disease, old age and death as they move along that pathway in a material bodily vessel.

Each time the jiva-soul, who is now presently confined to this material universe, travels through the movement of past, present and future, it seems to repeats itself with a different batch of jiva-souls who also enter the same pathways of material bodily vessels provided by Maha Visnu's dreams.

This means the material creation created by Maha Visnu, is ALWAYS the exact same material creation, but only seems it is changing because of the movement of material time (past, present and future)

Within each material bodily vessel, exists a different individual jiva-soul playing that part, different from the previous jiva-souls who played that exact same roll in the previous movement of space-time.

The material bodily vessels are a fixed fabric of the material universes past, present and future and there is no repetition going on.

In other words past, present and future, like the beginning, middle and end of a roadway, are eternally existing just like a roadway seen above exists from its beginning, middle and end.

However, the anti-matter "jiva-soul" is NOT the material bodily vessel.

The material bodily vessel is only like a garment covering the jiva-soul who is a passenger in that outer garment or material body.

One's relationship with Krsna is NEVER impersonal, nor did the jiva-souls originate from some nonsense impersonal beginning (impersonal Brahmajyoti)

The word "tatastha-sakti" refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their FALLEN conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The "marginal living entities" ARE a collective of eternal jiva-souls without any beginning point who are spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (both Spiritual Worlds and material worlds)

Those jiva-souls who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later, due to the frustration of material life, enter an inactive dormant state within the Brahmajyoti (the impersonal aspect of Brahman).

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the Personal (Vaikuntha) characteristics" (New York, December 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes". (Room Conversation August 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition". (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha (eternity, knowledge, bliss and FORM.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.

Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.

Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary.

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction.

If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are a collective of an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who are eternal, meaning they have ALWAYS existed but, as said above, they are only called tatastha-sakti while "conditioned" in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti.

As said above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is NO origin of the jiva-souls, they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end.

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the Spiritual Worlds.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God) if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

This is why it is foolish and sad that big big sannyasi and gurus claim once entering the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-souls can never fall down again.

No, they CAN fall down again and again if the jiva-souls choose to do so.

And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will.

The fact is Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God).

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a "two-way" street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976).**.^^.