Understanding the three Viṣṇus who maintain the Brahmanda material worlds, and the jiva-souls (the marginal eternal entities)
1 - Mahā-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha)
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā, Supersoul)
Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu) is an expansion of Balarama, the first expansion of Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
Krsna is the Supreme individual Person as a spiritual bodily form with two-arms, two-legs etc as His eternal appearance.
All marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their original position (bodily form), are also in His image Srila Prabhupāda explains.
Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"
Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."
Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)
Some jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds (less than 10%) choose to give up being the Lord's servant and associate (nitya-siddha) in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana and become nitya-baddha by entering the material creation.
Fall down of the individual jiva-souls to the material creation means their status as nitya-siddhas (eternally liberated) changes to being nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned)
Therefore, by choosing to enter the material creation, those jiva-souls are no longer nitya-siddha, they are now known as nitya-baddha.
Nitya-baddha means the jiva-soul has rejected Krsna, only then do they become nitya-baddha or conditioned in the material world after giving up their nitya-siddha status (eternally liberated)
However, one can again become nitya-siddha by returning back home back to Godhead.
It is a nonsense belief that nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha were created as two separate categories of the individual jiva-soul.
No, there is only one category of jiva-soul who can be either nitya-siddha (liberated), or nitya-baddha (material conditioned).
This belief claiming there are two separate classes of jiva-souls is impersonalism because all jiva-souls are originally nitya-siddha but due to free will, can become nitya-baddha.
Even though we are now nitya-baddha (in the material creation) we are actually nitya-siddha in our original position with Krsna or Visnu because that is our eternal nature as a marginal living entity, we just have to again realize it.
Srila Prabhupada explains-
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha. By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become AGAIN nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York City Lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya-baddha." (Lecture on BG, July 14, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can also become siddha. He can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, it is a difficult task." (London lecture on BG, July 14, 1973)
The original form of the marginal living entities or jiva-souls is not some nonsense impersonal spark in Krsna's effulgence (impersonal Brahmajyoti)
As said above the jiva-souls are originally (and eternally) a two armed bodily (vigraha) form like Krsnas Prabhupada has explained to us.
Srila Prabhupada – "God (Krsna) is also human form. Man is made in the shape of Krsna, two hands, two legs." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)
Originally all jiva-souls are nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) in their original position Prabhupada explains below.
The jiva-souls only become nitya-baddha (eternally materially conditioned) when they enter the material creation, and impersonal inactive Brahmajyoti.
In Gauḍīya Vaisnavism the Sātvata-tantra describes three different forms, or aspects, of Krsna's Visnu expansions as -
1 - Mahā-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha)
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā)
Maha-Visnu further expands as the form of Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha) who enters each of the millions of large universes known as a Brahmandas that all originate from the pores of Maha-Visnu's Body and creates a secondary universe inside the Brahmanda.
Each Garbhodakashayi Visnu lays down deep inside each of these massive Brahmanda outer surrounding universes and a Lord Brahma appears from His naval and builds the various planetary systems within the secondary material universe inside the Brahmanda.
Maha-Visnu again further expands as Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramatma) who is the Supersoul situated in the heart of all material bodily vessels next to the marginal living beings (jiva-souls) in all the millions of material universes.
Kāraņodaksayi Visnu is Sankarsana (an expansion of Balarama) of the Catur-vyuha, the quadruple expansions of Krsna who predominate over the Vaikuṇṭha planets as His Visnu-tattva (jiva-soul) expansions.
Balarama is the first expansion of Lord Krsna who the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
This means Krsna is the origin of all Narayana and Visnu forms of the Lord (God)
Within each the Brahma's universes, the millions of demigods such as Indra, Yamaraj, Vayu etc, as well as all the material bodily vessels that all the other visiting jiva-souls possess, are part and parcel of Maha-Visnu's dreaming of the material creation going on within each of the different material secondary universes found deep within their outer Brahmandas universal covering.
Maha-Visnu creates all the material bodily vessels or containers that are eventually "hired" by all the visiting jiva-souls who have chosen to leave Vaikuntha and foolishly enter the mundane decaying material creation, which is 1/4 of the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky.
Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions where are the spirit souls coming from? These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new soul. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth, so how there can be new soul?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)
What does the jiva-souls being "marginal" mean?
The marginal platform means the eternal jiva-souls belong to that category of marginal living entities (meaning they are influenced by either the spiritual energy, or material energy eternally), explained as follows by Prabhupada.
The marginal living entities or jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) are Krsna's "separated" expansions who have 50 qualities of Krsna's 64 qualities (78.125%)
Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (known as Visnu-tattva, where the Lord Himself plays a different role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Krsna are called vibhinnāṁśa (marginal living entities or jiva-souls endowed with independence and free will) like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul) Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy, your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls exist sometimes under the influence of the spiritual energy, or sometimes under the material energy.
Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melbourne, April 23, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul is always called marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy jiva-souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)
Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Visnu-tattva who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-tattva or the independent jiva-souls (marginal living entities) like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "Every living being has a particular relationship with the Lord eternally, That is called svarupa. By the process of devotional service, one can revive that svarupa, and that stage is called svarupa-siddhi-perfection of one’s constitutional position." (BG As It Is, Introduction)
Srila Prabhupada - "Originally everyone (all marginal living entities or jiva-souls) are nitya-siddha which means eternally liberated." (SB, Canto 7.9.4, Mayapur, Feb 18, 1977)
Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krsna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body." (Germany, June 22, 1974)
No jiva-souls originate from the material creation, Maha-Visnu or the Impersonal (dormant inactive) Brahmajyoti or Brahman.
This is because all jiva-souls originate directly from Vaikuntha, from Goloka Vrindavana as a two armed bodily form like Krsnas (which is also the human form)
Krsna also never interferes with the jiva-soul's free will, even if they choose to reject Him.
Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (LA, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Prabhupada and Rene Descartes)
Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (Lecture on BG, Aug, 6, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 1970)
However, sadly there are some religious groups and their nonsense teachings, especially in India, polluted with Impersonalism and voidism, who cannot understand the above comments from Prabhupada.
The full potential and the highest position of the jiva-souls are-
1 - Sat - eternity
2 - Chit - knowledge
3 - Ananda - bliss
4 - Vigraha - eternal bodily form
Maha-Visnu in His material creation lays down in the causal ocean or the Karanodak, He then impregnate seeds of this material creation into Mahā-māyā by glancing at her.
All jiva-souls resting in the Body of Maha-Visnu have originally come from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, Maha-Visnu does not create any jiva-souls.
The fact like Maha-Visnu, the jiva-souls were never created, they have always existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches.
Mahā-māyā remains the ever obedient material energy of the Supreme Lord.
Maha-Visnu creates all the material "gross" elements-
1 - Sky,
2 - Fire,
3 - Water,
4 - Air,
5 - Earth,
These material elements are created along with "subtle" matter
6 - Mind,
7 - Intelligence,
8 - False ego.
After this, Maha-Visnu enters each of the larger universes known as a Brahmandas, that originate from the pores of His Body, as Garbhodaksayi Visnu, who lays down deep inside each surrounding Brahmanda material universe, within a secondary smaller universe inside it.
Garbhodakasayi Visnu is an expansion of Maha-Visnu, there are billions of Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Lord Brahmas but only one Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu) in the material creation (1/4 of the Spiritual Sky).
All jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are individual independent living entities who can choose to enter this material creation, to the smaller material universe that exists with all its 14 planetary systems in the stem growing from the navel of Garbhodakasayi Visnu who are all encased deep inside the surrounding Brahmanda universe.
From Garbhodaksayi Visnu emerges Brahma who is the secondary creator within His secondary universe that is deep inside the outer surrounding Brahmanda universe.
Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu is an expansion of Mahā-Visnu.
In Gaudīya Vaisnavism the Sātvata-tantra describes three different forms of Visnu as:
1 - Mahā-Visnu (Kāraṇodakaśāyī Visnu)
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Visnu (Hiraņyagarbha)
3 - Ksirodakaśāyī Visnu (Paramātmā).
Material nature is called prakṛti, an energy of the Lord.
Srila Prabhupada - "The science of God analyzes the constitutional position of God and His diverse energies. Material nature is called prakṛti, or the energy of the Lord in His different puruṣa incarnations (expansions) as described in the Sātvata-tantra-
viṣṇos tu trīṇi rūpāṇi
puruṣākhyāny atho viduḥ
ekaṁ tu mahataḥ sraṣṭṛ
dvitīyaṁ tv aṇḍa-saṁsthitam
tṛtīyaṁ sarva-bhūta-sthaṁ
tāni jñātvā vimucyate
"For material creation, Lord Kṛṣṇa's plenary expansion assumes three Viṣṇus-
1 - Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva.
2 - Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters into all the universes to create diversities in each of them.
3 - Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, is diffused as the all-pervading Supersoul in all the universes and is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms. Anyone who knows these three Viṣṇus can be liberated from material entanglement." (BG, Ch 7 text 4, Purport)
Each of these Visnu-tattva form who manage the material creation has a different role in the maintenance of the universe and its inhabitants.
1 - The first expansion in the material creation, Lord Krsna’s plenary expansion assumes three Visnus. The first, Mahā-Viṣṇu, creates the total material energy, known as the mahat-tattva and all the many "Brahmanda" universes as seen in painting below.
2 - The second, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, enters deep inside of each of these massive Brahmanda universes, reaching its center, and then creates an inner secondary universe with its planetary systems and all its diversities.
3 - The third, Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu, is diffused as the all-pervading super-soul in all the universes; He is in the heart of every living beings, and is known as Paramātmā. He is present even within the atoms Prabhupada has explained.
The real objective of meditation in Yoga is attain service to Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
Garbhodhakaśāyī Visnu is also realized as the form of Pradyumna within the material universe who the father of Brahmā who appeared from His navel and hence Garbhodakashayi Visnu is also called Hiraņyagarbha.
There are billions of Brahmanda universes all originating from the Bodily skin pores and breathing of Maha-Visnu.
Inside each Brahmanda universe, is a secondary smaller universe where Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Lord Brahma, the many demigods and all the different planetary systems are found.
This inner material universe, is surrounded and encased by the outer Brahmanda universe's 7 or 8 massive material layers.
The names of the 14 material planetary systems are also below in photo, just in our single material universe, which is situated deep within our surrounding massive Brahmanda are called-
1 -Satya-loka
2 - Tapa-loka
3 - Jana-loka
4 - Mahar-loka
5 - Svar-loka
6 - Bhuva-loka
7 - Bhur-loka (our earth globe realm)
8 - Atala-loka
9 - Vital-loka
10 - Sutala-loka
11 - Talatala-loka
12 - Mahatala-loka
13 - Rasatala-loka
14 - Patala-loka
The material creation has unlimited Brahmanda universes coming from the Body of Maha-Visnu.
Each Brahmanda universe has their own "secondary inner material universe" deep inside them surrounded by the Brahmanda universe.
And each "secondary material universe" with its massive Brahmanda has their own number of planetary system, that are different sizes, ours has 14 different planetary systems mentioned above..***..
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