Krsna is like the Sun-disc and His variety of different expansions are like the sun-rays.

So what are those different categories of expansions?

Krsna's love is expressed with personal intimate exchanges and reciprocation with His different expansions. 

The individual parts and parcels called the marginal energy are individual jiva-souls who all have a unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

Because of this independence, the jiva-souls also have free will that even allows them to reject Krsna if they choose.

Although the love Krsna has for the jiva-souls is far greater than any of them could ever have for Him.

The sun-rays are compared to the individual living entities also called the sakti energy of Krsna however, there are different categories of sakti energy and the jiva-souls are just one of them. 

The sakti-tattva energy of Krsna includes 4 different categories of living entities called- 

1 - Jiva-tattva (marginal living entities or jiva-souls) explained above.

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattva are different devotees that make up the internal energy represented by Srimati Radharani, all are direct expansions of Krsna none different from Krsna. Therefore in these categories of sakti-tattva, they are direct expansions of Krsna and have the added name Visnu put in from of sakti hence Visnu-sakti-tattva. 

3 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva who in a league of his own in-between Viṣṇu-tattva and jiva-tattva)

4 - Visnu-tattva (Narayana and Visnu forms of Krsna existing on all the Vaikuntha Planets, and Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi-Viṣṇu and Paramatma who manage the material creation)

The Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions are one with Krsna, unlike the individual jiva-souls who have their own independence, individuality and personality that is separate from Krsna's Personality.

Who is Visnu-sakti-tattva?

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways:

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva,

2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva

3 - jīva-tattva, like that." (Lecture on SB 6.2.7, Vrndavana, September 10, 1975)

Śakti-tattva is the energy of God and has many categories of living entities in its meaning. 

However, when putting Viṣṇu in front of sakti like Visnu-sakti-tattva it then refers to the direct expansions of Krsna whereas sakti can also refer to the jiva-souls.

In simple terms, the jiva-tattva souls are not Krsna or Visnu (God) they have their own independent existence but at the same time, always dependent on Krsna's energies. 

Siva-tattva is also sakti-tattva but is in a league of his own, he is neither jiva-tattva, Visnu-sakti-tattva or Visnu-tattva.

In actual fact all living entities are sakti-tattva but are divided into four categories of living entities, 

1 - Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls),

2 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva),

3 - Visnu-sakti-tattva (Radharani and internal potency of living entities),

4 - Visnu-tattva (Balarama being the first from who unlimited others expand from.

They are like the sun-rays emanating from the Sun-disc. Krsna is compared to the Sun-disc, and the various categories of living entities are compared to the sun-rays.

Just like sun-rays emanate from the Sun-disc, similarly all the living entities come from Krsna. 

The different categories of Krsna's living entities are-

1 - Visnu-tattvas have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities or 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities. 

Krsna's older brother Balarama is Visnu-tattva and so are all Visnu and Narayana forms of God on each Vaikuntha Planet.

And Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Paramatma in the material creation.

2 - Visnu-sakti-tattvas have 93.75% of Krsna's qualities or also 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

Srimati Radharani and some leading gopis and gopas (Cowherd boys and girls) and other associates and residents of Vrindavan, including many who appear in Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's lila or pastimes on Earth are Visnu-sakti-tattva.

None of these direct expansions of Krsna can ever fall down under the spell of material nature (Maya) because they are Krsna.

This means they are Krsna expressed in a different way according to pastime. 

In other words, Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattvas are Krsna Himself playing another role in His own pastimes.

Many of the living entites are known as both Visnu-sakti-tattvas and Visnu-tattvas in the Spiritual World of Goloka-Vrindavana and the unlimited Vaikuntha planets, and many others are also jiva-tattva souls like us. 

And, as explained above, both Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva can never fall down and forget Krsna because they are the full expansions of Krsna's personality just playing another role in His unlimited pastimes (lilas) in either the Vaikuntha Planets, Goloka Vrindavan, or in the material creation.

Śakti-tattva is the energy of God and has many categories of living entities in its meaning. 

However, when putting Viṣṇu in front of sakti like Visnu-sakti-tattva it then refers to the direct expansions of Krsna whereas sakti can also refer to the jiva-souls.

In other words, all Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva are Krsna in a different forms experiencing His own pastimes.

3 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva) has 84.375% of Krsna's qualities which is 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities.

As said above, Lord Siva is in a league of His own. 

Many scholars believe Hanuman is an incarnation of Siva, but not all. There are many incarnations of Siva however, he can never be Visnu-tattva or Visnu-sakti-tattva. 

Although Siva and a Visnu-tattva form can merge as one which really means a Visnu-tattva form is in the mood of Siva. 

Once Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu adapted the mood of Siva, not that He is Siva. 

This can also be the same for other Visnu-tattva expansions that are tinged with Lord Siva's attributes. 

4 - Jiva-tattvas (jiva-souls) have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, or 50 of His 64 qualities.

The jiva-souls are known as the marginal living entities, they are also Krsna's sakti expansions but not direct full expansions like Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva explansions or a special expansion in a league of their own like Siva-tattva. 

The individual jiva-tattvas or marginal living entities are not Krsna like the above 2 categories of Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva are.

Also Siva is not Visnu-tattva, Visnu sakti-tattva or jiva-tattva. 

The jiva-souls or marginal living entities are independent thinking living entities endowed eternally with the independent self-expression of free will in the spiritual planets, but greatly restricted in the material creation. 

The jiva-souls in their full potential in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, are eternal individual living entities with their own unique personality, individuality and character eternally, they can choose for themselves how to serve Krsna or even reject Krsna if they choose.

The marginal living entities (jiva-tattvas) are also known as the jiva-soul or jivatma, and have their own unique individuality and personality that is independent and separate from Krsna's personality, therefore, they are their own person yet are always fully dependent on Krsna's energies whether in the spiritual or material worlds. 

This is because everything is under His control because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

In this way, all jiva-tattva souls have free will eternally as part of their marginal spiritual make up that allows them to have the ability to choose for themselves in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan as part of their marginal constitution.

This means, as separate thinking living entities, the jiva-soul can choose to be with Krsna or Visnu, or reject the Lord and enter the material creation if they want, such freedom only fully exists in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

In the material creation freedom is almost none existant because as soon as the jiva-soul takes a material bodily vessel, the embodied jiva-soul becomes trapped and entangled under the influence of material nature.

The hash control from material nature includes the animalistic instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending that directs and forces the destiny of all lower species of life.

No karma is created in the lower species of life in the material creation or the heavenly and hellish planetary systems.

There are only the reactions to one's deeds pious or impious, while in the rare human bodily form on this Earth Burloka, can create karma.

In the human form, the embodied jiva-soul must take responsibility for their actions.

Also because material time is divided into past, present and future, each material bodily container experiences birth, youth, disease, middle age, old age and death.

Material time means one's existence is in a constant progression of decline and decomposition, nothing lasts in the material creation, everything eventually fades away in oblivion.

Eventually in the material creation, the trapped jiva-soul becomes frustrated with the temporary nature of material life, and the constant changing of material bodies due to them always being in a state decline and decomposition, causing them to eventually wear out due to this decay, then eventually cease to function.

This leads to rebirth or the cycle of birth and death.

The trapped jiva-soul therefore can choose to escape the material creation and enter the impersonal Brahmajyoti effulgence and hover inactively their in a dormant state for billions of years if they want.

However, merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman as an individual inactive impersonal formless spark, is artificial and only temporary.

Even if one foolishly believes it's for eternity or one's original position, then they are being deceived. 

No, the impersonal Brahmajyoti is not the jiva-soul's original position or source.

The impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is a fallen condition the jiva-souls eventually falls too from their originally position in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, no jiva-soul originates from this nonsense inactive "clear sheet of consciousness" within the impersonal brahman or Brahmajyoti.

They first fall to the material creation and take birth, then after millions of years of being frustrated with the temporary nature of material existence, they can fall further thinking it is liberation by merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti (Brahman effulgence)

Eventually all jiva-souls fall out of the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman effulgence too because it is not permanent, nor is it the jiva-soul's original position or home as already explained. 

The fallen jiva-soul then again takes birth in lower species of material life.

From there, they have to progress within 8 million 4 hundred thousand  species of life, moving through the cycle of birth and death for millions of bodies, taking millions of years, until they again get back to the human species of life.

Only in the human material bodily vessel can the jiva-soul again have the opportunity to realize "their full potential" as a spiritual individual person and form (vigraha) originally from Vaikuntha by living under the guidance and direction of a bonafide Spiritual Master like Srila Prabhupada, who can take the fallen jiva-soul back home, back to Godhead.

Fortunately for most jiva-souls or marginal living entities, over 90%, according to Srila Prabhupada, never make this foolish troublesome choice and enter the mundane decaying material creation of constant suffering and experiencing repeated birth and death.

The following is from the Book "Teachings of Lord Caitanya"-

Srila Prabhupada - "There are forms of Kṛṣṇa that are a little different from His original form, and these are called tad-ekātma-rūpa forms. These may be further divided into the vilāsa and svāṁśa forms, which in turn have many different features and can be divided into prābhava and vaibhava forms. As far as the vilāsa forms are concerned, there are innumerable prābhava vilāsas, headed by Kṛṣṇa's expansions as-

Vāsudeva, 

Saṅkarṣaṇa, 

Pradyumna,

Aniruddha.

Sometimes the Lord thinks of Himself as a cowherd boy, and sometimes He thinks of Himself as Vasudeva's son, a kṣatriya prince, and this thinking of Kṛṣṇa is called His pastimes. 

Actually, Krsna is in the same form in His vaibhava-prakāśa and prābhava-vilāsa, but He appears differently as Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma."(Teachings of Lord Caitanya)

The percentage of Krsna's 64 qualities His other expansions have-

Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 93.75%

Siva-tattva (Lord Siva) has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 84.375%

Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) have 50 out of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 78.125% 

Lord Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Krsna is the original Form of God from whom all His Visnu and Narayana forms expand from, each with their own unique name based on pastime.

This means the only difference between Srimati Radharani and Krsna, and Lord Balarama and Krsna, is Lord Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and original cause of all causes, and has an extra 4 qualities more than both Radharani and Balarama (His Visnu-tattva and Visnu sakti-tattva expansions).

Therefore, not even Srimati Radharani or Balarama (Krsna's older brother) always have the 64 qualities in full like Krsna does, they have only 60 qualities in full which is 93.75% of Krsna's 64 qualities that is 100% but can partially exhibit those 4 extra qualities on various occasions.

Lord Krsna has 64 qualities or 100% of because He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.  

Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva have 60 qualities or 93.75%.

Siva-tattva (Lord Siva) has 55 qualities which is 84.375%.

Jiva-tattva (the jiva-souls) have 50 of Krsna's qualities which is 78.125%^.^.^.

Krsna and Balarama in Dvaraka

Once while Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma were living peacefully in Their great city of Dvārakā, there was the rare occasion of a full solar eclipse, such as takes place at the end of every kalpa, or day of Brahmā. 

At the end of every kalpa the sun is covered by a great cloud, and incessant rain covers the lower planetary systems up to Svargaloka. 

By astronomical calculation, people were informed about this great eclipse prior to its taking place, and therefore everyone, both men and women, decided to assemble at the holy place in Kurukṣetra known as Samanta-pañcaka.

The Samanta-pañcaka pilgrimage site is celebrated because Lord Paraśurāma performed great sacrifices there after having killed all the kṣatriyas in the world twenty-one times. 

Lord Paraśurāma killed all the kṣatriyas, and their accumulated blood flowed like a stream. He dug five big lakes at Samanta-pañcaka and filled them with this blood. 

Lord Paraśurāma is Viṣṇu-tattva, Krsna's expansion. As stated in the Īśopaniṣad, Viṣṇu-tattva cannot be contaminated by any sinful activity. Yet although Lord Paraśurāma is fully powerful and uncontaminated, in order to exhibit ideal character, He performed great sacrifices at Samanta-pañcaka to atone for His so-called sinful killing of the kṣatriyas. 

By His example, Lord Paraśurāma established that the killing art, although sometimes necessary, is not good. He considered Himself culpable for the sinful killing of the kṣatriyas; therefore, how much more are we culpable for such abominable unsanctioned acts? 

Thus, killing of living entities is prohibited from time immemorial all over the world.

Taking advantage of the occasion of the solar eclipse, all important persons visited the holy place of pilgrimage. Some of the important personalities are mentioned as follows. 

Among the elderly persons there were Akrūra, Vasudeva and Ugrasena; among the younger generation there were Gada, Pradyumna, Sāmba, and many other members of the Yadu dynasty who had come there with a view to atone for sinful activities accrued in the course of discharging their respective duties. 

Because almost all the members of the Yadu dynasty went to Kurukṣetra, some important personalities, like Aniruddha, the son of Pradyumna, and Kṛtavarmā, the commander-in-chief of the Yadu dynasty, along with Sucandra, Śuka and Sāraṇa, remained in Dvārakā to protect the city.

All the members of the Yadu dynasty were naturally very beautiful, and yet on this occasion, when they appeared duly decorated with gold necklaces and flower garlands, dressed in valuable clothing and properly armed with their respective weapons, their natural beauty and personalities were a hundred times enhanced. 

The members of the Yadu dynasty came to Kurukṣetra in their gorgeously decorated chariots resembling the airplanes of the demigods, pulled by big horses that moved like the waves of the ocean, and some of them rode on sturdy, stalwart elephants that moved like the clouds in the sky. 

Their wives were carried on beautiful palanquins by beautiful men whose features resembled those of the Vidyādharas. 

The entire assembly looked as beautiful as an assembly of the demigods of heaven.

After arriving in Kurukṣetra, the members of the Yadu dynasty took their baths ceremoniously, with self-control, as enjoined in the śāstras, and they observed fasting for the whole period of the eclipse in order to nullify the reactions of their sinful activities. 

Since it is a Vedic custom to give in charity as much as possible during the hours of the eclipse, the members of the Yadu dynasty distributed many hundreds of cows in charity to the brāhmaṇas. 

All those cows were fully decorated with nice dress and ornaments. The special feature of these cows was that they had golden ankle bells and flower garlands on their necks.

All the members of the Yadu dynasty again took their baths in the lakes created by Lord Paraśurāma. 

After this they sumptuously fed the brāhmaṇas with first-class cooked food, all prepared in butter. 

According to the Vedic system, there are two classes of food. One is called raw food, and the other is called cooked food. Raw food does not include raw vegetables and raw grains, but food boiled in water; whereas cooked food is made in ghee. 

Capatis, dahl, rice and ordinary vegetables are called raw foods, as are fruits and salads. 

But purīs, kacuri, saṅgosas, sweet balls, etc., are called cooked foods. 

All the brāhmaṇas invited on that occasion by the members of the Yadu dynasty were fed sumptuously with cooked food.

The ceremonial functions performed by the members of the Yadu dynasty externally resembled the ritualistic performances performed by the karmīs. 

When a karmī performs some ritualistic ceremony, his ambition is sense gratification--good position, good wife, good house, good children or good wealth; but the ambition of the members of the Yadu dynasty was different. 

Their ambition was to offer perpetual faith and devotion to Kṛṣṇa. 

All the members of the Yadu dynasty were great devotees. As such, after many, many births of accumulated pious activities, they were given the chance to associate with Lord Kṛṣṇa. 

In going to take their baths in the place of pilgrimage at Kurukṣetra or observing the regulative principles during the solar eclipse or feeding the brāhmaṇas in all their activities, they simply thought of devotion to Kṛṣṇa. 

Their ideal worshipable Lord was Kṛṣṇa, and no one else.

After feeding the brāhmaṇas, it is the custom for the host, with their permission, to accept prasādam. Thus, with the permission of the brāhmaṇas, all the members of the Yadu dynasty took lunch. 

Then they selected resting places underneath big, shadowy trees, and when they had taken sufficient rest, they prepared to receive visitors, among whom there were relatives and friends, as well as many subordinate kings and rulers.

From "Krsna Book" by Srila Prabhupada*

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have no life unless they have free will.

Free will can NEVER be "surrendered" because our choices define who we individually are as a contributing devotee of Kṛṣṇa.  

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will, you want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

In Sastra (Scripture), Krsna does promise the jiva-souls that they will never fall from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, and yes, Krsna will always keeps His promise.

However, Krsna's promise that one will never fall down to the material creation once there, is Krsna's promise but do the jiva-souls also have the free will to accept or reject Krsna's promise?

Or does this mean the jiva-souls can never choose for themselves to stay or leave the Spiritual worlds once there?

This promise by Krsna, confirmed in Bhagavad Gita As It Is, explains that once again reaching Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, the jiva-souls will never again fall down to the material world is true for most.

Yes, Srila Prabhupada has explained this is true for most jiva-souls, over 90%, but not all choose to accept Krsna's promise as final because of free will.

In other words, they have a choice too.

Those who quote Bhagavad Gita are right for the majority of jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, but as explained, less than 10% choose to ignore Krsna's promise and leave anyway.

Srila Prabhupada has given us the proper understanding of Krsna's promise in Bhagavad Gita, explaining that regardless of His promise, a small minority of jiva-souls do fall down from the spiritual planets. 

So why do a small minority (less than 10% of jiva-souls) fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana and choose to enter the material creation? 

Because there is always free will which is part and parcel of the jiva-soul's constitutional identity.

Freedom (free will) is never possible on a one-way street that denies one's independence. 

The freedom of the individual jiva-souls is expressed through their unique independent personality, that allows them to always make their own choices. 

Real love can only exist when it is based on reciprocation and loving exhanges between two and can never exist in a one-sided affair.

Therefore, we must not forget the jiva-soul's feelings too, that is why one's relationship with Krsna must always be a two-way exchange of feelings and not just dominated by Krsna including His promises.

The jiva-souls must also have their ability to choose as well, that includes staying in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, or leaving if they choose, otherwise there is no meaning to having free will.

Loving exchanges is activated by reciprocation between two, as said above, it can never exist on a one-way platform. 

Therefore, the destiny of the jiva-souls is not exclusively up to Krsna, the jiva-souls also have a choice as well.

The fact is Krsna will never force the jiva-souls to accept His promise of never again falling down to the material creation if they choose differently.

He can force His will on the jiva-souls if He wants because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and controls everything including the jiva-souls free will.

However, no, Krsna will never interfere with the jiva-soul's free will by forcing them to love Him because He knows by not allowing the jiva-souls to have their freedom, only makes them no better than dead useless stone.

In other words, forcing His will on the jiva-souls will only destroy their independent nature and unique personality, depriving them of experiencing "voluntary" exchanges with Krsna.

The experience of real love means a relationship between two, that includes the free will to even reject Krsna if one chooses.

If Krsna forced the jiva-souls to love and serve Him then how can their be genuine voluntary loving exchanges? 

As Prabhupada explains, love can only exist between two, it is never a one-way street.

By Krsna promising He will never let the jiva-souls fall down to the material creation is actually denying the jiva-souls from expressing their free will of making their own choice of staying or going. 

Taking free will away from the jiva-souls denies them their right of self expression, reply and independent acts of choosing voluntary service to Krsna or ignoring Krsna. 

Sadly, some jiva-souls do eventually choose to leave the spiritual worlds as Prabhupada has explained  but that figure is less than 10%.

And yes, they are entitled to that choice of serving or not serving Krsna because that's what having freedom means.

Krsna therefore will never force His promise on the jiva-souls that once they return to the spiritual worlds, they will never again fall down to the material creation, no, each jiva-soul has to make that choice for themselves.

Otherwise one's free will is violated and there can be no question of loving exchanges if there is no free will.

Ultimately in the end it is the jiva-soul's choice and not just Krsna's Supreme will or demands.

Krsna wants loving voluntary exchanges with His servants who are able to choose for themselves through their own free will to voluntary serve and love Him in their own unique way.

It is a foolish saying that once you are in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, you will never again fall down to the material creation.

Not even the leaves fall down from Vaikuntha is a nonsense impersonal (mindless) comment.

No, that is not Krsna's call, it is also the jiva-soul's choice to remain there as His servant as weĺl or go if they choose.

The relationship between servant and Master is never a "one-way" dominance, it is a perpetual "two-way" relationship based on voluntary reciprocation and loving exchanges.

The conclusion is the promise by Krsna that the jiva-souls will never again fall down into the material world is from His side, but ultimately it is not only Krsna's decision, it is also the jiva-souls choice too as explained above.

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada, why did God give us free will if He knew we would fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone. That is not life". (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one-sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means we have free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence, but don't surrender your intelligence."(Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

This means the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds always "voluntarily express themselves" in their own unique way with personal contributions they choose to offer to Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact."(SB, Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may choose to be a carnation flower while others choose to be a rose flower.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that "I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy." (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the spiritual worlds and have their own unique personality and sense of self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet are simultaneously dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason why Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and free will is so they can choose for themselves how to serve Him in their own unique personal way, or even reject Him if they choose.

This also means the jiva-souls can always contribute their own unique offerings out of unconditional personal love, without the need of any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or service can only exist when free will allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in loving devotional exchanges and contribute to the relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you also give. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything back, then that is simply exploitation." (BG class, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB class, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your free will and allowing Krsna to control all your actions, deeds, words and thoughts.

No, the jiva-souls are not programmed mindless drones who only obey and never contribute in their relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

The jiva-souls actually never lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, or their individual ability of voluntary self-expression of personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-soul.

This means only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did, and never allowed them to have their freedom to make their own voluntary offerings in the spiritual world, then that means loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna can never exists.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is not love, it is slavery which is impersonalism.

The impersonal version of God's Kingdom of Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, where the jiva-souls are forced to surrender their free will to only be told what to do, how to think and how to act is the teachings of a bogus God and spiritual teacher meant control your every thoughts and deeds. 

Such so called surrender is spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava, because such bogus surrender makes the jiva-souls no better than dead useless unproductive mindless stone.

Having genuine free will on the other hand, allows the jiva-souls to be themselves as a contributing person, which means voluntarily being an independent unique servant of Krsna, who can always choose what to offer to Krsna and how to serve Krsna.

Voluntary service is the bases of genuine surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets (the spiritual worlds) which are the permanent eternal home and origin of all the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is never a nonsense one-sided dominating relationship with Krsna Prabhupada explains.

No, Krsna does not control the surrendered jiva-souls by forcing His will on them like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self-expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna does control His pure devotees with love by His service to them. 

Kṛṣṇa serves His devotees more than they could ever serve Him. 

The jiva-souls who choose to allow this, experience deep feelings of loving exchanges and reciprocation out of their unconditional love for Krsna and therefore always want to serve Krsna and be with Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go." All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are son of God you have acquired the quality of your father so God does not interfere with your independence (free will)."(Lecture Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly (sometimes), that means we have free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) never lose their free will because they are eternal as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains-

Krsna says- 

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is "1983 correct edition", Chapter 2 text 20-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20)

The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed for infinity and were NEVER created.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two arm form like Krsna's Bodily Form.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "I want to know exactly what is the form of the spiritual body, if the spirit soul (jiva-soul) is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form. Just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand, you have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore, it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture on BG, Ch 2 text 14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Free will has nothing to do with the material body, free will is a symptom of the eternal jiva-soul.

Free will is the constitutional makeup of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana where nothing material exists, including decaying material bodily vessels.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. Man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Krsna never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even when they choose to reject Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

It is not Maya and her material energy causing the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana that forces the jiva-soul to leave Krsna, Maya's temptation and material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however,  free will does exist there.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Hare Krsna Happening record album New York City Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna? I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (BG, lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana) When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming from the material world to the spiritual world, he never returns there?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return."

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Free will can NEVER be "surrendered" because our choices define who we individually are as a contributing devotee of Kṛṣṇa.  

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right, whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again."

(Discussions with Syamasundara, Henri Bergson)..*.*..

Srila Prabhupada and the Moon?

Srila Prabhupada always maintained they never went to the Moon however, I believe he really meant they never went to the “subtle heavenly reality on the Moon called Chandraloka.”

This technically means there are really two Moons, one subtle and one gross.

This is not properly researched by many ISKCON devotees today as an answer to the Moon controversies and conspiracy theories.

In other words the answer could be explained that there are ”two Moons” in the same space, one we can see and visit in a gross body, and the other, a heavenly realm, we cannot see or enter in a gross material body. 

This is because of its higher dimensional heavenly status.

So let's be clear.

1 – One realm we see in our gross material body,

2 – The other we do not see because it is in a subtle material realm.

So this conclusion is reached because the Moon has two realities, one we can see, the other we can not–

1 – "Subtle" (material reality)

2 – "Gross" (material reality)

We in a gross biological material body cannot see or experience the “subtle heavenly reality on the Moon.” but we can see and experience the “gross matter reality.”

This also answers how man DID go to the Moon.

It is silly that many still believe they never went to the Moon but without a doubt the Apollo missions did happen.

It is foolish to keep denying the fact that we did reach the Moon in our gross material bodily vessel. 

Lets look at the facts in 2022 about these old 1970s Moon landing conspiracy theories claiming, even by Srila Prabhupada, the Moon landings never happened. 

However, as said above, I believe Prabhupada really meant they could never go to the “subtle reality” on the Moon, which is a heavenly material realm called Chandraloka.

As far as the “gross moon” landings are concerned, over 450,000 people worked on the Apollo missions that eventually took man to the Moon in the late 1960s, to keep a secret like this among all these people, believing it was all some clever hoax is impossible.

And today in 2022 many Countries are continuously sending space crafts and probes to the Moon.

Therefore it is not only NASA anymore, it is China, India, Japan, Russia, Israel, European Union.

To claim they are all in on some hoax and conspiracy is ridiculous, the manned Moon landings between 1969 and 1972 DID happen without any doubt, the evidence is overwhelming!

And if Srila Prabhupada’s opinion does not convince me the Moon manned landings never happened and was “all bluff”, then no one else has any chance of convincing me we never went to the “gross Moon."

Where Srila Prabhupada is right is the Astronauts and their space crafts can NEVER enter or perceive the heavenly atmosphere on the Moon.

Srila Prabhupada always maintained they never went to the Moon but I believe he really meant the “subtle reality of the Moon."

As explained above this technically means there are really “two Moons” not considered by the devotees back in the early 1970s.

The Moon landings therefore were not a hoax or some silly Government conspiracy that only 3% of Americans believe in 2022.

Srila Prabhupada’s reasons they never went to the Moon are different from those mundane Conspiracy theories mentioned above.

That is because he knows there is a higher material heavenly reality on the Moon and throughout the material universe that we in gross material bodies, cannot visit or even perceive.

But the Astronauts did go to the gross reality of the Moon.

What we see in the sky and what the Astronauts visited was the “gross Moon” NOT the “subtle Moon” that is not seen.

If we see the Moon from earth then that must be the “gross reality Moon” otherwise we would not be able to see it.

Since 1969, as far as the gross Moon is concerned, many have said they never went to the Moon.

This was also because very little of this new technology was understood back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, even by Prabhupada, and especially by his very young disciples, some with university degrees, all in there early 20s back then, never fully understood it either.

Today in 2022 it is nonsense to continue these mundane conspiracy theories that they never went to the Moon (the gross Moon) such conspiracy theorists never even considered what Prabhupada said all along. And that is the Moon has an unseen heavenly higher dimension to (a subtle reality)

As said above, Srila Prabhupada emphasis they never went to the “subtle heavenly realm on the Moon” called Chandraloka, and he is right!

But they did go to the same gross Moon we see at night.

It seems Prabhupada back then did not discuss this aspect back in the 1970s of two Moon realities (gross and subtle) that make the Moon landings possible.

This means the Moon is both “subtle and gross” matter, making it two Moons in different realities at the same time in the same space.

We cannot see the “subtle matter” but we can see the “gross matter."

After all we all see the Moon at night from Earth which is the gross reality of the Moon.

Back in 1969 they did not understand any of this, it is even fair to say Srila Prabhupada himself seemed to also be trying to understand Vedic Cosmology with his disciples and suggested we need someone qualified in Vedic Cosmology to teach us.

Srila Prabhupada had said he did not know everything about Vedic Cosmology and therefore sent Tamal Krsna Maharaj to Southern India in search of an advanced Brahmana who could teach us the science of Vedic Cosmology and how to properly understand it.

Discussion with that Southern Brahmin is found here-

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1389738784594714?view=permalink&id=1895632647338656

The fact is they did go to the Moon but only to “the gross Moon,” they could not see or enter the “subtle material heavenly atmosphere of Chandraloka” on the Moon.

To be clear, they never went to the subtle heavenly realm on the Moon called Chandraloka that we also cannot see, detect or visit in these gross material bodies.

However the Astronauts DID go to the same Moon we see at night but was the “gross Moon” they visited.

This means the Moon we see from Earth must be the gross aspect of the Moon otherwise we would not be able to see the Moon at night or day. 

We could get into Prabhupada's "incorrect opinion" the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun is, but that's another article..**..

The story of the Cobbler and the Brahmin and when they would return back home, back to Godhead.

Once on a sunny day near the Ganges a Brahmin priest, who had just finished his morning prayers, came across the great Sage Narada Muni the messenger of Lord Narayana/Visnu.

After bowing in respect, the Brahmin took the liberty of asking the divine Sage to please ask Lord Narayana a question.

Brahmin priest - "Could you be so kind as to ask the Supreme Lord Narayana, when I’m going to be liberated from this temporary decaying world and enter Vaikuntha to again serve Him in complete bliss? I know it will be soon because of my dedication, but I would just like to know, all the same."

Narada - "No problem dear sir, I’ll ask the Lord when I see Him."

Further along down the river, a lowly cobbler lived, he was fixing shoes, he also stopped Narada as he was passing and humbly approached the great Sage. 

Cobbler - Dear great soul, could I appeal to your kindness by asking you to speak to the great Supreme Lord Narayana on my behalf?"

Narada - "I’d be happy to."

Cobbler - "You see, I’m growing more weary each year of this troublesome temporary material world, and I’d just like to know how many more lifetimes I am doomed to suffer in this horrible material world?"

Narada - "I’ll be sure to pass on your message."

Narada continued on, passing through to the spiritual world of Vaikuntha. 

When he saw the Lord Narayana, he bowed to His lotus feet, as is the custom in approaching the Supreme Lord or a great spiritual teacher. The Lord then asked if there was anything He could do for Narada.

Narada then proceeded to put forth the concerns of both the priest and the cobbler.

As Lord Narayana can see through the barriers of past, present and future, He knows all. With a brief pause, He informed Narada of the destiny of his devotees-

Lord Narayana said - "The cobbler will come here to Vaikuntha at the end of this present lifetime, but the Brahmin will live through at least 100 more lifetimes in the material world."

Seeing the astonished look on Narada Muni’s face, the Lord only smiled and gave these instructions-

Lord Narayana - "Next time you see the cobbler and the priest, they will ask you what I was doing when you saw me. Tell them I was threading an elephant through the eye of a needle. When you see their reactions to this, you will then understand everything."

So, Narada went on his way. The first man he saw was the Brahmin, who was shocked and insulted by the news of having another 100 births in the material creation.

The proud Brahmin priest said - "A hundred rebirths in this hell! I don’t believe it! You probably didn’t even see the Lord! Tell me, what was He doing when you saw him?"

Narada said - "The Lord was threading an elephant through the eye of a needle."

Brahmin Priest - "Threading an elephant through the eye of a needle!? That’s totally absurd! You must be lying about everything!"

So, Narada excused himself and pressed on until he found the cobbler. 

He gave him the news that he would soon be liberated and would be joining the Lord in Vaikuntha at the end of this lifetime, at which point the peasant exclaimed in joy-

Cobbler - "Oh, what blessed and glorious news! But, alas, tell me my good sir, what was the Lord doing when you saw him?"

Narada - "Lord Narayana was threading an elephant through the eye of a needle."

Cobbler - "Such a wonderful thing the Lord can do! Absolutely amazing, yes Lord Narayana can do anything He pleases."

Narada - "You mean, you believe that?"

Cobbler - "Yes, why not? We see that huge old oak tree up the hill grew from a tiny acorn, so, if the Lord can squeeze a gigantic oak tree into a little seed like that, He can just as easily thread an elephant through the eye of a needle."

And with that, Narada understood the difference between the proud priest and the humble cobbler and why the priest was not ready to go back home back to Godhead.^.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence, but don't surrender your intelligence." (Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in the spiritual world always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique personal way to please Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change from flower back to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may be a carnation flower while others may choose to be a rose flower.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence (free will). If you persist that "I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa, then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the injunction of Kṛṣṇa." (Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy 1969)

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the spiritual worlds and have their own unique personality and sense of self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet are simultaneously dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason why Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and free will is so they can choose for themselves how to serve Him in their own unique personal way, or even reject Him if they choose. This also means the jiva-souls can always contribute their own unique offerings out of unconditional personal love, without the need of any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or service can only exist when free will allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate in loving devotional exchanges and contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you also give. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything back, then that is simply exploitation." (BG, class, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then there is love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, class Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3 class, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your free will and allowing Krsna to control all your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts. No, the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in the spiritual world are not programmed mindless drones who only obey and never contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way by thinking for themselves.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, or the individual ability of self-expression of offering their own personal contributions to Krsna that are unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did, and never allowed the jiva-souls to have their freedom to make their own choices in the spiritual world, then how can loving exchanges and voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna exist?

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is not love, it is slavery and a relationship of convience which is NOT love but impersonalism.

The "impersonal version" of God's Kingdom of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets, where the jiva-souls are forced to abandon their self  expression and surrender their free will and just do what they are told to do, allowing their bogus version of God to take over their every actions, thoughts and deeds, is spiritual suicide to a genuine devotee making the jiva-souls no better than dead mindless stone.

Having the free will of self expression allows the jiva-souls to be themselves as volountary contributers, which also means being an independent unique contributing servant of the servant of Krsna, who voluntarily chooses what to offer Krsna and how they want to serve Krsna.

Voluntary service is the bases of genuine surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets. The spiritual world is the permanent eternal home of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls)

The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, it is never a nonsense one-sided dominating relationship with Krsna Prabhupada explains.

No, Krsna does not control the surrendered jiva-souls by forcing His will on them like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings. 

Such a forceful controlling mood only denies self-expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna does control His pure devotees with love by His service to them but that in voluntary and in a two-way relationship of loving exchanges. 

Actually Kṛṣṇa serves His pure devotees more than they could EVER serve Him. The jiva-souls who choose to enter this experience of deep feelings of loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna, always want to remain with Krsna and His pure devotees. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver demanding, you love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving in Goloka-Vrindavana."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire, it is free will."

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, "Oh, I must go. I must go." All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are son of God you have acquired the quality of your father so God does not interfere with your independence (free will). You do not lose your free will in the spiritual world, there is always a choice." (Lecture Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will if I can act only one sided? That means I have no free will. Because we can act wrongly (sometimes), that means we have free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on the philosophy of Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So, everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The jiva-souls are eternal living spiritual "anti-material" (individual spiritual unites) PERSONS who have no beginning point, nor will their existence ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita explains.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

The jiva-souls are known as Krsna's “marginal energy, evenbthough the jiva-souls are spiritual energy," "marginal" means the jiva-souls are "in-between" the influence of the spiritual energy and the influence of material energy.  

The marginal energy (jiva-souls) are individual spiritual living entities and is NOT some place in the Spiritual Sky where the jiva-souls originate from, no, the marginal potency or living entities ARE unlimited individual jiva-souls who have no origin and were NEVER created!

The word "marginal" means the jiva-souls (spiritual living entities) are under the influence of either the spiritual energy, or the material energy.  The marginal realm or potency is NOT a place somewhere in the Spiritual Sky, no, the marginal potency ARE the individual jiva-souls who are everywhere.

The individual marginal living entities or jiva-souls are EVERYWHERE throughout the Spiritual Sky (spiritual and material worlds)!

Many misunderstanding this fact.

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva souls), who have existed as long as Krsna has existed. 

The marginal platform means the "jiva-souls" or spirit souls, who, as living spiritual individual beings, naturally belong to the supreme spiritual energy (non-material) with Krsna, are called "marginal living entities." 

The jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy eternally, making the jiva-souls I between the spiritual and material worlds hence - "marginal."

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom.” (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy, called as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we (the jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities (jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Hare Kṛṣṇa Album, New York City, Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul) Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Therefore, being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some so called place in the Brahmajyoti.

As said above, being "marginal" means in-between, secondly marginal means the jiva-souls have free will which means having the choice to be influenced by the spiritual energy or the material energy.

The jiva-souls nature position and full potential is living in the spiritual energy, the spiritual world of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets.

Living in the material energy is the unnatural conditioned restricted state of the jiva-souls. 

As said above, the real meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy based on their free will.

There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture BG, 9.4 - Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity” This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created.

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones."  (BG, Ch 2 text 22 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25, 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29, 1983 edition)

The marginal plane or marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) are expansions of Krsna who have existed as long as Krsna has existed, this means WITHOUT beginning or end.

Just like the Sun-rays always exist together with the Sun-disc both Krsna and the jiva-souls exist eternally.

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The material bodily vessels covering the jiva-souls are temporary therefore, the jiva-souls are continually forced to take a new material body when the one they are in ceases to operate due to, decay, disease, accidents and old age. 

The purpose of this very rare human form is to use it to get out of this material world and not continue trying to build the kingdom of God without God.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) never lose their free will because they are eternal as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains above. Free will has nothing to do with the material body, free will is a symptom of the eternal jiva-soul.

Free will is the constitutional makeup of the pure jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana where nothing material exists, including decaying material bodily vessels.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities, is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. Man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to  human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

It is not Maya and her material energy thst causes the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Maya's temptation and material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana however, thrtr is free will and that is the cause of fall down whwn misused.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The next question, about the living entities (jiva-souls) falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Happening Hare Kṛṣṇa Record Album, New York City Dec 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna? I immediately fall down." (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned jiva-souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Where are the spirit souls coming from, these spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities."(Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (BG lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana) When one forgets Krsna he is eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is eternally liberated (nitya-Siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming ftom there, he never returns to the material creation."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return."

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we could fall down in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Syamasundara - "Can we predict that returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however, some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right, whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again."(Discussions with Syamasundara on the philosophy of Henri Bergson)**..