Saturday, August 15, 2020

It is a fact 90% of jiva souls NEVER leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana however, it is also a fact less than 10% DO choose to leave as Srila Prabhupada has explained to us. This is because all jiva souls have free will as part of their eternal constitution, therefore one is able to make THEIR OWN choices, ESPECIALLY in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana where the jiva souls experience the full potential of their marginal spiritual identity.

It is a fact that more than 90% of jiva souls NEVER leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana however, it is also a fact less than 10% of jiva-souls DO CHOOSE to leave as Srila Prabhupada has explained to us.

This is because all jiva souls CAN make the choice to stay or leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana at any time because they are endowed with ''free will'' as part of their eternal constitution.

Therefore the jiva souls are always able to make THEIR OWN choices in the Spiritual World, it is there the jiva souls experience the "full potential" of their marginal spiritual identity, unlike being conditioned, restricted and trapped in a material bodily vessel within the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

For love to truly exist with the jiva-tattva (jivatma or jiva-tattva soul) we MUST have the the right to choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krishna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown”. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict that the process (returning back home back to Godhead) will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, but some come back''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back. but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson) 

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "In Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that".(Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something. When these things are transacted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there''. (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva soul that is without any beginning or ending point, and is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution as explained above.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a ''unique individual independent person'' while serving Krishna, being different from all other living entities in the Spiritual Sky.

Free will means it is the jiva soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krishna, or even not surrender if they choose.

However, the majority of jiva-souls (over 90%), never make that foolish ''choice'' and enter the material creation because they never forget or abandon their loving reciprocation with Krishna and selfless service to Him.

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be achieved or executed only with one, there MUST be another one, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction is then love''. (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)

In other words, love means two.

Srila Prabhupada - ''The (impersonalist mayavadi) philosophy is oneness. So how there can be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that Love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3 -- Paris, June 12, 1974)

The jiva-soul in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, NEVER lose their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Each jiva-soul in their full natural spiritual potential in the Spiritual Worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, have this eternal marginal quality of free will as already emphasised.

The fact is, Krishna actually NEVER gave the individual marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) free will BECAUSE the jiva-tattva souls HAVE ALWAYS HAD FREE WILL as part of their perpetual constitutional make up! 

Just like Krishna NEVER created the marginal living entities or jiva souls because they have ALWAYS existed without having any beginning or will never cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20 explains - 

''For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain''.

Srila Prabhupada – There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970) 

Therefore like Krishna, the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless and are always perpetually together like the Sun and the sun rays are also inseparable.

Therefore there is no beginning point where "free will" began because it is eternal.

Krishna (God) is NOT responsible for all the suffering in the material creation, even though the material worlds are His creation.

The individual jiva-tattva souls are responsible for their own actions in the material creation, good and bad.

This begins when the jiva souls choose to enter the material creation, leaving their real eternal home in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Yes, their is always choice and it is foolish to say once entering Vaikuntha, one can never leave.

And those so called great Vaishnavas who claim this, no matter who they are, are NOT understanding the consequences of "free will" that all jiva souls have.

Srila Prabhupada - “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krishna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

The fact is there IS return if the jiva-tattva wants to return, this is Prabhupada's point here -

Acyutananda – “But in the Gita, it says, “Once coming there, he never returns. He can return?”

Srila Prabhupada – “If he likes he can return”.

Guru-kripa – “How is it that one can become envious of Krishna?”

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krishna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown”. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)

Although it is a fact 90% of jiva souls NEVER leave Vaikuntha Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha because they choose not to leave however, less than 10% DO choose to leave Prabhupada has explained to us.

So lets be clear, by having free will, one is able to make THEIR OWN choices, ESPECIALLY in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana where the jiva souls experience the full potential of their marginal spiritual identity.

This also allows the jiva souls to reject Krishna if they choose to do so.

That choice MUST be there for reciprocal love to truly exist.

Love for another person can only truly exist, when one can choose to also reject that love as well.

Love is a two way street, NOT a one way street of master and slave.

That is not love it is "slavery" where one is no better than a dead stone.

Does anyone really want to live in an impersonal Vaikuntha or God's Kingdom like that? Where one is a mindless "yes man or women"?

I rejected that nonsense impersonal version of surrender.

Sadly, even today, there are still foolish arrogant religious dictatorial leaders preaching their nonsense fear tactics demanding you do what they want you to do and even claiming ''do not think for yourself because we will do the thinking for you''.

Such character destroying leaders only destroys whatever little self-esteem, self-respect and individual sense of self you have, trying to extinguish your free will only turning you into ''mindless'' stone.

Without the ability to choose due to free will, there can no question of experiencing what REAL love, devotion or surrender is.

Without free will, the expressions of loving emotions, exchanges and reciprocation will NEVER exist.

In Kali-yuga there are so many stereotype immature religionists, Gurus and Swamis from many Sangas in India and around the Globe today, with their external often cold ''neat and clean'' show of rules and regulation, that are without the mature deep personal loving devotional moods of care for all living entities, and realisations that allow them to be genuinely compassionate to ALL others in their struggles in Spiritual life.

Sadly most religious leaders today cannot understand this.

Such neophyte immature devotees foolishly think surrender to Krishna means letting Krishna or His representative, completely control and dominate everything you do, like a puppet is controlled by strings, instead of training you up to have a strong individual character and sense of self, who learns to offer Guru and Krishna the best THEY choose to offer.

Today we see if you do not allow these leaders to completely control and dominate everything you do, like a puppet is controlled by strings, then they shun you, ignore you and keep you on the outer.

Sadly in this way, many neatly dressed so called devotees in many sangas, in the garb of a Brahmin, are in outward dress only.

It is important to understand that each individual jiva-soul in the Spiritual World has their own personality, their own independent identity, and unique characteristics exclusive to only them.

In other words, each jiva soul is completely different from all other jiva souls, each has their own unique personality, sense of self and individual relationship with Krishna.

No two jiva souls are the same.

We should all be trained up to understand this knowledge of true individuality of self expression.

Denying that the jiva soul has their own independent individuality eternally as a spirit soul in the Spiritual Sky, is actually Impersonalism as explained above.

In the Spiritual Worlds, Krishna does NOT interfere with the jiva-soul's free will, He never forces a soul to love, serve or surrender to Him.

However, once in the material creation, the now trapped jiva soul eventually finds themselves overwhelmed by the reactions from their own deeds (karma) and basic material instincts existing in all species of life.

Such instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending, entangled and covered the embodied jiva soul, therefore under these laws of material nature, the jiva souls lose their free will and become controlled by the strict laws of material nature, and includes the reactions to their own actions, but only in the human form of life. 

The eight million lower species of life do not create karma, only the four hundred thousand varieties human of beings do that because they have the intelligence to be responsible for their actions, good and bad.

In the material world, so many terrible things are continually happening because of the mistaken selfish desire of the rebellious jiva souls who have chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

However the fact is, the nature of this material creation and the material bodily container we are in, are temporary and in a constant state of decomposition, decline and decay.

This only frustrates the trapped embodied jiva souls, further keeping them trapped in the material bodily cycle of birth and death. 

Although this suffering eventually does create the desire to get out of the material creation, where one begins to seek out a Spiritual teacher who can guide them back home, back to Godhead...**....






















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