Sunday, September 19, 2021

It is VERY important to understand the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are "PERSONS" who have their own unique individuality and personality different from Krsna's Personality but simultaneously dependent on Krsna who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. .

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are "PERSONS" with their own unique individual "feelings", who ALWAYS eternally have the right of self expression in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of Krsna (God).

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals.

Why? Because of misuse of free will.

However, unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Krsna allows "free will" for the purpose of supporting and encouraging the individual jiva-souls personal unique voluntary contributions and offerings, that can ONLY be experienced in a "two-way" relationship of willing exchanges, where the jiva-souls exhibit their own unique loving expressions, that Krsna does NOT interfere with.

If He did, then how can voluntary love be genuine and personal?

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Free will is never surrendered in the Spiritual World as some fools believe because without free will there can NEVER be love.

Surrender must be voluntary that includes personal unique (your own individual offerings) contributions.

Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-souls natural constitutional make-up and therefore ALWAYS exists without beginning or end on all the Spiritual Planets.

Although free will in its full potential is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan (the Spiritual Worlds), which is the jiva-soul's original perpetual home.

The material creation is an alien unnatural environment for the jiva-souls and they should not be there in the material creation or the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The relationship with Krsna is NEVER a one-way dictatorship, it is never impersonal, one's relationship with Krsna is always based on reciprocation and loving exchanges.

The jiva-souls in their full potential in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever choosing to expand their individual expression of personal offerings to Krsna in their relationship with Him.

Such a relationship is NEVER impersonal, one-sided or one-way because Krsna always reciprocates with such genuine loving effection with His devotees.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Real love can NEVER exist on a "one-way or one-sided" impersonal path, where that one-sided affair only allows a "none contributing" version of so called "surrender" to Krsna (God).

This kind of impersonal "surrender" only "extinguishes" the jiva-soul's individuality, free-will, and their ability to contribute or provide offerings in their own unique way.

From personal "self chosen contributions" from the jiva-souls separate from Krsnas, that make the relationship a two-way mystery exchange that further enrich, intensify and expand loving exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Such personal unique contributions by the jiva-soul's "expressions from free will", forever expands their personal ability to make voluntary offerings that forever increase their loving emotions for Krsna in a healthy "two-way" exchange of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

Love or service is ALWAYS a "two-way" exchange of feelings, it is NEVER one-way or one-sided affair because as said above, relationships expressed in a "one-sided" dominance without having mutal loving exchanges between two, is NOT love at all, it is impersonalism.

Loving service can only really exist when the conditioned jīva-souls are trained up to eventually reach their full potential as Kṛṣṇa’s pure devotee where they express their constitutional right as a "marginal living entity" to reciprocate with Kṛṣṇa in a two-way exchange.

Only then can love or service be genuinely expressed in a natural "two-way" relationship of based on reciprocal exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

The jiva-souls in their original position have the same bodily features like Krsna has in Vṛndāvana.

1 - Sat - Eternal

2 - Cit - Have all knowledge

3 - Ananda - Always blissful

4 - Vigraha - ARE an eternal bodily form with no beginning point, and will NEVER end.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsnas.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.

Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.

Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary.

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body.

That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

A relationship ‘between two’ can ONLY experience love, and that is why Kṛṣṇa gave the jīva-souls their freedom (free will) in the first place.

The full expression or potential of the individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) is only fully expressed, experienced and realized in the spiritual worlds by expressing their free will in full, and NOT while in a temporary material bodily vessel in the restricted temporary material worlds (Brahmanda universes).

Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa is enriched and further enhanced by the jīva-soul’s personal unique loving voluntary contributions of unique service Prabhupāda taught us.

Such unique voluntary service increases, enriches and magnifies the relationship of loving exchanges and reciprocation eternally between Kṛṣṇa and the jīva-souls in a two-way exchange of feelings.

Kṛṣṇa gave the jīva-souls their freedom (free will) for this purpose of establishing a ‘two-way’ voluntary relationship so they can express personal unique loving feelings experienced differently with each individual jīva-soul in their relationship with Krsna.

The fact is, real freedom, or experiencing the full potential of one's (the jīva-souls) personality, is ONLY fully experienced in Goloka Vṛndāvana and Vaikuṇṭha where no one is forced to do anything.

This is because our loving relationship with Kṛṣṇa in the spiritual world is NEVER founded on a demanding forceful relationship with Kṛṣṇa where one is always told what to do, and just obey without personal voluntary contributions (offerings) and intelligent inquiry.

The fact is, mindless impersonal emotionless surrender to a so called God or Spiritual Master, without being encouraged or nurtured to participate in a reciprocal relationship by making personal contributions or offerings, is impersonalism.

Such a ‘one-sided’ impersonal dominant relationship, where the jīva-soul’s personality and character are artificially restricted and suppressed by only being told what to do without personal input, is Mayavadi dictatorial nonsense.

Under such impersonal conditions of being denied the spiritual right of self determination, the jiva-soul's natural constitution of self-expression that allows them to choose for themselves what to contribution or offer to Kṛṣṇa, is replaced by a "one-way emotionless dictatorship" of being told what to do, what to offer and how to think.

No, the spiritual worlds are NOT loveless and impersonal like that.

Śrīla Prabhupāda - "Love means two persons. . . I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love . . . So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there" – (Evening darśana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)

Love or genuine selfless service is ALWAYS based on a ‘two-way’ exchange of feelings, this means each jīva-soul provides their own individual contributions of personal inputs as an expression of their own independent individuality and free will.

Śrīla Prabhupāda - "Kṛṣṇa does not want to become a lover at the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" – (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.) **













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