All temporary material bodily vessels in the material world are provided by Maha-Visnu, all material bodily vessels come from the dreams of Maha-Visnu, and "hired" off Him by the individual jiva-souls, all material bodies conceivable are always available to the jiva-souls who have foolishly chosen to leave the spiritual world (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) and enter the decaying material world.

It is important to understand that no individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) originate from Maha-Visnu, they only move to being under His authority on their journey to the temporary material world from the spiritual world.

There are unlimited material bodily vessels available to those jiva-souls who have chosen to enter Maha-Visnu's material worlds (unlimited Brahmanda material universes) after choosing to leave Vaikuntha.

Another important point to understand is the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) were NEVER created by Krsna because they are beginningless and endless like Kṛṣṇa.

Therefore the eternal individual jiva-souls have no origin, although their REAL permanent infinite home is always in the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana, and NOT being trapped in the temporary mundane material world within the repeated horrible cycle of birth and death.

From Maha-Visnu's point of view, the movement through material past, present and future exist simultaneously. 

Srila Prabhupada – "This material creation is the spirit soul’s dream. Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu, as the Brahma-Samhita describes–

"This material world is created by the dreaming of Maha-Visnu. The real, factual platform is the spiritual world, but when the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is put into this dreamland of material creation." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 Text 83)

Srila Prabhupada – "Everything happening within time, which consists of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in understanding in all the Vedic literature." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

Srila Prabhupada – "Our contact with matter is just like dream. Actually we are not fallen. Therefore, because we are not fallen, at any moment we can revive our Krsna consciousness, we break the dream." (Tokyo Japan 1972 lecture on SB)

Srila Prabhupada – "Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kanda-vicara, which means ‘working for future happiness through fruitive activities’, are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 29 text 2b)

The material bodily vessel's movement through the fabric of space and time is like a roadway or pathway that moves from past, to the present, and then carves its future from its birth until its death (the cessation, decay or breakdown of the temporary material body)

These material bodily containers in Maha-Visnu's dreaming material worlds, are Maha-Visnu's creation and always belong to Him. 

The temporary material bodies are "hired out" to each jiva-soul whose desires match or qualify them to accept a particular "dream" from Maha-Visnu.  

This is means each material bodily vessel's pathway is already set in stone from its beginning to its end because each bodily pathway comes from the "already established dreams of Maha-Visnu" and includes EVERY scenario possible that the eternal individual jiva-souls may desire.

In other words, EVERYTHING is already existing within Maha-Visnu's dreams. 

The visiting eternal individual jiva-souls who enter the material world, first obtain a material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu, "hired" (chosen) from His dreams.

Once the individual jiva-souls have entered one of Maha-Visnu's dreams of the material world, it means they have chosen a material bodily vessel also and must live out that material bodies pathway they "hired" from Maha-Visnu because all dreams belong to Maha-Visnu, the jiva-souls cannot change aanything and must live out the pathway they have chosen and then provided by Maha-Visnu.  

This is seemingly a paradox because what about free will? No, it isn't a paradox because everything is planned out including the jiva-soul's individual expressions of free will that is factored into Maha-Visnu's dreams.

Each material bodily pathway is always available for other visiting jiva-souls who have foolishly chosen to enter the material world. 

Maha-Visnu's collection of material bodily vessels are from His vast vault of unlimited material dreams.

All material bodily vessels are like costumes "hired out" from the Costume shop owner Maha-Visnu.

All of one's choices and their individual expressions of free will, are factored in before the jiva-soul is given a particular material bodily vessel to enter in the material world.

Maha-Visnu sees all this because He knows past, present and future be ing Krsna's via Balarāma.

There is always free will with the individual jiva-souls, however, all facilities the individual jiva-souls receive, including the material bodily vessels they occupy, all come from the dreams of Maha-Visnu and are already paradoxically mapped out.

The individual jiva-souls desires, and the dreams of Maha-Visnu are paradoxically linked together which leaves one wondering, how can free will exist if each dream of Maha-Visnu already exists like a movie already exists in a video library? 

Every combination possible exists in Maha-Visnu's dreams and caters for every possible desire in individual jiva-souls have and the execution of free will is also include.

This is possible because Maha-Visnu is God and knows all past, present and future.

"Free will" is experienced by first choosing a material bodily vessel before one enters it and already knowing and agreeing to its entire pathway or journey before entering (posessing) it. This means the jiva-soul's ability to express "free will" is already factored into the equation of the destiny of the material body one has chosen.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is - "O Arjuna, whatever you wish to see, behold at once in this body of Mine! This universal form can show you whatever you now desire to see and whatever you may want to see in the future. Everything moving and nonmoving is here completely, in one place." (BG, Ch 11 text 7)

Srila Prabhupada  - "No one can see the entire universe while sitting in one place. Even the most advanced scientist cannot see what is going on in other parts of the universe. But a devotee like Arjuna can see everything that exists in any part of the universe. Kṛṣṇa gives him the power to see anything he wants to see, past, present and future. Thus by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna is able to see EVERYTHING." (BG, Ch 11 text 7 Purport) 

The great sages and devotees in previous ages thousands of years ago were "tri-kāla-jñā."

Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand-

1 - What was in the past,

2 - What there shall be in the future,

3 - And what is at present.

Srila Prabhupada - "So the point is that five thousand years ago the things which were written for this age, how they are coming to be true in our experience. That is the point: how they could see past, present, and future so nicely. The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and three. Tri is Sanskrit, and three is English or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā.

Tri means three, and kāla means time.

Time is experienced by three ways: past, present and future. Time limitation, past, present and future. Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future. So the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future, and what is at present. Just like in the Bhagavad gītā Kṛṣṇa says,

"My Dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individuals. That past, present, and future, he explained."

Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni (BG 7.26). Atītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, "and present." So that is yogic power. One CAN know past, present, and future." (SB, Canto 12 Ch 2 Text 1 San Francisco, March 18, 1968)

There is still a lot more to learn about the movement of the marginal living entity through material space and time, we have only scratched the surface in understanding Vedic texts in the 50 years since Srila Prabhupada made his valuable contribution to the western world.

The movement of space-time is eternally divided into past, present and future ONLY while this material universes exists.

And all material bodily vessels or bodily containers are part and parcel of material time and space governing this material creation that takes up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky.

In the material creation we are simply the passengers riding on/in this material energy/bodily vessels.

The individual marginal living entities (jiva-souls) occupy (hire) a material bodily vessel and becomes a passenger in that material body given to them by Maha-Visnu, according to their desires and the reactions to acting out those desires (present and past pious and impious actions in a material bodily vessel)

Therefore past, present and future in the material creation all exist simultaneously from the view of Maha-Visnu only.

Even with mundane logic, the material desires of an individual marginal living entity (jiva-soul), would eventually repeat themselves over the span of eternity (infinity) because every combination of material elements would again seemingly repeat themselves.

HERE HERE HERE HERE.

Many have asked, could the past activities of a material body one chooses from Maha-Visnu's dreams, still be happening today somewhere in the universe's division of space-time, with another jiva-soul playing that same part?"

The answer is yes, that is exactly what's going on.

This is because past, present and future are happening simultaneously and is always a roadway that is part of the fabric of material energy.

This means all material bodily vessel are like a permanent 'POST' just like Lord Brahma's material body is also.

This further means only those jiva-souls with the right qualifactions can experience what ever bodily vessel they are given and deserve.

To be qualified for any material bodily vessel one must be trained up and have corresponding desires and Karma to qualify and enter a particular material bodily vessel.

Some believe this means the material universe is repeating itself, but with a different batch of individual jiva-souls possessing all material bodily vessels.

But NO, that is NOT what is going on because EVERYTHING already exists and the jiva-souls are just moving through a permanent fabric pathway of material energy.

Some believe this is the same as a "repeating universe" or "eternal reoccurrence" of the material universe? But no, this is NOT happening in that way.

There is more to what is happening on the "fabric roadway of space-time" that eternally exists as a material pathway of space-time that many jiva-souls can traverse as a passenger of the material energy.

This means all material bodily vessels are existing from past, present to future like the journey on roadway always exists.

In other words, if one can see past, present and future of material energy (that includes material bodily vessels) it would look like a permanent pathway in space-time that jiva-souls pass through continuously.

Therefore it only appears that the material bodily vessels are continually reoccurring when in actual fact, the jiva-souls are entering a permanent pathway which is what is really existing eternally.

Everything is temporary in the material creation because of the movement of past, present and future that has the side effect of impermanence, decomposition, birth, youth, disease, old age and death.

In the spiritual worlds of Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana only the "eternal presence" exists with no concept of past or future.

This means everything there is eternally fresh and youthful.

Material energy makes up all material bodily vessels or containers that the jiva-soul enters as a passenger (covered by).

When the material bodily vessel wears out and decays, it breaks down into material elements and merges again back into the material energy around us.

Only the jiva-soul or spiritual form (anti-matter) never decays and eternally remains an individual person separate from the material creation and all that is in these decaying material worlds.

Therefore, the material universes concept of time is governed by past, present and future, but exists ALL at the same time to those who can see from above this mundane movement material time.

This means that all material bodily vessels (material energy), like yours and mine included, are all a permanent fixture of Maha-Visnu's dreams of the material universe and are eternally existing through the continuous flow of space-time in Maha-Visnu's library of material dreams available to be "hired" to the jiva-souls who have chosen to visit the material creation.

In other words, it is the constant flow of material space-time (material energy) that is seemingly repeating itself, and NOT the material bodily vessels.

So there is NO repetition going on, there is only a constant movement of going down a permanent roadway or pathway that ALWAYS exists for other jiva-souls to also travel through.

Only by observing the fabric of material space-time from above can we observe each stage of the "NOW" (past, present and future) and see all past, present and future eternally exist together.

Srila Prabhupada always encouraged us to have personal realizations and yes, the ones here are thought provoking because they are based on Vedic teachings.

Keep in mind, the 'dreams' of Maha-Visnu are mind boggling, even Arjuna could view past, present and future simultaneously, seeing that EVERYTHING, past, present and future, exists right NOW!

This means one is just traveling through what is already there, what already exists.

Another way of understanding this is just like when one rewinds a video tape, the contends captured will always be the same at every stage on the tape.

Similarly, the material bodily vessel we are now in is like a 'POST' that is always existing for jiva-souls to enter and experience.

This means material time and space is permanently recorded and ALWAYS exists AS the material dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This also means we take our next birth in a bodily vessel that already eternally exists in the past, present and future time zone explained above, where the jiva-soul moves though the stages of past, present and future, experiencing in the moment of "NOW" meaning birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age, death of the material vessel the jiva-soul is "moving through".

That further means when we choose a bodily vessel, the pathway in its different stages of childhood, youth, middle age, old age etc of that material body, already exists in its time zone because each material bodies time zone is a permanent fixture of this material universe known as the Maha-tattva (material creation).

What we are learning here, is all the 'dreams' of Maha Visnu are all happening "NOW" which means past, present and future exist simultaneously and we only move through the different time stages of a material bodily vessel that exists in the past, the present or the future.

The dreams (pathways) of Maha-Visnu are eternal.

The material energy is all one but NOT the life force (jiva-souls) that are individual PERSONS as Prabhupada has taught us.

This is important to understand as there are many impersonalists who believe there is one all pervasive life force that moves through all material bodily species.

Their ideas are wrong and are dangerous impersonalism.

In the material creation everything in under the movement time (past, present and future) already exists, like a long roadway already exists from its beginning to its end.

This means the pathway or roadway of the material bodily vessels, gross or subtle, we possess and enter, like the roadway, is already carved out and we are simply passengers on that roadway in that material bodily vessel for its journey.

In other words, one who worships the rich and famous can take birth in a material bodily vessel they also admired, and after being trained up, they qualified to take that birth which in itself would take many, many, many births just for the opportunity to be famous for one insignificant life time like Paul McCartney, Elvis Presley or Bill Gates etc.

What an ignorant selfish waste of time compared to just choosing to return home back to Godhead in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

If those jiva-souls in those material vessels knew what they had to go through to attain that famous wealthy bodily materialistic existence, they would have second thoughts about seeking material fame and wealth on this planet or the heavenly planets.

One can also take the 'POST' of Lord Brahma if they are qualified.

So all materials vessels are "POSTS" just like Lord Brahma's material body is a POST.

Usually the most pious living entity in each material universe can take up the post of Lord Brahma when the next universe manifeasts.

In the same way; we are all awarded with a material bodily vessel according to our past pious and impious activities known as karma.

All individual living entities (jiva-souls) should try to understand the fabric of space-time which is moving the jiva-souls through the many stages of the roadway of past, present and future. (the material bodily vessel)

However, from above, just like one sees the entire journey on a roadway, one can see the beginning, middle and end, all at once of that pathway.

This means "materially" one can see all past, present and future existing together, and its every twist and turn on that roadway.

The explanation in the above essay is correctly suggesting that all material bodily vessels are like "permanent" fixtures or pathways (real but temporary), that ALWAYS exists in the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This may give the impression of eternal repetition or occurrence but no, the material universe is in constant state of moving or flowing through the existence of past, present and future in the fabric of time.

In other words, moving on the pathway or on the twists and turns of a road is compared to the jiva-soul experiencing the birth, childhood, youth, middle age, old age and death of the material body they are in.

This is the only place in material existence that is eternally repeating itself, but ONLY the fabric of time, past, present and future, is continuously existing.

In other words, what is seen from above the movement of material time, is all of Maha-Visnu's dream existing simultaneously.

This means all past, present and future are ALWAYS existing.

This means there is a constant flow of space-time's past, present and future which means others jiva-souls can also traverse the same roadway and experience the same material body.

What is explained above, is that all material bodily vessels or containers we are in, are always the property of Maha-Visnu to be "hire" by any jiva-soul qualified, and such a vessel will always remain part of His dreaming material creation available for other jiva-souls to also obtain, enter and experience His material creation.

In Maha-Visnu's dreams, every scenario conceivable is ALREADY existing past, present and future.

The dreams of Maha-Visnu's dreams are similar to a "costume shop" full of many different costumes (realities) one can choose to enter.

Every jiva-soul who enters the material creation, must go to this so called costume shop of material bodily vessels (dress shop) that are all created from the dreams of the sleeping Maha Visnu.

And choose which material bodily vessel they want to enter.

This is where the jiva-souls are offered a particular material bodily vessel by Maha-Visnu according to their material desires, so they can enter into the material creation with a suitable material body that is in accordance with their material desires.

Maha-Visnu owns all such material vessels that are part and parcel of the material creation that He is dreaming.

Therefore, those who have chosen to enter the material creation, must go to Maha-Visnu's dreams and choose a material bodily vessel from His unlimited dreams of all material affairs.

Everything conceivable material bodily vessel or container, exists in Maha-Visnu's dreams, every scenario possible, no matter how strange or bizarre, already exists in the dreams of Maha Visnu.

All that there is, all that there will be, every combination of material existence, already exists in His dreams.

It is these material bodies (coming from Maha-Visnu's dreams) all jiva-souls in all the billions of Brahmanda universes coming from Maha-Visnu, must choose from, just like one chooses from a variety of costumes from a fancy dress store.

Regarding eternal associates of Krsna like Arjuna, there is a different set of rules.

The fact is, Arjuna is with Krsna in innumerable different material universes at one time, and there is only one jiva-soul who is Arjuna.

The jiva-soul therefore of those surrendered to Krsna, CAN expand or project their consciousness into many different material bodies at once and be just the "one jiva-soul" in all those material bodies.

Yes this is very true as sastra tells us but very rare especially in this degraded age of Kali-yuga.

The fact is the jiva-soul in Arjuna's material bodily vessel is the same Arjuna in all the different universes.

This is achieved because the one jiva-soul (Arjuna) expands himself into many different material bodily vessels or containers (bodies) that are all also him, "just one jiva-soul" in his case.

Such actions of Arjuna is rare.

A yogi can also project his consciousness and be in 8 different material bodies at one time.

But this is NOT the case with every material bodily vessel in the material creation!

It is only some rare eternal associates of Krsna.

This is NOT the case with the different Lord Brahmas in each of their small universes that deep within and surrounded by the greater Brahmanda universal shell, is a different jiva-soul and not one jiva-soul.

So in every material bodily vessel of Lord Brahma, there is a different jiva-soul every time Maha Visnu dreams up all the billions of Brahmanda universes in the material creation.

All the different Brahmas are NOT the same "jiva-souls", there are billions of different jiva-souls who can become a Brahma in all the different material univeses that are deep inside each outer Brahmanda universe that comes from the Body of Maha Visnu.

There are those who believe the material universe is continuously repeating itself each time Maha Visnu creates the material Brahmanda universes, but is that true?

Actually, it only "seems" that way because everything that is, and can be, already exists within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

This means the material universe, including all bodily vessels, is continuously existing with an endless flow of individual jiva-souls possessing those material bodies (passing through them)

Therefore it only "seems" the material universe is repeating itself when in actual fact it isn't.

This is because each material vessel or container eternally exists within the material dreams of Maha-Visnu, and is therefore a permanent "POST" that "always" exists as a pathway for visiting jiva-souls to simply travels through while in the material creation.

Remember all these material bodily containers ARE coming from the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

It is therefore the jiva-souls that move through the journey of material existence in a material body experiencing its birth, youth, middle age, disease, old age decline and decay, and its death and rebirth if one fails in getting out of this temporary material mundane world of repeated birth and death.

Being in a material bodily vessel or container, is like one who travels on a pathway or road that leads to a destination. 

The fact is, these "pathways" have always existed that many other jiva-souls have also experienced and many more will experience (the journey of material bodily containers or vessels from the dreams of Maha-Visnu)

This is what is really happening in the material creation instead of eternal repetition.

Material existence is always moving through time (past, present and future) from its creation to annihilation (birth, youth, disease, old age, death) of material bodies.

This process "seemingly repeats" itself again and again when the material universes are created again by Maha-Visnu but that is NOT what is going on.

The fact is, the material bodily vessels that are the dreams of Maha-Visnu, are a permanent fixture or POST existing "within" the dreams of Maha Visnu that the visiting jiva-souls simply move through, like one moves on a roadway or pathway that still remains there as they pass on it.

Another way of looking at this-

Just like there always exists a fancy dress shop in society where one can go and rent costumes to expeience a particular play, similarly every material bodily vessel conceivable exists in Maha-Visnu's "fancy dress shop of material costumes that one can "hire" if they desire" (From within Maha-Visnu's dreams that are available for all jiva-souls to hire).

Therefore each time the material universe is again created or manifests, a different batch of jiva-souls enters that pathway of material bodily vessels (costumes cover the jiva-soul)

The fact is, like costumes in a fancy dress rental shop, all bodily vessels in the material universe are a permanent fixture within Maha-Visnu's dream of material creation.

The fact is, each material bodily "costume" is a permanent "POST" within Maha-Visnu's dream of material existence that provides the material bodily experiences of birth, youth, disease, old age and death,

These material vessels or costumes always remains the property of Maha-Visnu's dreams and are only "hired" to the visiting jiva-souls who enter the material creation.

The cycle of material existence from creation to decay continues on eternally with the continuous flow of jiva-souls appearing in each material body at the beginning of that material bodies creation and experience its journey through to its annihilation or demise.

In other words, each time the universe is created and "seemingly" repeats itself, a different batch of soul takes the "post" or that material bodily vessel from Maha-Visnu's dreams.

Therefore, the next time around (the next material creation created by Maha-Visnu), all the exact same material bodily vessels will again exist, but with a new batch of jiva-souls in them.

This means within each material bodily vessel, exists a different jiva-soul playing that part, different from the previous jiva-souls who played that exact same roll in the previous movement of space-time.

The material universes "seem" to be eternally repeating themselves, but in actual fact it is fixed and there is no repetition going on.

This is because past, present and future are eternally existing like a permanent roadway is seen above to exist from its beginning, middle and end.

However, the "jiva-soul" is NOT the material bodily vessel. The material bodily vessel is only like a garment covering the jiva-soul who is a passenger in that outer garment or material body.×**×.

The heavenly civilization known as Chandraloka on the Moon, is in a higher dimensional realm of "subtle" material energy beyond the detection of modern technology

Were the NASA Moon landings a hoax? The real Truth finally revealed.

Did man really go to the Moon 6 times between 1969 and 1972?

Understanding the truth about going to the Moon.

The fact is Prabhupada was right about one aspect of space travel, that man has NEVER entered the Heavenly reality of Chandraloka on the Moon which is invisible to human eyes.

The heavenly civilization known as Chandraloka on the Moon, is in a higher dimensional realm of "subtle" material energy beyond the detection of modern technology and the "gross" human material senses or material bodily vessel we have on Earth.

So when the Astronauts first went to the Moon in 1969 they could not see or detect, with their gross technology and gross material body, the higher material "subtle" dimensional realm existing there.

Therefore due to lack of proper education about science and technology in the 1960s/70s, many statements by devotees and even Prabhupāda was speculation based on limited knowledge of 1960s tecknology.

Such 1960s technology was far too advanced for Prabhupada's young students to understand. 

Therefore the Apollo missions to the Moon in the 1960s/70s were a mystery to not only Prabhupada and his young disciples, but also to most of the world's population at that time.

During this time many nonsense conspiracy theories existed because many could not understand this new technology and never trusted their Government or NASA.

Some, including many ignorant devotees, even claimed all the NASA technology was a hoax claiming the Saturn rockets were impossible to build.

These devotees reminded me of the Aboriginals who first greeted the first fleet when Australia was discovered and could not understand these tall ships and men coming ashore on carts with wheels.

The Aboriginal natives still had not discovered the wheel and could not understand it, just like ISKCON devotees could not understand the NASA space missions. 

Many devotees and members of the public could not understand the new technology NASA was using.

Athough Srila Prabhupāda's opinion that Man never went to the Moon between 1969 and 1972 (the Moon we can see in the sky) is correct in one sense, they could not enter Chandraloka. 

But was not maturely fully researched in the early 1970s, and sadly many devotees (most in their early 20s) were mislead by nonsense speculative conspiracy theories denying the fact NASA did land on the "gross Moon" or the Moon we CAN see.

As it turns out, today we know they DID go to the Moon and Prabhupāda's opinion and His many discussions on Morning walks and in His room with disciples are proved incorrect due to ignorance and lack of knowledge of modern technology back in the early 1970s.

And frankly to keep denying this fact only makes ISKCON look like a fanatical questionable religious cult. 

Many people have rejected ISKCON because of this un-educated denial that NASA never went to the Moon, or China, Japan, India, Russia, European Union and Israel haven't sent space crafts to the Moon in just 3 hours!

Only fools believe they are all in on some silly hoax.

This question keeps coming up among ISKCON devotees, did Apollo's six manned space missions from 1969 to 1972 land on the same Moon we CAN see in the sky, where 12 Astronauts walked on the Moon?

Srila Prabhupada - "Man has struggled very hard to reach the Moon but he has not tried very hard to elevate himself spiritually" (Bhagavad Gita As It Is Introduction).

In 2021 if devotees keep claiming man never went to at least the reality we CAN see of the Moon, then it will only prove how sentimental some devotees are.

This is because even Prabhupāda's opinions MUST be proved by evidence and NOT based on silly sentimental blind faith claiming Prabhupada knows everything about Cosmology.

The fact is he doesn't.

To deny the Moon landings is NOT intelligent because the evidence that NASA went to the Moon is overwhelming, and only denied by those who lack the correct mature education.

Today there is OVERWHELMING evidence and proof, including photos of the Apollo landing sites taken by a Japanese spacecraft in 2018, that reveals the NASA Moon landings really did happen and were NOT a hoax or all bluff as Prabhupada has many times claimed.

Also China, India, Russia, Japan and the European Union have all sent spacrafts to the Moon.

I have always maintained since the 1970s that when he said they never went to the Moon, he meant the "heavenly subtle realm" beyond our vision and science called Chandraloka, and not the physical gross Moon we CAN see.

There are so many other realities (dimensions) everywhere through out the material universe, including here on earth as well, and of course on the moon and all other planets, including the Sun. 

Living entities also live on the Sun according to Srimad Bhagavatam, but obviously beyond our gross dimension of time and space and only attained by pious activity (karma) and NOT by mechanical means.

On the moon there exist a different subtle civilization unseen by our gross material senses and technology, this heavenly realm is called Chandraloka.

This higher dimensional reality is situated in another realm of space-time different from our "gross Earth reality or dimension" therefore unseen by NASA and their Astronauts.

The subtle reality on the Moon is called Chandraloka, a heavenly realm attained only by pious activity (karma) and NOT by any mechanical means.

This subtle reality on the Moon is a heavenly opulent place not visible to us in a "gross material body" or our Earth's mundane gross technology.

It’s not just the moon and Sun that has these subtle higher dimensional realities, the fact is, such dimensional divisions exist throughout this entire material universe and even on our Earth planet.

For example, we cannot see ghosts or bhutas here on Earth, nor can we see other living entities such as the messengers of death (The Yamadhutas) who take the subtle material body thst the jiva-soul is in, out of the gross material bodily vessel when the gross body dies.

The Yamadhuta's bodies are also material but exist in a subtle reality unseen by most in a "gross material body, unless one is qualified to see the "subtle material realm".

So most of us in these gross material bodies cannot see so many other realities and dimensions in this material creation that are actually all around us.

So when they first went to the Moon on July 20th 1969, the astronauts could not see or enter the heavenly realm that IS there even though they DID land on the Moon without any doubt.

These facts are really hard to denying in 2021 no matter what Prabhupada said 50 years ago with the then limited knowledge he and his disciples had back then, claiming they never went to the Moon.

The fact is NASA DID go to at least "the Moon we see in the Sky" and it is foolish today in 2021 to deny this mundane achievement and believe so many nonsense conspiracy theories and speculation they never went to the Moon.

All those who sentimentally believe Prabhupāda's comments can never be challenged, simply because he said it, believing the Spiritual Master knows everything and can never be wrong, should understand Prabhupāda is NOT God.

Religious fanatics claim if you question Prabhupada, it could damage the faith of younger followers. And they further claim it is offensive to question the conclusion of the Spiritual Master even when we know his opinion is clearly wrong like his comment in the 8th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam that claims the Moon is further away from Earth than the Moon is.

A ridiculous Purport in Prabhupada's Books.

So do we keep this lie about the Moon landings being a hoax and its distance from Earth going?

That is no way to run an organisation supposed to be based on encouraging others to seek out the truth, instead of forcing others to believe this nonsense with bullying fear tactics and threats you are going to hell for questioning the Spiritual Master's nonsense claim NASA never visited the "gross" Moon!

As said above, Prabhupada is not Krsna, therefore he does not know everything like Krsna does. 

Yes Prabhupāda is Krsna's pure devotee and has even admitted himself he did not know everything about Cosmology. 

That is why he sent Tamal Krsna Gosvami to South India in search of a Vedic Brahmin expert in Vedic Cosmology,  but no one qualified was found.

As said above, when Prabhupada said they never went to the Moon,  it is obvious he meant they never went to the "subtle" heavenly realm there called Chandraloka, even though he often also said they never went to the Moon we see, which I disagree with because his opinion is incorrect.

But the fact is, often he was not really sure himself and today all his comments about not reaching the Moon said in room discussions, and even in some Purports in Srimad Bhagavatam needs to be better understood and corrected.

So it is pointless quoting Prabhupada to me about the Moon landings being a hoax and all bluff, or that Moon rocks really come from the Arizona desert because I do NOT accept Prabhupada's comments and opinions on this subject, in fact they are laughable!

As said above, this includes his opinion that the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun, which is simply NOT true.

To me these opinions by Prabhupada are simply not fully maturely researched, and often ignored because ISKCON leadership do not want to question the comments Prabhupada makes in his books, said by devotees to be the foundations and law for the next 10,000 years. 

Even though many leaders today know his belief thstvthe Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun is not only wrong, but is a ridiculous comment.

Many who join ISKCON eventually come across that bizarre Purport in the 8th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam Chapter 10 Text 38 Purport that says the moon is further away from Earth than the sun-

Srila Prabhupada - ''Therefore the distance between the Earth and the Moon would be about 95,000,000 miles'' (SB Canto 8, 10 Text 38 Purport)

Sadly many leave ISKCON because of this claim the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun.

There are many ways to correctly measure the Moon distance from Earth.

Astronaut, Edwin E. Aldrin Jr deployed two reflectors on the Moon during the Apollo 11 manned Moon mission on July 20th 1969 that gave the exact distance to Earth as 238,000 miles away.

And not 95,000 000 as Prabhupada claimed in a Purport in the 8th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam.

I used a laser at Parks Radio telescope in late 1969 to accurately see the distance between Earth the Moon. It is nonsense to believe that the Moon is further away from Earth than the Sun is. 

The distance to the Moon from is scientific proved, and has been proved for the last 60 years for those who do the proper research.

There are five reflecting panels on the Moon. Two were delivered by Apollo 11 and Apollo 14 crews in 1969 and 1971, respectively. 

They are each made of 100 mirrors that scientists call “corner cubes,” as they are corners of a glass cube; the benefit of these mirrors is that they can reflect light back to any direction it comes from. 

Another panel with 300 corner cubes was dropped off by Apollo 15 astronauts in 1971.

Soviet robotic rovers called Lunokhod 1 and 2, which landed in 1970 and 1973, carry two additional reflectors, with 14 mirrors each. 

Collectively, these reflectors comprise the last working science experiment from the Apollo era.

Prabhupada was right that they can NEVER “enter” the "heavenly reality" or realm on the Moon called Chandraloka because the Astronauts are in a "gross material body" traveling in "gross material spacecrafts" that can never detect such a heavenly realm in sub-space.

So they can NEVER enter Chandraloka, a heavenly realm on the Moon.

The ONLY way to enter Chandraloka is via pious activities with the "right type of material subtle body".

No one can enter Chandraloka while in a "gross material body" or through mundane mechanical means, as said above, only via pious activities can the jiva-soul in a subtle material body enter this material heavenly realm on the Moon.

Therefore the Astronauts can and did go to at least the "gross Moon" in Apollo 11 to Apollo 17 missions from 1969 to 1972 and have sent many probes back since, especially in the last 10 years by India, China, Japan, European Union, Russia, Israel, America who have all sent spaecrafts to the Moon.

Are all these countries all in on some silly hoax and conspiracy theories as well?

No they are not all in on some silly hoax!

So yes without any doubt, the Astronauts went to the "gross" Moon at great expense and yes, a total waste of money as Prabhupada also said.+++

Sadly, many devotees have a wrong understanding of spiritual communism, it is nothing like useless suppressive dictatorial communism in the material creation.

The fact is, human society at the present moment is NOT in the darkness of oblivion Prabhupada tells us in Srimad Bhagavatam.

Even though Srila Prabhupada also made many doom and gloom comments about modern society, such as World War 3 (1974) etc, he made other possive comments as well based on the power of our preaching can change everything.

Prabhupada was really telling us that this temporary decaying material creation is NOT our real home, and we should prepare ourselves to get out of this material creation as soon as we can, and go back home back to Godhead.

Srila Prabhupada also made POSITIVE comments about preaching and how Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Movement will SAVE the world, totally opposite to those doom and gloom comments claiming we will see in our life time the total collapse of Society.

I do NOT believe or accept those comments, and here is why in Prabhupada's own words- 

Srila Prabhupada - "The human society, at the present moment, is NOT in the darkness of oblivion. It has made rapid progress in the field of material comforts of life, education and economic development of the entire world. But it suffers a pin-prick somewhere in the social body at large and therefore there is large scale quarrel even on less important issues. Therefore there is the want of the clue as to how they can become one in peace, friendship and prosperity by the common cause. Srimad Bhagavatam will fill up this gap by ontological aspect of human education. It is therefore a cultural presentation for re-spiritualisation of the entire human society." (Śrīmad Bhāgavatam Preface)

Actually, I was in Prabhupada's room when he explained the nature of the material world is ALWAYS in a state of decay, decline and in need of contant maintenance, but no, it will NOT finish in our life time or our children's life time, that is 432,000 years from now. Over the next 5000 years though, things will get better.

Prabhupada said 50 years ago in 1974, the world will eventually end in nuclear holocaust.

However, today in 2023 the world is a lot better than it was in the 1970s, way better now!!

Today, we can preach all over the world including Russia, Ukraine and other old Soviet countries, unlike what we could do in the 1970s.

Even in the the world wide Covid 19 pandemic between 2020 to 2023 that killed 8 million people, the world is far better than instability of the 1970s

Prabhupada said by the strength of Sankirtan we CAN change the Soviet Union, and that will change the world for better - and that has happened!!

In different morning walks and room conversations Prabhupada said so many things, but also made many possitive comments too totally opposite to those doom and gloom comments he made, I was there.

Ramsevara has said very pessimistic doom and gloom comments he claims was made to him by Prabhupada about what will happen in our life time.

Srila Prabhupada often made the point that NOTHING is permanent in this material world, everything is in a constant state of decomposition AND decay and eventually every great empire crumbles and falls apart in the material world.

However, in our life time Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu's great Sankirtan movement and Prabhupada's Book distribution WILL spiritualise our entire society. 

So, I reject the nonsense coming from Ramesvara. His claim of what Prabhupada said, is his own silly nonsense!  

Ramesvara's "rant" is not on database because their is no recording, just his doom and gloom nonsense speculation.

But Prabhupada also told us different in his room in Melbourne in 1976, from Ramesvara's nonsense comments he "claims" Prabhupada told him (that I do not believe) on the way to Kumba Mela.

To the contrary, Prabhupada told us that a coming World War 3 prediction CAN be averted by our strong preaching and our preaching about Lord Caitanya CAN save the world.

And he said it will begin by being accepted in the Soviet block, that happened in 1988 and today ISKCON is booming throughout Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc even though there is a war going on between two old Soviet Union States, Ukraine and Russia.

It's almost like a civil war, the fact is,  80% of Ukraine speak Russian and the West especially the UK and the United States hate Russia and make out this war is worse than what it really is.

So, no, the world will NOT collapse in our life time due to a third world war. 

A population of nearly 8 billion world wide is there for a reason that was lass than 3 billion in 1965-

The Golden Age of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu has already begun. 

The world will NOT collapse in our life time or our children's life time, things WILL get better long before they get worse because of adancing Kali-yuga.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human society, at the present moment, is NOT in the darkness of oblivion. It has made rapid progress in the field of material comforts of life, education and economic development of the entire world. But it suffers a pin-prick somewhere in the social body at large and therefore there is large scale quarrel even on less important issues. Therefore there is the want of the clue as to how they can become one in peace, friendship and prosperity by the common cause. Srimad Bhagavatam will fill up this gap by ontological aspect of human education. It is therefore a cultural presentation for re-spiritualisation of the entire human society." (ŚB, Preface)

Many devotees do not understand other comments by Srila Prabhupada that nullify what he said in 1973 that society would be finished within 50 years because communism will try to take over.

Well, that never happened!!

Prabhupada said if communism collapses and we open Temples all over Russia and the other Communist block countries like Ukraine and Poland etc, then that changes everything Prabhupada told us in his room! 

That is a big preaching game changer!

Some devotees today remind me of Christians who have been walking around with placards since the 12th Century claiming we are in the "last day."

What does decay and wears out is the material bodily vessel we are in as a passenger

So, that does not mean all other things will NOT be finished in 2 or 3 years!! (by 2022) Only fools would believe that silly nonsense.

However, yes, eventually EVERYTHING will be finished because all thing are temporary in the material world and Kali-yuga (that goes for 432,000 years) does get worse and eventually very hellish. 

But not now in the early 21st Century. 

In fact, over the next 5000 years the Hare Krsna movement will grow and the globe we live on WILL get better. 

But eventually, 10,000 years from now, there will be no more Hare Krsna on this planet, most devotees would have left, leaving only thevmost selfish materialistic people.

Death can come at anytime and we must prepare ourselves for that by training ourselves to always remember Kṛṣṇa and NEVER forget Him.

The fact is preaching today in the 2020s is far better than it was in the ignorance of the 1970s.

For example, just look at last years Moscow Rathayatra or the massive Hare Krsna festivals in Poland.

Such things were impossible 50 years ago, things are NOT getting worse they ARE far better!!

Sadly, many devotees have a wrong understanding of spiritual communism, it is nothing like useless communism in the material creation.

The relationship with Krsna is VOLUNTARY in the spiritual world and has NOTHING to do with material communism.

Real communism means that the qualities of the jiva-soul all have the same equality which is 78.125% of Krsna’s qualities which is having 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes. 

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, VOLUNTARY, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - “In the spiritual world how one serves Kṛṣṇa is always VOLUNTARY. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, VOLUNTARY, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souĺs have THEIR choices too, EVEN if that choice means rejecting Krsna! If you cannot reject Krsna then you have no free will Prabhupada explains-

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly".

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk Srila Prabhupada about Rene Descartes)

Hare Krsna ..*^^^*..

The fact is, human society at the present moment is NOT in the darkness of oblivion.

Even though Srila Prabhupada also made many doom and gloom comments about modern society, such as World War 3 (1974) etc.

Prabhupada was really telling us that this temporary decaying material creation is NOT our real home, and we should prepare ourselves to get out of this material creation as soon as we can, and go back home back to Godhead.

Srila Prabhupada also made POSITIVE comments about preaching and how Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Movement will SAVE the world, totally opposite to those doom and gloom comments claiming we will see in our life time the total collapse of Society.

I do NOT believe or accept those comments, and here is why in Prabhupada's own words- 

Srila Prabhupada - "The human society, at the present moment, is NOT in the darkness of oblivion. It has made rapid progress in the field of material comforts of life, education and economic development of the entire world.

But it suffers a pin-prick somewhere in the social body at large and therefore there is large scale quarrel even on less important issues. Therefore there is the want of the clue as to how they can become one in peace, friendship and prosperity by the common cause. 

Srimad Bhagavatam will fill up this gap by ontological aspect of human education. It is therefore a cultural presentation for re-spiritualisation of the entire human society." (ŚB, Preface)

Actually I was in Prabhupada's room when he explained the nature of the material world is ALWAYS in a state of decay and decline, no, it will NOT finish in our life time.

I'm in my 70s now, Prabhupada said that 50 years ago and the world is a lot better than it was in the 1970s, way better now!!.

Today we can preach all over Russia unlike what we could do in the 1970s.

Even in the a world wide pandemic, the world today in 2021 is far better than instability of the 1970s

Prabhupada said by the strength of Sankirtan we CAN change the Soviet Union, and that will change the world for better - and that has happened!!

In different morning walks and room conversations Prabhupada said so many things, but also made many possitive comments too totally opposite to those doom and gloom comments he made, I was there.

Ask Ramsevara, some very pessimistic doom and gloom comments he foolishly claims was made to him, but later Prabhupada added to us he was simply making the point NOTHING is permanent in this material world, everything is in a constant state of decomposition.

AND OUR SANKIRTAN MOVEMENT AND BOOK DISTRIBUTION CAN SPIRITUALISE OUR SOCIETY.

What Prabhupada said to Ramesvara I do NOT accept. 

Ramesvara's "rant" is not on database because their is no recording, just his doom and gloom speculation.

But Prabhupada also told us, WAY BEYOND the "dreaded" comments he made to Ramesvara on the way to Kumba Mela, and to the devotees on that World War 3 prediction tape that our preaching CAN save the world.

And he said it will begin by being accepted in the Soviet block, that happened in 1988 and today ISKCON is booming throughout Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc.

No, the world will NOT collapse, a population of nearly 8 billion world wide is there for a reason-

The Golden Age of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu has already begun. 

THE WORLD WILL "NOT COLLAPSE" IN OUR LIFE TIME OR OUR CHILDREN'S LIFE TIME.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human society, at the present moment, is NOT in the darkness of oblivion. It has made rapid progress in the field of material comforts of life, education and economic development of the entire world.

But it suffers a pin-prick somewhere in the social body at large and therefore there is large scale quarrel even on less important issues.

Therefore there is the want of the clue as to how they can become one in peace, friendship and prosperity by the common cause. 

Srimad Bhagavatam will fill up this gap by ontological aspect of human education.

It is therefore a cultural presentation for re-spiritualisation of the entire human society." (Śrīmad Bhāgavatam Preface)

Hare Krsna*

Loving service to Krsna is not a one-way or one-sided affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence, no, there is always a choice by the jiva-souls of voluntarily participating.

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two, there must be two, the lover and the beloved." (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana personal voluntary expressions of loving exchanges are always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls that adds flavour, variety and mystery to their association with Krsna in Goloka-Vrndavana.

This means the Kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana) is not a one-sided dominating realm devoid of personal expressions (free will) that denies personal unique contributions or offerings by the jiva-souls to Krsna that expand, enrich and flavour one's loving association with Krsna.

Loving service to Krsna and exchanges with Him cannot exist if there is only a one-sided affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence. 

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on free will which means loving exhanges between two, and is never a one sided dominating affair.

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a two-sided relationship with Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible between two, with each contributing to the relationship that expands the variety of nectarine mellows.

The word reciprocation only has meaning when there are two involved, NOT one.

Free will is eternally the constitutional make up of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and the foundation in all relationship with Krsna because free will gives the jiva-souls a voice.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence."(Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)

"Sakti" means the different categories of "energies" of Krsna, living and non-living.

Srila Prabhupāda - "Sakti means “energy.” There are many types of energies of the Supreme Lord, and all of them are auspicious. 

Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara are called guṇa-avatāras, or incarnations of material qualities. 

In the material world we compare these different incarnations from different angles of vision, but since all of them are expansions of the supreme auspicious, all of them are auspicious, although sometimes we consider one quality of nature to be higher or lower than another. 

The mode of ignorance, or tamo-guṇa, is considered very much lower than the others, but in the higher sense it is also auspicious. 

The example may be given herein that the government has both an educational department and criminal department. 

An outsider may consider the criminal department inauspicious, but from the government’s point of view it is as important as the education department, and therefore the government finances both departments equally, without discrimination." (SB Canto 4 Ch 6 text 43 Purport)

Therefore Krsna has many different energies. Jiva is one, Matter is one, the consorts of the Lord are one.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are also in the category of sakti-tattva living entities who are part and parcel of the "energy" of Krsna, they are not material (matter)

There are different categories of "living" entities in the category of sakti-tattva expansions of Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: 

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva, 

2 - Viṣṇu-"śakti"-tattva,

3 - jīva-tattva, 

like that." (Lecture on SB Canto 6.2.7 - Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975)

Krsna who is compared to the Sun-disc and His variety of living entities above are compared to the sun-rays, only Krsna's Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva living entities are direct expansions of Krsna that are almost equal to Krsna. 

1 - Visnu-tattva (God) 

2 - Visnu-"sakti"-tattva (God in a playful role)

3 - Siva-tattva (A league of his own)

4 - Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls or marginal living entities with the quality of free will or independence) 

We are the jiva-soul expansions known as the "marginal living entities," while other living entities are more direct expansions of Krsna Himself called Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva expansions.

As said above, there are many categories of living entities in the spiritual world which includes the marginal living entities, Visnu-tattvas and expansions of the internal energy Radharani known as Visnu-"sakti"-tattva. 

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in the spiritual world are always marginal, whether they are in the spiritual worlds or material world Prabhupada explains, only the jiva-souls can fall down because the marginal potency is endowed with free will and a separate independent personality from Krsna's Personality. 

Where as the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva entities are not marginal, they are none different from Krsna.

Again Prabhupada explains- 

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways: Viṣṇu-tattva, "Viṣṇu "śakti" tattva", jīva-tattva, like that. (Lecture on SB Canto 6.2.7 - Vrndavana, Sept 10, 1975)

Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas IS the internal energy or potency of Kṛṣṇa headed by Srimati Radharani meaning they are not in the marginal category.

Then there is Siva-tattva who is neither jiva-tattva, Visnu-tattva or Visnu-"sakti"-tattva, Lord Siva is in a league of his own who has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 85.938% of His personal qualities.

The Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva expansions are Krsna in another role in His pastimes who have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities or 93.75% of Krsna’s personal qualities.

The jiva-souls are independent free thinking individual entities, having the unique quality of free will in the spiritual world, having their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality, who voluntarily express themselves in the way they choose to serve the Lord. The jiva-souls have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 78.125% of Krsna’s opulence. 

The majority of jiva-souls are perpetually situated in either Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and most, over 90%, never choose to fall to the material creation.

Where as the Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva Personalities are eternal inhabitants of Vrindavana who never fall down or choose to forget Krsna because they are Krsna playing a different role in Krsna's own eternal pastimes and affairs like Balarama and Radharani.

They are direct expansions of Krsna Himself and part and parcel of His internal energies or potency that are all direct and full expansions of Krsna.

For example, the Pancha-tattva are a combination of Visnu-"sakti"-tattva, Visnu-tattva, Siva-tattva and jiva-tattva Personalities with only one being jiva-tattva.

1 - Caitanya Mahaprabhu is Krsna Himself, The Supreme Person (Svayam Bhagavan).

2  - Nityananda is Krsna's first personal expansion Balarama

3 - Advaita Acharya is Visnu-tattva and the combined Personalities of Lord Visnu and Lord Siva (Harihara).

4 - Gadadhara is the combined power of Krsna's internal energy Srimati Radharani known as Visnu-"sakti"-tattva.  

5 - Srivasa (jiva-soul) is Krsna's perfected pure devotee and symbolizes the marginal living entities devotion to Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Śrī Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Śrī Gadādhara, and Śrīvāsādi. Śrīvāsādi means jīva-tattva. The jīva-tattva, śakti-tattva, viṣṇu-tattva, these are all tattvas. So Pañca-tattva. Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is the supreme tattva, Kṛṣṇa. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya, rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. We are worshipping Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combined." (Lecture on CC Adi-lila 7.5, Mayapur, March 7, 1974)

The correct understanding is that all the different categories of Krsna’s living and none-living energies are under the broad category of "sakti-tattva."

Sakti-tattva includes all living expansions of Krsna-

1 -Visnu-tattva,

2 -Visnu-"sakti"-tattva,

3 - Siva-tattva,

4 - Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) (marginal living entity or jiva-soul).

5 - Mahat-tattva, the lifeless material energy 

As said above, Visnu tattva (1) and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva (2) are direct expansions of Krsna playing different roles in His own pastimes. 

Where as Siva-tattva and jiva-tattva tattva are not Krsna (God). Siva has his own unique personality also separate from Krsna's Personality as do the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) also.

And as a reminder, each individual jiva-soul also have their own unique personality and character that is separate from Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "There are Viṣṇu-tattva, Jīva-tattva and Sakti-tattva. Viṣṇu-tattva is the Supreme Absolute Truth, jīva-tattva is part and parcel, and Sakti-tattva is the energy of God." (Lecture on SB Canto 1.5.15, New Vrindaban, west Virginia USA June 19, 1969)

As said above, all living entities in their different categories are the "sakti" (energy) of Krsna.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are minor independent expansions of Krsna endowed with their unique constitutional quality of free will.  

This means the individual jiva-souls have their own identity, individuality and personality that is separate from Krsna's Personality, that allows them to express themselves and serve Krsna in their own unique way.

The jiva-souls do not share Krsna's personality like the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva Forms do because the jiva-souls have their own unique independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality. 

As said above, this allows them to voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way to please Krsna.

Visnu-"sakti"-tattva expansions of Krsna are "constitutionally" "direct" expansions of Krsna and can never be covered by Maya because they are Krsna playing a role within His own pastimes.

Therefore, obviously the Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva expansions of Krsna are always direct expansions of Godhead (Krsna).

This is important to understand, and explains why Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas living entities can never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan.

Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are made up of many Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas and Visnu-tattvas all playing different roles, such as some of the gopis, gopas and many, many others there.

There are also unlimited jiva-souls also playing many different roles in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrndavana as well, as servants of the servants of Krsna and friend of the Lord.

Some roles in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are sometimes very difficult to know if the pastimes are played out by a Visnu-"sakti"-tattva, Visnu-tattva or jiva-souls.

As explained above, Visnu-tattvas ARE Krsna's direct stand-out expansions such as Balarama,  Narayana, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu,  Ramachandra, Narsinga deva etc, but there are other more intimate expansions too (Visnu-"sakti"-tattva) who maybe just simple cowherd boys (gopas), cowherd girls (gopis) or some seemingly ordinary inhabitants of Vṛndāvana.

The fact is, in Goloka Vrindavana, no one knows who is who, or who is jiva-soul, Visnu-"sakti"-tattva or Visnu-tattva, or even recognising Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, because everyone is playing a humble role and do not even care if Krsna is God or not.

The inhabitants in Vrindavana do not even know this little boy Krsna is the Supreme Lord, nor do they care.

As already explained, Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva expansions, can never fall down because they are Krsna playing another role in Krsna's own pastimes, and may not even outwardly show they are Visnu-tattva or Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas in the play they are in to please Krsna.

And yes, some Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas outwardly seems to forget they are Krsna's expansion in a particular role or pastime they are in to please Krsna. 

After all, Krsna can do anything He likes, He is not bound by even His own rules.

Krsna is the original Form of God from whom all His Visnu/Narayana (Visnu-tattva forms) and jiva-souls expand from, and that number is unlimited.

Like the Sun-disc and sun-rays exist simultaneously together, similarly, Krsna and the jiva-souls have eternally existed together and never had a beginning because there was no origin, or will there be an end to their existence.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity.” 

This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

Bhagavad Gita - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. (BG As It Is, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were never created. 

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

Bhagavad Gita - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed, the jiva-souls were never created because they have always existed.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

The only difference between Srimati Radharani and Krsna, and Lord Balarama and Krsna, is Lord Krsna IS the first original Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Krsna also has 4 more qualities than His Visnu-tattva expansions that is not always expressed by Radharani (Visnu-"sakti"-tattva) or Balarama (Visnu-tattva) yet both are none-different from Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Caitanya Caritamrita - "Krsna's eternal consort Srimati Radharani, He created by dividing Himself into two just so He could experience loving exchanges, intimacy and affection with a women." (CC introduction) 

Therefore Srimati Radharani is non-different from Krsna in every way, and being Krsna, can express Krsna's 64 qualities on certain occasions.

However, because they are not the original (first) form of God, then not even Srimati Radharani, Krsna's eternal consort, or Balarama, Krsna's older brother are fully equal to Krsna, He is the Supreme controller from who all others originate from.

Genuinely Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas do not have those 64 unique qualities in full like Krsna does.

They have only 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities as mentioned above, regardless of this, they are still none-different from Krsna.

Let's make this easy to understand that Krsna is the original Lord of all-

Lord Krsna has 64 qualities which is "exactly" 100% of those unique qualities.

1 - Visnu-tattva (Balarama, Visnu, Narayana, Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Paramatma, etc has 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 93.75%

2 - Visnu-"sakti"-tattva (internal energy of Radharani and Her associates) also has 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 93.75%

3 - Siva-tattva (Lord Siva and his expansions) has 55 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 85.938% of Krsna's qualities.

4 - Jiva-tattva (jiva-souls) have 50 of Krsna's 64 qualities which is 78.125% of Krsna’s qualities.

Also the jiva-souls who have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities, can never become Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattvas (93.75%) or Siva-tattva (85.938%)

Also the jiva-souls can never lose their separate individual independent identity or free either.

All the categories of living entities are "sakti-tattva" expansions of Krsna (being all His energy as said above) meaning they are simultaneously fully dependent on Krsna just like the sun-rays are constitutionally associated with the Sun-disc and depends on the Sun-disc for its existence.

The sun-rays have no meaning without the Sun-disc, and the sun-disc has no meaning without the sun-rays.

Similarly, as explained in "Nectar of Devotion" the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) mentioned above have no meaning without Krsna, and Krsna has no meaning without the jiva-souls.

Being part and parcel of the Lord, as explained above, the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) always have their individual identity, unique personality separate from Krsna's Personality, making them the independent free thinking individuals who can express themselves serving Krsna in their own unique way in a two-way exchange of loving devotion.

Srila Prabhupada - "The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kṛṣṇa the maintainer of all and cause of all causes. We are "separate and none separate" from Krsna simultaneously. There are many tattvas, such as viṣṇu-tattva, jīva-tattva and śakti-tattva, but above everything is the viṣṇu-tattva, which is all-pervading. This all-pervading feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is explained in Bhagavad-gītā (10.42), wherein the Lord says -

"But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe."

Thus Kṛṣṇa says that the entire material world is maintained by His partial representation as Paramātmā. 

In the material creation Maha-Visnu enters (expands into) every material universe (Brahmanda) as Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu and then expands Himself as Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu (Paramatma) to enter the hearts of all living entities and even enter the atoms.

Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham (Bs. 5.35). Every universe is full of atoms, and the Lord is not only within the universe but also within the atoms. Thus within every atom the Supreme Lord exists in His Viṣṇu feature as Paramātmā, but all the viṣṇu-tattvas emanate from Kṛṣṇa. 

As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (10.2) - aham ādir hi devānām Kṛṣṇa is the ādi, or beginning, of the devas of this material world—Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara. Therefore He is described here as bhagavate bṛhate." (SB Canto 8 Ch 3 text 17)

Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana have so many different expansions of Krsna (Visnu-tattva Personalities) playing many different roles that it is mind boggling.

The jiva-souls can also voluntarily choose to play the different roles of a gopa (cowherd boy) or gopi (cowherd girl) too just like a Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva can also do. 

However, the jiva-souls can never become God or personalities like Siva but in time can become a Brahma.

They can never be Visnu-"sakti"-tattva or Visnu-tattva because these Personalities are Krsna Himself expanding as multiple personalities playing different roles in His own pastimes.

The jiva-souls can always voluntarily make their own choices of how they want to serve the Lord in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan, or even not serve Him if they choose but they can never become God (Visnu-tattva) or Siva (Siva-tattva) but can in due course becomes a Lord Brahma because he is also jiva-soul.  

Srila Prabhupada - "In the spiritual world the relationship one has with Krsna is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he become flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4, Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)

The individual jiva-souĺs are constitutionally endowed with free will, this means they can also reject Krsna at any time as Prabhupada has explained.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada  - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada - Rene Descartes and devotees)

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving exchanges  and reciprocation is only possible in a "two-way" exchange between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are TWO involved, not one!

This also means the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" does truly exist.

The jiva-souls are qualified to play other roles including Brahma in the material creation but can never be Visnu or Siva as previously explained.

The jiva-souls, unlike Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattvas Personalities, can 'choose' to forget Krsna if they desire and therefore enter the material creation of Maha-Visnu in ignorance and foolishly think they are an independent god.

Maha-Visnu, Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Brahma create and manage the material creation on behalf of Krsna as His expansions.

The jiva-souls eternal constitution position and eternal spiritual form is expressed fully in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, situated in the "eternal presence" of the spiritual world beyond the the mundane flow of past, present and future in the material creation.

Our relationship with Krsna is voluntary, and therefore we can be what ever we desire it to be serving Krsna. 

In other words, what ever bodily appearance we have in Goloka Vrindavana, we can change, from a flower, to a Cow, to a bird, or have a human form, or four armed form on the Vaikuntha planets. 

Every service in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana is always voluntary for the jiva-souls. 

We just have to wake up from this temporary material dream and return back home back to Godhead, our real home and see for ourselves.

All jiva-souls have the "free will" to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime if they choose.

It says in Bhagavad Gita that once reaching Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, the jiva-soul never again returns to the material creation.

However, Prabhupada was asked about this and if the jiva-souls can leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana if they choose to do so and Prabhupada said "yes" they can if they choose to do so otherwise having free will is meaningless.

The reason why, Prabhupada explains, is the jiva-souls have their "free will" eternally, meaning ultimately it is their choice to stay or go.

This further means not even Krsna's promise of the jiva-souls never again falling down can be enforced by Krsna because of free will.

This is important understanding because sadly many great scholars and devotees cannot understand "free will" as explained here by Srila Prabhupada-

Acyutananda – "In the Bhagavad Gita it says, “Once coming to the spiritual world, the jiva-soul never returns to the material world. He can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return, that is voluntary."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Paramahamsa - "But ultimately if we come to Krsna, there’s no return."

Srila Prabhupada - "There is return, that is voluntary. Return there is."

Paramahamsa - "If we want."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - "So we can come to the spiritual world and return to the material world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes."

Paramahamsa - “Fall down?”

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, as soon as we try, “Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes, Krsna says, yes, you go. Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Krsna is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." Just like one goes to the prison house, not that government welcomes, "Come on. We have got prison house. Come here, come here." He goes out of his free will; again comes out, again goes. Like that. Therefore, mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te: "Anyone who surrenders unto Me, maya does not interfere anymore."

Paramahamsa - "So our desire to enjoy, we achieve these bodies; and our desire to achieve Krsna brings us to our natural position."

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, even in the Vaikuntha, if I desire that ‘Why shall I serve Krsna? Why not become Krsna?’ I immediately fall down. That is natural. A servant is serving the master, but sometimes he may think that, “If I could become the master.” They are thinking like that; they are trying to become God. That is delusion. You cannot become God. That is not possible. But he’s wrongly thinking."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna protect us from that desire?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He’s protecting. He says, "You rascal, don’t desire. Surrender unto Me." But you are rascal; you do not do this."

Vipina Purandara - "Why doesn’t Krsna save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy and demand you love me, you love me, you love me, is that love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you! Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

Misusing one's free will is the cause of the jiva-souls choice live separately from Krsna and enter the material creation.

And this choice has nothing to do with Maya or material energy. As Prabhupada has explained, it is one's free will that allows the jiva-souls to reject Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the jiva-soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "The relationship with Krsna is never lost, it is simply forgotten by the influence of maya, so it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original or constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsna Loka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned, when one remembers Krsna he is liberated." (Letter to Mukunda dasa, June 10, 1969)

Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains as follows. 

That "choice" to stay or go is also the jiva souls choice too because of "free will", it is not just a "one way"  dictatorial decision made by Krsna. 

No, real loving exchanges and relationships can only exist on a "two-way" street, and that is only possible when there is "free will."

So this means one can also use their "free will" to reject Krsna if they choose, that choice has to be there Prabhupada explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "Unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

A devotee once ask Srila Bhaktisiddhanta why was the jiva-soul granted free will when they could also misuse it?

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati answered- 

"You are fighting for freedom. Don’t you know the value of having free will? Devoid of freedom the soul is only matter."

Freedom (free will) offers one the alternative to do either right or wrong Gandhi once told the British authorities.

"We want our freedom too."

The British authorities replied-

"You are not fit to have self-government or your freedom. When you are fit, we shall give it to you."

Gandhi replied,

“We want the freedom to do wrong too.”

So, freedom does not guarantee only acting in the right way; and that choice must be there to do wrong too.

Freedom means being able to choose "right or wrong."

The possibility of also rejecting Krsna must always be there even in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because of free will.

And this is always the case.

Our first choice after rejecting Krsna in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, is to dominate and imitate Krsna, therefore it is that choice that causes the jiva-soul to enter the material world of domination.

And such choices have nothing to do with the influence of Maya or the material energy that does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana  it is simply free will that is the cause of fall down.

As a result of "free will," everything else in the material creation has developed.

Srila Prabhupada has explained  the "original position" of the jiva-soul is with Krsna in a voluntary relationship of loving exchanges.

As explained above, Maya can never be blamed for the fall down of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana because Maya, as the personification of material energy, does not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

But "free will" does exist there and has always existed in the spiritual worlds.

The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are always the marginal potency whether in Vaikuntha, Goloka-Vrindavana or the material creation.

Therefore the jiva-souls have their free will "fully" in the spiritual planets.

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

For loving exchanges to truly exist with Krsna, the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) must have the right to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana at anytime if they choose, therefore returning to Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara - Henri Bergson)

For those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana have not understood these clear points explained by Prabhupada.

In Bhagavad Gita As It Is Krsna promises the jiva-souls they will never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to the material creation, and yes, Krsna will always keeps His promise!

Therefore Krsna's promise of never falling down to the material creation once there, is from Krsna's point of view, however do the jiva-souls have to accept Krsna's promise as final?

In other words, does this mean the jiva-souls have no "free will" in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana?

And therefore have no choice to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana even if they want to leave?

The fact is, Krsna's promise of never falling down to the material creation once there in Vaikuntha, is from Krsna's point of view and His promise, however, does the jiva-souls also have to accept His promise as final?

In other words, does this mean the jiva-souls have no "free will" to "choose" to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, even if they want to leave?

There must be choice otherwise there is no question of loving voluntary exchanges that contribute to a relationship.

Krsna's promise, confirmed by many Vaisnavas who agree that once reaching Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, the jiva-soul will never again fall down to the material world, is true for almost every jiva-souls, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM!

Those who quote Krsna's promise from Bhagavad Gita are right for the majority of jiva-souls, which is over 90% in the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana because they have "chosen" not to fall down and leave the spiritual planets and enter the material creation.

In other words, they choose to NOT misuse their "free will".

However, as Prabhupada explains, not all jiva-souls make that choice to stay, less than 10% do misuse their free will and fall down (reject Krsna).

And at the same time there are jiva souls returning back home back to Godhead from the material creation continuously.

The fact is, as part of their perpetual constitution, each individual jiva-soul is endowed with their own "free will" that allows independent thinking. 

This also further explains why it is the jiva soul's choice to stay or leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, and not just Krsna making decisions for them.

In other words, Krsna's promise is not binding or absolute law with the living entities (jiva-souls) because they have their own independent "free will" too that allows them to make their own choices.

Srila Prabhupada explains Krsna's promise and gives the proper explanation in full, saying only a small minority of jiva-souls choose to be rebellious and leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, and as already explained, Prabhupada puts that figure at less than 10%.

Dr. John Mize – "Did all the souls that were in the spiritual sky fall out of the spiritual sky at once or at different times, or are there any souls that are always good, they’re not foolish, they don’t fall down?"

Srila Prabhupada – "No, there are majority, 90%, they are always good. They never fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "So we’re among the 10%."

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, or less than that. In the material, whole material world all the living entities they are… Just like in the prison house, there is some population, but they are not majority. The majority of the population, they are outside the prison house. Similarly, majority of living being, part and parcel of God, they are in the spiritual world. Only a few fall down."

Dr. John Mize – "Does Krsna know ahead of time that a soul is going to be foolish and fall?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Krsna? Yes, Krsna may know because He is omniscient."

Dr. John Mize – "Are more souls falling all the time?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Not all the time. But there is the tendency of fall down, not for all, but because there is independence. Everyone is not liking to misuse the independence. The same example: Just like a government constructing a city and constructs also prison house because the government knows that somebody will be criminal. So their shelter must be also constructed. It is very easy to understand. Not that cent percent population will be criminal, but government knows that some of them will be. Otherwise why they construct prison house also? One may say, “Where is the criminal? You are constructing…” Government knows, there will be criminal. So if the ordinary government can know, why God cannot know? Because there is tendency."

Dr. John Mize – "The origin of that tendency (to fall from Goloka) is?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Tendency means the independence. So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says,yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (BG, As It Is, lecture, Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Many also do not understand the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana of whom many never fall down, only a very small minority in the category of jiva-souls choose to fall down (less than 10%) while the majority of jiva-souls (over 90%) choose to stay also because of their "free will".

The majority of jiva-souls do not even know the material creation exists nor cares.

However, there are other categories of living entities who never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana

The fact is, there are many different inhabitants of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana too who are not only jiva-souls.

They never fall down by choice because they are more direct expansions of Krsna, known as Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas who are an expansion of Krsna's Personality playing another role in His own pastimes.

Many inhabitants in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana are Visnu-tattva and Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and not just jiva-tattva souls.

Therefore they never fall down because they are an expansion of Krsna's Personality, unlike the jiva-tattva souls who each have their own independent personality.

The Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-"sakti"-tattvas are Krsna's eternal associates that are His own direct expansions experiencing Himself in unlimited different ways.

Prabhupada has also explained that because the jiva-souls have their independence, there will always be a very small minority of only the jiva-souls, less than 10% (not the Visnu-"sakti"-tattva or Visnu-tattva) who misuse their free will and "choose" to leave the spiritual world.

Free will for the jiva-souls is eternal in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan because without the freedom to be able to choose for themselves to forget or remember Krsna, then the jiva-souls would have no free will, individuality or independent personality, which means having no ability to give or receive love.

The jiva-soul would simply be mindless pawns of ''yes men and woman'' like mechanical drones in a factory, or like a dead stone Prabhupada has told us.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice, yes, Kṛṣṇa says, yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture on SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on SB Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)..*^^*.