The origin of the jiva-soul and free will explained.

Srila Prabhupada - “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, then that is NOT independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krishna give us free will if He knew we may miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down, that is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna rotect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, “You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said - "If you catch one girl or boy and demand you love me, you love me, you love me, is that love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver - you love me otherwise I will kill you! That is not love; that is threatening." Real Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna in the spiritual world, there’s no return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary, return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, 'Oh, this material world is very nice, yes,' Krsna says, 'yes, you go there. So, they want to enjoy this material world.' Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, 'All right, you enjoy like this.' Just like some of our students, Krsna conscious, sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will. 

Just like one goes to the prison house, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He leaves because of his free will; then again comes out, like that. 

Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare, nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare. 

The police are there, if you do anything criminal, immediately you will be arrested, under police custody. The maya may be there, but maya captures him who is NOT remembering he is a devotee of Krsna. Therefore, Krsna says, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te: "Anyone who surrenders unto Me, maya does not interfere anymore."

Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these material bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural spiritual position?"

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are Majority of 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material world all the living entities are in the prison house, but the material world is not where the majority of souls are. They are NOT majority. Just like in a city here, the majority of the population, are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living beings, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world, only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time, but there is the tendency of fall down, not for most, because there is independence so there is the possibility. Most choose to NOT misuse their independence. But still we see the government is constructing the city and also constructs the prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal so their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, "Where is the criminal? You are constructing." Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is…?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes."

Dr. John Mize – "From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, 

yathecchasi tathä kuru. 

Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is. lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-soul take birth in the material world in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema-vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare

nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

We are eternal servant of Krsna. As soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. 

We have got independence. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah—we are part and parcel of Krsna—so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence. 

Our business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea and want to become master, that is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture SB, Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2-Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never returns to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return, that is voluntary. " 

Acyutananda - "He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk, Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Also existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the NON-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

The following Conversation took place in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples.

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there. But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go. All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. However if you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?

Answer - It is not based on a place you can never fall down from that will keep you in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, it does not work that way because it is based on free will which is ‘’your choice’’ in reciprocation with Krsna. If we are forced to love Krsna, then how can there be genuine love?

Loving relationships are always a two way street based on reciprocation and loving exchanges, it is never a slave domineering master relationship that only destroys one's free will and sense of individual self.

Remaining in Vaikuntha "eternally" is also based on the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) unique selflessness, loving exchanges with Krsna and free will to also choose.

And of course, most importantly being able to freely choose individual "loving" personal exchanges and contributions as an offering while serving the Lord as the perpetual "person" the jiva souls are eternally.

No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character when engaging in loving exchanges with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are two-persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So, if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran) 

With such selfless emotions of loving devotion, the jiva-soul NEVER loses their free will, which means their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual jiva-souls (jiva-tattva)

Each jiva-soul has this eternal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution of being an individual jiva-soul eternally.

HERE HERE HERE HERE HERE 

In this way, each of the jiva-soul's have their own individual sense of self, character and personality and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky, unlike any other jiva-soul.

Again it is important to understand that no two jiva-souls are the same.

This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of individual self, make up the character and personality of each jiva-soul that is without any beginning or ending point, and is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.

This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent PERSONS serving Krsna in the spiritual world.

Free will means, it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna, or even not surrender if they choose however, more than 90% of jiva-souls NEVER choose to leave the spiritual world, only less than 10% foolishly choose to enter the material creation Prabhupada tells us.

It is also their choice of what THEY want to offer and contribute to the Lord, which is the very best from their personal unique abilities and talents they voluntarily choose to selflessly offer to Krsna.

But also each jiva-soul knows it pleases Krsna the most by humbly and selflessly serving the servants of the servants of Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha.

This "selflessness" of serving the servant of the servant of Krsna is the highest realization of love of God.

The fact that one does NOT fall from God's personal Kingdom, is the jiva-souls personal responsibility and choice, and NOT Gods (Krsna).

It is the jiva-souls choice, it is their free will that allows them to choose, and nobody else including Krsna, interferes with that choice. This is because Krsna NEVER forces us to love Him.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently'', God says, “All right, you can go and enjoy”. (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun cannot be separated from the sun-rays, similarly Krsna is meaningless without the association of His loving devotees.

And in Krsna Book Prabhupada also further explains -

Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated." (Krsna Book, 89)

The relationship between Krsna and the jiva-soul is NEVER one-sided, never forced, never impersonal, it is ALWAYS reciprocal, nurturing, personal and voluntary, in a mood of good exchanges and feelings, ONLY then can there be REAL love.

Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago-

"If you love me, then I will love you."

As an example that there must always be loving cooperation and responding in kindness.

The fact is over 90% of jiva-souls choose NOT fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana. 

That "choice" is always there with the jiva-souls eternally.

The jiva-souls or have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities, or 50 of His 64 qualities and puts them in the realm of having their own "sense of independent self, identity, personality, individuality, and the ability to voluntarily choose for themselves. 

This means the jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna if they choose.