The origin of the jiva-soul and free will explained.

Srila Prabhupada - “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, then that is NOT independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we may miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down, that is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna rotect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said - "If you catch one girl or boy and demand you love me, you love me, you love me, is that love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver - you love me otherwise I will kill you! That is not love; that is threatening." Real Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna in the spiritual world, there’s no return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary, return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, 'Oh, this material world is very nice, yes,' Krsna says, 'yes, you go there. So, they want to enjoy this material world.' Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, 'All right, you enjoy like this.' Just like some of our students, Krsna conscious, sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. 

Just like one goes to the prison house, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He leaves because of his free will; then again comes out, like that. 

Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare, nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare. 

The police are there, if you do anything criminal, immediately you will be arrested, under police custody. The maya may be there, but maya captures him who is NOT remembering he is a devotee of Krsna. Therefore, Krsna says, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te: "Anyone who surrenders unto Me, maya does not interfere anymore."

Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural spiritual position?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are Majority of 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material world all the living entities are in the prison house, but the material world is not where the majority of souls are. They are NOT majority. Just like in a city here, the majority of the population, are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living beings, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world, only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time, but there is the tendency of fall down, not for most, because there is independence so there is the possibility. Most choose to NOT misuse their independence. But still we see the government is constructing the city and also constructs the prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal so their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, 

yathecchasi tathä kuru. 

Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare

nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. 

We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. 

Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea and want to become master, that is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture SB, Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary. " 

Acyutananda - "He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Also existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the NON-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

The following Conversation took place in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples.

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there. But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. However if you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?

Answer - It is not based on a place you can never fall down from that will keep you in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, it does not work that way because it is based on free will which is ‘’your choice’’ in reciprocation with Krsna. If we are forced to love Krsna, then how can there be genuine love?

Loving relationships are always a two way street based on reciprocation and loving exchanges, it is never a slave domineering master relationship that only destroys one's free will and sense of individual self.

Remaining in Vaikuntha "eternally" is also based on the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) unique selflessness, loving exchanges with Krsna and free will to also choose.

And of course, most importantly being able to freely choose individual "loving" personal exchanges and contributions as an offering while serving the Lord as the perpetual "person" the jiva souls are eternally.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character when engaging in loving exchanges with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are two-persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So, if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran) 

With such selfless emotions of loving devotion, the jiva-soul NEVER loses their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva)

Each jiva-soul has this eternal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution of being an individual jiva-soul eternally.

HERE HERE HERE HERE HERE 

In this way, each of the jiva-soul's have their own individual sense of self, character and personality and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky, unlike any other jiva-soul.

Again it is important to understand that no two jiva-souls are the same.

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva-soul that is without any beginning or ending point, and is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent PERSONS serving Krsna in the spiritual world.

Free will means, it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna, or even not surrender if they choose however, more than 90% of jiva-souls NEVER choose to leave the spiritual world, only less than 10% foolishly choose to enter the material creation Prabhupada tells us.

It is also their choice of what THEY want to offer and contribute to the Lord, which is the very best from their personal unique abilities and talents they voluntarily choose to selflessly offer to Krsna.

But also each jiva-soul knows it pleases Krsna the most by humbly and selflessly serving the servants of the servants of Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha.

This "selflessness" of serving the servant of the servant of Krsna is the highest realization of love of God.

The fact that one does NOT fall from God's personal Kingdom, is the jiva-souls personal responsibility and choice, and NOT Gods (Krsna).

It is the jiva-souls choice, it is their free will that allows them to choose, and nobody else including Krsna, interferes with that choice. This is because Krsna NEVER forces us to love Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently'', God says, “All right, you can go and enjoy”. (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly Krsna is meaningless without the association of His loving devotees.

And in Krsna Book Prabhupada also further explains -

Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)

The relationship between Krsna and the jiva-soul is NEVER one-sided, never forced, never impersonal, it is ALWAYS reciprocal, nurturing, personal and voluntary, in a mood of good exchanges and feelings, ONLY then can there be REAL love.

Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago-

"If you love me, then I will love you."

As an example that there must always be loving cooperation and responding in kindness.

The fact is over 90% of jiva-souls choose NOT fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana. 

That "choice" is always there with the jiva-souls eternally.

The jiva-souls or have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities, or 50 of His 64 qualities and puts them in the realm of having their own "sense of independent self, identity, personality, individuality, and the ability to voluntarily choose for themselves. 

This means the jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna if they choose.

The most important activity to achieve in this rare human form of life, is to AGAIN re-establish one's eternal relationship with Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

To begin with, the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are always a perpetual bodily FORM that looks like Krsna's form when in their full potential in the spiritual world.

And can change to any form they desire while in both Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets.

The spiritual bodily form is-

1 - Sat, 

2 - Chit, 

3 - Ananda, 

4 - Vigraha.

Which means-

1 - Eternity, 

2 - Knowledge, 

3 - Bliss,

4 - Form.

The conclusion of the brahmajyoti, brahman and Spiritual Sky, is life exists EVERYWHERE (sarva-gatah), and the jiva-soul's full potential is an eternal individual spiritual bodily FORM.  

This is what the spiritual world looks like represented by Krsna's two armed bodily form and Visnu/Narayana's four armed bodily form. 

 Therefore, being dormant, formless and inactive in the "impersonal" aspect of the brahmajyoti, is a fallen condition of the jiva-souls and NOT their original bodily state of existence. 

The jiva-souls did NOT originate from the impersonal brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form, man is made after the shape of God. I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and he can change his form from flower to human body. That is spiritual life, there is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS and can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the jiva-souls are indestructible and beginningless like Krsna.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls) who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed, which is eternity or infinity. 

Being an "inactive" (dormant) so-called "spiritual spark" in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, is an already fallen unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential, are a spiritual bodily PERSON (form) fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world serving Him explained above, which is the jiva-soul's natural eternal home.

Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (inactive) [impersonal] brahmajyoti made up of a collective of "inactive" individual jiva-souls, appearing there AFTER becoming frustrated with the material world's repeated cycle of birth and death, of possessing these temporary bodily vessels over millions of life times. 

The frustrated conditioned jiva-souls attempt to extinguish their eternal existence by attempting to become a bodiless "spiritual individual spark" merged in the impersonal brahmajyoti, which is a "fallen" unnatural artificial state of the jiva-soul.

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" in the dormant brahmajyoti as a spiritual spark, is an unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form in their eternal original natural state, serving Krsna the Supreme Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in a fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated, the living entities first falling down to this material world are NOT from the impersonal brahman. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that "non-fallen" condition is Krsna cconsciousness. 

As long as one can maintain their pure Krsna consciousness, then he is NOT fallen down. 

As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. Those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world." (Letter to  Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "When fall down takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition."(Letter to, Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant bodiless) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal stage. The jiva-soul wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara - "Does the jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he is spirit, spiritual identity already. But as we are developing material body, similarly we can revive spiritual body."

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and if I go to the brahmajyoti am I still fallen?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Aug 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul's form is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The spirit soul has got form but with our material eyes we foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a "spiritual spark" is the unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form associating with Krsna in His eternal pastimes.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Lord Krsna is the Supreme PERSONALITY of Godhead and cause of all causes, who IS a eternal bodily FORM as an eternal PERSON.

This also means the proper full potential and appearance of ALL jiva-souls (jiva-tattva) are also eternal PERSONS because they are seen as in Krsna's image.

The jiva-souls are NOT originally an impersonal spiritual bodiless spark in the Brahmajyoti of Brahman as fools believe.

The fact is, only when the jiva-souls choose to forget Krsna do they first enter the material creation, and than fall further to the inactive (impersonal) Brahmajyoti due to becoming frustrated with the temporary nature of material existence (being force to change material bodies in a decaying temporary atmoshere)

Srila Prabhupada - "Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence and may utilized it rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions where the spirit souls are coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

As Bhagavad Gita says above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created because they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end. 

Srila Prabhupada – "There is no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970).^^.

How Srila Prabhupada wanted his ISKCON society managed.

Srila Prabhupada - "The Krsna Consciousness Movement (ISKCON) is for training men to be independently thoughtful, there must be always individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit.

NOT that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide. 

No, this centralisation control of all our ISKCON Temples will spoil everything! 

Each temple MUST remain independent and self-sufficient.

I have heard you want to make big plan for centralization of management, I do not at all approve of such a plan. 

Do not centralize anything!

Each temple must remain independent and self-sufficient. That was my plan from the very beginning, why you are thinking otherwise? 

Once before you wanted to centralize with the GBC and if I did not interfere the whole thing would have been killed.

Do not think in this way of big corporation and centralization—these are all nonsense proposals. 

The only thing I wanted was that book printing and distribution (BBT) should be centralized, thats all, otherwise management and everything else should be done locally by local men.

Accounts must be kept, things must be in order and lawfully done, but that should be each temple's concern, not yours. 

The Krsna Consciousness Movement (ISKCON) is for training men to be independently thoughtful and competent in all types of departments of knowledge and action, not for making bureaucracy.

Once there is bureaucracy the whole thing will be spoiled. 

There must be always individual striving, work and responsibility, competitive spirit, not that one shall dominate and distribute benefits to the others and they do nothing but beg from you and you provide, No. 

Never mind  that there may be botheration to register each centre, take tax certificate each, become separate corporations in each state.

That will train men how to do these things, and they shall develop reliability and responsibility, that is the point. (Letter to Karandhara - Bombay 22 Dec, 1972)

Proper understanding of "free will" and "surrender" is NOT correctly understood in both ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math Sangas.

Proper understanding of "free will" and "surrender" is NOT correctly followed in both ISKCON and the Gaudiya Math Sangas in these early Western World pioneering years.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom.” (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

These comments by Srila Prabhupada, very few properly understand. 

Most foolishly believe to enter Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, one must extinguish or surrender their free will and just allow Krishna to completely control your every actions and thoughts.

Sadly most do not even care to stop this nonsense impersonalism.

This is because they enjoy having "mindless yes men and women" followers around them that they do the thinking for, and who obey without question.

To these fools this blind obedience is the meaning of surrender.

Many devotees today have absolutely no idea what "free will" really is or means, or what "surrender" really means including many naive arrogent gurus and sannyasis.

Sadly their ignorance and fanaticism is stagnating the advancement of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's great Sankirtan Movement. 

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it in the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Free will is something never acquired, nor ever given up in the Spiritual World as these ignorant fools believe. 

Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore ALWAYS exists in the Spiritual Planets.

However, free will in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva souls original perpetual home.

Only in the material creation is free will completely covered over restricted and suppressed by material nature and karma. 

Losing one's free will (only covered over and never really lost) therefore is only experienced if the jiva soul foolishly chooses to enter the darkness of the material creation and be confined to temporary material bodily containers.

Therefore the jiva souls full Spiritual potential of being a free individual in the Spiritual world serving Krishna, is mostly lost if they choose to enter the material creation.

All jiva souls originally HAVE free will as part of their perpetual constitution make up, but can be forgotten (not ever lost) if they choose to enter the material creation.

Therefore in the material creation, the jiva souls original expression of freedom (free will) becomes covered over, suppressed and forgotten and must be AGAIN revived so the jiva soul is reinstated to their original spiritual position.

This revival is only possible by the process of Krishna Consciousness under the guidance of a bonafide Spiritual Master.

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krishna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krishna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - “That means YOU lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

Acyutananda - ''So what made the soul take birth in the first place, what is the cause of the first birth in the material world?''.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes that is stated in the Prema-vivarta -"We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world". 

We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. 

Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we choose to give up this idea and want to become master, then that is the beginning of our material birth''. (Lecture on Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.2--Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - ''But in the Gita, it says once returning back home, back to Godhead he never again goes to the material as world."

Srila Prabhupada - ''But if he likes, he can return''.

Acyutananda - ''He can return?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''That independence has to be accepted, we can misuse that and is the cause of our falldown''. (Morning Walk, February 19, 1976, Mayapur)

The jiva souls in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana therefore are forever expanding their sense of individuality with personal offerings based on selfless loving reciprocation with Krishna, it is NEVER a one sided master/slave relationship with the Lord.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krishna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique characteristics that THEY only individually have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent eternal "person" they are.

Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. "So God does not interfere with your little independence”. (Conversation in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples)

The jiva-soul in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, NEVER lose their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Each jiva-soul in their full natural spiritual potential in the Spiritual Worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, have this eternal marginal quality of free will as already emphasised.

The fact is, Krishna actually NEVER gave the individual marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) free will BECAUSE the jiva-tattva souls HAVE ALWAYS HAD FREE WILL as part of their perpetual constitutional make up!

Just like Krishna NEVER created the marginal living entities or jiva souls because they have ALWAYS existed without having any beginning or will never cease to be.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 Text 20 explains -

''For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain''.

Srila Prabhupada – There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?''. (Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970)

Therefore like Krishna, the individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless and are always perpetually together like the Sun and the sun rays are also inseparable.

Therefore there is no beginning point where "free will" began because it is eternal.

We must all try to understand that love can ONLY exist in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana the Spiritual World when there is free will Prabhupada told us all those years ago.

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran) 

With such selfless emotions of loving devotion, the jiva-soul NEVER loses their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual souls (jiva-tattva)

Each jiva-soul has this eternal marginal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution as being the marginal living entity or jiva-tattva-soul they eternally are.

In this way, each of the jiva-soul's have their own individual sense of self, character and personality and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky, unlike any other jiva-soul.

Again it is important to understand that no two jiva-souls are the same.

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva soul that is without any beginning or ending point, and is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent person while serving Krishna, being different from all other living entities in the Spiritual Sky.

Free will means, it is the jiva soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krishna, or even not surrender if they choose.

However, the fact is, more than 90% of jiva souls NEVER choose to foolishly enter the material creation.

Only less than 10% foolishly choose to enter the material creation Prabhupada tells us.

It is also their choice of what THEY want to offer and contribute to the Lord, which is the very best from their personal unique abilities and talents they voluntarily choose to selflessly offer to Krishna.**

Krsna is like the "Sun-disc" and all of his different expansions of living entities are like the "sun-rays".

Krsna is like the "Sun-disc" and all of his different expansions of living entities are like the "sun-rays".

Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes is like the "Sun Globe" and all of his different expansions are like the "Sunrays" (sakti)

So what are the different categories of Krishna's "parts and parcels" or different expansions?

Krishna's love is based on personal intimate exchanges and reciprocation with His devotees (individual parts and parcels called sakti energy) 

The love Krishna has for His devotees is far greater than any of them can ever have for Him.

Krishna therefore is like the "Sunglobe" and all of His different categories of "sakti" expansions are like the "sunrays".

These "sun-rays" who are the individual living entities, are called the sakti-tattva energy of Krishna however, there are different categories of sakti energy. 

The Sakti-tattva energy of Krishna also includes 4 different individual categories of living entities called 

1 - jiva-tattva, 

2 - shiva-tattva,

3 - Vishnu-sakti-tattva, 

4 - Vishnu tattva.

However the Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva expansions are "all-one" with Krishna, unlike the individual jiva-tattva souls who have their own sense of self, personality, character, independence and individuality.

In simple terms, the jiva-tattvas are NOT Krishna, Vishnu-tattva or Vishnu-sakti-tattva.

Shiva-tattva is in a league of his own, he is neither jiva-tattva, Vishnu-sakti-tattva or Vishnu-tattva.

In this way Sakti-tattva is divided into four categories, all are like the Sunrays and Krishna is like the central Sun globe surrounded by the Sunrays.

These sunrays (sakti) perpetually  emanating from and surrounding the Sun (Krishna) are in different categories.

So what are the categories of Krishna's sakti ("parts and parcels") that are all different expansions of Krishna?

1 - Vishnu-tattvas have 93.75% of Krishna's qualities which is 60 attributes out of Krishna's 64 attributes, like Krishna's older brother Balarama, and Vishnu or Narayana in each Vaikuntha Planet, or Maha Vishnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Paramatma who enter the material creation.

2 - Sakti-vishnu-tattvas have 93.75% of Krishna's qualities which is 60 attributes out of Krishna's 64 attributes, like Srimati Radharani, some leading gopis and gopas and other associates and residents of Vrindavan, including many others who appear in Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's lila or pastimes on Earth.

None of these can ever fall down to the material world because they ARE "direct" expansions of Krishna, meaning they ARE Krishna's personality expressed in a different way according to pastime. 

In other words both Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattvas ARE Krishna Himself playing another role in His own pastimes.

Many of the living entites are both Vishnu-sakti-tattvas and Vishnu-tattvas in the Spiritual World of Goloka-Vrindavana and the unlimited Vaikuntha planets, and many others are also jiva-tattva souls like us. 

And, as explained above, both Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva can NEVER fall down and forget Krishna because THEY are already the full expansions of Krishna's personality just playing another role in His unlimited pastimes (lilas) in either the Vaikuntha Planets, Goloka Vrindavan, or in the material creation.

In other words, all Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva ARE Krishna in a different forms experiencing His own pastimes.

3 - Shiva-tattva has 84.375% of Krishna's qualities which is 54 attributes out of Krishna's 64 attributes.

Lord Shiva is in a league of His own. 

Many scholars believe Hanuman is an incarnation of Shiva, but not all. There are many incarnations of Shiva however, he can never be Vishnu-tattva or Vishnu-sakti-tattva. 

Although Shiva and a Vishnu-tattva form can merge as one which really means a Vishnu-tattva form is in "the mood" of Shiva. 

Once Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu adapted the "mood" of Shiva, not that He is Shiva. 

This can also be the same for other Vishnu-tattva expansions that are tinged with Lord Shiva's attributes. 

4 - Jiva-tattvas have 78.125% of Krishna's qualities which is 50 attributes out of Krishna's 64 attributes.

The Jiva-tattvas are known as the "marginal living entities", they are also Krishna's sakti expansions but NOT direct full expansions like Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva explansions or a special expansion in a league of their own like Shiva-tattva. 

The individual jiva-tattvas or marginal living entities are NOT directly krishna like the above 2 categories of Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva are.

Shiva is NOT Vishnu-tattva, Vishnu-sakti-tattva or jiva tattva). 

The jiva-tattvas or marginal living entities are independent free thinking thinking living entities who have full free will in the Spiritual Planets (not fully in the material creation though). 

The jiva souls in their full potential in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, are individual living entities with their own sense of self, personality, individuality and character eternally who can choose for themselves how to serve Krishna, or even not serve Him if they choose.

The marginal living entities (jiva-tattvas) are also known as the jiva soul or jivatma, they have their own "sense of individual self" that is independent and separate from Krishna's personality, therefore, they are their own person yet are always fully dependent on Krishna's energies whether in the Spiritual or material worlds. 

This is because EVERYTHING is under His control because Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

In this way, all jiva-tattva souls have free will eternally as part of their marginal spiritual make up that allows them to have the ability to choose for themselves in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan as part of their marginal constitution.

This means, as separate thinking living entities, the jiva soul can choose to be with Krishna or Vishnu, or reject the Lord and enter the material creation if they want, such freedom ONLY fully exists in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

In the material creation freedom is almost none existant because as soon as the jiva-tattva soul takes a material bodily vessel, the embodied soul becomes trapped and entangled under the influence of material nature.

The hash control from material nature includes the animalistic instincts of eating, sleeping, mating and defending that directs and forces the destiny of all lower species of life.

No karma is created in the lower species of life in the material creation or the heavenly and hellish planetary systems.

There are only the reactions to one's deeds "pious or impious", while in the rare human bodily form on this Earth Burloka, can create karma.

In the human form, the embodied jiva soul must take responsibility for their actions.

Also because material time is divided into past, present and future, each material bodily container experiences birth, youth, disease, middle age, old age and death.

Material time means one's existence is in a constant progression of decline and decomposition, nothing lasts in the material creation, everything eventually fades away in oblivion.

Eventually in the material creation, the trapped jiva soul becomes frustrated with the temporary nature of material life, and the constant changing of material bodies due to them always being in a state decline and decomposition, causing them to eventually wear out due to this decay, then eventually cease to function.

This leads to rebirth or the cycle of birth and death.

The trapped jiva soul therefore can choose to escape the material creation and enter the impersonal Brahmajyoti effulgence and hover inactively their in a dormant state for billions of years if they want.

However, merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman as an individual inactive impersonal formless spark, is artificial and only temporary.

Even if one foolishly believes it's for eternity or one's original position, then they are being decieved. No, the impersonal Brahmajyoti is NOT the jiva souls's original position or source.

The impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is a fallen condition the jiva souls eventually falls too from their originally position in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, no jiva soul originates from this nonsense inactive "clear sheet of consciousness" within the impersonal brahman or Brahmajyoti.

They first fall to the material creation and take birth, then after millions of years of being frustrated with the temporary nature of material existence, they can fall further thinking it is liberation by merging into the impersonal Brahmajyoti (Brahman effulgence)

Eventually ALL jiva souls fall out of the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman effulgence too because it is NOT permanent, nor is it one's original position or home as already explained. 

The fallen jiva soul then again takes birth in lower species of material life.

From there, they have to progress within 8 million 4 hundred thousand  species of life, moving through the cycle of birth and death for millions of bodies, taking millions of years, until they again get back to the human species of life.

Only in the human material bodily vessel can the jiva soul again have the opportunity to realize "their full potential" as a spiritual individual person and form (vigraha) originally from Vaikuntha by living under the guidance and direction of a bonafide Spiritual Master like Srila Prabhupada, who can take the fallen jiva soul back home, back to Godhead.

Fortunately for most jiva souls or marginal living entities, over 90%, according to Srila Prabhupada, NEVER make this foolish troublesome choice and enter the mundane decaying material creation of constant suffering and experiencing repeates birth and death.

The following is from the Book "Teachings of Lord Caitanya"-

Srila Prabhupada - "There are forms of Kṛṣṇa that are a little different from His original form, and these are called tad-ekātma-rūpa forms. 

These may be further divided into the vilāsa and svāṁśa forms, which in turn have many different features and can be divided into prābhava and vaibhava forms.

As far as the vilāsa forms are concerned, there are innumerable prābhava-vilāsas, headed by Kṛṣṇa's expansions as-

Vāsudeva, 

Saṅkarṣaṇa, 

Pradyumna,

Aniruddha. 

Sometimes the Lord thinks of Himself as a cowherd boy, and sometimes He thinks of Himself as Vasudeva's son, a kṣatriya prince, and this "thinking" of Kṛṣṇa is called His "pastimes." 

Actually, Krishna is in the same form in His vaibhava-prakāśa and prābhava-vilāsa, but He appears differently as Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma" (Teachings of Lord Caitanya)

Percentages of Krishna's 64 qualities that others have mathematically work out as follows -

Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva Forms of the Lord have 60 qualities.

So how much is 60 qualities out of 64 qualities written as a percentage exactly?

Convert fraction (ratio) 60/64

Answer: 93.75%

Shiva-tattva - How much is 54 out of 64 written as a percentage?

Convert fraction (ratio) 54/64

Answer: 84.375%

Jiva-tattva - How much is 50 out of 64 written as a percentage?

Convert fraction (ratio) 50/64

Answer: 78.125%

Lord Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Krishna is the ORIGINAL Form of God from whom ALL His Vishnu and Narayana forms expand from.

This means the only difference between Srimati Radharani and Krishna, and Lord Balarama and Krishna, is Lord Krishna IS the Supreme Personality of Godhead and ORIGINAL cause of all causes, and has an extra 4 qualities MORE than both Radharani and Balarama (His Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva expansions).

Therefore, not even Srimati Radharani or Balarama (Krishna's older brother) have 64 unique qualities like Krishna, they also have only 60 qualities which is 93.75% of Krishna's 64 qualities that is 100%.

Lets make this easy to understanding -

Lord Krishna has 64 qualities which is "exactly" 100% of those unique set qualities.

Vishnu-tattva and Vishnu-sakti-tattva have 60 qualities or "exactly" 93.75%.

Shiva-tattva has 54 qualities or "exactly" 84.375%.

Jiva-tattva has 50 qualities or "exactly" 78.125%..**..