Saturday, April 18, 2020

The fact is Krishna does NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will. This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics that are part of THEIR own individual marginal make up as the person they are for all eternity.

The fact is God is more inclined to help those who FIRST do everything they can to help themselves.

Only then will Krishna help you when He sees you trying your very best to do everything you can, to help yourself to remember Krishna.

Of course this reciprocal relationship of very personal loving emotions and exchanges is just that - very personal and different for all jiva souls based on THEIR relationship with Krishna ONLY them and Krishna know.

Therefore we have no insights to judge others relationship with Krishna, what is right for one soul with Krishna, maybe wrong for another.

The fact is Krishna does NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will.

This is important to understand.

This is because each jiva-soul has their own independent individual personality and sense of self that is part of their marginal make up for all eternity.

This allows the jiva-souls, in their full potential as a Spiritual personality, to make "their own choices" of how to help themselves always remember, serve and please Krishna in cooperation and recieprocation with Krishna.

In this way in the Spiritual World, each jiva-soul ALWAYS makes their own personal offerings to Krishna in THEIR way to please Krishna, often different from all other jiva-souls if they choose to do so in Goloka Vrindavana or to Narayana in the Vaikuntha Planets.

The jiva-souls are not programmed drones who have no sense of personal giving.

Otherwise if Krishna does everything for you, how can there be genuine love?

Real love is reciprocal, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self and individuality. 

The "highest independence" is "choosing" to be fully dependent on Krishna with your own unique personality with personal offerings.

Free will is NEVER surrendered to Krishna, only enhanced in an ever expanding mood of recieprocation, cooperstion and loving exchanges.

The freedom to EVEN stay in Vaikuntha MUST be the jivas choice also in reciprocation with Krishna because without free will there can be no real love.

Srila Prabhupada has said not even Krishna can force you to love Him, LOVE or service is based on free will and then reciprocation.

Srila Prabhupada told his disciples, if you love me then naturally I will love you.

The fact is Krishna does NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will. As said, this is very important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics that is part of THEIR own marginal make up as a person for all eternity.

There are important letters written by Prabhupada he instructed be presented and distributed as a Book.

We must understand, there is no difference between Prabhupada's lectures, all his Books and letters.

Letters in most cases although there are some letters that are very personal and meant to be just between Prabhupada and his aspiring disciple.

However, there are many other letters by Prabhupada he instructed to be distributed to the devotees and all Temples.

For example the letter, now a book called "Crow-And-Tal-Fruit Logic, the origin of the jiva" sent to Madhudvisa Swami and the Australian devotees in 1972.

As well as the room discussion with John Lennon and Yoko Ono that is now a book.

In fact, many lectures, morning walks and Room conversation's have been made into books.

There is absolutely "no material cause for one's fall down from Vaikuntha" because Maya, or the material energy, does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

One important point about one Maharaj's talks in the Gaudiya Math on the jiva's origin, is he never mentions that our fall down from Vaikuntha is simply caused by "free will" and NOT Maya (Maya is the material energy that does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana).

It seems this Maharaj does not understand that "Free will" and the "ability to choose" is NEVER lost by the jiva-tattva in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This is because the marginal living entity or jiva-soul, is an individual independent thinking living person with their own unique identity, personality, character and sense of self.

The fact is, these qualities are part and parcel of the jiva-tattva's eternal constitution, and make up as a marginal living entity that has 78% of Krishna qualities.

Such qualities of the individual jiva-tattva (jiva soul) is NEVER lost in Goloka or Vaikuntha under the heading of "surrender" either.

If it did, then that is impersonalism and makes us no better than dead stone Prabhupada explains.

There are other living entities in the Spiritual Planets also that are not jiva-tattva, they maybe Vishnu-tattva, Sakti-tattvs or Sakti-Vishnu-tattva.

The many Sakti-tattva and Vishnu-tattva's can also be known as Vishnu-Sakti-Tattvas.

They are direct expansions of Lord Krishna that are in a different category from the jiva-tattvas who have 78% of Krishna's qualities.

The Vishnu-Sakti-Tattvas have 93% of Krishna's qualities.

There are many associates of Krishna in this category of Vishnu-Sakti-Tattva playing different roles in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan and in Krishna's pastimes in the Material Universes also.

Technically they ARE Krishna experiencing Himself in different past times and roles.

Unlike the jiva-tattva who has their own sense of individuality, independence and unique personality (sense of independent self) who can even choose for themselves to serve or not serve Krishna if they want.

The jivatmas (78% of Krishna's qualities) are different, they have their own independent sense of self that includes "free will and the ability to choose", therefore the jivatmas CAN choose not to be with Krishna if they "choose" where as the Vishnu-sakti-tattvas cannot (because they are Krishna)

The only cause for one's fall down from Vaikuntha is "free will" and "the ability to choose" and nothing else. The fact is without that ability to "choose" then how can there be love?

One old Gaudiya Math Maharaj told one ISKCON devotee visiting him, that all the jiva-souls come from ''a clear sheet of consciousness' from the dormant (impersonal) brahmajyoti in 1978 saying -

''The jiva soul is an atom in that effulgence, and the brahmajyoti is a product of an infinite number of jiva atoms. Generally, souls emanate from the brahmajyoti which is living and growing. Within the brahmajyoti, their equilibrium is somehow disturbed and movement begins. From nondifferentiation, differentiation begins. From a plain sheet of uniform consciousness, individual conscious units grow''.

The devotee told this Maharaj that what he was saying was impersonal nonsense.

It is NOT the teachings of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Society and walked out of his room -

Srila Prabhupada has explained – ''There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – ''Regarding your several questions: Where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha'' (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

"For the soul there is neither birth or death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever existing, undying and primeval. He is NOT slain when the body is slain" (Bhagavad Gita As it Is Chapter 2 Text 20)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness''. (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Letter to: Revatinandana — Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Srila Prabhupada - 'The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman. Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness.

Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition.

The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays. 

In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.

Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet.

Similarly those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system.

As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent.

In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet.

So we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated.” (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jivas were previously active ''before'' entering "inactive" or "dormant" Brahman effulgence" (Letter to Revatinandana Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Here Prabhupada is saying they never originated from that effulgence (inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti) even though it may ''appear'' they do because of an enormous time span.

They have actually fallen to that effulgence by entering it at the end of the previous material creation or may have entered it as an impersonalist yogi, they have never originated from there or Maha Vishnu either because long, long, long before that they fell from Vaikuntha, this is explained here –

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the spirit soul then goes into the brahma-jyotir, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahma-jyotir is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva soul, and I go to the brahma-jyotir I'm still fallen.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva souls there are also fallen souls".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes".

Revatīnandana - "That follows?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Vibhinnāṁśa. Separated parts. Separated parts, vibhinnāṁśa. You can call it fallen".

Revatīnandana - "But we usually think of fallen as being forgetful".

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes. This is also forgetfulness. In the brahma-jyotir you are forgetful still. Because you are... That is stated in the śāstra, anādhṛta yuṣmad anghrayaḥ. Anādhṛta. They do not know how to adore the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. That is forgetfulness".

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” - (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ‘’These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha”. (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - “As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere.”(Original Hare Krsna Happening record album New York 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ”So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krishna? Why not become Krishna?’ I immediately fall down.” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krishna Loka. When one forgets Krishna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krishna he is liberated". (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

It seems recent history proves in Kali-yuga, that the faith in Krishna being the only vaccine for all diseases, is extremely rare.

This is because so many Spiritual leaders have strayed so far away from proper Vedic standard that has allowed in invading primitive tribes, including Islam and to a lessor degree Christanity, that forced converted millions and greatly divided the Indian Subcontinent.

Today's Vedic Brahmin class (teachers) have become very weak and polluted with mundane demigod worship meant only for material gain which is responsible for this happening.

Yes, there is no question that for one who has 100% faith in their Spiritual Master and Krishna, then protection of the soul is there, especially at the time when a faithful devotee leaves the temporary decaying material body. Or rarer still, even by one previously trained like Arjamil.

Krishna Consciousness is the vaccine to rid us of the disease of this temporary material body

But while here in the material world, we have to be practical, Prabhupada was always chanting Hare Krishna and translating Vedic texts but when his finger got severely infected, he asked us to bring him a doctor who could give him penicillin (February 1973 Sydney Australia)

Even then a young devotee asked Prabhupada why didn't Krishna fully protect his pure devotee?

Prabhupada answered, "Oh yes, Krishna did protect me, He sent me the penicillin" 

So in this Kali-yuga we see from 18th Century to the 20th Century, 300 million people died from Small Pox, 23 million just in India in the mid 1800s died from Cholera   and 20 million died from from the Spanish Influenza in 1918/20.

We can just chant Hare Krishna or do what ever we can to help the situation, just like if you break your leg, do you just chant Hare Krishna?

No, you see a doctor, get your leg straightened and put in a caste, in this way Krishna helps those who helps themselves, just like sending a doctor to Prabhupada who had penicillin that healed his infected finger.

Prabhupada did not just sit there and chant Hare Krishna expecting his finger to heal.

We should not expect Krishna to do everything for us, our relationship with Krishna is ALWAYS reciprocal meaning He likes to see us make endeavors and individual offerings too

After all, we are eternal individual living entities endowed with free will in Goloka Vrindavan and Vaikuntha however, in the material World, such free will is almost non existent due to the jiva soul becoming entangled in material existence life after life with entangled in their karmic reactions.

Only in the human form of life can we again question our existence and find a Spiritual Master to guide us.

ISKCON is reviving an age old Vedic system and bringing in a Golden Age of Spirituality based on the teachings of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu

When Prabhupada went back to India in 1970 with his "dancing white elephants", that was the beginning of this Vedic REVIVAL.

This is important to understand, their are big changes coming to this terrible Kali-yuga that will transform it for a short time (10,000 years)

However ISKCON is only 50 years into this revival and spiritual rejuvenation.

Slowly we are developing farms, ahimsa Milk, etc all over the world.

But it is still early pioneering days IN 2020.

As a Movement, ISKCON and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan Movement is very young.

In 1972 Prabhupada spoke in his room that this ISKCON movement WILL bring in a Golden Age.

He said devotees in a few generations, will become very powerful Brahmins and even mystics, meaning their chanting mantras will have great potency.

Farming communities are an important part of this REVIVAL of Vedic Culture and Sanatam Dharma

Prabhupada told us this coming Golden Age will AGAIN revive the Vedic standard known in previous yugas like Dvarpara, and even Satya yuga!

This WILL happen with Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's poweful Sankirtan movement setting up in every major city and Town around the World, if ISKCON Members take his Books very seriously.














1 comment:

  1. The fact is Krishna does NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will, He never forces a soul to love, serve or surrender to Him.

    Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that.

    Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (July 8, 1976)

    Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it in the material world?"

    Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

    This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics exclusive to them (each jiva soul), that are a unique part of each individual marginal living entities make up, making them the eternal "person" they are eternally.

    Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. "So God does not interfere with your little independence”. (Conversation in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples)

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