No jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move to being under His authority and enter His dreams on their journey to the material creation.

All material bodily vessels in the material creation originate from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

Such material bodily containers are an instant alternative for those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who reject serving Krsna in Goloka-Vrndavana and Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets. 

Therefore such material bodily vessels are provided by Maha Visnu to those individual jiva-souls who can no longer stay in the Spiritual planets because of their rejection of Krsna and Visnu.

No jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move to being under His authority and enter His dreams on their journey to the material creation.

There are unlimited material bodily vessels within the dreams of Maha-Visnu available to those jiva-souls who have chosen to enter Maha-Visnu's material creation after choosing to leave Vaikuntha.

And the jiva-souls (marginal living entities), just like Krsna, were NEVER created! Each jiva-soul has no origin as Bhagavad Gita explains.

The jiva-souls have existed for "infinity" which means they are beginningless and endless and were NEVER created.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is "1983 correct edition," Ch 2 text 20-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "correct" edition)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Although their REAL home is always in either the Vaikuntha planets of Lord Visnu, or Krsna's central planet of Goloka Vrindavana, and NOT living in the temporary mundane material creation.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material past, present and future, all exist simultaneously.

Srila Prabhupada – “This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes –

“This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – “Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature.” (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada – “Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream.” (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)

Srila Prabhupada – “Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams” (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

The material bodily roadway or pathway is where the jiva-soul moves through the past, to the present, and then to the future, from its start (birth) to its end (death)

These realities of Maha-Visnu's dreaming material creations CAN be rewinded, they CAN be fast forwarded but they can NEVER be changed because they are already Maha-Visnu's dreams. 

Each material bodily vessel's pathway is already set in stone from its beginning to its end, this means each material bodily "pathway" that the visiting jiva-soul travels through, comes from the already "dreamed" dreams of Maha-Visnu and can only be lived through and can never be changed (hence, set in stone).

The visiting jiva-souls who enter the material creation and obtain (hire) a material bodily "blue-print" from Maha-Visnu's dreams, are already a "hired" reality from its beginning, to its end that simultaneously matches the jiva-soul's desires.  

This is why once the jiva-soul has entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams, nothing in that bodily pathway can be changed because Maha-Visnu has already dreamed that parhway.

Also each material bodily pathway is repeatedly available and continuously re-occupied by other visiting jiva-souls who have also chosen to enter the temporary material creation.

All material bodies are chosen or awarded from Maha-Visnu's collection of material bodily vessels from within His permanent volt of dreams.

This means all material bodily vessels are like costumes "hired" from a Costume shop owner Maha-Visnu.

All of one's choices and expressions of "free will" are factored in before one is given a particular material bodily vessel to enter the material creation.

Maha-Visnu sees all this because He is God and knows past, present and future.

There is always "free will" however, each material bodies destiny is already mapped out AS the dreams of Maha-Visnu explained above.

"Free will" always exists in the spiritual worlds and allows the jiva-souls to except or even reject Krsna by choosing to leave. 

Then the mistaken desires of the rebellious jiva-soul, chooses a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's "library of dreams" to enter His material creation, already knowing and agreeing to its entire pathway or journey.

This means the jiva-soul's ability to express "free will" is already factored into the equation of the destiny of the material bodily vessel one has chosen.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is Chapter 11 Text 7-

"O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place."

Srila Prabhupada  - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe.

But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. 

Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING." (BG, As It Is Ch 11 Text 7)

The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā".

Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand -

1 - What was in the past,

2 - What there shall be in the future,

3 - And what is at present.

Srila Prabhupada - ''So the point is that five thousand years ago the things which were written for this age, how they are coming to be true in our experience. That is the point: how they could see past, present, and future so nicely.

The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.

Tri means three, and kāla means time.

Time is experienced by three ways: past, present and future. Time limitation, past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.

So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present.

Just like in the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says,

"My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained.

Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, "and present." So that is yogic power. One CAN know past, present, and future." (SB Canto 12 Ch 2 text 1 San Francisco, March 18, 1968)

There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity through material space and time, we have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 50 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the Western World.

The movement of space-time in the temporary material creation is eternally divided into past, present and future, but ONLY while the jiva-souls are in these material universes.

Being "temporary" means past, present and future (material time). An in the spiritual worlds there is only the "permanence" of the "eternal presence of Krsna"

All material bodily vessels or bodily containers are part and parcel of material time and space that governs this temporary material creation that takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky (matter)

The other 3/4s of the Spiritual Sky are the permanent eternally youthful Spiritual Worlds (anti-matter)

In the material creation we are simply the passengers riding on/in this material energy/bodies.

The individual marginal living entities or jiva-souls possess a material bodily vessel as its passengers.

All these material bodily vessels are given to the jiva-souls by Maha Visnu according to their desires and eventual reactions of acting out those desires (pious and impious actions performed in their material bodily vessel)

From the viewpoint of Maha Visnu and great sages, they see past, present and future in the material creation all exist simultaneously.

Just like from above one can see the beginning, middle and end of a long winding roadway.

And also, even with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul), would eventually repeat themselves again over the span of eternity because every combination of material elements would be exhausted and would eventually again repeat themselves over an eternity if the jiva-soul chooses tond remain in the material creation.

This is possible because the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal.

Therefore even though the material energy in its many forms is temporary and decays, the material energy itself is eternal reappearing.

Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha-Visnu's dreams, still be happening today somewhere in the universe's division of space-time inside another Brahmanda universe, with another individual jiva-soul playing that same part?"

The answer is yes, infact that is exactly what's going on.

This is because past, present and future are happening "always" (simultaneously) and are a permanent fixture of the fabric of material energy.

This means all material bodily vessel are like a permanent 'POST' or roadway that many can experience its journey.

Just like Lord Brahma's material body is also a POST that many jiva-souls can experience if qualified to attain the material body of Brahma.

This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are offered only if they deserve it.

To be qualified for any material bodily vessel one must be trained up and simultaneously have corresponding desires to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel they deserve or desire.

In all cases, once in the material creation, the jiva-souls takes a material body created by Maha-Visnu that simultaneously matches their own karma (past good and bad actions)

It is also seems to some that the material universe of material bodily containers or vessels are repeating itself, except with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels. 

They call this "eternal reoccurrence"

But NO, that is NOT what is going on, there is only permanent roadways (all material bodily vessel pathways) the jiva-souls are eternally travelling through.

This means EVERYTHING already exists eternally and the jiva-souls just move through that permanent pathway of material energy.

As said above, there are some who believe this is the same as a "repeating material universe of eternal reoccurrence" but no, this is NOT what is happening.

This is because the material energy is an eternal roadway of space-time" that perpetually exists as a permanent pathway of material energy where unlimited jiva-souls traverse along as the passengers of that pathway of material energy.

This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future like the different points on roadway are also always exists.

In other words, if one can observe past, present and future of the material energy (meaning the different stages from birth to old age of the material bodily vessel) it would look like a permanent pathway the jiva-souls are passing through continuously like one passes over a road that is permanently there.

Therefore it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact they are not.

The jiva-souls are entering a permanent pathway in the fixture of material energy which exists eternally.

Everything is temporary in the material creation and in a constant state of decay and experienced that way as one moves along the pathway.

This is because of the movement of past, present and future that has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.

In the spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana, only the "eternal presence" of Krsna exists with no concept of past or future and therefore there is no impermanence or decay there.

This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana the eternal Kingdoms of God.

The Temporary material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-souls enters as a passenger (covered by).

When these material bodily vessels wears out and decays, they break down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy.

Only the jiva-souls who uncovered by material energy, are a perpetual spiritual (anti-matter) bodily form (vigraha) and NEVER decays.

The jiva-souls eternally remains an individual PERSON separate from the mundane material creation, even though covered by its decaying material marial energy in the form of material bodily vessels.

Therefore, the material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists ALL at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement material time like Maha-Visnu sees.

This means that all material bodily vessels (material energy), like yours and mine we occupy, are all a permanent fixture of the material energy owned by Maha Visnu.

Such material vessels originate from His dreams of the material universe that are eternally existing through the continuous flow of material space-time as explained above.

All such material bodily vessels exist in Maha-Visnu's "library of material dreams" available to be "hired" to those jiva-souls who have chosen to visit His material creation after choosing to leave the spiritual planets.

So as said above, it is the constant flow of material space-time of past,  present and future (material energy) that is seemingly repeating itself as the material bodily vessels.

But again NO, there is no repetition or eternal reoccurrence going on, there is ONLY the constant movement of jiva-souls travelling on a permanent roadway or pathway that ETERNALLY exists for unlimited jiva-souls to travel on.

Only by through the fabric of material space-time do we experience each stage of the "NOW" (past, present and future)

But in actual fact all past, present and future eternally exist together.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.

Keep in mind, the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are almost inconceivable to understand, even when Arjuna viewed past, present and future simultaneously, being able to see that EVERYTHING, past, present and future, was existing in the NOW, he was scared and confused because he was seeing his own future and the future of his family.

And the reason he could see his future is because it is already existing due to the entire roadway of past, present and future ALWAYS existing as a pathway (explained above)

Only by understanding this we can realise time travel into the past or future IS possible.

This means one is just traveling through what is already there, what already exists.

Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, the material bodily vessel we are now in is a 'POST' that is always existing for jiva-souls to enter and experience.

This means material time and space is permanently recorded and ALWAYS exists AS the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This also means we take our next birth in a material bodily vessel that already eternally exists in the past, present and future time zone explained above, where the jiva-soul moves though the stages of past, present and future, experiencing each moment of "NOW", meaning birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age, death of the material vessel the jiva-soul is "moving through".

That further means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway in its different stages of childhood, youth, middle age, old age etc of that material body, already exists in its time zone because each material bodies time zone is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the Maha-tattva (material creation).

What we are learning here, is all the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are all happening "NOW" which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we only move through the different time stages of a material bodily vessel that exists in its past, the present or the future time zone.

The dreams (material pathways) of Maha-Visnu are eternal.

The material energy is all one but NOT the life force (jiva-souls) that are individual PERSONS as Prabhupada has taught us.

This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that IS also all the material bodily species are also material energy.

Such philosophy is called impersonalism, their ideas are wrong and dangerous.

So to be clear in the material creation everything in under the movement time (past, present and future) already exists, like a long winding roadway already exists from its beginning to its end.

This means the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, the individual jiva-soul possess and enters, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that material bodily vessel for it's journey.

In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in those material bodily vessels they admire, after being trained up and qualified to take that birth, which in itself would take many, many, many births just for that opportunity to be that famous "material body" for one insignificant life time, similar to Paul McCartney, John Lennon, Elvis Presley, J.F Kennedy, Hitler, Stalin, Bill Gates etc. etc

What an ignorant selfish waste of time compared to just choosing to return home back to Godhead and be in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, the jiva-soul's REAL home.

If those jiva-souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous wealthy materialistic bodily existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the material heavenly planets.

All material bodily vessels are "POSTS" in the material creation that must be deserved and qualified to experience.

Usually the most pious living entity in each material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifeasts.

In the same way; we are all awarded with a material bodily vessel according to our past pious and impious activities known as karma.

All individual living entities (jiva-souls) who understand the fabric of space-time, know each jiva-soul is moving along the many stages of the roadway representing past, present and future (also the pathway of each material bodily vessel)

However, from above just like one sees the entire journey of a roadway, one is able to see the beginning, middle and end, all at once of that pathway.

This means "materially" one can see all past, present and future existing together, and its every twist and turn on that roadway.

The explanation in the above essay is correctly suggesting that all material bodily vessels are like "permanent" fixture or pathway (real but temporary) that ETERNALLY exists in the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

As said above, this may give the impression of eternal repetition but no, the material universe is in a constant state that is ABOVE the movement of past, present and future that the jiva-souls only experience by moving or flowing through the material energy existence of the fabric of past, present and future.

In other words, moving along the pathway of twists and turns on the  road is compared to the jiva-soul experiencing the birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age and death of the material bodily vessel the jiva-souls are in.

This birth, youth, middle age and death DOES eternally repeat itself, but ONLY because of the material fabric of time (past, present and future), that is continuously existing with the constant flow of visiting jiva-souls passing through it.

In other words, what is seen from above (the entire roadway) the movement of all material time ARE Maha-Visnu's eternal dreams existing simultaneously and always available for lease to those jiva-souls who choose to enter Maha-Visnu's material creation.

This means all past, present and future are ALWAYS existing simultaneously to Maha-Visnu.

So clearly there is a constant flow of material space-time (past, present and future) and opens the way for others jiva-souls to also traverse the same permanent fixture of the material energy (roadway) and experience the same material body billions of other jiva-souls have passed through (along this pathway).

The material bodily vessels, pathways or containers we are in/on, are always the property of Maha-Visnu that are "hired out" to any jiva-soul qualified, but will always remain part and parcel of His dreaming material creation,  available for other jiva-souls to also obtain to experience His material creation.

In Maha-Visnu's dreams, every scenario conceivable is possible and is ALREADY existing and available for lease to any visiting jiva-souls who qualify from their own desires.

Leasing the material dreams of Maha-Visnu's are similar to visiting a "costume shop" that is full of many different costumes (material bodily pathways) that the jiva-soul can choose to "hire" and possess.

Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation must go to the costume shop of material bodily vessels for hire (dress shop) that are all from the dreams of the sleeping Maha-Visnu.

And then choose which material bodily vessel they want to enter as an attempt to imitate Krsna and enjoy separate from Krsna.

This is where the jiva-souls are offered a particular material bodily vessel by Maha-Visnu according to their material desires, so they can enter into the material creation with a suitable material body that is in accordance with their own material desires.

Maha-Visnu always owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel of His material creation that He is dreaming.

Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu's "library of dreams" and choose a material bodily vessel from His unlimited dreams of all material affairs.

Everything conceivable material bodily vessel or container exists in Maha-Visnu's dreams, every scenario is possible as said above, no matter how strange or bizarre it is, ALL realities already exists in the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This means all that there is and all that there will be, every combination of material existence possible, ALREADY exists in His dreams.

It is the material bodily vessels (coming from Maha-Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls in all the billions of Brahmanda universes coming from Maha-Visnu, must choose from, just like one chooses from a variety of costumes from a Fancy dress store for hire.

Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna, there is a different set of rules here.

The fact is, Arjuna is always with Krsna in innumerable different material universes at one time, and there is only one jiva-soul who is Arjuna.

The individual jiva-soul who surrenders to Krsna, CAN expand or project their consciousness into many different material bodies at the same time and still be just the "one jiva-soul" in all those material bodies.

Advanced yogis can also do this but limited to eight expansions 

This is achieved because the "one" individual jiva-soul expands himself into up to 8 different material bodily vessels or containers.

As said above, yogis can also project their consciousness and be in 8 different material bodies at one time.

But this is NOT the case with every material bodily vessel in the material creation! Only some rare jiva-souls (yogis) can possess more than one material bodily vessels at once.

This is NOT the case with the billions of different Lord Brahmas who are each in their small material universe that is deep within the greater Brahmanda universal shell.

In each case each Lord Brahma is occupied by a different jiva-soul.

So as said above, in every material bodily vessel of Lord Brahma, there is a different jiva-soul every time Maha-Visnu creates all the billions of Brahmanda universes in the material creation.

All the different Brahmas are NOT the same "jiva-souls", there are billions of different jiva-souls who can become a Brahma in all the different material univeses that are deep inside each outer Brahmanda universe that comes from the Body of Maha-Visnu.

There are those who believe the material universe is continuously repeating itself each time Maha Visnu creates the material Brahmanda universes, but is that true?

Actually, it only "seems" that way because in true reality everything that is, and can be, already exists within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This means the material universe, including all bodily vessels, are continuously existing with an endless flow of individual jiva-souls possessing those material bodies by passing through them like one passes over a roadway.

Therefore it only "seems" the material universe is repeating itself when in actual fact it is complete like travelling on a roadway.

This is also because each material bodily vessel or container eternally exists within the material dreams of Maha Visnu that can be leased out by any visiting jiva-soul with correspondence desires, and is therefore a permanent "POST" that "always" exists as a "pathway" for visiting jiva-souls to simply travel through while in the material creation.

Remember all these material bodily containers ARE a creation coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu.

It is therefore the jiva-souls that move through the journey of material existence in a material body on the pathway of birth, youth, middle age, disease, old age and death and then again rebirth if one fails to get out of this temporary material mundane world of repeated birth and death.

Being in a material bodily vessel or container is being on the pathway or road that leads to a one's destination.

The fact is, all "pathways" have always existed and many other jiva-souls have also experienced the same road. 

In other words, there is always a flow of jiva-souls experiencing the road journey of material bodily containers or vessels coming from the dreams of Maha Visnu

This is what is really happening in the material creation instead of eternal repetition or reoccurrence.

Material bodily vessels are always "moving" under the material energies fabric of space-time (past, present and future) through birth, youth, disease, old age, and death on the "roadway' of material existence.

This process "seemingly repeats" itself again and again when the material universes are created again by Maha Visnu, but as explained above that is NOT what is really going on.

As explained above, there is no eternal reoccurrence going on where the material universe repeats itself, no it is not like that but rather the fabric of material energy is in the form of a permanent long and winding pathway that is a stable fixture of the material universe that the individual jiva-souls pass along and through.

The fact is, all material bodily vessels are the dreams of Maha-Visnu and are a permanent fixture or POST existing "AS" the dreams of Maha Visnu that the visiting jiva-souls simply move through, like one moves on a roadway or pathway that ALWAYS remains there for other jiva-souls to pass on/though.

Another way of looking at this-

Just like in society there exists fancy dress shops where one can go and lease out costumes to experience a particular play (material reality).

Similarly in the material creation every material bodily vessel conceivable exists within Maha Visnu's "fancy dress shop of material costumes" (His dreams) that one can lease from Maha Visnu. 

All such "realities" from His dreams are available to all visiting jiva-souls for lease.

Therefore each time the material universe is again manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters those pathways of material bodily costumes the jiva-souls wear/pass through.

In other words, just like the costumes in a fancy dress rental shop, all material bodily vessels in the material universe are provided to all jiva-souls who enter the material creation.

Therefore each material bodily "costume" (vessel) is a permanent "POST" coming from Maha Visnu's dream that provides the material bodily experiences of birth, youth, disease, old age and death.

These material vessels or costumes always remains the property of Maha Visnu's dreams and are only "leased out" to the visiting jiva-souls who choose to enter the material creation.

The cycle of this temporary material existence continues on eternally, with the continuous flow of "jiva-souls" appearing on each material bodily pathway at the beginning of that material bodies starting point on the roadway, and then experience its journey along the pathway until its end.

As said above, the pathway always remains the same and only the jiva soul experience birth, childhood,  disease, old age and death as they move along that pathway in a material bodily vessel.

Each time the material universe travels through the movement of past, present and future, it "seemingly" repeats itself with a different batch of jiva-souls who enter the pathways of material bodily vessels ("POST") provided by Maha Visnu's dreams.

This means the material creation created by Maha Visnu, is ALWAYS the exact same material creation, but only seems it is changing because of the movement of material time (past, present and future) 

Within each material bodily vessel, exists a different individual jiva-soul playing that part, different from the previous jiva-souls who played that exact same roll in the previous movement of space-time.

The material bodily vessels are a fixed fabric of the material universes past, present and future and there is no repetition going on.

In other words past, present and future, like the beginning, middle and end of a roadway, are eternally existing just like a roadway seen above exists from its beginning, middle and end.

However, the anti-matter "jiva-soul" is NOT the material bodily vessel. 

The material bodily vessel is only like a garment covering the jiva-soul who is a passenger in that outer garment or material body.

One's relationship with Krsna is NEVER impersonal, nor did the jiva-souls originate from some nonsense impersonal beginning (impersonal Brahmajyoti).

The word "tatastha-sakti" refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their FALLEN conditioned state in both the material creation and when dormant in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The "marginal living entities" ARE a collective of eternal jiva-souls without any beginning point who are spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (both Spiritual Worlds and material worlds) 

Those jiva-souls who have made the choice to enter the temporary decomposing material creation, can later, due to the frustration of material life, enter an inactive dormant state within the Brahmajyoti (the impersonal aspect of Brahman). 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are known in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti as tatastha sakti but NOT in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada explains here.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the Spiritual Worlds are the Personal (Vaikuntha) characteristics." (New York, December 28, 1966)

Revatīnandana - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen. Still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Room Conversation August 17, 1971, London)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness.'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

In the jiva-souls original state, they have the same bodily features like Krsna, sat-cit-ananda-vigraha (eternity, knowledge, bliss and FORM.

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two arm form like Krsna's Form.

Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”

Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.

Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”

Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.

Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”

Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. 

Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. 

If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are a collective of an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls who are eternal, meaning they have ALWAYS existed but, as said above, they are only called tatastha-sakti while "conditioned" in the material creation and impersonal Brahmajyoti.

As said above, the jiva-souls were NEVER created or created from any origin (starting point) because there is NO origin of the jiva-souls, they have ALWAYS existed without beginning or end.

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is ALWAYS part and parcel within their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want, this is also what free will allows and if it didn't, then they have no free will.

This is why it is foolish and sad that big big sannyasi and gurus claim once entering the Spiritual Worlds the jiva-souls can never fall down again.

No, they CAN fall down again and again if choose to do so. 

And such fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy), it is simply free will.

The fact is Maya or material energy does NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana (The Kingdom of God).

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows love to be a "two-way" street, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes", but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will. (Excerpt from: Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

So the proper understanding is the marginal living entities, energy or potency (jiva-souls) are known in the material conditioned state as "tatastha-sakti" but NOT referred to by that name in their original Spiritual bodily form (vigraha) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

The jiva-souls (marginal potency) were NOT created from a nonsense "clear sheet of consciousness" either.  

This is because they have ALWAYS existed everywhere (sarva-gatah means life is everywhere) 

Bhagavad Gita As It Is (1983 edition) Chapter 2 Text 20 confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created and have no origin-

The jiva-souls have existed for "infinity" which means they are beginningless and endless and were NEVER created.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is "1983 correct edition", Chapter 2 text 20-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "correct" edition)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The jiva-souls may FALL to an "inactive" or dormant state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they certainly did NOT originate from there.

Even entering the impersonal Brahmajyoti or Brahman is also only temporary relief for the jiva-souls as explained above, who entered there to escape the suffering and pain of being embodied in the material world in the cycle of repeated birth and death.

In fact the fallen jiva-soul can stay in the impersonal Brahmajyoti for a very, very, very long time, so long a time that some foolishly believe it is where they originated from after emerging from there as also explained above.

It should be made clear the dormant inactive aspect of the Brahmajyoti is NOT the origin of the jiva-soul, it is actually a fallen state.

The fact is, the individual jiva-souls do not originate from anywhere including the impersonal Brahmajyoti because they have ALWAYS existed as part and parcel of the "marginal plane collective" of Krsna's energies that are individual souls spread throughout the entire Spiritual Sky (material and Spiritual Worlds).

The way the jiva-souls first entered the material creation is they came down from Vaikunthaloka or Goloka Vrindavana by choice (free will).

Srila Prabhupada - “We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago.” (Lecture on Bhagavad-gita on August 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa das, 1970)

As said above, the marginal potency or plane is a collective of eternal individual jiva-souls that always have existed without beginning or end.

The jiva-souls are eternal PERSON without any beginning point, nor will they ever cease to be.

Prabhupada says in the first record Album he made in New York in December 1966, that we’re all originally Krsna conscious entities. 

And as said above, we are NOT originally impersonal, and the marginal potency isn’t a place that the jiva-souls comes from. 

Also there is always "free will" on all the Spiritual Planets including Goloka Vrindavana. 

So, if we came to this material world due to our choice to leave the Spiritual world, that does NOT mean we had to know what all other options were. 

The simply choice to leave means one wants to explore their options, and this means they do NOT know what the material universe even is.

So how could one say the jiva-soul chose the material world, when the jiva-soul didn’t know what the material world was?

No it is not like that.

The real meaning of all this is one's choices and desires ALWAYS exist, but by rejecting Krsna, those SAME choices and desires become "self centred" and no long Krsna centred.

It is that "original choice of rejecting Krsna" that takes the jiva-soul out of the Spiritual Worlds and eventually places them in the material creation without even knowing what the material world is.

The jiva-souls ALWAYS have their own desires and choices of what they want to do with Krsna in the Spiritual Worlds, but now those same desires are no longer Krsna  centred, they are self centred when one chooses to reject Krsna. 

So when separate from Krsna, they simple put themselves in the center instead of Krsna.

The desires remain the same.

All the desires of the jiva-souls (choices) to serve Kṛṣṇa are now independent from Krsna meaning Krsna is no longer in the center. 

After all the jīva-souls choose to leave the spiritual planets because they now want to imitate Krsna and be in His place.

In the spiritual worlds everything is already known therefore it is NOT like when you go to a restaurant and order something from a menu you have no knowledge of. 

No, the spiritual worlds are NOT like that, only the material creation is like that.

Every desire (choice) that does not include Krsna, is already on the "menu of choices" in the Spiritual Worlds and also eternally exist AS the "dreams" (in blue-print) of Maha-Visnu for those who want to experience those same choices independent Krsna.

In order for us to make a fair choice, we ALREADY knew what our options were when we rejected Krsna that are all revealed in the dreams of Maha-Visnu. 

And to know what the options were, we already knew they are found in the dreams of Maha-Visnu, that we can choose from BEFORE going to the material creation.

In the spiritual worlds you cannot compare one's desires, choices and free will to a mundane material menu. 

This is because the spiritual worlds are always in the "eternal presence" of Krsna and NEVER governed by the material creations past, present and future that only exists in the temporary decaying material creation.

By knowing of Krsna's expansion Maha-Visnu in the spiritual worlds, then you know what ever choices you have are fulfilled by Him, by entering one of His dreams of His material creation. 

Only in the spiritual worlds is our full marginal potential expressed, and know what all other choices are because it is those choices and desires we had for Krsna before we rejected Him. 

Therefore it is a nonsense philosophy to say that we didn’t come from Krsna's abode of Goloka Vrindavana, which is the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) REAL eternal home. 

Krsna states twice in the Srimad Bhagavatam that we left Him. Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53 and Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55. 

Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul, 

"Do you remember Me!!"

How can you remember what you never knew? 

Krsna directly says 'hitvā māṁ', You rejected me. He says it again at 4.28.55 sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho. 

"You are the one who rejected Me, O friend!" sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho. 

Yes, and we should now be determined to return back home back to Godhead, to again be with Krsna.”

Srila Prabhupāda fully clearly explains here from Srimad Bhagavatam that our original home, from where we all have originated from, is Goloka Vrindavana, the perpetual Kingdom of God.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 53

api smarasi catmanam
avijñata-sakham sakhe
hitva mam padam anvicchan
bhauma-bhoga-rato gatah

Translation by Srila Prabhupada-

The brahmana continued-

"My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can’t you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world."

Purport by Srila Prabhupada-

As stated in Bhagavad-gita (7.27)

iccha-dvesa-samutthena
dvandva-mohena bharata
sarva-bhutani sammoham
sarge yanti parantapa

“O scion of Bharata [Arjuna], O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are born into delusion, overcome by the dualities of desire and hate.”

This is an explanation of how the living entity falls down into this material world.

In the spiritual world there is no duality, nor is there hate.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead expands Himself into many. In order to enjoy bliss more and more, the Supreme Lord expands Himself in different categories.

As mentioned in the Varaha Purana, He expands Himself in visnu-tattva (the svamsa expansion) and in His marginal potency (the vibhinnamsa, or the living entity). These expanded living entities are innumerable, just as the minute molecules of sunshine are innumerable expansions of the sun.

The vibhinnamsa expansions, the marginal potencies of the Lord, are the living entities. When the living entities desire to enjoy themselves, they develop a consciousness of duality and come to hate the service of the Lord.

In this way the living entities fall into the material world.

In the Prema-vivarta it is said-

krsna-bahirmukha haña bhoga-vañcha kare
nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare

The natural position of the living entity is to serve the Lord in a transcendental loving attitude.

When the living entity wants to become Krsna Himself or imitate Krsna, he falls down into the material world.

Since Krsna is the supreme father, His affection for the living entity is eternal. When the living entity falls down into the material world, the Supreme Lord, through His svamsa expansion (Paramatma), keeps company with the living entity.

In this way the living entity may some day return home, back to Godhead.

By misusing his independence, the living entity falls down from the service of the Lord and takes a position in this material world as an enjoyer — that is to say, the living entity takes his position within a material body.

Wanting to take a very exalted position, the living entity instead becomes entangled in a repetition of birth and death.

He selects his position as a human being, a demigod, a cat, a dog, a tree, etc.

In this way the living entity selects a body out of the 8,400,000 forms and tries to satisfy himself by a variety of material enjoyment.

The Supersoul, however, does not like him to do this. Consequently, the Supersoul instructs him to surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

The Lord then takes charge of the living entity. But unless the living entity is uncontaminated by material desires, he cannot surrender to the Supreme Lord.

In Bhagavad-gita (5.29) the Lord says-

bhoktaram yajña-tapasam
sarva-loka-mahesvaram
suhrdam sarva-bhutanam
jñatva mam santim rcchati

“The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.”

The Supreme Lord is the supreme friend of everyone; however, no one can take advantage of the supreme friend’s instructions while making his own plans to become happy and entangling himself in the modes of material nature.

When there is creation, the living entities take on different forms according to past desires.

This means that all the species or forms of life are simultaneously created.

Darwin’s theory stating that no human being existed from the beginning but that humans evolved after many, many years is simply a nonsensical theory.

From Vedic literature we find that the first creature within the universe is Lord Brahma.

Being the most intelligent personality, Lord Brahma could take charge of creating all the variety found within this material world.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 54

hamsav aham ca tvam carya
sakhayau manasayanau
abhutam antara vaukah
sahasra-parivatsaran

Translation by Srila Prabhupada-

My dear gentle friend, both you and I are exactly like two swans. We live together in the same heart, which is just like the Manasa Lake. Although we have been living together for many thousands of years, we are still far away from our original home.

Purport by Srila Prabhupada-

The original home of the living entity and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the spiritual world.

In the spiritual world both the Lord and the living entities live together very peacefully. Since the living entity remains engaged in the service of the Lord, they both share a blissful life in the spiritual world.

However, when the living entity wants to enjoy himself, he falls down into the material world.

Even while he is in that position, the Lord remains with him as the Supersoul, his intimate friend.

Because of his forgetfulness, the living entity does not know that the Supreme Lord is accompanying him as the Supersoul.

In this way the living entity remains conditioned in each and every millennium. Although the Lord follows him as a friend, the living entity, because of forgetful material existence, does not recognize Him.

Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 Text 55

sa tvam vihaya mam bandho
gato gramya-matir mahim
vicaran padam adraksih
kayacin nirmitam striya

Translation by Srila Prabhupada-

My dear friend, you are now My very same friend. Since you left Me, you have become more and more materialistic, and not seeing Me, you have been traveling in different forms throughout this material world, which was created by some woman.

Purport by Srila Prabhupada-

When the living entity falls down, he goes into the material world, which was created by the external energy of the Lord.

This external energy is described herein as “some woman,” or prakrti. This material world is composed of material elements, ingredients supplied by the mahat-tattva, the total material energy.

The material world, created by this external energy, becomes the so-called home of the conditioned soul.

Within this material world the conditioned soul accepts different apartments, or different bodily forms, and then travels about.

Sometimes he travels in the higher planetary systems and sometimes in the lower systems.

Sometimes he travels in higher species of life and sometimes in lower species. He has been wandering within this material universe since time immemorial.

As explained by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu-

brahmanda bhramite kona bhagyavan jiva
guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija

The living entity wanders into many species of life, but he is fortunate when he once again meets his friend, either in person or through His representative.

Actually, it is Krsna who personally advises all living entities to return home, back to Godhead. Sometimes Krsna sends His representative, who, delivering Krsna’s very message, canvasses all living entities to return home, back to Godhead.

Unfortunately the living entity is so greatly attached to material enjoyment that he does not take the instructions of Krsna or His representative very seriously.

This material tendency is mentioned in this verse as gramya-matih, sense gratification. The word mahim means “within this material world.”

All living entities within this material world are sensually inclined. Consequently they become entangled in different types of bodies and suffer the pangs of material existence.+