Wednesday, March 29, 2023

The following is how the jiva-soul's fall down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, is NOT caused by the influence of Maya, but by "free will." To enter the material world, the rebellious jiva-souls must first "hire" a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu.

Regarding the spiritual world and how the jiva-souls can fall down from there.

All desires, voluntary service and individual choices, are all suppose to be centred around Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

In the spiritual world one can never be influenced by maya or material energy because maya and the material energy, including "material" desires" do NOT exist there.

Devotee - "Is material desires the cause of fall down, or is it misuse of free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Srila Prabhupada – Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

The material bodily vessels or "costumes" the visiting jiva-souls have, are all provided by Maha-Visnu. 

The jiva-souls can only obtain a material body in the material world by first approaching Maha-Visnu.

These material bodily containers are "hired" from the dreams of Maha-Visnu just so the fallen jīva-souls can enter His material creation in a suitable bodily container that matches their desires.  

Srila Prabhupada - "We are not the owner of this body, not the owner of the material senses. The senses are "hired" from the Supreme Lord. This is very subtle understanding; one should know the proprietor of the senses is God." (March 1966, NY, City)

All the material bodily vessels in the material creation belong to Maha-Visnu and MUST first be acquired (hired) from Him in order to enter the material world.

However, all such bodily vessels in the material world are temporary and subject to decay, decline, in need of contant maintenance, breakdown and finally death, because nothing made of matter lasts forever.

This causes the eternal indestructible jiva-souls within those material bodies, who are visiting from the spiritual world as passengers, to continue taking birth after birth after birth to continue trying to satisfy their self centred desires desires.

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream." (SB Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – "Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes-

This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.83)

Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present, and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.2b)

Srila Prabhupada - "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus, there is no question of past, present, or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29.2b)

All material bodies in the material creation are provided (hired out) to the jiva-souls, who reject Krsna and Visnu, by Maha-Visnu who ALWAYS owns all material bodily vessels.×

 











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