The jiva is eternal, no beginning and no end.
Free will is ALWAYS part of each jiva's constitutional make up.
Without freedom to choose, even to stay in Vaikuntha, there is no meaning to the word jiva tattva or freedom -
Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna comes down and instructs us, "But why you are engaged in this foolish activity? Please come to Me, back to home, back to Godhead.
So originally the spirit soul has got body, so these physical elements are just like a covering, exactly to the size of the hands, legs, everything…The future is to go back to home, back to Godhead…because he is eternally servant of God, so now he has forgotten.
He wants to become master, and the material nature is kicking him, life after life. So one day he'll come to his senses and become again, renovate himself to become servant of God.
Just like when a man becomes a prisoner, he'll be a free man at the end of his term, and within this term he is simply kicked by the police, so that he may not come back again to prison house.
Syamasundara - "But we can't predict that the process of punishment will have permanent effect, can we? Can we predict that? Many prisoners leave the prison, but some come back".
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing as permanent. You can misuse your independence at any time".
Syamasundara - "And come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, eventually permanently he will come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "No. There is no question of permanent. Because he has got independence, he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why one man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently He can come back again".
Srila Prabhupada - "This is the general law [to not come back]. But if he likes, he can come back. Because otherwise, what is the meaning of independence? Just like one should become fit in the prison house, naturally he should not go again".
He further explains free will to leave Vaikuntha in the following conversation also-
Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary. Return there is".
Paramahamsa - "If we want?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes".
Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes".
Paramahamsa - "Fall down?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Krishna says, "yes, you go". Just like nobody is interested in Krishna consciousness, do you think everyone is interested? They want to enjoy this material world.
Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. Krishna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this.
Just like some of our students, Krishna conscious, sometimes go away, again come back. It is free will, not stereotyped.
Just like one goes to the prisonhouse, not that government welcomes, come on, we have got prisonhouse. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that. Krishna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare, nikata-stha maya tare japatiya dhare (Prema-vivarta).
The police is there, just like the police car was there. We have nothing to do with it. But if you do anything criminal, immediately you will be arrested, under police custody.
The maya may be there, but maya captures him who is not a devotee of Krishna". (Morning Walk, At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Sunday, December 1, 2019
Saturday, November 30, 2019
Autobiography of Srila Prabhupada (in his own words).
Autobiography of Srila Prabhupada (in his own words).
Letter to Mr. Nakano - Delhi 18 April, 1961.
Srila Prabhupada -"Regarding my personal history I beg to state it shortly as follows:
I was born 1st September 1896 in Calcutta as the third son of my father Late Gaura Mohon Dev and mother late Rajani Devi in the family of one of very respectable Gold merchant aristocracy of Calcutta.
I was educated in the Scottish Churches College (B.A. 1920) and Netaji Subhas Candra was my college mate.
I left education influenced by Mahatma Gandhi in 1921 and joined for some time in the national liberation and other social service movements.
I was secretary of the Social Union movement of which Late Mr. J. Choudhury Bar-at-law was the president.
In this movement there was a great stir for intercaste marriage in favor of Patel's (Vithalbhai) bill.
I was married during my student life in 1918 with Radharani Devi and she is in Calcutta with her sons and daughters five children and a few grand children also.
After my education I was appointed (1921) as the Asst. Manager of Dr. Bose's Laboratory Ltd of Calcutta and then engaged myself in my personal business in the chemical line.
I was a research student in chemical and medicinal composition and for the first time in India, I introduced Gadine preparation in the medical profession.
I met my spiritual master Late Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami in 1922 and he desired me to preach in the foreign countries the spiritual movement started by Lord Caitanya for enlightenment of all materialistic men all over the world.
He gradually turned my mind from matter to spirit and I was accepted as his disciple in 1933 after full association of ten years.
He left this world in 1936 and insisted to explain the mission in English.
I started my paper Back to Godhead in 1944 and left home for good entirely to execute the order of my spiritual master in 1954.
Since then my H.Q. is at Vrindaban and devote in literary work".
Interview on September 24, 1968, Seattle.
Interviewer - "Would you tell me something of your own background? That is, where you were educated, how you became a disciple of Kṛṣṇa".
Srila Prabhupāda - "I was born and educated in Calcutta. Calcutta is my home place.
I was born in 1896, and I was my father's pet child, so my education began a little late, and still, I was educated in higher secondary, high school for eight years.
In primary school four years, higher secondary school, eight years, in college, four years. Then I joined Gandhi's movement, national movement.
But by good chance I met my Guru Mahārāja, my spiritual master, in 1922. And since then, I was attracted in this line, and gradually I gave up my household life.
I was married in 1918 when I was still a third year student. And so I got my children. I was doing business. Then I retired from my family life in 1954.
For four years I was alone, without any family. Then I took regularly renounced order of life in 1959.
Then I devoted myself in writing books. My first publication came out in 1962, and when there were three books, then I started for your country in 1965 and I reached here in September, 1965.
Since then, I am trying to preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness in America, Canada, in European countries.
And gradually the centers are developing. The disciples are also increasing. Let me see what is going to be done.
Interviewer - "How did you become a disciple yourself? What were you, or what did you follow before you became a disciple?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Same principle as I told you, faith. One of my friend, he dragged me forcibly to my spiritual master.
And when I talked with my spiritual master, I was induced. And since then, the seedling began.
Letter to Mr. Nakano - Delhi 18 April, 1961.
Srila Prabhupada -"Regarding my personal history I beg to state it shortly as follows:
I was born 1st September 1896 in Calcutta as the third son of my father Late Gaura Mohon Dev and mother late Rajani Devi in the family of one of very respectable Gold merchant aristocracy of Calcutta.
I was educated in the Scottish Churches College (B.A. 1920) and Netaji Subhas Candra was my college mate.
I left education influenced by Mahatma Gandhi in 1921 and joined for some time in the national liberation and other social service movements.
I was secretary of the Social Union movement of which Late Mr. J. Choudhury Bar-at-law was the president.
In this movement there was a great stir for intercaste marriage in favor of Patel's (Vithalbhai) bill.
I was married during my student life in 1918 with Radharani Devi and she is in Calcutta with her sons and daughters five children and a few grand children also.
After my education I was appointed (1921) as the Asst. Manager of Dr. Bose's Laboratory Ltd of Calcutta and then engaged myself in my personal business in the chemical line.
I was a research student in chemical and medicinal composition and for the first time in India, I introduced Gadine preparation in the medical profession.
I met my spiritual master Late Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Goswami in 1922 and he desired me to preach in the foreign countries the spiritual movement started by Lord Caitanya for enlightenment of all materialistic men all over the world.
He gradually turned my mind from matter to spirit and I was accepted as his disciple in 1933 after full association of ten years.
He left this world in 1936 and insisted to explain the mission in English.
I started my paper Back to Godhead in 1944 and left home for good entirely to execute the order of my spiritual master in 1954.
Since then my H.Q. is at Vrindaban and devote in literary work".
Interview on September 24, 1968, Seattle.
Interviewer - "Would you tell me something of your own background? That is, where you were educated, how you became a disciple of Kṛṣṇa".
Srila Prabhupāda - "I was born and educated in Calcutta. Calcutta is my home place.
I was born in 1896, and I was my father's pet child, so my education began a little late, and still, I was educated in higher secondary, high school for eight years.
In primary school four years, higher secondary school, eight years, in college, four years. Then I joined Gandhi's movement, national movement.
But by good chance I met my Guru Mahārāja, my spiritual master, in 1922. And since then, I was attracted in this line, and gradually I gave up my household life.
I was married in 1918 when I was still a third year student. And so I got my children. I was doing business. Then I retired from my family life in 1954.
For four years I was alone, without any family. Then I took regularly renounced order of life in 1959.
Then I devoted myself in writing books. My first publication came out in 1962, and when there were three books, then I started for your country in 1965 and I reached here in September, 1965.
Since then, I am trying to preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness in America, Canada, in European countries.
And gradually the centers are developing. The disciples are also increasing. Let me see what is going to be done.
Interviewer - "How did you become a disciple yourself? What were you, or what did you follow before you became a disciple?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Same principle as I told you, faith. One of my friend, he dragged me forcibly to my spiritual master.
And when I talked with my spiritual master, I was induced. And since then, the seedling began.
Thursday, November 28, 2019
Maha-Visnu is surrounded by millions of massive almost spherical material universes called Brahmandas.
Deep inside each Brahmanda universe there is a "secondary smaller universe" where Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Lord Brahma and many planetary systems exist.
As said above, deep inside each one of them is another smaller universe where Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Lord Brahma reside.
Also within each material universe, deep inside their surrounding Brahmanda, exists many planetary systems built by Lord Brahma and his demigod associates.
The size of each single material universe depends on how many heads Lord Brahma has.
Our single universe is called Bhu-Mandala and has 14 planetary systems, and our Brahma has only 4 heads.
Other universes, deep inside of their Brahmanda, Brahma ha many heads, some with 10, 20, 500, 1000, 100,000, a million, or even 10 million heads.
Such knowledge is inconceivable for us to properly understand.
This means some inner material universes and their outer surrounding Brahmanda shell, are millions of times bigger than our Bhu-Mandala universe and its surrounding Brahmanda shell covering it.
All this knowledge is found in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto translated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
This means some inner material universes and their outer surrounding Brahmanda shell, are millions of times bigger than our Bhu-Mandala universe and its surrounding Brahmanda shell covering it.
All this knowledge is found in Srimad Bhagavatam 5th Canto translated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Wednesday, November 27, 2019
The association of Lord Krishna's devotees is the MOST important act one can do! Always avoid close association with non-devotees, they are poison to the soul.
The association of Lord Krishna's devotees is the MOST important act one can do!
Srila Prabhupada - "It is better to accept the miseries of being encaged within bars and surrounded by burning flames than to associate with those bereft of Krishna consciousness. Such an association is a very great hardship". (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 22.91)
I feel that way ever time I am with the family of my birth, from a Krishna Conscious standard, it was a really bad birth to be with them, all meat heads and even worse.
Being with them was the result of my own karma or how I led my life in previous births.
Being born with those lusty parents was really bad karma however, that misery of wasting my life with them, is what FORCED me to search for a way out.
So, on a more positive note, a search had begun in 1969 to become free from the horrible impersonal meat eating society of my birth.
So eventually I left Melbourne and went to live in Sydney.
While there in 1971, somehow I became aware Prabhupada was in Town, it was Prabhupada who found me, yes that's right, he found me!7
I never went to India looking for him, Prabhupada came to Sydney, arriving there in May 1971
It was there I eventually saw him on TV. He fascinated me as a man of God, I was immediately attracted.
At the time, I lived around the corner from the Paddington Temple in a Town house in Surry Hills while Prabhupada was personally in Sydney installing the Radha Gopinath Deities.
I did go to the Temple while he was there in the Temple, but did not go in, I felt unworthy, too fallen, and not ready to reach the mountain top as it was to me.
Fortunately though, a week after Prabhupada left Sydney, I built up enough strength and guts to go in and see for myself.
At the front door I was met by Upananda Dasa who was a very nice friendly devotee, very knowledgeable about Krishna I found.
At once all my fears were over come about the mystery of the unknown, I realized God's devotees CAN even be approached by a fallen wretch soul like me.
Upananda never judged me, never saw me as not good enough, he just saw me as another searching 18 year old soul who needs to begin their journey back home, back to Godhead.
He invited me in and preached to me for about an hour, then had to go and cook for the new Deities Radha and Gopinath.
So with Prabhupada came a new hard cover Book called KRSNA BOOK, so Upananda gave me a copy to read.
The large hard covered KRSNA book's printing was paid for by George Harrison from the Beatles which I found pretty amazing.
Then Upananda asked me to sit at the Kitchen door and continue reading KRSNA BOOK while he cooked
This was my first day with the devotees in May 1971.
Upananda Dasa today is known as Avadhoot Maharaj.
As the years went on, many street Sankirtans we went on together, especially in the early pioneering years when we chanted from 9.30 am to 4pm every week day.
We even got arrested by the Police together for chanting on the streets and distributing BTG Magazine and Books.
Today, not only are the devotees accepted by the Government, they support our Prasadam distribution by giving the devotees financial assistance (500 thousand dollars in 2016)
How things have changed since 1971.
Back then Avadhoot Maharaj (Upananda Dasa) also arranged daily plays we did inbetween street chanting, we did these plays on City streets and at the University every day.
Those early pioneering days from 1971 were really amazing.
Sadly today no devotees do these street and university plays any more.
I would love to see this 2020 generation of devotees bring Krishna plays brought back to the streets of all major cities.
In top photo that is me (Gauragopala Dasa) playing Mridangum drum next to Srila Prabhupada at the July Rathayatra festival in Melbourne Australia 1974.
Srila Prabhupada - "It is better to accept the miseries of being encaged within bars and surrounded by burning flames than to associate with those bereft of Krishna consciousness. Such an association is a very great hardship". (Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila 22.91)
I feel that way ever time I am with the family of my birth, from a Krishna Conscious standard, it was a really bad birth to be with them, all meat heads and even worse.
Being with them was the result of my own karma or how I led my life in previous births.
Being born with those lusty parents was really bad karma however, that misery of wasting my life with them, is what FORCED me to search for a way out.
So, on a more positive note, a search had begun in 1969 to become free from the horrible impersonal meat eating society of my birth.
So eventually I left Melbourne and went to live in Sydney.
While there in 1971, somehow I became aware Prabhupada was in Town, it was Prabhupada who found me, yes that's right, he found me!7
I never went to India looking for him, Prabhupada came to Sydney, arriving there in May 1971
It was there I eventually saw him on TV. He fascinated me as a man of God, I was immediately attracted.
At the time, I lived around the corner from the Paddington Temple in a Town house in Surry Hills while Prabhupada was personally in Sydney installing the Radha Gopinath Deities.
I did go to the Temple while he was there in the Temple, but did not go in, I felt unworthy, too fallen, and not ready to reach the mountain top as it was to me.
Fortunately though, a week after Prabhupada left Sydney, I built up enough strength and guts to go in and see for myself.
At the front door I was met by Upananda Dasa who was a very nice friendly devotee, very knowledgeable about Krishna I found.
At once all my fears were over come about the mystery of the unknown, I realized God's devotees CAN even be approached by a fallen wretch soul like me.
Upananda never judged me, never saw me as not good enough, he just saw me as another searching 18 year old soul who needs to begin their journey back home, back to Godhead.
He invited me in and preached to me for about an hour, then had to go and cook for the new Deities Radha and Gopinath.
So with Prabhupada came a new hard cover Book called KRSNA BOOK, so Upananda gave me a copy to read.
The large hard covered KRSNA book's printing was paid for by George Harrison from the Beatles which I found pretty amazing.
Then Upananda asked me to sit at the Kitchen door and continue reading KRSNA BOOK while he cooked
This was my first day with the devotees in May 1971.
Upananda Dasa today is known as Avadhoot Maharaj.
As the years went on, many street Sankirtans we went on together, especially in the early pioneering years when we chanted from 9.30 am to 4pm every week day.
We even got arrested by the Police together for chanting on the streets and distributing BTG Magazine and Books.
Today, not only are the devotees accepted by the Government, they support our Prasadam distribution by giving the devotees financial assistance (500 thousand dollars in 2016)
How things have changed since 1971.
Back then Avadhoot Maharaj (Upananda Dasa) also arranged daily plays we did inbetween street chanting, we did these plays on City streets and at the University every day.
Those early pioneering days from 1971 were really amazing.
Sadly today no devotees do these street and university plays any more.
I would love to see this 2020 generation of devotees bring Krishna plays brought back to the streets of all major cities.
In top photo that is me (Gauragopala Dasa) playing Mridangum drum next to Srila Prabhupada at the July Rathayatra festival in Melbourne Australia 1974.
Monday, November 25, 2019
The full potential and expression of the soul is as an eternal individual person as a spiritual anti-material body that is free from any material covering, dress or vessel. You ARE a person, you are a the soul that IS your eternal bodily form and who you really are perpetually.
Those who claim the soul has no eternal bodily form underneath its material covering, vessel or container, are totally wrong.
To go back home back to Godhead, one must try and find a pure devotee, then serve him by also being kind to other fallen souls by preaching to them.
This will help them eventually find their pathway back home back to Godhead.
By studying the painting below of Krishna and all his wonderful eternal friends in Vrindavan, one will understand that each of us also has an "eternal bodily anti-material form" just like all those boys in the painting.
The fact is, ALL jiva souls have a spiritual bodily relationship with Krishna in their full spiritual potential in the anti-material spiritual Sky.
The eternal nature of the jiva-soul (jivatma) is
sat,
cit,
ananda,
vigraha
Which means -
eternity,
Knowledge,
bliss,
ETERNAL BODILY FORM.
The Vedic Text Bhagavat Purana teaches this, also known as the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Those who deny the soul IS a bodily form in its full potential, are called impersonalists, Buddhist and mayavadis.
The soul has an eternal relation with God AS A PERSON, therefore Vaishnavas are called PERSONALIST.
Denying the "anti-material bodily form" of the soul, is like committing spiritual suicide!
This is because one denies their perpetual identity as a fully active individual person.
Impersonalists are committing spiritual suicide by denying their individual perpetual spiritual bodily form that is called "svarupa", and instead they foolishly attempt to merge into some nonsense "all one pervasive" light and become "all one with God".
All complete nonsense.
Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Srila Prabhupada teach Personalism, we are eternal persons AS bodily forms in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan the perpetual Kingdoms of God (Krishna).
This is the full potential of our eternal individual anti-material identity.
Sadly, there are so many bogus impersonal nonsense Mayavadi gurus out there who deny the individuality and perpertual form of all individual souls.
Each soul (jivatma) has a personal unique relationship with the Lord (Krishna) who is also an eternal Person and the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
To go back home back to Godhead, one must try and find a pure devotee, then serve him by also being kind to other fallen souls by preaching to them.
This will help them eventually find their pathway back home back to Godhead.
By studying the painting below of Krishna and all his wonderful eternal friends in Vrindavan, one will understand that each of us also has an "eternal bodily anti-material form" just like all those boys in the painting.
The fact is, ALL jiva souls have a spiritual bodily relationship with Krishna in their full spiritual potential in the anti-material spiritual Sky.
The eternal nature of the jiva-soul (jivatma) is
sat,
cit,
ananda,
vigraha
Which means -
eternity,
Knowledge,
bliss,
ETERNAL BODILY FORM.
The Vedic Text Bhagavat Purana teaches this, also known as the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Those who deny the soul IS a bodily form in its full potential, are called impersonalists, Buddhist and mayavadis.
The soul has an eternal relation with God AS A PERSON, therefore Vaishnavas are called PERSONALIST.
Denying the "anti-material bodily form" of the soul, is like committing spiritual suicide!
This is because one denies their perpetual identity as a fully active individual person.
Impersonalists are committing spiritual suicide by denying their individual perpetual spiritual bodily form that is called "svarupa", and instead they foolishly attempt to merge into some nonsense "all one pervasive" light and become "all one with God".
All complete nonsense.
Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Srila Prabhupada teach Personalism, we are eternal persons AS bodily forms in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan the perpetual Kingdoms of God (Krishna).
This is the full potential of our eternal individual anti-material identity.
Sadly, there are so many bogus impersonal nonsense Mayavadi gurus out there who deny the individuality and perpertual form of all individual souls.
Each soul (jivatma) has a personal unique relationship with the Lord (Krishna) who is also an eternal Person and the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.
The global planets in our material universe are seen in painting below where our Earth globe (Bhurloka), is a "round global sphere" and part of the 8th Planetary System in our universe. It is crazy to believe our planet is flat.
Srimad Bhagavatam does NOT say our Earth is flat as revealed in the below painting where Earth (Bhurloka) is a globe.
All planets throughout the14 Planetary Systems are all global spheres including the Moon and the Sun.
There is no such thing as ''two views of this Earth'', one from the mundane scientists, the other from the Puranas and the Demigods.
ALL see our Earth as a round global sphere and never flat.
Srila Prabhupada - "The planets are called dvīpas. Outer space is like an ocean of air. Just as there are islands in the watery ocean, these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space" (Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "On the ground our earth looks flat but when you go up you will see our Earth planet is a ball" (Lecture New York 1966.)
Although as we know there are subtle realities that are in other dimensional realms, like the inhabitants who live on the Moon, Sun and thousands of other planets.
The mundane material scientists cannot see or detect these subtle realms because they do not have the right material body or karma to enter theses realms.
The Sanskrit word "Dvīpa" has two meanings.
1 - "Islands" or "continents" on a Planet.
2 - "Globes or spheres" in outer space (as seen in painting below of Bhurloka).
(Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
NONE of these planets within those systems are a flat! Even the view of this entire universe from the heavenly planets, our Earth is a globe and NOT flat.
Although as we know, there are subtle civilisations in other dimensional realms like the inhabitants on the Moon, Sun and thousands of other planets that the material scientists nor us can see because we do not have the right material body and karmic qualifications to enter their subtle realm.
However, from all those subtle realms, both heavenly and hellish, our Earth planet appears ALWAYS as a globe and NOT flat.
Bhu-Mandala takes up almost our entire universe with its 14 Planetary systems in it, and each planetary system is represented with many global spherical planets.
Bhu-Mandala is NOT the Earth globe!
It is all these planetary systems, spread out within this single universe, that have the appearance of a "vast flat disc of global planets".
This "flat disc" in outer space is made of thousands of planets from the 14 different planetary systems that are collectively called "Bhu-Mandala.
Bhu-Mandala is almost the diameter of our 4 billion mile single universe, it is NOT our small earth globe.
The planets themselves within each system are round globes, they are NOT flat in anyway.
In this way the 14 planetary systems, collectively known as Bhu-Mandala, is almost the size of our 4 billion mile diameter universe.
Bhu-Mandala is not to be confused with our round global spherical earth we live on.
The 14 different Planetary systems, along with Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and Lord Brahma, are all situate very deep inside of our surrounding outer Brahmanda shell, (almost spherical shaped) greater universe that originates from the Body of Maha Vishnu.
The global planets in our universe are seen in painting below where the Earth globe (Bhurloka), is part of the 8th Planetary System.
The planets in outer space are called dvīpas.
Our massive Brahmanda, that our smaller single universe, known as Bhu-Mandala with its 14 planetary systems, is deep within, originates from the pores of Maha Vishnu along with billions of other Brahmandas that also have a secondary universe deep within it.
The Earth planet is a "round global sphere" in the ocean of outer space, it is NOT flat, Srila Prabhupada tells us this.
So to repeat again in these early pioneering years that many leading Gurus, Sannyasis and devotee scholars have not properly understood -
Srila Prabhupada - "On the ground our earth looks flat but when you go up you will see our Earth planet is a ball" (Lecture New York 1966.)
The Sanskrit word "Dvīpa" has two meanings.
1 - "Islands" or "continents" on a Planet.
2 - "Globes or spheres" in outer space (as seen in painting below of Bhurloka).
Srila Prabhupada - "The planets are called dvīpas. Outer space is like an ocean of air. Just as there are islands in the watery ocean, these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space" (Chaitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
There is no such thing as ''two views of this Earth'', one from the mundane scientists, the other from the Puranas and the Demigods.
ALL see our Earth as a round global sphere and never flat.
Srila Prabhupada - "The planets are called dvīpas. Outer space is like an ocean of air. Just as there are islands in the watery ocean, these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space" (Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
Srila Prabhupada - "On the ground our earth looks flat but when you go up you will see our Earth planet is a ball" (Lecture New York 1966.)
Although as we know there are subtle realities that are in other dimensional realms, like the inhabitants who live on the Moon, Sun and thousands of other planets.
The mundane material scientists cannot see or detect these subtle realms because they do not have the right material body or karma to enter theses realms.
The Sanskrit word "Dvīpa" has two meanings.
1 - "Islands" or "continents" on a Planet.
2 - "Globes or spheres" in outer space (as seen in painting below of Bhurloka).
(Caitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
NONE of these planets within those systems are a flat! Even the view of this entire universe from the heavenly planets, our Earth is a globe and NOT flat.
Although as we know, there are subtle civilisations in other dimensional realms like the inhabitants on the Moon, Sun and thousands of other planets that the material scientists nor us can see because we do not have the right material body and karmic qualifications to enter their subtle realm.
However, from all those subtle realms, both heavenly and hellish, our Earth planet appears ALWAYS as a globe and NOT flat.
Bhu-Mandala takes up almost our entire universe with its 14 Planetary systems in it, and each planetary system is represented with many global spherical planets.
Bhu-Mandala is NOT the Earth globe!
It is all these planetary systems, spread out within this single universe, that have the appearance of a "vast flat disc of global planets".
This "flat disc" in outer space is made of thousands of planets from the 14 different planetary systems that are collectively called "Bhu-Mandala.
Bhu-Mandala is almost the diameter of our 4 billion mile single universe, it is NOT our small earth globe.
The planets themselves within each system are round globes, they are NOT flat in anyway.
In this way the 14 planetary systems, collectively known as Bhu-Mandala, is almost the size of our 4 billion mile diameter universe.
Bhu-Mandala is not to be confused with our round global spherical earth we live on.
The 14 different Planetary systems, along with Garbhodakashayi Vishnu and Lord Brahma, are all situate very deep inside of our surrounding outer Brahmanda shell, (almost spherical shaped) greater universe that originates from the Body of Maha Vishnu.
The global planets in our universe are seen in painting below where the Earth globe (Bhurloka), is part of the 8th Planetary System.
The planets in outer space are called dvīpas.
Our massive Brahmanda, that our smaller single universe, known as Bhu-Mandala with its 14 planetary systems, is deep within, originates from the pores of Maha Vishnu along with billions of other Brahmandas that also have a secondary universe deep within it.
The Earth planet is a "round global sphere" in the ocean of outer space, it is NOT flat, Srila Prabhupada tells us this.
So to repeat again in these early pioneering years that many leading Gurus, Sannyasis and devotee scholars have not properly understood -
Srila Prabhupada - "On the ground our earth looks flat but when you go up you will see our Earth planet is a ball" (Lecture New York 1966.)
The Sanskrit word "Dvīpa" has two meanings.
1 - "Islands" or "continents" on a Planet.
2 - "Globes or spheres" in outer space (as seen in painting below of Bhurloka).
Srila Prabhupada - "The planets are called dvīpas. Outer space is like an ocean of air. Just as there are islands in the watery ocean, these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space" (Chaitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport)
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