Wednesday, March 1, 2023

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are Krsna's "separate" living entities, yet are always dependent on Krsna's energies.

This is because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

However, the jiva-souls have their own personality "separate" from Krsna's Personality, they even have the choice to serve Krsna or reject Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (Visnu-tattva). The "separated" expansions of the Lord are called vibhinnāṁśa - jiva-tattva or independent jiva-souls like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are three energies: 

1 - external energy

2 - internal energy

3 - marginal energy

The external energy is this material expansion, manifestation. 

Similarly, there is internal energy, the spiritual world manifestation, and in between them there is another energy called marginal energy, taṭastha, that we are, we living entities. 

We (the jiva-souls) are His marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. 

So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. 

It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. 

But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. 

The spiritual world is permanent, and we are also permanent, jīva-bhūta. 

Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20)

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." [BG 2.20, from 1983 edition] (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 4 - Melbourne, April 23, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The process is to transfer yourself from material energy to spiritual energy. We are under energy. God has got two energies—material energy and spiritual energy. We are also energy. We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy. 

So marginal energy means we can remain under the material energy or on the spiritual energy, as we make our choice. 

Just like on the beach you find sometimes on the border of the water, the water is covering the land, and sometimes the land is open. 

This is called the marginal position. The jiva-souls are spirit but are influenced by sometimes spirit, and sometimes matter.

Similarly, we are marginal energy, or we can remain open also, in spiritual energy. 

So this process of, I mean to say, converting the material energy to spiritual energy is called bhakti-yoga. Just like this microphone. 

When it is used for some material purpose... Just like I am speaking. But sometimes the politicians or other parties or so many things—this microphone can be utilized for so many purposes. 

And it can be utilized also, God's purposes. I am speaking through this microphone about the message of God. 

So when it is utilized for God's purposes it is spiritual. And when it is utilized for our material purposes or sense gratification, this is material." (Lecture at St. Pascal's Franciscan Seminary - Melbourne, June 28, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Marginal means (the jiva-souls) are sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "In Vedic literature the living entity is called jīvātmā (jiva-soul) and Brahman, but he is never called Para-brahman. The living entity (jīvātmā or jiva-soul) takes different positions—sometimes he merges into the dark material nature and identifies himself with matter, and sometimes he identifies himself with the superior, spiritual nature. Therefore he is called the Supreme Lord's marginal energy. 

According to his identification with material or spiritual nature, he receives a material or spiritual body. In material nature he may take a body from any of the 8,400,000 species of life, but in spiritual nature he has only one body. 

In material nature he is manifested sometimes as a man, demigod, animal, beast, bird, etc., according to his karma. To attain material heavenly planets and enjoy their facilities, he sometimes performs sacrifices (yajña), but when his merit is exhausted he returns to earth again in the form of a man. This process is called karma." (BG, Ch 8 text 3, Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Although living entities belong to the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord, they are in material contamination. They think themselves enjoyers, but they are not the supreme enjoyer. 

Here it is clearly stated that the supreme enjoyer is the Supreme Personality of Godhead in His different manifestations and plenary expansions as Nārāyaṇa, Vāsudeva, etc." (BG, Ch 8 text 8, Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The fact is that every individual living entity is eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, and both of them are very intimately related as friends. But the living entity has the tendency to reject the sanction of the Supreme Lord and act independently in an attempt to dominate nature, and because he has this tendency he is called the marginal energy of the Supreme Lord. The living entity can be situated either in the material energy or in the spiritual energy. As long as he is conditioned by the material energy, the Supreme Lord, as his friend, the Supersoul, stays with him just to get him to return to the spiritual energy." (BG, Ch 13 text 23, Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The living entity in his original position is pure spirit. He is just like an atomic particle of the Supreme Spirit. Thus Lord Kṛṣṇa may be compared to the sun, and the living entities to sunshine. 

Because the living entities are the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa, they have a tendency to be in contact either with the material energy or with the spiritual energy. 

In other words, the living entity is situated between the two energies of the Lord, and because he belongs to the superior energy of the Lord, he has a particle of independence. 

By proper use of that independence he comes under the direct order of Kṛṣṇa. Thus he attains his normal condition in the pleasure-giving potency." (BG, Ch 18 text 78, Purport)

Each individual jiva-soul in the spiritual world can "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways, or even reject Him if they choose and enter the material world. 

Service to Krsna is always voluntary, Krsna allows the jiva-souls to express themselves in their own unique way. Serving Krsna is a choice the jiva-souls can make and is NEVER forced by Krsna.

Loving exchanges can only happen in a reciprocation that involves two, where the jiva-souls "voluntarily" choose to serve Krsna, and never forced to be His mindless "yes" men or women.  

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna save me from miss using my free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me." Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C. USA)

Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is "free will." Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada and Rene Descartes 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is "voluntary." Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No. "Love means two." There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world never means giving up your free will and allowing Krsna to completely control all of your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts, no, such a relationship in this version of Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is impersonalism.  

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not programmed drones or robots who only obey what they are told, therefore never being able to personally contribute to their relationship with Krsna in their own personal unique way. 

The jiva-souls can think for themselves the so many different ways to please Krsna and voluntarily serve Him.

The jiva-souls never lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, which means the individual ability of self expression.

Being able to offering their own personal contributions that are "unique" to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will does the jiva-souls have that unique personality and individual character, otherwise the jiva-souls are no better than dead mindless stone. 

As said above, free will allows genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation to take place, and without that free will, the jiva-souls have no life Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, Krsna never interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls have because if He did, by never allowing the choice of personal contributions, would only mean that loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation could never exist!

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is not love, it is loveless impersonalism 

This "impersonal" version of God's abode explained above, where jiva-souls are forced to surrender their free will and allow "God" to take over their every actions, thoughts and deeds, is mayavadi impersonalism.

Therefore, to deny the jiva-souls having their own unique individual "freedom of expression" (free will) and unique individual personality, by forcing them to only allow God to control all their thinking and actions in the name of "surrender," is also dangerous impersonalism.

Having genuine free will allows the jiva-souls to be themselves, an independent unique individual contributing PERSON who can always voluntarily choose their own personal relationship Krsna.

The jiva-souls ARE an eternal individual spiritual bodily form that originally looks like Krsna's "two-armed bodily form" in the spiritual world of Goloka-Vrindavana.

Each jiva-soul has their own unique personality separate from the Krsna's Personality that allows free will and voluntary service.

However, the appearance of the jiva-souls can change to an unlimited variety of bodily forms in the spiritual world, and not necessarily human either. They can appear as a flag pole, a blade of grass, a tree, a bench, a cow herd boy or girl, a cow, a shop owner, a cloud in the sky, a bird, etc.

There are unlimited choices of what one can look like but is almost inconceivable to understand this.

It is also inconceivable to understand that the spiritual world is a place where EVERYTHING is living and no dead matter or maya exists there.

If the jiva-souls voluntary choose to enter the Vaikuntha planets of Visnu/Narayana, they have a 4 armed bodily form similar to Lord Visnu, or a 4 armed bodily Form similar to Luxmi devi, Lord Visnu's consort.

the material bodily vessels or costumes the visiting jiva-souls have, are all provided by Maha-Visnu. 

The jiva-souls can only obtain a material body in the material world by first approaching Maha-Visnu.

These material bodily vessels are "hired" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu so they can enter His material creation in a suitable bodily container that matches their desires.  

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, NY, City)

All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and must be acquired from Him in order to enter the material worlds.

However, all such bodily vessels in the material world are temporary and are subject decay, nothing made of matter lasts forever.

This causes the eternal jiva-souls within those material bodies, who are visiting from the spiritual worlds as passengers, to continue taking birth and continue trying to satisfy their desires.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – "Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-

This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.83)

Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present, and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.2b)

Srila Prabhupada - "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus, there is no question of past, present, or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.2b)

All material bodies in the material creation are provided to the jiva-souls, who reject Krsna and Visnu, by Maha-Visnu. 

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes, Kṛṣṇa says, yes, you can go, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "So to go to Krsna means you will have to acquire your original, spiritual body. The spiritual body is already there, but we are now covered by this material body." (Germany, June 22, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago. Anadi karama-phale. Anadi means before the creation. The real desire is how to go to home, back to Godhead." (Lecture on BG, London, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "We may fall down from Vaikuntha at any moment, so even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that, "Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?" I immediately fall down." (Lecture in Honolulu, July 4, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall down takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. That non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to, Revatinandana, LA, California 13th June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal stage. He wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Śyāmasundara - "Does the jiva-soul develop a spiritual body?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "No, he IS spiritual body, he has a spiritual identity already."

Revatīnandana - "You very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen, still fallen. Does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen jiva-souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana - "That means all jīva-souls there are also fallen souls."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes." (Aug. 17, 1971, London)

As said above, the original spiritual form of the jiva-soul has "two-arms" like Krsna, however their original home is a choice between the Vaikuntha planets serving the four-armed Visnu, or being Krsna's friend, the two-armed Kṛṣṇa in Goloka Vrindavana.

There are billions of different perpetual Vaikuntha planets that take up 3/4 of the spiritual sky, each having their own Visnu form seen as the Supreme Personality of who has their own unique name that describes the pastimes on their particular Vaikuntha planet.

Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall down takes place it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. That non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition." (Letter to, Revatinandana, LA, California 13th June, 1970)

Srila Prabhupāda - "We are only a (dormant) spark (while fallen in the impersonal Brahmajyoti). But because we are spirit, we cannot remain in that fallen impersonal stage. He wants to enjoy, so for as long as one has forgotten (their spiritual bodily origin while outside of the spiritual atmosphere), one develops a body which is called matter."

Srila Prabhupada explains that proper loving relationships are always a "two-way" reciprocal exchange.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved." (quote 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is not love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (quote 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

The word ,"surrender" should be properly understood so that one's so called "surrender" and voluntary service is appreciated, reciprocated with and not forcefully demanded in an impersonal way.

Being an Impersonalist means there is only "one all-pervasive consciousness" that denies the individual jiva-souls the awareness of their own separate unique permanent singular existence. 

The impersonalist foolishly believe individuality only exists when the "so called all-pervading consciousness" is bottled up or  contained in an individual material bodily vessel, and when that bodily vessel ceases to function, the all-pervading life force occupying that bodily vessel, merges back into the impersonal  "oneness" of consciousness.

Just like when water is released from a container it merges back into the ocean of water.

Therefore, the impersonalists attempt to artificially extinguish their individuality and unique personality by trying to be "inactive" or dormant in this illusion of "oneness." 

This is how the impersonalist commits spiritual suicide.

In the spiritual world with Krsna, surrender does not mean you give up you individuality, free will, sense of self or the independence that allows you to make your own personal contributions and offerings to Krsna that is unique to just you.

Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha are very personal places based on loving voluntary exchanges that are eternally going on with Krsna and His servants and friends.

Therefore the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is unique and very personal, each jiva-soul has their own different personal exchanges with Krsna that no other jiva-soul can duplicate.

No two jiva-souls are the same in Vaikuntha (in personality and character) or Goloka-Vrindavana.

Therefore genuine love, service and surrender can only exist in a "two-way" voluntary exchange of feelings, based on reciprocation and mutual respect, Krsna never forces His will on anyone in the spiritual world.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will." (Prabhupada talk on Rene Descartes with Hayagriva dasa 1976)

Unless there is the misuse of free will, even in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, there is no question of free will.

For loving exchanges to truly exist between Krsna and the jiva-souls, the jiva-souls also must have the right to voluntarily express themselves in a two-way exchange, which includes being able to choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana at anytime, and return to the material worlds. 

This is what having "free will" means. 

Many, in fact most, do not understand what the spiritual world is and the points made here.

The "free will" to feel envy means you want to enjoy like Krsna and be in the centre instead of Krsna, such self centred desires immediately disqualifies you to remain in the spiritual world (Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana) and immediately you a transferred to the material creation managed by Maha-Visnu. 

Your spiritual memories are in the spiritual world and you cannot take them with you to the material world because they are NOT material.

Once the jiva-souls enter the material world, their free will is almost non-existent, and instead are directed by the demands of the material senses - eating, sleeping, mating and defending, found controlling all species of material life.

Therefore, there is no choice in the spiritual world influenced by "matter" or "maya" because matter (maya) does NOT exist in the spiritual world.

Also, maya is NOT the cause of the jiva-souls fall down from the spiritual world to the material world, "free will" is the cause of fall down, and that means there is always a choice that some nonsense sangas and their gurus cannot understand.

The jiva-souls can only enter the material world in a material bodily vessel provided by Maha-Visnu, and NOT as their spiritual eternal bodily form.

All knowledge of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana is in the spiritual body, but now covered because one has entered the material world and is now covered by a temporary decaying material bodily vessel.

In the spiritual world, as their original spiritual bodily form, all jiva-souls are female in their intimate original relationship with Krsna. 

Yes, we are all female.

Not to confused with mundane transgender in the material world because if one is given a material bodily vessel of either a male or female, then that life is who they are in that life. In their next life, one can be either male, female, dog, Cow, tree - all material life forms have a jiva-soul.

However, in the spiritual world, even though one is originally female, they can appear as male, a cow, a tree, a bird, a street sign, a blade of grass, anything they like to serve Krsna.

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?" 

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969).**














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