List of devotees in Australia and New Zealand who are direct disciples of His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, initiated before his passing on November 14 1977.

List of devotees in Australia and New Zealand who are direct disciples of His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, initiated before his passing on November 14 1977.

ISKCON Australia began in March 1970 when two devotees, Upendra Dasa and Bali-mardana Das arrived from the United States. There were no Hare Kṛṣṇa devotees in the 1960s in Australia.

In Australia and New Zealand Srila Prabhupada initiated only 220 disciples and the work this small group of devotees did in spreading Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Sankirtan Movement, was miraculous.

All of ISKCON's major Temples and Farms were purchased from the hard work of Book distribution these 220 disciples did BEFORE November 1977.

From the first Initiated devotee in May 1970 to the last in October 1977 (220 disciples) in alphabetical order, and also reveals those who have passed away.

This site is constantly updated.

This is a photo of Melbourne ISKCON Temple disciples of Srila Prabhupada in 1975.

The list of Disciples (220 disciples).

Acarya dasa Sydney May 1971 Deceased 1973
Adipurusa dasa Melbourne December 1975
Adiyajna dasa Melbourne 1973
Advaita dasa Auckland April 1976
Ahoula devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Ajamila dasa Sydney April 1972
Ajita dasa Sydney May 1971
Alalanatha dasa Sydney March 1977
Ambika devi dasi Sydney April 1972

Amita dasa London 1975 (from New Zealand)

Antaratma dasa Sydney January 1974
Anupama dasa New Zealand April 1976
Aparajita devi dasi Melbourne April 1976
Aruni devi dasi Melbourne February 1973
Astasiddhi dasa Melbourne September 1974
Asvahari dasa Melbourne October 1977
Atitaguna devi dasi Melbourne April 1976
Atmarama dasa Melbourne November 1976
Atri devi dasi Sydney February 1973
Amogha dasa Los Angeles May 1970, first preached in Indonesia for a short time then spent the rest of his devotional life in Australia. He is known for his photographer of Prabhupada and devotional festivals like Rathayatra and was Temple President in some Australian Temples.

Bali Mardana dasa Montreal July 1968. He brought the Hare Krishna Movement to Sydney Australia with Upendra dasa in March 1970.

Balah dasa Sydney October 1977
Balarama dasa Sydney February 1973
Bhadra devi devi dasi Melbourne April 1975
Bhagavatasraya dasa Melbourne September 1975
Bhagavati devi dasi Fiji April 1976
Bhajanabhi dasa Sydney May 1971
Bhaskara dasa Melbourne November 1974 Deceased March 2019
Bhutanatha dasa Adelaide August 1973 Deceased March 21st 2020
Bhuvana Mohana dasa Fiji April 1976
Bhuvanadhara dasa Melbourne November 1974
Biharilala dasa New Zealand?
Brahmapatni devi dasi Auckland January 1976
Buddhimanta dasa (big Book distributor who trained Australian devotees) San Francisco October 1971 Deceased 1990

Caitanyavani devi dasi Auckland?
Camari devi dasi Melbourne March 1974
Caru dasa Sydney May 1971
Carugupta dasa Sydney February 1973 Deceased 2018
Catuhsana dasa Brisbane?
Cekitana devi dasi Sydney April 1972

Dayasara dasa Melbourne April 1975
Devadarsana devi dasi Melbourne April 1972
Devadeva Priya devi dasi Sydney November 1974
Devidarsana devi dasi Sydney?
Dhami dasa Melbourne November 1974 Deceased 2007
Dhoumya dasa Sydney April 1972 Deceased 1987
Dipak dasa July 1971 Los Angeles but served most of his years in ISKCON Australia, arriving in late 1971 and served as Temple President of Sydney and Adelaide for a few years.
Durvasa Muni dasa Sydney April 1972 Deceased 1976
Dustamohana dasa Melbourne December 1975
Dvaipayana dasa Sydney April 1972

Ganesa dasa Melbourne February 1973
Gauragopala dasa Sydney July 1972
Gaurakesava dasa Sydney August 1976
Gaurakrsna dasa Auckland?
Gauramandalabhumi dasa Sydney February 1973
Gauranga dasa Auckland 1973 Deceased 2020
Gaurangi devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Gaurasakti dasa Melbourne August 1972 Deceased 1983
Gauravani devi dasi Auckland April 1976
Girimakha dasa Melbourne April 1976 Deceased 1978
Girirupadhari dasa Melbourne April 1976
Gopala devi dasi Sydney February 1973
Gopikanta dasa Sydney February 1973
Gopinathacarya dasa Brisbane June 1973 Deceased 2017
Gopipriya devi dasi Auckland April 1973
Govinda Mohini devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Govindanandini devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Gunavati devi dasi Melbourne June 1974

Hari devi dasi Melbourne November 1976
Harirama dasa Auckland 1973
Harisauri dasa Sydney April 1972 - In November 1975 Hari Sauri dasa joined Srila Prabhupada’s personal entourage, remaining as His Divine Grace’s personal servant for 16 months. In March of 1977, Srila Prabhupada appointed him ISKCON’s Governing Body Commissioner for Australia, New Zealand and Indonesia, a service he performed for 7 years.
Harsa dasa Sydney February 1973

Jagad-vasu dasa Melbourne May 1975
Jagadatma dasa Melbourne March 1977
Jagadvira dasa Sydney November 1974
Jagatpriya devi dasi Sydney August 1976
Jaleyu devi dasi Melbourne March 1977
Jayadharma dasa Melbourne April 1972
Jayanti devi dasi Sydney November 1974
Jayasila dasa Melbourne April 1976
Jitagarisa dasa Melbourne December 1975
Jitasakti devi dasi Melbourne March 1977
Jnanamurti devi devi dasi Melbourne May 1975
Jnanasamudra dasa Sydney March 1977
Jyotirmaya dasa Melbourne May 1975
Jagat-guru Dasa Brahmacari from New Zealand and took initiation in July 1971 in Los Angeles California USA, (never served in New Zealand or Australia) then in 1976 Srila Prabhupada awarded him the status of sannyasa and the title of Svami known as Swami B.G. Narasingha. Deceased January 6th 2020.

Kalasamvara dasa Auckland New Zealand January 1976
Kalidasa dasa Brisbane?
Kaliya Krsna dasa Adelaide
Kalki devi dasi Sydney April 1972
Kamalakara devi dasi Sydney 1972
Kamarupa devi dasi Sydney February 1973
Karsna dasa Melbourne May 1977
Kedara dasa Auckland September 1976
Kenarama dasa Sydney February 1973
Krodhaha dasa Auckland June 1975
Krodhesvara dasa Auckland January 1976
Krpa dasa Melbourne?
Krpakara dasa Sydney November 1974
Krsnapremavati devi dasi Sydney September 1977
Krsnapremi devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Kumara dasa Auckland February 1972
Kuntibhoja dasa Sydney February 1973, deceased December 20th 2022, (later also known as Krsna Ballabha dasa with another Sanga)

Kurma dasa Sydney May 1971

Lagudi dasa Sydney January 1974
Laksmana devi dasi Sydney April 1972

Madhudvisa Swami, the inspirational preacher while in Australia from 1972 to 1976, initiated in San Francisco Aug 1968 Deceased 2014

Mahadevi devi dasi Melbourne May 1975
Mahaprabhu dasa Sydney May 1971
Mahotsaha dasa Sydney August 1976
Maladhara devi dasi Auckland 1973
Manamanohara dasa Melbourne May 1975
Mandapa dasa Australia April 1976
Matida devi dasi Sydney November 1974
Mekhala devi dasi Melbourne April 1972 Deceased November 2019
Mohini-sakti devi dasi Melbourne June 1974

Nakula dasa Sydney February 1973 Deceased 1990
Narayana dasa Melbourne April 1975
Nartaki devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Nataraja dasa Melbourne June 1973 Deceased 1975
Nirabhadra dasa Melbourne April 1976
Nirmala-kumara dasa Sydney May 1971
Nitigata devi dasi Sydney 1973
Naresvara dasa Mayapur March 1977 ran BBT Australia

Pandava dasa Sydney April 1972
Paramamrta devi dasi Melbourne May 1975
Paramdhama dasa Sydney February 1973
Parivadi dasa Auckland January 1976 Deceased 1986
Partha dasa Sydney April 1972
Paurusa dasa Sydney 1976
Prabhu dasa Melbourne April 1976
Praceta dasa Melbourne March 1974
Prahlada Bhakta dasa Sydney September 1977
Prasuti devi dasi Melbourne May 1976
Pratapana dasa Sydney April 1975
Punyatma dasa Melbourne October 1977
Purana dasa Australia October 1977
Purnacandra dasa Melbourne June 1974
Purusottama dasa Hawaii 1971 Deceased 1974 (in Australia) at one stage recommended for Sannyas by Madhudvisa Swami

Radhamadhava dasa Auckland 1976
Radhikaramana devi dasi New Zealand November 1976
Ragatmika devi dasi Melbourne October 1973
Raghunatha dasa Sydney May 1971
Rajalaksmi devi dasi Australia June 1974
Rajghana dasa Sydney April 1972 Deceased 2007
Rama dasa Sydney February 1973
Rama devi dasi Melbourne December 1976
Ramaprasada dasa Sydney February 1973
Ramai dasa Melbourne October 1973 and awarded the status of sannyasa in Mayapur March 1982 with the title of Ramai Svami.
Ramakamala dasa Sydney February 1973
Ramaniya devi dasi Melbourne October 1973
Ramasarana dasa Mayapur March 1977 Deceased 2015
Ramasarana dasa Melbourne December 1974
Raghubhir Dasa London September 1973 but is from Auckland New Zealand. He never served in New Zealand or Australia. In 1994 he took sannyas with the name Bhakti Caitanya Swami. Later he became a leading member of ISKCON'S Governing Body Commission and an ISKCON Guru. The Swami is closely associated with the educational programs and teaches at the Vaisnava Institute for Higher Education in Vrindavana. 

Rasajna dasa Australia 1974

Rasarani devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Rasika dasa New Zealand March 1977
Renukasuta dasa Sydney February 1972
Rsabhadevi devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Rudracandi dasa Auckland January 1976
Rukmavati devi dasi Sydney February 1973
Rupavati devi dasi Sydney October 1977

Sabhapati dasa Mayapur Festival March 1974 and founded New Govardhana Farm at Murwillumbah NSW in May 1977
Sahadeva dasa Sydney April 1972 Deceased Jan 11, 2023.
Sailavasini devi dasi Melbourne April 1976
Samjata dasa Melbourne November 1974 Deceased 1976
Sanaka dasa Melbourne April 1972 Deceased August 2, 2020
Sarata-bihari dasa Auckland July 1977
Sarvajna devi dasi Auckland January 1976
Sarvaksa dasa Melbourne January 1976 Deceased 1989
Sarvalaksana dasa Melbourne April 1974
Sati devi dasi Melbourne April 1976 
Satyagra Sri dasa Auckland December 1975
Satyarupa devi dasi Melbourne April 1976
Satyavati devi dasi Melbourne April 1972
Sesa dasa Adelaide 1974
Setukrt dasa Melbourne April 1975
Sikhipiccha-dhari dasa Adelaide May 1977
Sivanatha dasa Sydney February 1973 Deceased 2011
Somendranatha dasa Sydney February 1973
Sridhara dasa Melbourne April 1975
Srilekha devi dasi Melbourne 1975
Sringi dasa Melbourne 1974
Srutipriya devi dasi New Zealand December 1975
Stoka Krsna dasa Auckland 1976
Striyadisa devi dasi Sydney April 1973
Subhalaksmi devi dasi Australia June 1974
Sukla devi dasi Melbourne February 1973
Sutadeva dasa Sydney?
Syamananda dasa Melbourne April 1972
Svayambhur dasa an Australian devotee initiated in London August 1971

Tarksi devi devi dasi Melbourne April 1975
Tribhuvanapati dasa Melbourne September 1976
Trigatra dasa Melbourne 1976

Upendra Dasa San Francisco February 1967. He brought the Hare Krishna Movement to Australia with Bali Madana dasa in February 1970. Upendra Dasa Deceased 1996

Upananda dasa (the first initiated disciple in the southern Hemisphere) now Avadhoot Maharaj Sydney May 1970 - Deceased 21 March 2024
Ugrasrava dasa Melbourne 1973
Usapati dasa Adelaide December 1975

Vaibhavi devi dasi Sydney May 1971
Vajiraja dasa New Zealand December 1975
Varansadha dasa Auckland December 1975
Vasupati dasa Melbourne October 1977
Venudhara devi dasi Australia May 1977
Venugopala dasa Melbourne December 1974 Deceased February 2, 2018
Vidyapati dasa Melbourne 1975 Deceased 1976
Vimala devi dasi Melbourne April 1976
Visnudatta dasa Sydney September 1976
Visvahetu dasa Adelaide December 1975
Vrajaraja dasa Melbourne September 1976 also known as Braja Raj dasa
Vrsa dasa Sydney February 1973 Deceased 2007
Vyasadeva dasa Sydney April 1972
Yajnesvara dasa Sydney April 1972
Yamalarjuna dasa Sydney September 1974
Yasomatinandana dasa Sydney February 1973 Deceased 2011
Yayati devi dasi Sydney February 1973
Yugatita dasa Sydney April 1976 Deceased 2016

At top group photo of Melbourne ISKCON Temple 1975.

Sydney street Sankirtan led by Upendra dasa 1971

Bali Mardana dasa with Upendra dasa in May 1970.

Melbourne's second Rathayatra 1973 (two photos)

Bali Mardana dasa with Upendra dasa in May 1970.

Kings Cross Sydney July 1970.

Bali Mardana dasa with Upendra dasa in May 1970

Upananda dass (now Avadhoot Maharaj) and then wife August 1971

February 1973 mass initiation performed by Srila Prabhupada Sydney

Sanak dasa and Gauragopala dasa April 1972

Rathayatra July 1974 with Prabhupada

Rathayatra 1974 in hall with Prabhupada

Madhudvisa Swami with ''sharpie'' in Melbourne City with Tusta Krishna Maharaj in background

Greeting Prabhupada at Melbourne Airport 1974

Adelaide Temple 1972

Greeting Prabhupada at Melbourne Airport 1974

Rathayatra in Melbourne with Prabhupada 1974

Adelaide Temple 1972

Melbourne's new Temple 1974 preparing for Rathayatra

July 1972 in Melbourne just after Rathayatra, ThisTraveling Temple traveled all over the East Coast of Australia from Adelaide South Australia, to Port Douglas Northern Queensland. The big polls are wheel protectors for the carts, not dundas

February 1972 Traveling Temple that traveled all over the East Coast from Adelaide South Australia to Port Douglas Northern Queensland

February 1972 Traveling Temple that traveled all over the East Coast from Adelaide South Australia to Port Douglas Northern Queensland

February 1972 Traveling Temple in Sydney 

April 1972 Sydney Srila Prabhupada on the Traveling Temple Double Decker Bus 

Preaching program at Sydney University 1973

Cartoon 1972, back then we did not care getting parking tickets that accumulated to over 40,000 dollars, they were never paid

July 1974 Melbourne's 3rd Rathayatra.

Sydney Australia Bala dasa and Jivanath dasa

November 12th 1977 two days before Srila Prabhupada left this world New Govardhana Murwillumbah NSW

The second Bus we purchased in late 1974 and run by Sababhati dasa, it ended up at New Govardhana in May 1977 and that is when the farm started

Lord Caitanya and Lord Krishna as His Vrindavana Form, appear "once" every 1000th Maha-yugas or "once" every 8 billion 640 million human years!

Lord Caitanya appears "once" in every 1000th Kali-yuga.

And Lord Krishna, in His original childhood Vrindavan form, also appears "once" out of every 1000th Dvarpara-yuga.

There are 1000 maha-yugas (each Maha-yuga has the 4 yuga's, Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvarpara-yuga and Kali-yuga in it) during the day-time of Brahma only, from Sunrise to Sunset.

This day-time period of Brahma lasts for is 4 billion 320 million human years.

There are no Maha-yugas during Brahma's night-time from Sunset to Sunrise.

The full 24 hour day of Brahma lasts for 8 billion 640 million human years.

In "one day and night" of Lord Brahma, both Lord Krishna as His original Form, and Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu only appear "once".

That means Lord Krishna and Lord Caitanya only appear in "one" Maha-yuga out of every 1000.

Lord Krishna comes at the end of a Dvarpara-yuga.

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu comes at the beginning of a Kali-yuga.

There are 71 or 72 Maha-yugas in one Manu and 14 Manus in a day of Lord Brahma as well.

This adds up to approximately 1000 maha-yugas existing during a "12 hour day" of Lord Brahma taking 4 billion 320 million human years to pass.

Remember, there are no Maha-yugas during Brahma's "12 hour night" when a partial annihilation takes place and Lord Brahma sleeps but still takes 4 billion 320 million human years to pass.

So Brahma's night-time lasts for 12 hours of he's time and 4 billion 320 million years of our time.

All living entities and their material desires are put on hold during Brahma's night by temporarily entering the Body of the Supreme Lord.

All individual living entities are temporarily absorbed in the Body of Garbhodakashayi Vishnu, an expansion of Maha Vishnu.

The individual inactive living entites who enter the Body of the Lord, are in a dreamless condition of consciousness temporally. Their material desire are suspended and put on hold until a new day of Maha-yugas are created by Lord Brahma's administration.

Each individual jivatma (jiva tattva or soul) never looses their individuality of being a unique person made up by the following characteristics -

1 - Unique personal abilities and talents unique to each individual.

2 - Unique personal ability to express one's personality and character as a free thinker with the strong sense of "I am a complete individual independent person within  myself"

This IS the jiva tattva's full description snd potential as an individual person who is simultaneously an eternal surrended servant (by choice) of Lord Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes being His parts and parcels.

3 - One's own special unique ability to like or dislike, or choose this side or that side (to be with Krishna or not be with Krishna) thus expressing oneself as an independent individual person.

Without this quality love can never genuinely exist.

4 - The individual's right as a person to accept or reject, to provide ideas with personal imputs make us the unique individuals we all are because we do not only accept love, but can each give so much love and service too in OUR unique personal wonderful way!

This is what personalism is all about!!

And not being part of some mindless smiling group of drones that all think the sameway in some glazed eyed impersonal collective.

This version of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana I reject.

All individual jivas are NEVER forced to be Krishna's servant because the jivas also have a choice.

This also includes the "choice" to stay or leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana at anytime if the jiva chooses!

5 - Therefore, in simple language, those who claim one can NEVER fall down or leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT understanding it is only 10% who choose to fall down or leave Vrindavana and Goloka Vrindavana anyway.

6 - The fact is, 90% of jivas choose to never leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

Our Prabhupada says only 10% choose to leave which means most, over 90%, DO stay in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana but even them, due to free will, can change their minds anytime.

When the night of Lord Brahma begins the jivas in this universe enter a non-active dreamless state of consciousness during the annihilation and part destruction of this material universe.

This is similar state of consciousness to the impersonal brahmajyoti or brahman.

As we know, all those who enter the impersonal Brahmajyoti eventuality fall from there because it is a temporary condition to begin with.

Also one falls to the impersonal brahmajyoti or Brahman, NO ONE ever originates from there as the impersonalist believe.

So during Lord Brahma's height that has NO Maha-yugas, the living entities are absorbed as individual dreamless units within the Body of Maha Vishnu and stay there until the next day begins and the Maha-yuga is created.

Brahma begins his creation of the Maha-yuga cycles again. And the process repeats itself every day for 311 trillion 40 billion human years which is the entire life of Lord Brahma.

Some confuse this state of being absorbed in the Body of Maha Vishnu with wrongly thinking they originate from Maha Vishnu however, they were previously in a material universe before entering Maha Vishnu's  Body.

No jivatmas originate from Maha Vishnu! They only rest in Him when when the material nature is annihilated

There is a partial annihilation of the Bhu-mandala universe at the end of every 12 hour day of Brahma that begins when night comes and ends at sunrise the next day.

The "night-time" period of lifeless inactivity, lasts for 4 billion 320 million human years.

The "day-time" period is teaming with life because it is where the 1000 Maha yugas exist from Sunrise to Sunset.

Our Bhu-Mandala universe has a partial annihilation after every 12 hour day and lasts for 4 billion 320 million years.

Then after that 12 hour day-time period of Brahma the Bhu-mandala universe is partially annihilated during the 12 hour night time of Brahma and is not created again for 4 billion 320 million years which is the beginning of the next day.

The full age of the Bhu-mandala universe is the age of Lord  Brahma which is 311 Trillion 40 billion years.

The inner universal size of the Bhu-mandala universe is 4 billion miles and exists in the Lotus stem comingvfrom Garbhodakashayi Vishnu.

The full size of the Brahmanda egg shaped universe that comes from the body of Maha Vishnu is 44 quadrillion 444 Trillion 444 billion miles in size.

Deep inside our Brahmanda Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and Lord Brahma exist.

When Lord Brahma dies
Maha-Vishnu absorbs back into Himself all the living entities, they rest there in His Body as individual units until Maha Vishnu again breaths out

One stays in suspended animation in Maha Vishnu for 311 trilllion 40 billion human years then Maha Vishnu again breaths out and another Brahmanda is created with its own Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and Lord Brahma.

Some scholars do not understand this enormous period of time the jivas are suspended in Maha Vishnu for and wrongly think the jivas originate from Maha Vishnu.

They do not originate from Maha Vishnu.

This is because long, long, long before they were absorbed in Maha Vishnu, they were in another  material crestion and long, long, long before that, they were ALL in Vaikuntha.

Therefore no souls originate from Maha Vishnu or the Impersonal Brahmajyoti

The appearance of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Krishna as His original Vrindavana Form.

Caitanya Caritamrta Adi 3.10,

Purport:

Now is the term of Vaivasvata Manu, during which Lord Caitanya appears. First Lord Kṛṣṇa appears at the close of the Dvāpara-yuga of the twenty-eighth divya-yuga, and then Lord Caitanya appears in the Kali-yuga of the same divya-yuga.

Lord Kṛṣṇa and Lord Caitanya appear once in each day of Brahmā, or once in fourteen manv-antaras, each of seventy-one divya-yugas in duration.

From the beginning of Brahmā’s day of 4,320,000,000 years, six Manus appear and disappear before Lord Kṛṣṇa appears. Thus 1,975,320,000 years of the day of Brahmā elapse before the appearance of Lord Kṛṣṇa. This is an astronomical calculation according to solar years.

There are so many of Srila Prabhupada's Books to read, so there is really no need to read any other books, even though not forbidden to do so. The fact is, Srila Prabhupada has clearly said EVERYTHING is in his Books needed for us all to return back home back to Godhead. So there ìs no need to read any other Books outside of ISKCON.

There are so many of Prabhupada's Books to read. At 67 I have very little time to even look at any other sanga's Books.

Even the many version of "Jaiva Dharma" I refuse to read in full and advise others to wait until someone bona fide like Hridayananda Maharaja does a translation.

I did read non ISKCON translation that souls originate from some so called impersonal tatastha region which is complete nonsense.

It is nonsense because tatastha s’akti is NOT a place in the Cosmos where souls come from, tatastha s’akti is actually another name for the marginal living entity or jiva tattva.

Tatastha description means the jiva has the ability to choose this side of being with Krishna or that side being in the material creation.

Therefore no-one comes from "tatastha" because it is NOT a place. As said above, it is another name description for the jivatma or soul.

There is no such things as new souls as Bhagavad Gita Chapter 2 Text 20 explains. The jivas have always existed without beginning or end as individual souls.

''For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain''.BG C 2 Text 20

Those who claim souls are ''generated from a clear sheet of consciousness'' are preaching impersonalism because this philosophy claims there was a time we did not exist as a conscious individual living entity.

Srila Prabhupada - "There is no “ NEW” soul. “New'’ and “old'’ are due to this material body. But the soul is NEVER born and NEVER dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul'' Letter to Jagadisa 7/9/1970 .

Srila Prabhupada – "Those who are in the brahman effulgence they are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness". Los Angeles 13 June, 1970

Tatastha s’akti simply means we have the ability to choose this side of being with Krishna or that side being in the material creation, no-one comes from there because it is NOT a place, it is another name description for the jiva.

No jiva-tattva comes from tatastha-s'akti because the jiva is ALREADY tatastha-s'akti eternally.

So let's be clear, tatastha-s'akti is NOT some place in the cosmos; it is simply a description of the jiva-tattva's (marginal living entity) nature pertaining to free will and the ability to choose. Tatastha is us, the jivatma

Srila Prabhupada explains a deeper meaning - ''Taṭastha means they are sometimes manifested and they are not sometimes manifested. So this material world is the taṭastha ''characteristics'', and the spiritual world is the personal ''characteristics''.

So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (material ''characteristics'' conditioning), or, I mean to say, taṭastha means marginal, marginal ''characteristics'' to the permanent ''characteristics'' (The jiva is always the marginal energy as individual living entities in both the material world and Vaikuntha, but in Vaikuntha the marginal living entity has no ''material characteristics'' hence the permanent characteristics are Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana). That is called spiritual elevation.

We should NOT remain in the marginal state (What Prabhupada means here is with material characteristics. It is not that in Vaikuntha the marginal living entity stops being marginal, no, the jiva is always marginal but perfected in Vaikuntha and called here by Prabhupada ''the permanent state''), but we should go to the permanent state’’. End of quote Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358 -- New York, December 28, 1966.

Srila Prabhupada - "There must ALWAYS be choice in the spiritual world, this idea of you love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ You must choose to love and serve Krishna ESPECIALLY in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana".

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force. Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" July 8, 1976.

Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion" that just like the Sun is meaningless without the Sunrays similarly, Krishna is meaningless with His loving devotees.



That relationship is NEVER one-sided it is ALWAYS recepricaI, even Prabhupada said to his disciples, if you love me, then I will love you.

Devotee - "Why doesn’t Krishna protect us from fall down?

Srila Prabhupada - “That means YOU lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krishna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love". Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.

Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we….”

Srila Prabhupada – “Because you are Son of God, you have independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.”.Lecture Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974.