The science of loving devotional service to God (Krsna, Visnu/Narayana in the spiritual worlds).

Srila Prabhupada - "Love cannot be one, or executed only by only one, there must be two." (SB lecture Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Even for Krsna love can only be experienced and appreciated when there are two. 

To experience loving exchanges Krsna divided Himself into two, Srimati Radharani and Krsna, the Divine couple.

Real loving exchanges or service can only exist in the spiritual world when "two" have voluntary exchanges based on positively reciprocating with each other.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are independent living beings with their own unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, yet simultaneously always dependent on the energies of Lord Krsna because He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

However, the jiva-souls always have their unique free will eternally, which is part and parcel of their constitutional make up as a marginal living entity. 

This means the jiva-souls have, as part of their individual personality, the capability to make their own choices, that even includes accepting or even rejecting Krsna.

In other words, Krsna does not force the jiva-souls to love Him and do only what He wants them to do, no, Krsna allows the jiva-souls to decide for themselves what they choose to voluntary offer Him based on reciprocation and loving exchanges.

As said above, genuine loving service and surrender is never a "one-way" street of complete domination where one is always told what to do, how to act and how to think.

The jiva-souls always have the freedom to voluntarily offer their own unique independent contributions that Krsna allows and does not interfere with.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Such personal offerings add mystery, integrity and flavour to the relationship.

If Krsna forced the jiva-souls to only do what He thinks and wants, then that is not love, it is exploitation and slavery

All loving exchanges with Krsna is based on free will expressed in a two-way exchange.

This means each individual jiva-soul is able to make their own independent choices that may agree, or disagree with Krsna.

To have freedom means one can reject Krsna if they choose, and this includes Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Only the less informed in spiritual knowledge, including many gurus, sanyasis and devotees believe one can never fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

If there is no freedom of expression (free will) in the spiritual worlds, then voluntary loving exchanges can never exist.

Genuine loving devotional service only exists in a "two-way"  relationship where the jiva-souls also have their choices too, to accept or reject Krsna at anytime.

In this way loving exchanges can never be forced. 

All loving relationship with Krsna are based on a voluntary exchange between two.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are not mindless drones in the spiritual world, no, Krsna does not allow such mindless impersonalism to exist His spiritual abodes.

If Krsna did force the jiva-souls to only think and do what He dictates, then loving exchanges could never exist.

This is because, as said above, loving exchanges can only exist in a two-way relationship, not a "one-way" dictatorship!

Without "free will" the jiva-souls are no better than dead useless stone Prabhupada has warned us.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are eternal individuals with their own unique personality and identity that is eternally independent from Krsna's Personality, hence there is free will.

Krsna does not want a relationship based on forced surrender and demands that He must be loved unconditionally, no, that must be voluntary if such expressions of loving emotions are to truly exist. 

The jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is unique, voluntary and very personal, each jiva-soul has their own personal exchanges with Krsna unique to just them. 

No two jiva-souls are the same and no jiva-soul can ever become Visnu or Krsna, or even Siva. However, they can in due course become a Brahma.

As emphasised above, real love or service to Krsna can only exist in a "two-way" voluntary exchange based on reciprocation and mutual respect.

Therefore Krsna never forces His will on the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, if He did, then that is not voluntary love, it is forced surrender, exploitation and abuse.

Of course from the bigger picture everything is the will of Krsna and not a blade of grass moves without His sanction.

But for the purpose of lila that appears voluntary Krsna allows the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom.

That impersonal version of Krsna Consciousness where they claim we are "all-one" consciousness only divided up by the material bodily container we are in, must be rejected as impersonal nonsense Prabhupada explains to us if we are to understand genuine spiritual life.

Srila Prabhupada - "The living entities who fall down to the material world are NOT from the impersonal brahman, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness (from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana). So long as one maintains their pure Krsna consciousness; he does not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to, Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada  - "In Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy, and demand you love me, you love me, you love me. Is it love? You love me otherwise I will kill you! Is that love?" So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver." (Washington DC July 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussion with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he'd likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that."(Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Ultimately each individual jiva-soul is a unique person with their own personality and independent character who can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, the best way they can, or ignore Him if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary, they can become a flower to a human spiritual body, all voluntary, there is no restriction. They can serve Krsna as cow, as calf, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Lecture SB Melb, May 20 1975) 

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower.

As Prabhupada has explained, Krsna never forces the jiva-souls to surrender to Him, never forces them to love Him, that must be voluntary otherwise love can never exist unless there are voluntary reciprocal exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, NY City, November 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973).

Srila Prabhupada - "Their (the impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Originally all jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), as a spiritual bodily form. 

There are no jiva-souls who are only nitya-siddha and others who are originally nitya-baddha but can become nitya-siddha.

No, originally ALL jiva-souls are nitya-siddha Krsna conscious marginal living entities.

This means all nitya-baddhas in both the material creation and the impersonal Brahmajyoti were originally nitya-siddha devotees in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana Prabhupada has explained.

Srila Prabhupada - "The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, the jiva-soul can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (NY City Lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

The majority of jiva-souls (over 90%) never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana; only less than 10% choose to enter the material creation at one time Prabhupada explains here.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the jiva-souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once, or at different times, or are there any jiva-souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, the whole material world, all the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population are outside the prison house. Similarly, the majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world, only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a jiva-soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more jiva-souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence and free will but everyone is not liking to misuse their independence. The same example is just like a government constructs a prison house because the government knows that some will be criminals. So, their shelter must also be constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent per cent population will be criminal, but the government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise, why do they construct prison house also? 

One may say, "Where are the criminals? You are constructing a prison?" But Government knows there will be criminals. So, if the ordinary government can know, why God can not also know? Because there is always tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka or Vaikuntha) is what? From where does that tendency come?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore, Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (BG lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "We never had any occasion when we were separated from Krsna. For example, when a man is dreaming, he forgets himself. In a dream he creates himself in different forms—"Now I am the king." This creation of himself is as two things – 1) as the seer, and 2) as the subject matter, or seen. 

As soon as the dream is over, the "seen" disappears, but the seer remains; now he is in his original, awake position.

Our separation from Krsna is like that. We dream this body and so many relationships with other things. First the attachment comes to enjoy sense gratification. 

Even when we are with Krsna the desire for sense gratification is there. There is a tendency to forget Krsna and create an atmosphere for enjoying independently from Krsna.

At the edge of the beach, sometimes water covers the sand, and sometimes there is dry sand; the ocean is coming and going. Our position is like that, sometimes covered, sometimes free, just like at the edge of the tide. 

As soon as we forget Krsna, immediately illusion is there; just as when we sleep, a dream is there. 

We cannot say, therefore, that we are not with Krsna, as soon as we try to become Krsna immediately we're covered by maya. 

Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila, or sport, but this covering of maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going. 

Due to this long period of time it is sometimes said that we are forever conditioned, but this long duration of time becomes very insignificant when one actually goes to Krsna.

In a dream we think a very long time is passing, but as soon as we awaken from the dream we look at our watch and see it has been only a moment. 

Another example is how Krsna’s friends were kept asleep for one year by Brahma, but when they awoke and Krsna returned, they considered that only a moment had passed.

This "dreaming" condition is called non-liberated life, it is just like a dream. 

Although by material calculation it is a long, long, long long period, as soon as we come to Krsna consciousness this period is considered less than a moment.

Jaya and Vijaya, the gate keepers at a gateway to Vaikuntha, the spiritual world, once refused entrance to four great sages, the Kumaras. The sages then cursed Jaya and Vijaya to fall to the material world. 

Lord Visnu gave the gatekeepers of Vaikuntha a choice, to play out their curse in the material creation for 7 life times as devotees, or 3 life times demons.

The sages agreed to this by saying that after three births as demons, Jaya and Vijaya would be again reinstated to their former post in Vaikuntha.

Thus Jaya and Vijaya eventually attained sayujya-mukti, merging into the body of the Lord for a short time, and then returning back home, back to Godhead in Vaikuntha, the spiritual world.

This is discussed in Srimad-Bhagavatam, Canto Three, chapters fifteen and sixteen, and Canto Seven, chapter one.

Jaya and Vijaya had their lila with Krsna, but they had to come down [to the material world] for their little mistake. They were given mukti, merging into the Brahma-sayujya [Lord Krsna’s impersonal effulgence], after being killed three times as demons.

This Brahma-sayujya mukti is nonpermanent. Every living entity wants pleasure, but Brahma-sayujya is lacking in pleasure; it consists only of eternal existence. 

So when those who get Brahma-sayujya mukti do not find transcendental bliss, they fall down to make a compromise with material bliss, for example, by founding schools and hospitals.

Even Lord Brahma wants to lord it over the material world. He may come down to become a germ, but then he may rise up to Krsna consciousness and go back home, back to Godhead. This is the position.

So when I say yes, there is eternal lila with Krsna, that means on the evidence of Jaya-Vijaya. Unless one develops full devotional service to Krsna, he goes up only to Brahma-sayujya but eventually falls down. 

But after millions and millions and millions of years of keeping oneself away from the lila of the Lord, when one comes to Krsna consciousness this period becomes insignificant, just like a dreaming moment.

Because he falls down from Brahma-sayujya (impersonal Brahmajyoti), he thinks that this may be his origin, but he does not remember that even before that, he was with Krsna. 

So the conclusion is that whatever may be our past, let us come to Krsna consciousness and immediately join Krsna. 

It is a waste of time for a diseased man to try to find out how he has become diseased; better to spend time curing the disease." ('Crow-And-Tal-Fruit Logic' letter to Madhudvisa Swami, July 1972 Melb, Australia) 

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is ALWAYS a chance of falling down to the material worlds by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But, when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The Happening Record Album, NY City USA Dec, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada – "So where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities." (Letter to Jagadisa, 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna, he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, it is a difficult task." (London lecture on BG Ch 13, 14, July 14, 1973)

Acyutananda - "So what made the jiva-souls take birth in the material creation in the first place?"

Srila Prabhupada - "In the first place?"

Acyutananda - "What is the first birth? What is the cause of the first birth?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is stated in the Prema vivarta:

krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare.

We are eternal servants of Krsna, as soon as we want to become master, that is the beginning of our first birth in the material world. We have got that independence and free will to choose, service to Krsna is voluntary. 

Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva bhutah, we are part and parcel of Krsna, so Krsna has got full independence, but we are minute; therefore we have got minute independence to do as we please. 

Our real business is to serve Krsna, but as soon as we give up this idea and want to become master. That is the beginning of our material birth." (Lecture on SB Canto 5 Ch 5 text 2, Hyderabad, April 11, 1975)

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita, it says, "Once coming to the spiritual world, one never again returns to the material creation."

Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return."

Acyutananda - "He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that is voluntary, that independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Morning Walk Feb 19, 1976, Mayapur)

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura - ''When the marginal living entity has contact with matter, the imprisoned soul loses the memory of his original spiritual form in Vaikuntha, material rasas (tastes and desires) are perverted reflections of the soul's original spiritual rasas." (Prema-pradipa, p. 83)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will to begin with if He knew we could miss use it and fall down to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

As said above, loving relationships and voluntary expressions of service are always on a "two-way street," based on reciprocation and loving exchanges between two. 

Ananda or bliss can never be experienced by just one jiva-soul, there MUST be two because only then can you have loving exchanges.  

A loving relationship can never be a domineering one-sided relationship or dictatorship because that will only destroy the one's free will to voluntary express one's self in a meaningful "two-way' exchange. 

The independence to express one's self is unique to each individual jiva-soul's character.

In Bhagavad Gita As It Is Krsna makes the promise that once returning to Vaikuntha, the jiva-souls will never again fall down to the material creation however, the jiva-souls also have their choice too, and therefore can accept or reject Krsna's promise if they choose, otherwise there is no meaning to having free will Prabhupada has explained.

Although, as said above, over 90% of jiva-souls do choose to not fall down, but the fact is they can leave at anytime if they choose, otherwise there is no meaning to having free will.

Srila Prabhupada explains above, less than 10% of jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana do choose to leave and enter the material creation.

Srila Prabhupada has made it clear that if we do not have free will in both Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, then we are no better than dead lifeless stone.

In other words, there must also be the free will to reject Krsna too otherwise loving voluntary exchanges with Krsna can never freely exist.

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one-way only, that is not independence that is force." (LA, California June 23, 1975)

Denying the jiva-souls their natural eternal constitutional right of self-expression and free will (freedom) is impersonalism.

If Krsna did force His will and forced the jiva-souls to love Him, then how can that be real genuine love as Prabhupada explains?

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is a reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Krsna does promise in Bhagavad Gita that the jiva-souls will never again fall down to the material creation once returning to Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

But Krsna always allows the jiva-souls their right to accept or reject that promise too.

Even with Krsna's promise there MUST be a choice otherwise by forcing the jiva-souls to remain in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, can be seen as interfering with the free will, independence and individual choices of the jiva-souls.

This is because the jiva-souls are entitled to making their own decisions too without being dictated too even by Krsna, otherwise what is the point of having free will?

The fact is Krsna will never make that decision for the jiva-souls; they must voluntarily choose for themselves; otherwise their free will is violated. 

There can be no question of love if the jiva-souls have no right to choose for themselves.

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison some end up back there?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no such thing as permanent because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this; you can do that. All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence; therefore, there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall again if he wants; that choice is always there. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean it is permanent because he can again come back however, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of having independence and free will? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally, he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara, Srila Prabhupada and Henri Bergson)

The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities is a two-arm form like Krsna's Body.

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. 

That is spiritual life. There is no restriction, if some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Actually, every living entity is eternally uncontaminated, although he may be in the material touch. This is the version of the Vedas. Asanga ayam purusha-the living entity is uncontaminated. Just like when there is a drop of oil in water, you can immediately distinguish the oil from the water, and the water never mixes with the oil. Similarly, a living entity, although in material contact, is always distinct from the matter." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not fallen, we cannot be fallen but have simply created a situation because we wanted to imitate Krsna, so Krsna has given an opportunity: ‘All right. Imitate’. So this situation, our contact with matter, is just like dream. Actually, we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we can break this material connection (dream) at any moment, as soon as we come to the point of Krsna conscious. We can simply give up that illusory condition at any moment. At any moment. This is the position. We are not fallen. We are only thinking fallen we are fallen. So we have to give up this nonsense thinking. Then we are liberated." (SB lecture in Tokyo, April 20, 1972)

Srila Prabhupada - "Eternally conditioned (nitya-baddha) means we do not know when we have been conditioned like this. It is not possible to trace out the history in the material creation, many, many, many, many Brahma’s lives are happening, not only one." (Lecture in NY City, Jan 9, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - "There is history, but that is not possible to trace out. Therefore, it is said anadi . . . Anadi means the creation. Creation before creation I contaminated this desire." (SB lecture in Bombay, January 1, 1975) 

Srila Prabhupada - "It is impossible to trace out our history. Vaisnava poets say, therefore, anadi karma-phale, which means that these actions and reactions of one’s activity cannot be traced, for they may even continue from the last millennium of Brahma’s birth to the next millenium." (SB Canto 3, Ch 31 text 44, Aug 1974).

Devotee - "In the spiritual sky, when the living entity is in his pure state of consciousness, does something act upon him to make him illusioned at that point, also?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like Jaya-Vijaya. They committed offense, there is possibility even if you are in Vaikuntha, you can fall down, what to speak of this material world." (BG, lecture of July 4, 1974)

It is not Maya and her material energy causing the jiva-souls to leave or fall down from Vaikuntha because there is no material nature (Maya) in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana that forces the jiva-soul to leave Krsna, Maya's temptation and material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana however, "free will" does eternally exist there and that free will is the cause of fall down in most cases.

Srila Prabhupada - "The next question about the living entities falling down in this material world are not from the impersonal brahman, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness; he does not fallen down. As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness, immediately he is fallen down." (Letter to, Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness has now become polluted by the material atmosphere." (Hare Krsna 'Happening record album' NY City December 1966)..*×*..