Monday, April 29, 2024

Everything in this temporary decaying material world never lasts because it is subject to decline, impermanence, decay, and birth, youth, middle age, old age and death of the outer material bodily vessel.

Only the eternal individual jiva-souls (anti-matter) are beginningless and endless and not effected by the temporary nature of the material world, which means the jiva-souls have always existed.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons as a spiritual bodily FORM as their full potential, there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have always existed for infinity as explained above.

So, clearly there is no origin or beginning point to Krsna's marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have existed for as long as Krsna has existed and will continue to exist for eternity (infinity).

Everything in this mundane material world fades away (breaks down) over time because all material things, like our material bodily vessels, are in a constant state of decay, decline and breakdown. 

This temporary decaying material world is always in a state of disrepair and is not our real "eternal" infinite home.

We shouldn't even be here in this decaying material world, or falling further to the impersonal (inactive) nonsense brahmajyoti!! 

It was a mistake we chose to came here to the material world in the first place from Gods eternal Kingdom of Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets!!

We can never find permanent satisfaction and happiness in this alien environment called the mundane decaying material world of repeated birth and death. 

Only a fool will try to find comfort in these temporary decaying material bodily vessels that eventually grow diseased and old, and then end up being food for earth worms.

Therefore, the goal of this rare human life is to get outbof this mundane decaying material world and not try and make ourselves comfortable here! 

Our only desire should be to go back home, back to Godhead back to serve Krsna or Visnu in the spiritual world.

We should also not waste our time desiring to go to the higher heavely material planets in the mundane material world, or attempt to take birth in a pious wealthy aristocrat family on this earth planet called Bhurloka.

The eternal individual jiva-souls should be learning, from a very young age in the human species, we are the eternal "individual jiva-soul" (individual life force) within these material bodily containers or vessels, and all material endevours for mundane happiness will not solve the problems of birth, disease, old age and death.

The purpose of this very rare human form of life is to get out of this material world and not try and build the kingdom of God without God.

Srila Prabhupada - "When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (From the "Happening Record Album" New York City, Dec 1966)..^×^..










Thursday, April 18, 2024

The constitutional eternal position of the individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are they are "separated" expansions of Kṛṣṇa with their own personality independent from Krsna's Personality yet similtaneously fully dependent on Krsna and His energies (a spiritual paradox).

Therefore, the eternal individual jiva-souls, are part and parcels of Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, being His eternal loving servants in their infinite original position and full spiritual potential.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or personal direct expansions (Known as Visnu-tattva, or the Lord playing a different role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Krsna are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-souls endowed with independence and free will) like us." (BG, Ch 10 text 37, Purport)

The explanation Srila Prabhupāda gives of how the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) entered the material creation, is they originally came from their eternal home, Goloka Vrindavana, or from one of the Vaikuṇṭha planets in the perpetual spiritual world, long, long, long ago, the jiva-souls NEVER came from the impersonal brahmajyoti or the Body of Maha-Visnu as some foolishly believe.

The individual jiva-souls are beginningless and endless and have no starting point of origin as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

All individual jīva-souls are ETERNAL persons, therefore there are no new jiva-souls being created because they have ALWAYS existed meaning they are beginningless and endless.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have no origin or beginning point because they have ALWAYS existed for infinity as explained above. 

So in Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, the individual jiva-souls were NEVER created there either by Krsna because they have always existed in the Spiritual Sky and are beginningless and endless like Kṛṣṇa. 

As said above, the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have eternally existed as individual "persons" as a spiritual bodily form as Bhagavad Gita As It Is 1983 edition, Ch 2 text 20 clearly explains-

Bhagavad Gita As It Is -"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20)

Srila Prabhupada – "We have also come down from Vaikuntha some millions and millions of years ago." (BG, Aug 6, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 25 April 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

These are clear statements by Srila Prabhupāda about where jiva-souls have come from. There is no contradiction in Srila Prabhupada's words above. Keep in mind, less than 10% of eternal individual jiva-souls choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana and enter the temporary material world, then later fall further to the impersonal dormant brahmajyoti after becoming frustrated with material existences cycle of repeated birth and death.

However, over 90% of individual jiva-souls never choose to leave the spiritual world's of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka Vrindavana. The fact is, no other Acarya has given clear simple teachings on so many aspects of Krsna consciousness as Srila Prabhupada has.

The impersonal aspect of the brahmajyoti or Spiritual sky (where eternal individual jiva-souls are "inactive" temporarily), is also part of Krsna's Bodily effulgence made up of unlimited eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) existing "dormantly" (inactive) but cannot stay in that "dormant conditioned state" eternally due to the eternal nature of the individual jiva-souls is to be fully active as a person ultimately in a voluntary role in Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. 

The Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky is Krsna's Bodily effulgence and includes the entire Spiritual Sky (everything) which is- 

1 - The "non-conditioned" active eternal ever fresh spiritual world of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana. 

2 - The "conditioned" partially active temporary material world that is always in a state of decomposition, which forces the eternal individual jiva-souls to repeatedly change material bodies (because they constantly wear out) while in the impermanent material world. 

3 -  The "conditioned" impersonal (dormant) "inactive" aspect of the brahmajyoti (the impersonal brahmajyoti) where the eternal individual jiva-souls are almost dead consciously. 

However, merging one's individual identity and personality into the dormant oneness of the impersonal brahmajyoti, attempting to extinguish one's individual personality is considered spiritual suicide to a Vaisnava. 

Entering the impersonal brahmajyoti is really attempting to extinguish one's individual identity and personality which is also a temporary achievement, no jiva-souls eternally remain in the impersonal brahmajyoti. 

All those "inactive" (dormant) individual jiva-souls (yogis, scholars, mystic and other fools who have attempted to extinguish their individual existence by this attempted spiritual suicide, eventually, after billions of life time of Lord Brahma exiting dormantly, come out of their individual merged (with other individual jiva-souls) "non-activity" and again become active by taking birth in the temporary material world, beginning in the lower species of life and from there transmigrating through 8 million 400 thousand species of material bodies. 

The eternal nature of the individual jiva-souls is to be ALWAYS active, and that really means fully active in Kṛṣṇa's service within His eternal pastimes. 

Entering the impersonal brahmajyoti is an attempt to end one's unique personality and all existence by the fallen jiva-souls in an attempt to no long experience the suffering of repeated birth and death in the temporary decaying material creation.

As said above, to a Vaisnava, such an act of attempting to extinguish one's identity, individuality and personality and forget everything, is spiritual suicide.

Therefore, the impersonal brahmajyoti is the dormant (inactive) destination of so called liberated spiritual jiva-souls, like many yogis, jnanis (mental speculators) and various religionists that have not attained their real full potential of pure devotional service, returning back to their original home, the Vaikuntha planets serving Visnu or Goloka Vrindavana as Krsna's dear friend. 

The impersonal (inactive or dormant) aspect of brahmajyoti is also eternal but the jiva-souls position in it is only temporary, no jiva-soul can remain in the impersonal brahmajyoti eternally. 

Unlike Christanity, Islam and Judaism, there is no "eternal condemnation" for the eternal individual jiva-souls in the teachings of Krsna in Bhagavad Gita As It Is and Srimad Bhagavatam, only a cruel unloving God would keep an individual jiva-soul eternally in the confines of a perpetual Hell, or dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti for eternity Prabhupada has explained.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul within impersonal aspect of the brahmajyoti is a perpetual conscious living individual person, who ARE a spiritual bodily form (vigraha) eternally in their full potential in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

However, while in the impersonal brahman, or brahmajyoti, the jiva-souls appear as an insignificant dormant (inactive) "spark" in a collective of unlimited individual jiva-souls.

This "inactive" (almost dead to a Vaisnava) condition in the impersonal brahmajyoti, can last for a very, very, very long time, equivalent to billions of life times of Lord Brahma who lives for 311 trillion and 40 billion years.

But eventually the jiva-souls in their fallen condition in the impersonal brahmajyoti, fall from there too and again take birth in the material creation because the nature of the jiva-soul is to be active, not inactive.

There is no birth or death for the jiva-souls as Bhagavad Gita As It explains above. For the collective individual life force (the individual jiva-souls), there is no beginning or end to their existence. 

As said above, the eternal individual jiva-souls were NEVER created, they are just as old as Krsna, meaning both Kṛṣṇa and His Visnu-tattva direct expansions and the individual jiva-souls separated expansions, have existed for infinity and were never created.

Material existence means repeated birth and death because every material bodily vessel is temporary due to constant decomposition but the jiva-soul with the temporary material bodily vessel is eternal and can never be destroyed when the material body is destroyed.

In this way, the individual eternal jiva-souls are passengers in the material bodily vessel or covering.

Therefore, they are forced to change bodily vessels because all material bodies eventually decay, break down and cease to function but the jiva-soul remains indestructible.

In the material world, everything is temporary that eventually breaks down, decays and wears out making the declining material bodily vessels unit for the etrnal individual jiva-souls to occupy.

In the Padma Purana it is explained that eternal individual life (jiva-souls) who have entered the material world, are covered by 8 million 400 thousand material species of material bodily forms (vessels), divided into six groups, namely- 

microbes, viruses and bacteria, 

acquatics, 

trees, 

insects, 

birds, 

animals, 

humans (400 thousand different species of humans including those on the heavenly and hellish planets). 

There are nine hundred thousand types of acquatics, two million types of trees, 1.1 million types of insects, one million types of birds, three million types of animal bodies, and four hundred thousand types of human bodies including the "subtle bodies" of Brahma and Yamaraj. 

These add up to 8 million 400 thousand species of life in our material universe's 14 planetary systems.  

Note - there are unlimited material universes known as Brahmandas coming from Maha-Visnu, and deep within each Brahmanda universe is a secondary material universe where Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Brahma, the demigods and planetary systems exist.

There is only one Maha-Visnu however, there are unlimited Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Brahmas. 

Srila Prabhupada - "According to his identification with material or spiritual nature, he receives a material or spiritual body. In material nature he may take a body from any of the 8,400,000 species of life, but in spiritual nature he has only one body. In material nature he is manifested sometimes as a man, demigod, animal, beast, bird, etc., according to his karma." (BG, Ch 8 text 3, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are 8,400,000 species of living beings beginning from the highest intellectual being, Brahmā, down to the insignificant ant, and all of them are enjoying the material world according to the desires of the subtle mind and gross material body. The gross material body is based on the conditions of the subtle mind, and the senses are created according to the desire of the living being." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 33, Purport)^^^.











Sunday, April 14, 2024

It is a paradox that free will exists when Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Many ask how can the jiva-souls live a separate existence from Krsna if they choose, when they are His minor expansions? And that EVERYTHING is Kṛṣṇa's expansion in different categories?

The result of "the paradox" that the eternal individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have their "free will" (independent voluntary acts of self-expression) is that the eternal individual jiva-souls can ALWAYS choose to exist with Krsna, or separate from Him even though fully dependent on His energies.

This is eternally happening, even though Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of everything and not a blade of grass moves without His sanction.

This means Krsna will ALWAYS sanction free will to allow the eternal individual jiva-souls to voluntarily choose for themselves how to serve Krsna. 

Krsna allows this because without free will the jiva-souls could never participate in a "two-way" character building reciprocal relationship with Krsna.

It is important to first understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna but simultaneously have their separate existence too, this paradox is necessary to create the diversity that the individual jiva-souls have their own sense of feeling they are an independent separate PERSON. 

However, even though they can never be independent from Krsna's energies, they can still express themselves separate from Krsna's Personality because each jiva-soul has their own unique independent personality.

In other words, the paradox is the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) can always express their own unique independence and individuality even though Krsna is the Supreme Controller, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and not a blade of grass moves without His will as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

This happens because Krsna provides free will for the purpose of encouraging personal contributions expressed in a "two-way" loving exchange where they are able to offer to Krsna their own personal singular offerings, even separate from Krsna's influence if they choose.

In the spiritual world's of Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, loving devotional service is never a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, real love or service is always voluntary expressed in reciprocal "two-way" exchanges in God's (Krsna) Kingdom.

Voluntary reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God with Krsna can only be expressed in a genuine loving way when there are "two" involved in loving exchanges nurtured and encouraged by Krsna.

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions involving loving exchanges, can only be expressed due to the jiva-souls having free will.

Such free will is always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls, which adds flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a one-sided dominating impersonal stagnant domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.

As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence.

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, not just one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna!

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

This also means the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity (jiva-soul)," and is the foundation for all jiva-souls so they can express a "two-way" relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, India Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa– "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first]- "Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy )

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna even though they can express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes and not a blade of grass can move without His sanction, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that everything comes from Krsna including free will-

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden).

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together."

Syamasundara dasa - "How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably."

Syamasundara dasa - "And is Paramatma a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, every expansion of Kṛṣṇa is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is the jivatma or the eternal individual jiva-soul, also a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, if he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but Krsna is the supreme individual Person."

Syamasundara dasa - "So even within material atoms there is a spiritual life, a spiritual force?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, force means spiritual force."

Syamasundara dasa - "But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition."

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual soul's force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms. The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Krsna is within every atom, and therefore Krsna wants whatever is to be. Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever. Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna."

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No (not without the sanction of Krsna) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence."

Srila Prabhupada - "We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna first, including free will because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. Nothing happens without the sanction of Krsna.

However, Krsna will always sanction free will which is the ability choose for yourself based on self expression, regardless of what is said above because without free will, the jiva-souls could never voluntary contribute in their own individual way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa. 

This is why real love can only exist in a healthy relationship when there is a "two-way" exchange. Otherwise we are no better than dead stone or mindless puppets under the manipulative control of the puppeteer. If Krsna denies the jiva-souls their free will and having their own independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality, then His Kingdom is loveless and useless! Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa is simply making the point that everything is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us-

"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord."

In other words, the jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it, so they can experience a voluntary contributioning relationship with Krsna. On the other hand, without free will in the spiritual worlds would only make Vaikuntha an impersonal emotionally stagnant lifeless place like dead stone!

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana. This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are eternal "persons" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana. It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul must have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, that allows them to be an independent voluntary contributing separate free thinking part and parcel expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all eternal individual jiva-souls have because without free will voluntary loving exchanges, self expression and reciprocation can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

As said above, having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel of their eternal character and individual personality who are separate from Krsna's Personality in the spiritual world. This means the jiva-souls can choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana at anytime. Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of free will or loving exchanges.

The choice to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose, otherwise what is the point of having free will?

By entering the material world the unnatural painful cycle of repeated birth, disease, old age and death also is part of the material bodily vessel they accept. The individual jiva-souls in the material world experience being covered by a material bodily vessel they foolishly take for granted and believe is them.

Therefore, the frustration caused from the constant changing of material bodily vessels experienced by those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who foolishly choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter the material creation.

This is because the material creation is always in a constant progressive state of decay, decline, in need of constant maintenance and forgetfulness.

Therefore, the eternal individual jiva-soul's temporary material bodily vessel (covering) always wears out, breaks down and decays and eventually dies.

But the eternal individual jiva-souls, covered by the material temporary bodily vessels, are eternal and therefore never subjected to the decay and decline of material energy.

However, the jiva-souls contained in a "subtle material body", are forced to continuously change "gross material bodies" because of the temporary nature of the material creation.

The suffering of the eternal individual jiva-soul within this temporary material nature, does not happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the jiva-soul's choices.

No, Krsna is not responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material creation, even though the massive Brahmanda material universes are Krsna's creation, built by His expansion Maha-Visnu.

The suffering in the material creation happens because at one point in the spiritual worlds, the individual jiva-soul has "chosen" to misuse their "free will", given to them by Krsna for the purpose of allowing voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings and loving exchanges.

Therefore, as a result of mistakingly misusing their free will, the jiva-soul is forced by their own actions, to enter the temporary material creation and become entangled in the repeated cycle of birth and death.

The spherical material universal shells coming from Maha-Visnu, are called Brahmandas.

Deep inside each massive Brahmanda spherical shell is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha-Visnu.

From Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe inside the Brahmanda as painting below reveals.

Krsna will never interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the jiva-souls would have no independent sense of self, or abilities to accept and experience genuine loving exchanges and service.

Without having that independent sense of individual uniqueness, or having the personal individual desires that allows one to "choose" for themselves how to voluntary serve Kṛṣṇa as a unique person, then how is genuine love "between two" possible?

Being involved in loving exchanges of service between Krsna and the jiva-souls, based on loving reciprocation, then there can be no question of genuine respect ful love.

These are the characteristics that make the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) the individual "persons" they are eternally, and Krsna the Supreme individual person who cannot exist without His loving devotees.

Loving exchanges or service in the spiritual world are never a "one-way street," love can only exist when "two" are exchanging loving service to each other voluntarily.  Only then when there is loving reciprocation and exchanges of good feelings between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love exist.

Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other in a mutual exchange can love exist.

In this way, real love or service is always based on a "two-way exchange of feelings."

The fact is Krsna serves His devotees far more than they can ever serve Him, Krsna is always serving His devotees. Often the great loving emotions in Krsna consciousness is felt while in separation from Kṛṣṇa as the gopis often experienced in Vṛndāvana.

Krsna is never cruel to His devotees, such love felt in separation from Krsna is understood by advanced devotees as the highest love for Kṛṣṇa.  

As also said above, being able to offer individual contributions to Krsna or Visnu will enhance, increase, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

This can only exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.

Although there is a different selfless standard on the level of the gopis, as said above their greatest intense love for Kṛṣṇa is experienced in separation.

Srila Bhaktivenode Thakura also prays in the same way as the gopis feeling intense separation from Kṛṣṇa.

Others rightly claim also if Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute their own choices of service.

I always try to remember that the love the gopis and Radharani have for Kṛṣṇa, is way above our understanding, they are in a league of their own very few can understand.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity," and the foundation for all jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

In the spiritual world or kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana), loving service can never be a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, real love or service is always an exchange of voluntary loving exchanges between two in a two-way relationship.

Surrendering one's free will to Krsna so He can have completely control over your every thoughts and actions is spiritual suicide. In other words, trying to extinguish you individuality by allowing Krsna to do all your thinking and actions for you, is dangerous impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, on the point of revolver. "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love." (July 8, 1976 Washington, D.C United States).

As said above, such impersonalism that demands one should be just like a mindless puppet in the hands of the puppet master, where the puppeteer  controls his mindless puppets by moving the strings has no sense of life, freedom or independence, similarly if Krsna had full control over the individual jiva-soul's ability to make their own choices, it would deny the jiva-souls from experiencing their own personal sense of being independent and being able to make their own decisions, choices and personal unique contributions.

Sadly, this type of bogus surrender, where immature religious leaders demanded you "surrender" your free will and let Krsna flow through you and do all your thinking for you, was once a serious problem in many religious cults when trying to understand what "real" surrender to Krsna (God) really is. This kind of mindless surrender denying who you real are as a person is actually impersonalism.

The fact is, if Krsna had full dictatorial control over the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, then that one-sided relationship is only empty impersonalism, slaverly and devoid of real love. Only a fool would want to be Krsna's mindles slave by attempting to extinguish their individuality, free will and independence thoughts that makes them the person they are who can choose to contribute to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa.

Such a nonsense "one-sided" dictatorial relationship on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, would simply make the jiva-souls no better than mindless lifeless dead stone Prabhupada has warned, just like a lifeless puppet controlled by strings!

Therefore the eternal individual jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, always have their own independent free will that is part and parcel of their unique individual marginal identity (as jiva-soul)

This freedom of having free will, allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.

In other words, each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theres. These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" character  building exchange between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu on the Vaikuntha planets or Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavana.

So, why then does Krsna allow the eternal individual jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?" Why doesn’t Krsna save me from coming to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence, that is force, in Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy, you love me, you love me, you love me, is it love? "You love me, otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver, you love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).<<>>

















Friday, April 12, 2024

Srila Prabhupada explains without "free will" the eternal individual jiva-souls are no better than dead stone!

Without "free will" the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) could can never experience unique individual self expression or voluntary contributions and offerings with Krsna in a "two-way" relationship of loving exchanges.  

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

"Free will" means voluntarily contributing to one's eternal relationship with Krsna making the relationship always a "two-way" reciprocal exhange. 

Free will also means the eternal individual jiva-souls can choose to reject Krsna at anytime, otherwise "free will" has no meaning. 

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are eternally part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa who are known as Krsna's separated expansions (a paradox) 

The eternal individual jiva-soul (marginal living entities) natural constitution is they ALWAYS exists without beginning or end on the spiritual planets but some (less than 10%) choose to enter the material world. 

As said above, free will in its full potential ONLY exists on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavan, which are the eternal individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) original perpetual home.

As Srila Prabhupada explains, the relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-soul is never a "one-way" domineering relationship that denies voluntary personal contributions and offerings.

No, loving exchanges and reciprocation are ALWAYS based on a relationship between two because loving exchanges can only exist when there are two as Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupāda – "Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it, that is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada – "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Ultimately, each individual jiva-soul is a unique person as eternal spiritual bodily form, who can choose for themselves to voluntarily serve Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, or ignore Him if they choose. As Prabhupada explains, Krsna never forces you to surrender to Him, never forces you to love Him, that must be voluntary.

For free will to truly exist these options must always be there.

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna NEVER forces you to love Him, that MUST be voluntary. Love is reciprocal, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krishna does not want to become a lover like that." (July 8, 1976)

Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, then why are we here? Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence, that is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy and demand from them, you love me, you love me, you love me. Is it love? You love me otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Real love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love, not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rapist?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).

The individual jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, are forever expanding their unique expressions due to their individuality, with personal offerings (contributions) based on free will (freedom of expression) with selfless loving exchanges and reciprocation with Krsna, it is NEVER a one-sided master/slave impersonal relationship with the Krsna (God).

Real love, bhakti or service is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER on a "one-way street" of domination where this impersonal "surrender" to Krsna takes away the individual jiva-soul's free will, sense of independent self, individuality, voluntarily expressing one's unique personality by offering their personal contributions to Krsna.

This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own autonomous personality separate from Krsna's Personality, having their own unique characteristics THEY each only have that no other individual  jiva-soul also has.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul is a unique individual meaning no two jiva-souls are the same.

All these qualities are part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities (jiva-soul's) constitutional make up in the spiritual world as the independent unique separated "PERSON" they are eternally.

The paradox is the jiva-soul's have their independence but are simultaneously dependent of Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence."(Conversation Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Having the qualities of being an eternal PERSON like Krsna as a spiritual bodily form, also includes the jiva-souls having their FREE WILL as part and parcel of their constitutional make up as said above.

Krsna does not want to be surrounded by mindless drones who have no idea how to voluntarily make their own offerings and contributions in their relationship with Krsna.

Each eternal individual jiva-soul always has their unique idependent individuality, as part of their constitutional make up, to make personal contributions to expand and enriche the relationship of loving exchanges between Krsna and His devotees.

Sadly, many foolishly believe extinguishing your individuality and free will and just becoming Krsna's yes men/women is the real meaning of surrender. They are wrong! 

Their belief is-

"Hand over and "surrender" your individuality and free will by letting Krsna's will flow through you and control your every actions and thoughts like a puppet master controls a puppet."

Such dictatorial impersonal loveless so called surrender always ends in spiritual suicide.

Real surrender on the other hand, is to use your free will to voluntarily choose to serve Krsna with personal contributions in a "two-way" relationship of cooperation, recognition, reciprocation and loving exchanges. This is the difference between PERSONALISM and IMPERSONALISM.

Love is NEVER a "one-way street," the individual jiva-soul's MUST have their free will too, which is only possible in a "two-way" exchange of voluntary offerings and service.

The "spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT a dictatorial "one-way" impersonal directive, or a domineering demanding totalitarian that denies personal contributions, where God (Krsna/Visnu does all the thinking and decision making for you, no, the spiritual planets are NOT impersonal or emotionally dead like that.

The fact is, on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana (the Kingdom of God) there are ALWAYS loving exchanges, cooperation, personal unique individual contributions based on "free will", and loving enriching reciprocation going on between "two," between Krsna and His devotees because without these attributes there can never be loving exchanges.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Therefore "loyalty" is ALWAYS a "two-way" street where the jiva-souls have their own unique individual personality seperate from Krsna's Personality, allowing them to add their own personal unique expressions into the relationship with Krsna that expand and forever enhances and enriches one's friendship with Krsna. 

Krsna will NEVER "force" the individual jiva-souls to do what we do not "choose" to do on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana because they have contributions too and are NOT Krsna's mindless pawns, puppets and Krsna's emotionless "yes" Men/Women.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force. Why one is called lover, another is called rapist?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

So, clearly surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotees is NOT impersonal, it does NOT mean giving up your intelligence, free will, individuality and the awareness of being an independent unique contributing person you are eternally.

The spiritual world's of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT an impersonal domineering mindless place for the individual jiva-souls, where Krsna does all the thinking  for them in their relationship with Krsna. 

No, the Kingdom of God is not impersonal like that in anyway, there is ALWAYS voluntary loving exchanges going on based on reciprocation between Krsna and His devotees in a two-way exchange.

Srila Prabhupada - “The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you MUST have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

One's relationship with God (Krsna) in His Kingdom is NEVER a "one-sided" master/slave mindless none contributing dictatorship as explained above, Prabhupada is telling us here.

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression their individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on personal contributions and free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)."*÷*






Wednesday, April 10, 2024

The tatastha-sakti condition of the eternal individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) refers only to those jiva-souls who are already in a fallen conditional state outside of the spiritual world's of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, or those who have fallen further to the impersonal (inactive) brahmajyoti.

The jiva-souls in the spiritual world are not conditioned, therefore they are not referred to as tatastha-sakti, a terminology describing the "conditioned state" of the individual jiva-souls outside the spiritual world.  

Those individual jiva-souls who fall to this tatastha-sakti designation outside of the spiritual world, means they have fallen first to the material world by choosing to ignore Visnu and Krsna and leave the Vaikuntha planets or Krsna's central planet of Goloka Vrindavana and enter the material world. 

Furthermore, tatastha-sakti also includes those individual jiva-souls who eventually become frustrated with the temporary decaying nature of material existence, due to the constant suffering that repeated birth and death causes and attempt to enter the impersonal brahmajyoti. 

The fallen eternal individual jiva-souls, frustrated with material existence, then attempts to extinguish their individual existence and unique personality (which is really attempted spiritual suicide), by entering a dormant (inactive) state of consciousness (being almost dead) within the impersonal brahmajyoti. 

However, entering an "inactive conscious state" known as the impersonal brahmajyoti, is also only a temporary solution to the jiva-soul's suffering on its journey that is beginningless and endless.

This is because "inactivity" is unnatural for the eternal individual jiva-souls and being "active" is the eternal natural state of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) ultimately in the pastimes of Kṛṣṇa.

The individual jiva-soul's dormant (inactive) existence in the impersonal brahmajyoti is therefore NOT eternal, as said above, the eternal nature of the individual eternal jiva-souls is to be ALWAYS active in the service of the Lord as a volunteering contributing PERSON in perpetual spiritual bodily form. 

So, eventually after a long, long, long, long time of inactivity in the impersonal brahmajyoti, the fallen individual jiva-souls AGAIN take birth in the material world and again become "active."  

So clearly entering the "fallen conditional state" in the impersonal brahmajyoti is temporary because the original perpetual nature of the individual jiva-souls is to be ALWAYS active in Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.

In the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other," just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower.

By rejecting Krsna's pastimes the jiva-souls still remain active but not in Kṛṣṇa's service, they now follow their own self centred desires and become "active" within the 8 million 400 thousand species of life (material bodily vessels) within the material world of which only 400 thousand are human species.

This means 8 million species of life have no free will in the material world but exist on the basis of instinct - 

eating, 

sleeping, 

mating,

defending. 

Tatastha-sakti does not describe those individual jiva-souls in their original eternal "none-fallen" position on the Vaikuntha planets or in Goloka Vrindavana, tatastha-sakti therefore describes the none-Krsna conscious condition of the fallen jiva-souls in both material existence and the impersonal brahmajyoti.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this temporary material world is the taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the permanent (personal) characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (materially conditioned) characteristics and enter the permanent (personal)  characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture, CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358, New York City, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha-śakti. Just like in the seaside the shore, the beach, sometimes you see it is covered by water and sometimes it is land. Similarly, when we are covered by māyā, that is our jīva-bhūta stage (which means struggling under the laws of material nature), and when there is no more material covering, that is brahma-bhūta stage (realizing you are the jiva-soul above material influence). When we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, then we are brahma-bhūta (SB 4.30.20), and when we are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, we are materially conscious (jiva-bhuta), that is māyā." (Lecture BG, Ch 7 Text 4-5 Bombay, March 30, 1971)

So, clearly the marginal living entities or jiva-souls are not called tatastha-sakti in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana as Prabhupada explains above because the word tatastha-sakti is a "conditioned fallen" designation of the jiva-souls. 

In the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana the individual jiva-souls are NOT in a "conditioned fallen state, they are in their natural full spiritual potential as Krsna's eternal servant and therefore NOT called tatastha-sakti.

As said in the beginning, tatastha-sakti refers to the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in their "fallen conditional state" in both the material creation and when dormant in the (impersonal) Brahmajyoti.

Revatīnandana Dasa - "Srila Prabhupāda you very clearly explained to me once in a letter that if the jiva-soul then goes into the brahmajyoti, he is considered still fallen, still fallen. So does that means the whole brahmajyoti is composed of fallen souls? You see my question? If I go there, I'm a jīva-soul, and I go to the brahmajyoti I'm still fallen."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes."

Revatīnandana Dasa - "That means all jīva-souls there in the impersonal Brahman (Brahmajyoti) are also fallen souls?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition (Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha). The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, LA 13 June, 1970 and 1971 London)

The full potential and original infinite feature (bodily spiritual anti-matter form) of all eternal marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body. 

All individual jīva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal PERSONS without any beginning or end to their existence, this means there are no new jiva-souls ever being created because they have ALWAYS existed. So clearly, the jiva souls are indestructible and can never be destroyed, terminated, divided into pieces or extinguished. 

The individual jiva-soul's being "generated" from the "marginal plane or energy" does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from a beginning source because the jiva-souls were NEVER created, they have existed for infinity just like Krsna has.

The jiva-souls are therefore beginningless and endless and as old as Kṛṣṇa as Bhagavad Gita As It Is teaches.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "corrected" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again.Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Because all jīva-souls are ETERNAL spiritual persons as a spiritual bodily form with no beginning or end to their existence, there are no new individual jiva-souls ever being created.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 9th July 1970)

The individual jiva-souls also have eternal bodily spiritual form and are NOT impersonal.

Srila Prabhupada - "God is also human form, "man is made after the shape of God." So Kṛṣṇa is also like human form, two hands, two legs." The human form is also the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

As said above, the original feature of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) looks like Krsna's Bodily form, the individual jiva-souls do NOT originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti or tatastha-sakti as some incorrectly believe because they have no origin, the jiva-souls are beginningless and endless.

Devotee - "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri dasa – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – [describing material form first] "Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri dasa - "Are they covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body if one desires. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4 Melb, May 20, 1975)

Devotee - "If jiva-soul is non-material, what is the form?

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. If you have got... You have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form."(Lecture BG, Ch 2 Text 14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupāda - "The impersonal conception of the Supreme is so detrimental to the path of devotional service that it is very difficult to associate with the stubborn non-devotees, who always think in terms of material conceptions. Impersonalists always think backwards. They think that because there is form in matter, spirit should be formless; because in matter there is sleep, in spirit there cannot be sleep; and because the sleeping of the Deity is accepted in arcanā worship, the arcanā is māyā. All these thoughts are basically material. To think either positively or negatively is still thinking materially. Knowledge accepted from the superior source of the Vedas is standard." (SB, Canto 3 Ch 9 Text 21, Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "This material body we are in is existing on the spiritual body. Just like your shirt. The shirt is existing on your actual hand. The shirt has got a hand because you have got hand. So matter is impersonal. But because the superior prakṛti, jīva, he is person, therefore the matter appears like a person. 

Because I have got hands and legs, therefore this cloth has got hands and legs. Otherwise the cloth has no hands and legs; it is impersonal. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. This body is just like dress. Just like your coat has got hand, your pant has got leg, but either the pant or coat has no leg, no hand. 

So, because you have got leg and hand, the coat has got leg and hand. Everyone can understand this. It is very easy. So the original (and eternally), the spirit soul has got form. 

Therefore the cloth has been cut into form. It is very easy to understand. It Otherwise how you get the form? And in this form the spirit soul is trying to enjoy this material world. But it is not puruṣa. It cannot enjoy. That is false. That is illusion." (Lecture SB, Canto 3 Ch 26 Text 3, Bombay, Dec 15, 1974)

Hayagrīva dasa - "Aquinas believed that God is the only single essence that consists of pure form. He felt that matter is only a potential and, in order to be real, must assume a certain shape or form. 

Being in the material universe have to acquire an individual form in order to actualize themselves. When matter unites with form, the form gives an object its individuality and personality. Actually it is the spiritual form that gives an object its individuality and personality.

Srila Prabhupāda - Yes, matter has no form but the jiva-soul has got form. Though matter is covering the actual form of the jiva-soul, the matter then appears to have form. Just like the original cloth has no form, but when the tailor cuts the cloth according to the body of the person, then the shirt and coat takes a form. 

The matter itself has no form. When you take clay, it has no form, but if you make it like a doll, like a man or woman, then it has a form. When you change the clay, and you manufacture a fort, then the fort has form. So, form and formlessness is of the matter, but in the spiritual world everything has got form. The spirit soul has got form. God has got form. This is the truth." (Discussion on Thomas Aquinas philosophy) 

Srila Prabhupāda - "In the material world any form-man or beast or anyone—in the outward, external covering is matter, but within the matter there is the soul. The soul has form and God has form. That is real form. And the material form is simply shirting and coating over the spiritual body."(Discussion on Thomas Aquinas philosophy) 

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are always called marginal energy whether in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy jiva-souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

The individual jiva-souls are ALWAYS eternally spiritual living beings (anti-matter) in both the spiritual world and material world. 

However, in the material world the eternal spiritual jiva-soul is covered by a temporary subtle and gross material bodily container or vessel that decomposes forcing the individual eternal spiritual (anti-matter) jiva-soul to constantly change material bodies.

Remember, maya or the material energy, does NOT exist on the Vaikuntha planets or in Goloka-Vrindavana, so Maya is unknown to the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in both the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

In the spiritual world the jiva-souls ARE their eternal spiritual bodily form voluntary serving Krsna or Visnu in unlimited ways and unlimited forms they can choose to serve Krsna as.

Srila Prabhupada - "Some devotees want to serve Krsna as a flower so they become a flower and lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, voluntarily, and can change from flower to human body, that is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, as a field as a chair Krsna sits on, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 Text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world ALL relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each other," just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower.

However, having free will, individuality, independence, experiencing a unique sense of individual self, and the ability to express all these qualities is eternally the constitutional makeup of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) on the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana..×..