Friday, April 3, 2020

Just like the "Sun and the Sunrays" exist together and cannot exist independent of each other, Krsna also has no meaning without being surrounded by His loving devotees.

Krsna and the jivas (souls) are ALWAYS together just like the Sun and Sunrays are together that cannot manifest without each other.

However, Krsna IS the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
Alongside Him ALL individual living entities also simultaneously exist without beginning or end.

Therefore, just like the "Sun and the Sunrays" exist together and cannot exist independent of each other, Krsna also has no meaning without His devotees.

The soul or jiva-tattva was NEVER created and does NOT originate from the impersonal aspect of Brahman

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be.

Sastra says Gita 2.20 - 

"For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval’’. 

The word ''unborn'' is very clear meaning the jiva was never born.

Also BG 2.12 -

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be".

The jivas were never created.

Krsna is the maintainer of all existence in Goloka and Vaikuntha and His material ''creation'' Both Krsna and the jivas are eternal and always exist together like the sun and the sunrays.

The jivas are nothing without Krsna and Krsna has no meaning without the jivas as Srila Prabhupada explains in ''Nectar of Devotion''

Both are equally eternal in the sense of there is no beginning but Krsna is always the Supreme Lord even though He has an older brother Balarama LOL.

Krsna has 100% of His own qualities,
Vishnu or Narayana has 93% of Krsna's qualities,
Shiva has 84% of Krishna's qualities,
the jivas like you and me, have 78% of Krishna's qualities.

Both Krsna and the jivas are eternal and always exist together like the sun and the Sunrays. The jivas are NOT created because they were never ''born''.

There was never a time that the jiva-tattvas did not exist.

Like Krsna, the jivas have ALWAYS existed just like the sunrays exist with the sun, this is how the jivas also eternally exist subordinate to Lord Krsna.

Therefore technically, Krsna NEVER created the jivas because they are eternally part and parcel of Him like the sunrays are part and parcel of the sun, they exist together and are inseparable.

Also to say the jiva souls, also known as the marginal living entities, came from an impersonal origin is not the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.

Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970 

Srila Prabhupada - 'The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.

Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition.

The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down.

It does not matter where a living entity stays. In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.

Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet.

Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahman effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.

As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent.

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet.

So we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated.”

What Prabhupada is saying is the jivas were previously active ''before'' entering Maha Vishnu's effulgence, he is saying they never originated from that effulgence even though it may ''appear'' they do because of an enormous time span. 

They have actually fallen to that effulgence by entering it at the end of the previous material creation or may have entered it as an impersonalist yogi, they have never originated from there or Maha Vishnu either because long, long, long before that they fell from Vaikuntha

This is explained here – 

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the spirit soul then goes into the brahma-jyotir, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahma-jyotir is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva soul, and I go to the brahma-jyotir I'm still fallen".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva souls there are also fallen souls".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That follows?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Vibhinnāṁśa. Separated parts. Separated parts, vibhinnāṁśa. You can call it fallen".

Revatīnandana - "But we usually think of fallen as being forgetful".

Srila Prabhupāda -"Yes. This is also forgetfulness. In the brahma-jyotir you are forgetful still. Because you are... That is stated in the śāstra, anādhṛta yuṣmad anghrayaḥ. Anādhṛta. They do not know how to adore the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. That is forgetfulness".








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