Monday, August 3, 2020

The difference between Krsna, Visnu-tattva, Siva-tattva and Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls)

All the "living entity expansion categories" of Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes are-

1 - Visnu-tattva (headed by Balarama then His unlimited Visnu/Narayana expansions. 

And the internal "sakti" energy of Kṛṣṇa is headed by Srimati Radharani who Krsna created by dividing Himself into two just so He could experience loving intimate exchanges with a woman.

When Radha and Krsna become "one Body," then we have Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

2 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva and his expansions) 

3 - Jiva-tattva (the marginal living entities or individual jiva-souls) 

All these expansions are dependent on Krsna's energy and are His eternal parts and parcels who belong to Krsna and comes from Krsna.

All that exists is Krsna's energy, and no-one can ever be independent from Krsna, even when some (the jiva-souls) are given free will and the independence to choose to serve Krsna, or reject Krsna and follow their own desires.

For both of these choices that may happen, still everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna.

Generally, Krsna never interferes with free will and allows His own energy to be used rightfully or wrongly because He allows the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) to be free so they can experience voluntary loving exchanges.

Allowing freedom means one must be able to choose to do right or wrong, otherwise there is no question of having freedom.

We must understand that all things that exist is the energy of Lord Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and nothing is independent from Him.

However, for each jiva-soul to be able to express themselves in their own unique way, means they must have their own independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality, only then can love exist.

In fact if Krsna never allowed freewill on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka-Vrindavana, then Him and all those around Him are no better that dead lifeless stone.

Life for the jiva-souls means "freedom" in the spiritual world that comes from "free will."

As said above, Krsna's expansions called jiva-tattva (jiva-souls), are separate "independent acting" living entities within Krsna's realm of Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, and to a lessor degree the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti. 

In the spiritual world, the jiva-souls "voluntarily" always express themselves in their own unique way with offerings of personal contributions they provide to please Krsna.

Free will can NEVER be "surrendered" because our choices define who we individually are as a contributing individual devotee of Kṛṣṇa.  

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will, you want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities), as part of their eternal constitution, are ETERNALLY endowed with free will, as free thinking individuals in their full potential in the spiritual worlds that allows a loving reciprocal relationship of exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the jiva-souls.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (known as Visnu-tattva, where the Lord Himself plays a different role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Krsna are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-souls endowed with independence and free will) like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)
The word "marginal energy or potency" refers to the individual jiva-souls who are separated living entities each with their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality, and endowed with "free will."

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy. Marginal energy means you may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Introduction BG, As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions where are the spirit souls coming from?  These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)   

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls). Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

The jiva-souls have the following qualities-

1 - Having 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities means the jiva-souls have 78.125% of Krsna's attributes.  

2 - Their own independent personality and unique character that is fully dependent on Krsna's energies.

3 - Their own individual spiritual bodily form (svarupa) that is originally 2 legs 2 arms like Krsnas but can voluntarily change to many other forms from a blade of grass to a tree  flower, flagpole, chair, cloud, rain etc including the 4 armed form similar to Lord Viṣṇu while living on the Vaikuntha planets.

No two jiva-souls are the same in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, each jiva-soul is unique with their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality.

Even though at a glance in the Vaikuntha planets, all jiva-soul's bodies resemble Lord Visnus, the fact is, each spiritual body resembling Lord Visnu's body, when carefully observed, is different, each has their own unique characteristics.

All the jiva-souls are independent from Krsna's Personality and dominance, having their own unique personality and free will, yet as said above, are always fully dependant on Krsna's all pervasive energies.

The jiva-souls have their own unique sense of self that allows them to voluntarily contribute their own personal offerings to Krsna instead of being told what to offer to Krsna.

Such a personal exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the jiva-souls adds flavour and mystery to the relationship.

The jiva-soul's individual, independent spiritual nature is an eternal person in the spiritual world where their full potential of freedom is fully realized.  

In other words, without having the "free will" to be a separate independent contributing individual living entity, then one is no better than a dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Having free will is the eternal constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul), and is the foundation for the jiva-soul's voluntary relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means a relationship between "two persons", then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Even though Krsna allows this freedom for His amusement to see what happens when the jiva-souls are given freedom, He always remains the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Just like the Sun-disc and the sun-rays cannot exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna cannot exist separately from His living entities (parts and parcels) and the living entities cannot exist without Krsna.

Each jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent individual with their own unique personality and character different separate from Krsna's Personality and Character, and different from other jiva-souls and expansions of Kṛṣṇa.

Loving devotional service to Krsna is always is based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of devotion between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will that does not deny the free will of each individual jiva-soul.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a one-way domineering forceful mood from a "so called God" in His Kingdom that denies personal voluntary contributions expressed in a two-way exchange of feelings, only leaves the jiva-souls no better than dead stone as explained above by Prabhupada.

Such a mindless none productive relationship is dangerous impersonalism.

"Personalism" means having a "two-way" relationship with Krsna that includes voluntary loving exchange of feelings that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be two. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

Love can never exist when only one is involved, the freedom must be there to voluntarily participate in a two-way relationship. Even Krsna had to divide Himself into two just so He could experience loving exchanges with a women. 

The word reciprocation only has meaning when there are two involved, NOT one.

As explained  above, free will is eternally the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and the foundation in all relationship with Krsna because free will gives the jiva-souls a voice and ability to give and receive love.

If Krsna did deny the jiva-souls their free will, then the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are dead useless realms where only cold impersonalism exists.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved." (Lecture on BG Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Loving exchanges is activated by reciprocation between two, as said above, it can never exist on a one-way platform. 

Therefore, the destiny of the jiva-souls is not exclusively up to Krsna, the jiva-souls also have a choice as well.

The fact is Krsna will never force the jiva-souls to accept His promise of never again falling down to the material creation if they choose differently.

He can force His will on the jiva-souls if He wants because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and controls everything including the jiva-souls free will.

However, no, Krsna will never interfere with the jiva-soul's free will by forcing them to love Him because He knows by not allowing the jiva-souls to have their freedom, only makes them no better than dead useless stone.

In other words, forcing His will on the jiva-souls will only destroy their independent nature and unique personality, depriving them of experiencing "voluntary" exchanges with Krsna.

The experience of real love means a relationship between two, that includes the free will to even reject Krsna if one chooses.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. Man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy two-way exchange between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are "persons" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each individual jiva-soul must have their free will so they can contribute in their own way and make their own choices in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, even if it means choosing to leave Krsna, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcel expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." 

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Rene Descartes and Prabhupada)

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have 78.125% of Krsna's 100% qualities, which is 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities. 

This is important to understand and know what percentages mean with Krsna's expansions and different categories of living entities. 

For example, other than the marginal living entities (jiva-soul's 78.125% qualities), there are Krsna's more direct expansion known as Visnu-tattva who have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities, which is 93.75% of Krsna's attributes.

Some expansions are complete and omnipotent beings like Krsna Himself, who are Krsna, playing different roles as Himself, but in unlimited different Narayana/Visnu forms. 

All these forms like Balarama, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu etc, have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities. Then there is the Siva-tattva who is inbetween the jiva-tattvas and the Visnu-tattva who has 55 of Krsna's qualities which is 84.375% of Krsna's attributes.

Srila Prabhupada - "Balarama is the plenary manifestation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and therefore He is as good and powerful as Lord Krsna. He belongs to the Visnu-tattva - the principle of Godhead." (SB, 1.11.16-17, Purport)*^*^×

















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