We are all educated wrongly about who we really are!!

We are never a temporary decaying material body, we are eternally a individual spiritual bodily form that NEVER gets old or dies but is covered in the material world by a temporary material bodily vessel. 

It is only that material vessel (covering of the eternal individual jiva-soul) that gets old, breaks down, decomposes and becomes unfit to occupy, does this decaying material body again merges back into the oneness of lifeless material energy. 

There was no beginning to the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) existence, nor will there be an end as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains. 

The individual jiva-souls are eternal spiritual living PERSONS as a spiritual bodily form who can never be destroyed, terminated or extinguished, the individual jiva-souls are indestructible spiritual persons.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG, Ch 2 text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." (BG, Ch 2 text 13)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed." (BG, Ch 2 text 14)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent [the material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both." (BG, Ch 2 text 16)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul." (BG, Ch 2 text 17)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - “Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 19)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?" (BG, Ch 2 text 21)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones." (BG, Ch 2 text 22)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." (BG, Ch 2 text 23)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same." (BG, Ch 2 text 24)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body." (BG, Ch 2 text 25)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament."  (BG, Ch 2 text 27)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all." (BG, Ch 2 text 29)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is - "O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the material body can never be slain. Therefore, you need not grieve for any living being." (BG, Ch 2 text 30)

Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new individual jiva-souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the individual jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970)

If the individual jiva-souls choose, they can stay in the temporary decaying material universe's cycles of birth and death and cycles of annihilation and creations for an almost infinity. 

However, fortunately the fallen individual jiva-souls can make the right choice and return back home, back to Godhead (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana eternally within the Lords Pastimes) where there is no birth, disease, old age and death. 

Krsna is the origin and maintainer of all that there is therefore the individual jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it.

All Narayana/Visnu forms are expansions of Krsna who is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

The "original" Krsna resides for infinity in His personal abode known as Goloka Vrindavana, and never leaves.

Srila Prabhupada - "Kṛṣṇa as His original childhood form never leaves Vṛndāvana, all the forms of Kṛṣṇa that appear elsewhere are His Viṣṇu-tattva expansions." (BG, Ch 10 text 37)

Srila Prabhupada - "The original Lord Kṛṣṇa never leaves Goloka-Vṛndāvana. All the plenary expansions are one and the same Viṣṇu-tattva, and there is no difference in Their potency." (SB Canto 3 Ch 1 Text 34)

Srila Prabhupada - "Kṛṣṇa is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Baladeva (Balarama) is Kṛṣṇa's immediate expansion. Because Kṛṣṇa never leaves Vṛndāvana, all the forms of Kṛṣṇa that appear elsewhere are His expansions." (BG, Ch 10 Text 37)

However, when Krsna wants to enter the material creation, it is His first Visnu-tattva expansion, Balarama, who pays the role of Krsna in the material creation.

When Krsna enters the material creation, it is actually His first Visnu-tattva expansion (Balarama) paying that role of Krsna Prabhupada has explained.

Srila Prabhupada - "The first incarnation in the material creation, namely Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu, is the plenary part of the original Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, described in the Brahma-saṁhitā (BS 5.38) as follows-

"All the innumerable universes are maintained only during the breathing period of Mahā-Viṣṇu, or Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu, who is only a plenary part of Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead Lord Kṛṣṇa."

Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu is the first incarnation of the Supreme Lord, and He is the master of eternal time, space, cause and effects, mind, the elements, the material ego, the modes of nature, the senses, the universal form of the Lord, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, and the sum total of all living beings, both moving and non-moving.

The material creation is not permanent has been discussed many times hereinbefore. The material creation is but a temporary exhibition of the material energy of the Almighty God. This material manifestation is necessary to give a chance to the conditioned souls (individual jiva-souls) who are unwilling to associate with the Lord in the relationship of loving transcendental service. 

Such unwilling conditioned souls (individual jiva-souls) are not allowed to enter into the liberated life of spiritual existence because at heart they are not willing to serve. 

Instead, they want to enjoy themselves as imitation Gods. The living entities (individual jiva-souls) are constitutionally eternal servitors of the Lord, but some of them, because of misusing their independence, do not wish to serve; therefore they are allowed to enjoy the material nature, which is called māyā, or illusion. 

It is called illusion because the living beings (individual jiva-souls) under the clutches of māyā are not factually enjoyers, although they think that they are, being illusioned by māyā. 

Such illusioned living entities (individual jiva-souls) are given a chance at intervals to rectify their perverted mentality of becoming false masters of the material nature, and they are imparted lessons from the Vedas about their eternal relationship with the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa (vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ (BG 15.15). 

So, the temporary creation of the material manifestation is an exhibition of the material energy of the Lord, and to manage the whole show the Supreme Lord incarnates Himself as the Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu just as a magistrate is deputed by the government to manage affairs temporarily. 

This Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu causes the manifestation of material creation by looking over His material energy (sa aikṣata). 

In the first volume of this book we have already discussed to some extent the explanation of the verse jagṛhe pauruṣaṁ rūpam. The duration of the illusory play of material creation is called a kalpa, and we have already discussed the creation's taking place in kalpa after kalpa. 

By His incarnation and potential activities, the complete ingredients of creation, namely

time, 

space, 

cause, 

result, 

mind.

The gross and subtle elements and their interactional modes of nature.

goodness, 

passion, 

ignorance.

And then the senses and their reservoir source, the gigantic universal form as the second incarnation Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, and all living beings, both moving and standing, which come out of the second incarnation, all became manifested. Ultimately, all these creative elements and the creation itself are but potential manifestations of the Supreme Lord; nothing is independent of the control of the Supreme Being." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 6 Text 42 Purport)

Krsna is the original source of all Narayana or Visnu forms of God who are His expansions residing in the unlimited perpetual Vaikuntha planets that surround His central abode of Goloka-Vrindavana (taking up 75% of the Spiritual Sky)

Krsna further expands, via His first Visnu-tattva expansion, first as Balarama and eventually as Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu ) who creates and manages the unlimited temporary material universes called Brahmandas that take up 25% of the Spiritual Sky.

These unlimited number of Brahmandas are coming from the Body of Maha-Visnu through His breathing and pores.

Each Brahmanda universe is massive in size and houses a secondary smaller spherical material universe inside of them where Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Brahma reside.

Each individual inner secondary material universe is surrounded by a larger Brahmanda universe. This outer Brahmanda universal covering of the secondary universe is made up of 7 layers of material qualities (both subtle and gross material elements). Each massive Brahmanda universe encases and surrounds the inner secondary material universe deep inside it.

Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu (Maha-Visnu)  expands again as Garbhodakashayi Visnu who creates the secondary material universe inside the Brahmanda.

Then from Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Brahma manifests who creates the different planetary systems within each inner secondary material universe made up of millions of planets as explained in Srimad Bhagavatam's 5th Canto.

Due to the massive material elements that make up the outer Brahmanda universe, no one inside their inner universe can see outside of their own universe Srimad Bhagavatam explains, this means from within our small material universe inside our Brahmanda, we cannot see the billions of other Brahmandas around us.

Deep inside our Brahmanda is a secondary material universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu where Brahma manages the 14 different planetary systems.

Each secondary material universe deep inside their Brahmanda, has a different amount of planetary systems according to Srimad Bhagavatam.

In other words, the Brahmanda universe and its inner secondary universe inside it, all come in different sizes.

Karanodakshayi Visnu (Maha-Visnu) is sleeping and dreaming the activities within each of Garbhodakashayi Visnu's secondary material universes that are deep within each of the unlimited number of Brahmanda universes.

Those dreams Maha-Visnu has, are all the activities happening within each of the Garbhodakashayi Visnu's secondary universes.

Karanodakshayi Visnu (Maha-Visnu) is seen laying down sleeping and Garbhodakashayi Visnu is seen within each of His Brahmanda universes.

When Maha-Visnu dreams, He first creates the entire material universe known as the Maha-tattva (matter) which takes up 25% of the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti,

As said, the other 75% is the Spiritual Sky is "anti-matter" that is forever fresh, always youthful and never decays, known as the perpetual Vaikuntha planets of Visnu and Krsna's central abode of Goloka-Vrindavan. 

Not to be confused with the mundane nonsense modern scientific theory of what anti-matter is.

Within Maha-Visnu's 25% of the Spiritual Sky called the temporary material creation (mahat-tattva), we find it is always in a state of decay, decline and impermanence, requiring constant maintenance.

Each individual jiva-soul who chooses to enter the mundane material creation, are eventually forced into the cycle of repeated birth and death, by being forced to possess a temporary material bodily outer vessel or container subject to decay and constant maintenance.

As said above, the visiting individual jiva-souls in the material creation are subject to repeated birth and death because the material bodies they are in are temporary and therefore eventually wear out, break down and cease to operate (death).

So to make it clearer-

1 - Within this temporary material creation, we find unlimited individual massive single Brahmanda universes coming from the Body of Maha-Visnu (Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu).

2 - And deep inside each of those massive Brahmanda universes, there is a secondary smaller material universe where Maha-Visnu expands Himself as Garbhodakashayi Visnu.

3 - And from Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Lord Brahma appears from His naval at the top of a lotus flower.

4 - Then Lord Brahma builds the many planetary systems inside each of the inner secondary universes deep inside their individual Brahmanda.

There is only one Maha-Visnu in the material creation yet an unlimited number of Garbhodakashayi Visnus and Lord Brahmas.

Also, it is important to understand, the number of planetary systems deep inside each Brahmanda, vary in size, some larger and some smaller than others.

Our material universe within our Brahmanda has 14 planetary systems in it called Bhu-Mandala and is considered a small material universe as explained in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto, being only 4 billion miles in diameter.

Some Cosmologists think this figure of 4 billion miles in diameter describing our material universe inside our Brahmanda, is way, way too small of a figure.

Many scholars suggest the figure of 4 billion miles or 500 million yojanas in diameter our universe is, as described in the 5th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, is really a code that needs decoding because they claim just our solar system alone is said to be 22 billion miles in diameter, and the planet Pluto is supposedly 5 billion miles from our earth planet. 

Another answer is the measurement of ''space/time'' is different on each planetary system, just like the fabric of "space/time" moves at a different rate in each of the 14 planetary systems. For example, 100 earth years on Brahmaloka, the highest planetary system out of the 14 systems, is 311 trillion and 40 billion human years long.

So, obviously far more to this figure for our material universe inside our Brahmanda, claiming it is just a mere 4 billion miles in diameter, seems to be going on, because the figure of 4 billion miles diameter needs further investigation by Vedic scholars. 

Other universes inside their Brahmanda, have many, many more planetary systems than just 14, and are obviously much bigger than our mere 4 billion miles in diameter.

The fact is, the size of each Brahmanda and their inner universe, depends on the how many heads Lord Brahma has, some Lord Brahmas, like ours, has only 4 heads, while other Brahma's within their universe inside their Brahmanda, may have 10, 20, 50, 500, 1000, 100,000 or even a million or more heads.

In this way, all the quadrillions of Brahmanda universes coming from the Body of the sleeping Maha-Visnu (as seen in painting below), all have a secondary inner universe deep inside it also seen in painting.

Each massive Brahmanda universe has 7 material coverings or layers that surround and enclose each of the inner secondary material universe, this means the massive outer Brahmanda surrounding universe we are deep within, is 44 quadrillion 444 trillion 444 billion miles in diameter.

This explanation maybe the full size of the Brahmanda or could be just from the outer edge of our inner universe (Bhu-Mandala that houses the 14 planetary systems). If that is true then the full size of our Brahmanda is double the figure above.

The sleeping Maha-Visnu (Karanadakashayi Visnu) expands Himself into the inner secondary universe deep inside each Brahmanda, as Garbhodakashayi Visnu. This secondary material universe is in the Centre of each massive Brahmanda universe.

In the Srimad Bhagavatam, Bhu-Mandala that houses the 14 planetary systems, is called the “earth mandala,” not to be confused with our small earth globe. Bhu Mandala is a disk 500 million yojanas in diameter according to Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5 (4 billion miles in diameter)

Therefore the word ''earth'' has many meanings. For example, our small earth global round sphere is only 24,901 miles in circumference and is 7,917.5 miles in diameter, so it is not Bhu-Mandala. Our Bhu-Mandala material universe is 500 million yojanas in diameter which is 4 billion miles in diameter or 12.6 billion miles in circumference.

A yojana is a unit of distance about 8 miles long. 500,000,000 yojanas × by 8 = 4 billion miles in diameter. Therefore, the Bhu-Mandala and the 14 planetary systems inside it, is about 4 billion miles in diameter which is the size of our single material universe according to Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5.

Our earth planet is not flat as some foolishly believe, it is a round global sphere.

Srila Prabhupada - "On the ground our earth looks flat but when you go up you will see our earth planet is a ball." (Lecture New York City 1966)

The Sanskrit word "dvīpa" has two meanings

1 - "Islands" or "continents" on a planet

2 - "Globes or spheres" in outer space.

Bhu-Mandala is marked by circular features designated as islands (dvipas that can also mean planets) and oceans.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "planets" are called "dvīpas". Outer space is like an ocean of air. Just as there are islands in the watery ocean, these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space." (CC Madhya 20.218, Purport)

Therefore, the Bhu-Mandala universe inside it's surrounding Brahmanda, is far too big to be our small earth global sphere however, this does describe our single material universe with it's 14 planetary systems inside our surrounding Brahmanda.

In this way, the 14 planetary systems that make up the size of our single material universe, is deep inside our surrounding Brahmanda.

Furthermore, the circumference of our material universe with it's 14 planetary systems in it, is 500,000,000 yojanas in diameter or 4 billion miles in diameter.

This 4 billion miles diameter material universe inside the surrounding Brahmanda, is also the same size of Bhu-Mandala as described in the 5th Canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) are eternal spiritual persons who have no beginning point, or ending point, they were never created because they have always existed. 

This is very important to understand and defeats fools who claim the individual jiva-souls originate from the impersonal brahmajyoti or from an imaginary place they call tatastha-sakti which are both already fallen conditions of the individual jiva-souls.

There is also only one category of individual jiva-soul who have "two-sides" to their personality known as nitya-siddha (eternally situated in Krsna's pastimes times in the spiritual world) and nitya-baddha (when fallen from the spiritual world and conditioned in the material world forgetful of Krsna and Viṣṇu, or further fallen to become dormant (inactive) in the impersonal brahmajyoti).

The individual jiva-souls can be either nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned), however, the individual jiva-soul's original position is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), and the fallen condition of the individual jiva-soul is nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned). This means the individual jiva-soul's original infinite home is in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

As said above, there is only one category of the jiva-soul who can be either nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) or nitya-siddha (eternally liberated). To make it clearer, there is only "one kind" of "individual jiva-soul" existing and they are all known as the "marginal living entities" in both the spiritual and material worlds. 

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are always called marginal energy whether in the spiritual world or in the material world. There are instances where marginal energy or individual jiva-souls have fallen from the spiritual world, just like Jaya and Vijaya. So the potency to fall under the influence of the lower energy is always there. And thus the individual jiva-soul is called as Krsna’s marginal energy." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

Each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) in the spiritual world can "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways as an unlimited varieties of bodily forms, or can even reject Krsna if they choose to do so, and enter or return to the impermanent decaying material world.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-souls are Krsna’s marginal energy. Marginal energy means the individual jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy (nitya-siddha), or they may be under the control of material energy (nitya-baddha). But when the individual jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy (as nitya-baddha), that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy (as nitya-siddha), that is their original position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Being "marginal" means the individual jiva-souls can always choose to be under the influence of the spiritual energy or under the material energy or choose to be either nitya-siddha or nitya-baddha.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities or individual jiva-souls: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every individual jiva-soul is nitya-siddha." (CC lecture, July 13, 1976) 

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, the individual jiva-souls can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York City Lecture CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (London lecture BG, Ch 13 Text 14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who enters the material world, they become nitya baddha." (Lecture BG, Ch 13 Text 14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned individual jiva-souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana), does he ever fall down? The individual jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence (free will)may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence (free will)." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 25 April 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual spirit souls (individual jiva-souls) are coming from Vaikuntha (the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana), but in these temporary material worlds they are taking various grades of material bodies according to their material activities. There is no new individual jiva-souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the individual jiva-souls are never born and never die, so if there is no birth how there can be new individual jiva-souls." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 9 July 1970) 

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the individual jiva-souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities, usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence (free will) is always there, the individual jiva-souls may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence (free will)." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 22 Feb 1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "But his relationship with Krsna is never lost, simply forgotten by the influence of maya, it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original constitutional position (nitya-siddha). The relationship of the individual jiva-soul with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 27 Feb 1970)

Genuine meaningful loving exchanges are voluntary in a reciprocal "two-way" relationship, it is never a "one-way" forceful dictatorship where Krsna possess you and does all the thinking and actions for you, that is not surrender, it is impersonalism and spiritual suicide.

Surrender to Krsna's pure devotees does not mean you lose your free will, the independence of voluntary service, the ability to think for yourself, and unique individuality in the spiritual world, no, mindless surrender is impersonalism!  

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are eternal PERSONS, as a spiritual bodily form like Krsnas Body, whose perpetual permanent natural home is the spiritual world.

God (Krsna) is not only an all-pervading consciousness who is even in the atom, no, Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes is also simultaneously an individual "PERSON" as an eternal spiritual bodily Form, who's Bodily rays are the Brahmajyoti  which is everything including the impersonal aspect of the brahmajyoti made up of dormant (inactive) individual jiva-souls appearing there as individual formless spiritual sparks.

Devotee - "I want to know exactly what is the form of the body. If the individual jiva-soul is nonmaterial, what is the form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand, you have got leg; therefore your pant has got leg. Therefore, it is to be assumed that the spirit soul has got form, and it has developed into hands, legs, heads, everything. It is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say it has no form." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 14 Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Devotee - "Śrīla Prabhupāda, you state that the individual jiva-souls have form?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, otherwise how is the material body grown to accommodate the individual jiva-soul? Just like a shirt has no form, but when it's put on the body, it takes the shape of the body in its full potential as the human form." 

Devotee - "So that means the material human form has the full shape of the spiritual body accommodating it?"

Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes" (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 text 24 Hawaii, Jan 20, 1974)

The individual jiva-souls natural home is in the spiritual energy with Krsna or Visnu in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets as an individual spiritual PERSON as a spiritual bodily form like Krsna and Viṣṇu.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS called the "marginal living entities" meaning they can be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or choose to fall to the material energy.

The marginal living entity (individual jiva-soul) have always had their freedom (free will) therefore, there is no question of the individual jiva-souls ever not having free will because free will in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana is perpetually part and parcel of all individual jiva-soul's make up.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) originate from Goloka Vrindavana and not the Impersonal brahman or brahmajyoti as Prabhupada teaches.

The eternal constitution as said above, is all individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are nitya-siddha because they all come from Goloka-Vrindavana, only when they enter the material creation and the impersonal brahmajyoti do they then become nitya-baddha.

Therefore nitya-siddha can become a nitya-baddhas and nitya-baddhas can AGAIN become nitya-siddha.

No individual jiva-souls originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti which is an already fallen condition of consciousness the individual jiva-souls fall too as Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "Existence in the impersonal brahman (brahmajyoti) is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Devotee - "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that "Don’t fall down.

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving."

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you have got little freedom (free will). Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is desire."

Devotee - "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come, just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go." "All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence (free will), full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence (free will). If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?"

Answer - No, it is not based on a place where you can never fall down from that keeps you in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, it does not work that way because of free will, which means there is always choice to leave the spiritual world at any moment or voluntarily stay. If you were forced to stay there then how can there be love? 

The choice to leave or stay must always be with the individual jiva-souls too. Sadly, many cannot understand what free will really means, they sentimentally foolishly claim "not even the leaves fall from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana."

It is nonsense to claim the individual jiva-souls can ever again fall down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana because they each have their own voluntary expression of free will and therefore make their own decisions no matter what Kṛṣṇa promises.

Even Krsna's promises are something the individual jiva-souls only considers, it is their choice to accept them or reject them (even though this is a paradox in Krsna's creation) 

Remaining in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana is eternally based on what the individual jiva-souls voluntarily choose to do. 

Ultimately the individual jiva-souls are Krsna's eternal servants of Krsna in their original spiritual position in the spiritual world.

In simple terms, expressing their "free will" changes everything, it gives them a choice, and the fact is, less than 10% of individual jiva-souls do reject Krsna, it is also their choice to stay with Krsna or leave, such a decision is not only up to Krsna as explained above, otherwise there is no meaning to having free will, or the possibility of experiencing voluntary exchanges.

If Krsna forced His will on the individual jiva-souls then He destroys their independence, free will, unique personality and ability to voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, that allows the individual jiva-souls to choose where they want to be, and what they want to do, even if that means returning to the temporary material world.

In other words, the individual jiva-souls also have a choice to remain a servant of the Lord,  or reject Him if they want within the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana.

Genuine loving exchanges can never exist if one's relationship with Krsna the Supreme Lord was not in a "two-way" mood of voluntary reciprocation and co-operation.

Srila Prabhupada - "The individual jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is always voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, as a chair, as a flagpole or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that." (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

The individual jiva-souls never lose their unique ability of free will and having independent self expression, where one is personally always aware they can choose how to selflessly serve Krsna in their own unique distinctive way as the loving servant of the servant of Krsna, or ignore Him if they choose.

The claim that the individual jiva-souls do not ever again fall from Krsna's personal Kingdom is also the individual jiva-soul's responsibility and not just Krsnas. It is also the individual jiva-soul's choice as well, it is their free will to choose and no one else can choose for them! Including Krsna, otherwise what is the point of having free will if voluntary offerings can never exist?

However, 90% of all individual jiva-souls do not fall down from the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana because they choose not to fall down, but even that can change because of free will. In this regards nothing is permanent, not even remaining in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.

That choice to stay in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, or leave is always up to the marginal living entities or individual jiva-souls too in unison with Krsna, it is an eternal intimate relationship between Krsna and His devotees.  

The individual jiva-souls or marginal living entities have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities which means they have 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes. They also eternally have an independent unique distinctive identity, personality, individuality with the ability to choose for themselves. 

This means the individual jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna. Their individuality allows the individual jiva-souls the right to choose Krsna, or choose to be separate from Krsna, this is the meaning of having free will and independent self expression.  

Remember, Maya and the material energy do not exist in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, so Maya is unknown to the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world and is not the cause of their fall down from the spiritual world.

Free will and independence go hand in hand that allows the individual jiva-souls to experience their unique distinctive individuality by having the ability to express themselves in their own way. 

All these qualities are the constitutional makeup of each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana. And if those abilities are taken away, then the individual jiva-souls lose the ability to give and accept love and become no better than dead stone because they are denied free will.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. Do you want to be stone? Then, you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence (free will), therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got your independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence (free will)" (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

No one forces the individual jiva-souls to stay in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana, that choice is a reciprocal exchange between Krsna and His devotees.  

For loving exchanges to truly exist with the individual jiva-soul, they must have the the right to express themselves and choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent because of eternal free will.

Syamasundara - "But can we predict that the process (returning back home back to Godhead) will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners." 

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence and free will. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right, whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no question of permanent because he has got independence, he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back. but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussion on Henri Bergson philosophy)

The individual jiva-souls are minor expansions of Krsna endowed with individuality that allows them to experience an independent personal sense of self separate from Krsna. 

This allows the individual jiva-souls to make their own decisions and choices. Therefore, Krsna does not interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because it is part of the eternal constitution of all individual jiva-souls.

Krsna never at any point did not give freedom or free will to the marginal living entities (individual jiva-soul) because they have always had free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana without beginning or end. 

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls to experience individuality, loving reciprocation, independent service, and be responsible for their actions.

This however, does not means all individual jiva-soul's are independent from Krsna's control of all things, that is not possible, at all time the individual jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna or His different expansions like Maha-Visnu, even as independent individuals in the material world because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Therefore, the individual jiva-souls always remain independent living entities, but simultaneously depend on Krsna and His expansions in both the spiritual world and the material world.

The individual jiva-souls are never fully independent because Krsna owns everything, even having free will depends on Krsna.

So, even though the individual jiva-souls are an expansion of Krsna, they are technically not one with Krsna's personality, each individual jiva-soul has their own unique distinctive personality.

The way Krsna controls all things, is He provides the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) with the facilities to carve their own pathways to heaven or hell, because of their choices. 

Both Krsna and the individual jiva-souls are independent with their own unique personality however, Krsna is eternally the cause of all causes and absolute controller of His spiritual and material creations which means the individual jiva-souls only have free will because He allows it.

The individual jiva-souls are not one with Krsna but are independent thinking living entities who have their own sense of self and personality that makes them one in purpose. 

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the manifestation of Radha and Krsna in one Body where both experience each other's love for each other. 

Infact, Krsna, Balarama, Radharani and Lord Caitanya are all the one personality of Krsna in different moods but only properly understood when one is advanced in their Krsna consciousness.

As said above, the claim by some devotees that once reaching the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana the individual jiva-souls can never again fall down to the material world is not exactly true. To claim those who enter the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana will never again fall down to the material creation, is only true for those who choose not to fall down.

In other words, if the individual jiva-souls want to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, they certainly can. Therefore, entering the material world is ultimately the individual jiva-soul's choice, and Krsna does not interfere with that choice, even though He promised there is no return to the material creation once entering the spiritual atmosphere. The individual jiva-souls can also reject Krsna's promise if they choose due to free will.

The fact is, there is always a choice simply because Krsna allows it, the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna's promise if they want because the relationship with Krsna is always a "two-way" street based on voluntary choices.

Therefore, there is return to the material world if the individual jiva-souls wants to return Prabhupada tells us, there is always a choice. 

Acyutananda - "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming to the spiritual abodes, one never returns to the material worlds, so we can return?"

Srila Prabhupada - "If you likes you can return, that is voluntary."

Guru-kripa - "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada - "You have got little independence (free will), you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

So, clearly those who believe no one can ever fall down from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana have not understood the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha of whom only the individual jiva-souls can fall down. The others known as Visnu-tattva (direct expansions of Krsna) and Visnu-sakti-tattva (Krsna's internal potency headed by Srimati Radharani and Her unlimited expansions) never fall down because they are mostly Krsna playing different rolls in His own pastimes. 

As said above, only a very small minority of marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) (less than 10%) choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka Vrindavana but not the Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-sakti-tattvas expansions because they are Krsna Himself playing another role in His own pastimes.

As said above, for most of the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities), over 90% of them never fall down to the material world because they choose not to fall down however, over eternity even that can also change because of free will.

However, because the existence of time and the individual jiva-souls are infinite and endless, over an eternity that may change because of free will. 

Being beginningless and endless is hard to fathom (get your head around). The fact is, we have always existed and will never cease to exist.

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned individual jiva-soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana), there’s no possibility of falling down again?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is possibility, but if he is intelligent, he does not again come to the material world. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they have to become intelligent." (CC, Adi-lila 7.108 San Francisco, Feb 18, 1967)

As explained above, there are a small minority of individual jiva-souls who do not learn from the lesson of being in the material world, and they do return to the material world (but less than 10% of individual jiva-souls again fall from the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana)

Free will exists externally in the spiritual world and without having that ability of self-expression that allows one to choose to always remember Krsna, or forget Him, then the individual jiva-souls would have no independent personality or no ability choosing voluntary offerings expressed in a two-way reciprocal relationship of loving exchanges with Krsna.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) are eternally separate from Krsna's Personality and have their own unique distinctive character, personality and spiritual bodily form. This allows them to voluntarily contribute their own unique abilities and talents in the spiritual world that gives unique personality to their individual identity.   

Without having the unique distinctive individual ability to voluntarily offer love as an independent PERSON, we are no better than dead stone. 

The eternal constitution and original position of the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) is fully explained by Krsna disguised as a brahmana as follows- 

The Brāhmaṇa said - "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can't you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (SB, 4th Canto Ch, 28 text 53)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence (free will) means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence (free will). If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence (free will). That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)