Sunday, February 5, 2023

Is our free will also under Krsna's control?

The paradox of free will is the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) can always express their own unique independence and individuality, even though Krsna is ALWAYS the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and not a blade of grass moves without His will or sanction, as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

Srila Prabhupada - "As we generally say, not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Thus everything is moving under His will: by His will everything is being created, everything is being maintained, and everything is being annihilated." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "So, from the Vedic literature we can find evidence that this material manifestation, which appears to us to be very wonderful and great, is under the complete control of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

In most cases, Krsna will always sanction free will that allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily choose for themselves how to serve Krsna, because without free will the jiva-souls could never participate in a "two-way" relationship with Krsna.

It is important to first understand that the individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna or do anything without His sanction. 

However, even though they can never be independent from Krsna's energies, they can still express themselves separate from Krsna's Personality because each jiva-soul has their own unique independent personality that Krsna allows to create diversity and voluntary individual expression among the jiva-souls.

In other words, the paradox is the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) can always express their own unique independence and individuality even though Krsna is the Supreme Controller, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, and as said above, not a blade of grass moves without Krsna's will.

Krsna provides free will for the purpose of encouraging personal contributions expressed in a "two-way" loving exchange, where the jiva-souls are able to voluntary offer to Krsna their own personal singular offerings, separate from Krsna's influence, if they choose.

In the spiritual world's of Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, loving devotional service is never a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, real love or service is always voluntary expressed in reciprocal "two-way" exchanges in God's (Krsna) Kingdom.

Voluntary reciprocal association in the Kingdom of God serving Krsna, can only be expressed in a genuine loving way when there are "two" involved in loving exchanges nurtured and encouraged by Krsna.

In Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, personal voluntary expressions involving loving exchanges, can only be expressed due to the jiva-souls having free will.

Such free will is always encouraged by Krsna in His relationship with the jiva-souls, which adds flavour, variety and mystery to the relationship between the jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa.

This means the Kingdom of God is not a one-sided dominating impersonal stagnant domain devoid of free will that does not allow personal contributions or offerings to God (Krsna), meant to expand, enrich and flavour the relationship.

As said above, love or service is not a "one-sided" affiliate of total supremacy or preeminence, it is always a two-way exchange.

The fact is genuine loving relations and service are based on voluntary reciprocal exhanges and contributions between two, not just one!

The individual jiva-souĺs have their choices too, even if that choice means rejecting Krsna! Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-sided" affair.

In other words, loving reciprocation is only possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

The word "reciprocation" only has meaning when there are two involved, not one!

This also means the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which in a sense proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will." (Philosophy Discussions with Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force." (Mayapur, June 20, 1973)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity," and is the foundation for all jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna, that allows them to voluntarily contribute to their relationship with Him in their own way.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB,  Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become flower, voluntarily, and he can change from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1.1-4, Melbourne, May 20, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is free will. He misuses his, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk about Rene Descartes)

Srila Prabhupāda – ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) can never exist independently from Krsna even though they can express their own independent free will that Krsna provides separately for the purpose of allowing "two-way" voluntary exchanges of loving expressions and encouraging unique (individual contributions) personal offerings.

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes, if we properly understand this, then we will understand the following discussion that everything comes from Krsna including free will-

Swedish man - "Is there free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together."

Syamasundara dasa - "How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably."

Syamasundara dasa - "And is Paramatma a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, every expansion is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is the individual jiva-soul also a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, if he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but He is the supreme individual person."

Syamasundara dasa - "So even within material atoms, there is a spiritual life, a spiritual force?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, force means spiritual force."

Syamasundara dasa - "But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition."

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual soul's force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms.

The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Krsna is within every atom, and therefore Krsna wants whatever is to be. Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever.

Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna."

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No (not without the sanction of Krsna) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence."

Srila Prabhupada - "We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna first, including free will because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. Nothing happens without the sanction of Krsna.

However, Krsna will always sanction free will which is the ability choose for yourself based on self expression, regardless of what is said above because without free will, the jiva-souls could never voluntary contribute in their own individual way to their relationship with Kṛṣṇa. 

This is why real love can only exist in a healthy relationship when there is a "two-way" exchange.

Otherwise, we are no better than dead stone or mindless puppets under the manipulative control of a puppeteer impersonal God.

If Krsna denies the jiva-souls their free will and having their own independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality, then His Kingdom is loveless, useless and impersonal! 

Above, Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa is simply making the point that everything is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us-

Srila Prabhupada - "Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord." (BG, Ch 9 text 6 Purport)

In other words, the jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it, so they can experience a voluntary contributioning relationship with Krsna.

On the other hand, without free will in the spiritual worlds would only make Vaikuntha an impersonal emotionally stagnant lifeless place like dead stone!

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

All the individual personal contributions from the jiva-souls are forever expanding their unique ability of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana.

This allows them to always make voluntary offerings to Krsna that forever increase and expand loving emotions in healthy "two-way" exchanges between Kṛṣṇa and the individual jīva-souls.

It is very important to understand that the individual jiva-souls are eternal "persons" with their own unique individual feelings of self expression existing always in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.

It must be clearly understood for love to truly exist, each jiva-soul must have their free will to make their own choices, even if it means leaving Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of genuine love or service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality or attribute of free will is part of the jiva-soul's marginal constitutional nature, as an independent free thinking part and parcels expansion of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will loving exchanges and reciprocation can never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds.

This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha Planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want.

Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges.

The choice to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so otherwise whst is the point of having free will?

On the other hand in the mundane temporary material creation, so many terrible things are constantly happening and taken for granted due to ignorance.

Like the unnatural painful cycle of birth, disease, old age and death the jiva-souls experience while covered by a material bodily vessel they foolishly take for granted and believe is them.

Therefore frustration in the constantly changing material creation will always be experienced by those jiva-souls (marginal living entities) who foolishly choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, and enter the material creation.

This is because the material creation is always in a constant progressive state of decay, decline, in need of constant maintenance and forgetfulness.

Therefore, the jiva-soul's material bodily vessel (covering) always wears out, breaks down and decays and eventually dies, forcing the jiva-soul to vacate that decomposing bodily vessel and take a new one within the womb of a new mother.

Actually, getting the human form of life is extemely rare, in most cases the jiva-soul takes birth in the animal, aquatic, bird and insect species, and must again "evolve" to the human form of life to get another chance of getting out of this temporary material world of repeated birth and death.

The "jiva-soul" covered by the material temporary decaying bodily vessels, is eternal and therefore is never subjected to the decay, impermanence and the decline of  the material energy as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have existed for "infinity" which means, just like Krsna, they are beginningless and endless, and were NEVER created.

So, there is no such thing as new jiva-souls being created because they have always been and were NEVER created as Bhagavad Gita As It is explains -

Bhagavad Gita As It Is  - "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG, Ch 2 Text 12)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is  - "For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG, Ch 2 text 20 "correct" edition)

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Only matter is temporary (like the material bodily vessel the jiva-soul is presently in), while the jiva-souls in the material body are eternal and can NEVER cease to exist.

This means when the material vessels the jiva-soul is in, breaks down due to disease, decay or accidents, and ceases to function, also due to old age, the jiva-soul can no longer remain in that broken material body, and is forced to take another body in the womb of a new mother.

However, the jiva-souls contained in a "subtle material body", are forced to continuously change "gross material bodies" because of the temporary nature of the material creation.

The suffering of the individual jiva-soul within this temporary material nature, does not happen because of Krsna, He is not responsible for the jiva-soul's choices.

No, Krsna is not responsible for the suffering of the individual jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the material creation, even though the massive Brahmanda material universes are Krsna's creation, built by His expansion Maha-Visnu.

The suffering in the material creation happens because at one point in the spiritual worlds, the individual jiva-soul has "chosen" to misuse their "free will", given to them by Krsna for the purpose of allowing voluntary diversity meant to encourage individual offerings and loving exchanges.

Therefore, as a result of mistakingly misusing their free will, the jiva-soul is forced by their own actions, to enter the temporary material creation and become entangled in the repeated cycle of birth and death.

The spherical material universal shells coming from Maha-Visnu, are called Brahmandas.

Deep inside each massive Brahmanda spherical shell (universe) is a secondary universe created by Garbhodakashayi Visnu, who is an expansion of Maha-Visnu.

From Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Brahma is born who builds the many planetary systems within the inner material universe inside the Brahmanda as painting below reveals.

Krsna will never interfere with the individual jiva-soul's free will because if he did, the jiva-souls would have no independent sense of self, or abilities to accept and experience genuine loving exchanges and service.

Without having that independent sense of individual uniqueness, or having the personal individual desires that allows one to "choose" for themselves how to voluntary serve Kṛṣṇa as a unique person, then how is genuine love "between two" possible?

Being involved in loving exchanges of service between Krsna and the jiva-souls, based on loving reciprocation, then there can be no question of genuine respect ful love.

These are the characteristics that make the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) the individual "persons" they are eternally, and Krsna the Supreme individual person who cannot exist without His loving devotees.

Loving exchanges or service in the spiritual worlds are never a "one-way street," love can only exist when "two" are exchanging loving service to each other.

Only then when there is loving reciprocation and exchanges of good feelings between Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, does love exist.

Only when "two" are voluntarily involved in reciprocating with each other can love exist.

In this way, real love or service is always based on a "two-way exchange of feelings."

In fact Krsna serves His devotees far more than they can ever serve Him, Krsna is always serving His devotees.

Often the great experience of Krsna consciousness is felt in separation from Kṛṣṇa as the gopis often experienced.

Krsna is never cruel to His devotees, such love felt in separation from Krsna is understood by advanced devotees as the highest love for Kṛṣṇa.  

As also said above, being able to offer individual contributions to Krsna or Visnu will enhance, increase, expand and perpetually uplift the relationship between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

This can only exist if the jiva-souls are allowed to express their own independent individuality and unique free will without interference (forced surrender) from Krsna.

Although there is a different selfless standard on the level of the gopis, as said above their greatest intense love for Kṛṣṇa is experienced in separation.

Srila Bhaktivenode Thakura also prays in the same way as the gopis feeling intense separation from Kṛṣṇa.

Others rightly claim also if Krsna did force His will on the jiva-souls then there can never be genuine loving exchanges because denying free will is also denying the jiva-souls to voluntary contribute their own choices of service.

I always try to remember that the love the gopis and Radharani have for Kṛṣṇa, is way above our understanding, they are in a league of their own very few can understand.

Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are "two persons", where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things MUST be there." (Evening Darsana, Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity," and the foundation for all jiva-soul's contributing relationship with Krsna .

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

In the spiritual world or kingdom of God (Goloka-Vrindavana), loving service can never be a "one-way or one-sided" affair, no, real love or service is always an exchange of voluntary loving exchanges between two in a two-way relationship.

Surrendering one's "free will" to Krsna so He can have completely control over your every thoughts and actions is spiritual suicide. Without "free will" the jiva-souls are no better than dead stone.

In other words, trying to extinguish your individuality by allowing Krsna to do all your thinking and actions for you, is dangerous impersonalism.

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, on the point of revolver. "You love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love." (July 8, 1976 Washington, D.C United States)

As said above, such impersonalism that demands one should be just like a mindless puppet in the hands of the puppet master, where the puppeteer  controls his mindless puppets by moving the strings has no sense of life, freedom or independence, similarly if Krsna had full control over the individual jiva-soul's ability to make their own choices, it would deny the jiva-souls from experiencing their own personal sense of being independent and being able to make their own decisions, choices and personal unique contributions.

Sadly this type of bogus surrender, where immature religious leaders demanded you "surrender" your free will and let Krsna flow through you and do all your thinking for you, was once a serious problem in many religious cults when trying to understand what "real" surrender to Krsna (God) really is.

This kind of mindless surrender, denying who you really are as a person is actually impersonalism.

The fact is, if Krsna had full dictatorial control over the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, then that one-sided relationship is only empty impersonalism, slaverly and devoid of real love.

Only a fool would want to be Krsna's mindles slave by attempting to extinguish their individuality, free will, voluntary service and independence thoughts that makes them the individual person they are, who can choose to contribute in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa.

Such a nonsense "one-sided" dictatorial relationship in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, would simply make the jiva-souls no better than mindless lifeless dead stone Prabhupada has warned, just like a lifeless puppet controlled by strings!

Therefore the jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, always have their own independent free will that is part and parcel of their unique individual marginal identity (as jiva-soul)

This freedom of having free will, allows the jiva-souls to each make their own unique personal offerings and voluntary contributions to Visnu or Krsna, where each jiva-soul can offer or serve Krsna in their own unique personal way.

In other words, each individual jiva-soul has their own special unique (personal) association and relationship with Krsna that no other jiva-soul has like theres.

These loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" character  building exchange between Krsna and the jiva-souls.

However, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have entered the material creation have previously chosen to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu in Vaikuntha or Krsna in Goloka Vrindavana.

So why then does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan if they choose?

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?"

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy, you love me, you love me, you love me." Is it love? "You love me, otherwise I will kill you!" Is that love? 

"So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver, you love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)*^×^*


 






Friday, February 3, 2023

Among Srimati Radharani's innumerable transcendental attributes, She has twenty-five principal qualities.

1) Radharani is very sweet and most charming to look at;

2) Radha is adolescent and always freshly youthful;

3) Radhika’s eyes are doe-like and restless;

4) Sri Radha’s face is smiling and every blissful’

5) Auspicious, beautiful lines adorn Sri Radha’s lotus hands and feet;

6) Radharani maddens Krishna with Her fragrant bodily aroma;

7) Srimati Radharani is the most exceptional singer and vina player;

8) Radha’s words are charming and pleasing;

9) Radha is expert at telling jokes that delight Krsna;

10) Srimati Radhika is exceptionally humble;

11) Radha is the embodiment of mercy and compassion;

12) Sri Radha’s intelligence and wit surpasses all;

13) Radharani is expert at performing all activities of love:

14) Shyness is the shining gem in Radha’s character’

15) Srimati Radharani isn't the vthe beacon light of modesty and never swerves from the path of honesty;

16) radha is never perturbed by worldly sorrow or misery;

17) Sri radha has unbounded gravity and sublimity;

18) Radhika is ever fascinated to unite Herself with Krsna;

19) Radha possesses Mahabhava, the highest sentiments of love;

20) Radharani is the reservoir of loving affairs in Gokula;

21) Radha’s transcendental glories are shining in all the worlds;

22) Sri Radha is most affectionate to her superiors;

23) Radhika is submissive to the love of Her senior girlfriends;

24) Radharani is the chief among Krsna's gopi lovers;

25) Radha always keeps Sri Krsna under Her control. Krsna submissively obeys Radha’s command.

Srimati Radharani always keeps Her hand on the shoulders of Her friends and always talks and thinks of the pastimes of Krsna. 

Radharani forever offers Krsna a kind of intoxication by Her sweet talks. Sri radha supplies all the demands of Krsna, and Radharani possesses unique and uncommon qualities meant for Krsna’s satisfaction. 

Srimati Radhika is able to fulfill all the desires of Krsna. No one else can do so. 

Radha is so expert in all affairs that the damsels of Vraja come to learn the arts from her." (TLC Ch 31)

When Krsna wanted to experience loving emotions, affection and exchanges with a women, He knew such love could never happen with just "one", or Him alone, so Krsna divided Himself into two, Radha and Krsna, just so He could experience those loving exchanges.

However, Krsna is ALWAYS complete as Himself and therefore, NEVER alone, this is because Krsna is personally "two," manifesting as "two different bodies," Srimati Radharani and Krsna, and then expanding as unlimited Visnu-tattva personalities beginning with Balarāma.

Caitanya Caritamrta - "Just as the fountainhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa, is the cause of all incarnations, so Śrī Rādhā is the cause of all these consorts." (CC Adi 4.76, Translation)

When Radha and Krsna unite in "one" body, that is Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Krsna is always enjoying in Vrindavana with His consort Srimati Radharani, who Krsna created by dividing Himself into two, just so He could experience loving intimate exchanges with a women.

Krsna is never alone because He is "fully complete" as Himself due to always enjoying with His internal potency led by the personification of the internal energy, Srimati Radharani.

Krsna also expands Himself as His Visnu-tattva expansions, who are the unlimited Visnu/Narayana Forms of God who each have their own perpetual Vaikuntha planet that take up 3/4 of the Spiritual Sky.

Krsna also expands as Karanarnavasayi Visnu (Maha-Visnu), Garbhodakashayi Visnu and Ksirodakasayi Visnu (Paramatma) to maintain the material creation.

For material creation, Lord Krsna's plenary expansion assumes three Visnus as said above.

The first is Karanarnavasayi Visnu (Mahā-Viṣṇu) who creates the total material energy known as the mahat-tattva.

The second is Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu who enters deep into all the massive Brahmanda universes and creates an inner secondary smaller material universe.

The third is Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu, who is the all-pervading super-soul accompanying each marginal living entity (jiva-soul) within each inner material universe existing deep inside each Brahmanda universal covering. Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu is in the heart of every marginal living entity (jiva-soul) and is known as Paramātmā.

He is present even within the atoms. The goal of life is to know Kṛṣṇa, who is situated within the heart of every living being as Paramātmā, the four-handed Viṣṇu form.

In Srimad Bhagavatam explains as follows-

"Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu (Maha Visnu) is the first incarnation of the Supreme Lord, and He is the master of eternal time, space, cause and effects, mind, the elements, the material ego, the modes of nature, the senses, the universal form of the Lord.

Garbhodhakaśāyī Viṣṇu is an expansion of Mahā-Viṣṇu who expands from Nārāyaṇa/Visnu in Vaikuṇṭha.

Garbhodhakaśāyī Visnu is the form of Pradyumna within the material universe. He is the father of Brahmā who appeared from His navel.

Garbhodakashayi Visnu is also called Hiraņyagarbha.

Each Form has a different role in the maintenance of the temporary material universes, known as Brahmanda universes, billions of them that take up 1/4 of the Spiritual Sky.

Inside each massive Brahmanda universe exists a second universe with Garbhodakashayi Visnu, Lord Brahma, millions of demigods and the planetary systems exist (our universe has 14 planetary systems but is considered small compared to others)

There are also other expansions of Krsna who are NOT Visnu-tattva, like Siva-tattva (Lord Siva), and jiva-tattva, (jiva-souls who are the independent separate "marginal" living entities) 

The "marginal living entities" have their own free will and independence in Goloka Vrindavana that allows them to voluntarily choose for themselves how to serve Krsna, or even reject Him if they choose. 

Marginal potency also means the presence of "free will." 

There are many varieties of living entities in the Spiritual Sky and manifest in different categories of Krsna's energies but can NEVER be separated from Krsna.

They are Viṣṇu-tattva, Sakti-Visnu-tattva, Siva-tattva and the marginal living entities (jiva-tattva souls) 

Just like the Sun-disc can never be separated from the sun-rays similarly, Krsna is never without the various grades of living entities mentioned above.

Krsna is never alone due to everything being completely situated within Him.

Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes. 

The "cause of all causes" is significant here - meaning EVERYTHING is in Krsna.

Kṛṣṇa is simultaneously an independent Person from all the variety of different expansions.

This is Krsna's unlimited potential.

He is the Supreme controller, fully satisfied in Himself because everything is in Him and everything is part and parcel of Him. Therefore Krsna can NEVER be alone.

This should be properly understood so one can know why Krsna can never be alone.  

Krsna is the Supreme Lord as His own individual bodily (vigraha) Form, yet simultaneously all living entities depend on Krsna and His energies for their existence just like the sun-rays depend on the presence of Sun-disc to exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "It is said: vṛndāvanaṁ parityajya padam ekaṁ na gacchati.

In one sense, Kṛṣṇa, the original Personality of Godhead (īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac cid ānanda vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]), does not even take one step away from Vṛndāvana. However, in order to take care of various duties, Kṛṣṇa had to leave Vṛndāvana.

He had to go to Mathurā to kill Kaṁsa, and then He was taken by His father to Dvārakā, where He was busy with state affairs and disturbances created by demons. 

Kṛṣṇa was away from Vṛndāvana, and He was not at all happy, as He plainly disclosed to Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī. 

She is the dearmost life and soul of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and He expressed His mind to Her as follows." (CC Madhya 13.149, Translation and Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "Distinguishing between pure devotees and internal or confidential devotees, Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, in his book Upadeśāmṛta, traces the following gradual process of development.

Out of many thousands of karmīs, one is better when he is situated in perfect Vedic knowledge. Out of many such learned scholars and philosophers, one who is actually liberated from material bondage is better, and out of many such persons who are actually liberated, one who is a devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is considered to be the best.

Among the many such transcendental lovers of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrīmatī Rādhikā is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, and similarly Her ponds, namely, Śyāma-kuṇḍa and Rādhā-kuṇḍa, are also very dear to the Supreme Personality of Godhead." (CC Adi 7.18-19, Purport).××.









Wednesday, February 1, 2023

What is Visnu-sakti-tattva?

"Sakti" means the energies of Kṛṣṇa and includes all the different categories of living entities.

The Visnu-"sakti"-tattva category of Krsna's "sakti energy" are actually Viṣṇu-tattva personalities headed by Radharani, the personification of Krsna's internal energy.

Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways-

1 - Viṣṇu-tattva,

2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva

3 - jīva-tattva, like that." (SB Canto 6 Ch 2 text 7, Vrndavana, Sep 10, 1975)

The Visnu-"sakti"-tattva and Visnu-tattva Personalities are the eternal inhabitants of Vrindavana and never fall down because they ARE Krsna playing a different role in His own eternal pastimes, they are direct personal expansions of Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Śrī Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Śrī Gadādhara, and Śrīvāsādi. Śrīvāsādi means jīva-tattva. The jīva-tattva, śakti-tattva, viṣṇu-tattva, these are all tattvas. So Pañca-tattva. Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is the supreme tattva, Kṛṣṇa. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya, rādhā-kṛṣṇa nahe anya. We are worshipping Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa combined." (CC Adi-lila 7.5, Mayapur, March 7, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Kṛṣṇa expands Himself into various Viṣṇu-tattva forms, and Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī expands Herself into various śakti-tattva forms (both expansions are NOT jiva-tattva or jiva-souls), by Her internal potency, as multiforms of the goddess of fortune." (Krsna Book 52)

"Sakti" here refers to Radharani and Her expansions, but also has other meanings too.

Sakti also refers to ALL the energies of Kṛṣṇa, everything is His sakti just like the sunshine is the sun-rays coming from the Sun-disc.

Therefore, sakti-tattva is Visnu-tattva, Visnu-sakti-tattva, jiva-tattva, Siva-tattva and mahat-tattva (the material creation) 

Srila Prabhupada - ''There are Viṣṇu-tattva, jīva-tattva and sakti-tattva. Viṣṇu-tattva is the Supreme Absolute Truth, jīva-tattva is part and parcel, and sakti-tattva is the energy of God." (SB Canto 1 Ch 5 text 15, New Vrindaban, June 19, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Lord is one without a second, and He expands Himself into many for His transcendental pleasure. All the expansions—the Viṣṇu-tattvas, the jīva-tattvas and the śakti-tattvas (the Personalities of Godhead, the living entities and the different potential energies)—are different offshoots from the same one Supreme Lord." (SB Canto 3 Ch 5 text 51 Purport)

The jīva-tattvas (jiva-souls) are separate expansions of Krsna with their own personality separate from Krsna's Personality, while the viṣṇu-tattvas ARE direct expansions of Krsna's Personality.

Even though there are potential differences between them, they are all meant for the transcendental sense gratification of the Supreme Lord.

But sadly, some of the jīva-souls want to lord it over material nature in imitation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

However, as said above, both Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva are NOT jiva-souls, they are Krsna Himself playing a different role in His own pastimes.

In actual fact, the jiva-souls have their independence different from those who are direct personal expansions of Krsna (Visnu-tattva). 

The individual jiva-souls (marginal living entities) are separate "persons" in the Spiritual world, who "choose" to "voluntarily" serve Krsna in an unlimited variety of ways based on their free will.

The constitutional position of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are part and parcels of Krsna, voluntarily being His eternal loving servants in their original eternal position.

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (known as Visnu-tattva, where the Lord Himself plays a different role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Krsna are called vibhinnāṁśa - (jiva-souls endowed with independence and free will) like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)

The jiva-souls are a spiritual bodily form that "originally" look like Krsna's two-armed bodily form in the spiritual world, and have their own unique personality separate from the Krsna's Personality.

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; then they become flower there, they lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna as a flower voluntarily, but he can change his form from flower to human body if one wants. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

As said above, the original eternal form of the marginal living entity (jiva-soul) is a "two-arm form" like Krsnas (that the human species also have

Further more, the jiva-souls in Goloka-Vrindavana can choose to enter the Vaikuntha planets where they manifest from their "two-armed form" to a "four armed form" similar to Visnu/Luxmi's bodily forms.^**.






Monday, January 30, 2023

There are five relationships the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have with Krsna.

A devotee has a relationship with Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, in five different ways-

1. One may be a devotee in a passive state;

2. One may be a devotee in an active state;

3. One may be a devotee as a friend;

4. One may be a devotee as a parent;

5. One may be a devotee as a conjugal lover.

A "PASSIVE" relationship (number one in above list) with Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana is an almost inactive position the jiva-souls can voluntarily choose according to their "free will", such as -

A cloud in the sky,

The sky, 

A blade of grass, 

A tree,

A rock or stone,

A fence,

A chair or bench,

A roadway, 

A chariot, 

A cow,

A bird, etc.

EVERYTHING is alive in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, unlike the mundane dead material creation.

This means EVERYTHING, from the shoes on your feet, to the clothes you wear, are all individual "shape-shifting" jiva-souls who have manifested as that form because they have chosen to play that particular role in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to please Krsna.

This is called a "passive" relationship with Krsna.

And many jiva-souls voluntarily choose to have that passive (inert, inactive or idle) relationship with Krsna.

This means they do not react visibly to something that might be expected of them, like outwardly manifesting emotions or feelings.

Like a blade of grass, or a tree is only seen moving in the wind and outwardly showing no affection or passion.

Even though "inwardly," the jiva-soul, as that blade of grass or tree, is ecstatically blissfully fully aware of Krsna’s personal presence.

And Krsna is fully aware of those jiva-souls who have voluntarily chosen to appear as a blade of grass, a tree, a flag pole, a bench etc.

Many jiva-souls have chosen to be "passive" living objects in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana that does not involve visible reactions, or active participation.

This is playing a passive or seemingly inactive role in Krsna's (God's) Kingdom.

However, one should NOT confuse a "passive relationships" in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, with the impersonal mundane inactive position in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The fact is, Krsna's abode is full of diversity where the jiva-souls can voluntarily express themselves in various kinds of pure loving exchanges in their service to Krsna.

From active service of being a Cow herd boy or gopi, to an inactive service like being a flag on top of a flag pole or a street sign. 

Such "personal" relationships with Krsna or Visnu are NOT "impersonal" but are almost inconceivable to the neophyte immature devotees.

These relationships with Krsna are also based on reciprocation and loving exchanges too, even if the jiva-souls manifest themselves as a cloud in the sky, a bench for Krsna to sit on, or a plate for Krsna to eat off.

Just like we enjoy relationships with our families and society, so does Krsna enjoy associating with His family and friends.

However, all of His relationships are eternal in Goloka-Vrindavana, each jiva-soul ARE an eternal svarūpa spiritual form like Krsna's Bodily form in their full potential, completely free of material contamination.

However, in the spiritual world the jiva-souls can also voluntarily appear as any form they choose, the stage of bodily appearances is unlimited.

Each of Krsna’s devotees (jiva-souls or marginal living entities) interact with Him by their "free will" in one of five primary relationships as said above. 

All jiva-souls are EQUALLY intimate with Krsna because in the spiritual world, all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful, just like one may like a carnation flower while others like roses.

Although, advanced loving relationship with Krsna number from one to five.

These five are -

1 - Neutrality, 

2 - Servitude, 

3 - Friendship, 

4 - Parental affection, 

5 - And conjugal love. 

More intimate love of God reaches its summit in romantic exchanges with Krsna.

Each devotee eternally feels one of these main moods- 

Devotees in the mood of neutrality voluntarily choose to witness and support Krsna’s pastimes by their presence as plants, animals, streams, and so on, as well as normally inanimate objects like houses—all of which are fully conscious and alive in Goloka-Vrindavan.

Devotees in the service mood voluntarily choose to run errands for Krsna, pack His lunch, wash His clothes, and perform other acts of loving service for Him.

Devotees in the fraternal mood voluntarily choose to serve Krsna by being His friends. They are sometimes boastful, considering themselves equal to Krsna because they have no idea Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, nor do they care. 

In His company, they herd cows and enjoy games in the beautiful country setting.

Devotees who voluntarily choose to be in the parental mood, see themselves as Krsna’s provider and protector. Krsna behaves with them like a dependent child. His mother cuddles Him, carefully prepares His meals, and thinks only of His protection. His father sees that He has all the comforts of a normal home.

Devotees who voluntarily choose to be in the conjugal (of whom many are also Visnu-tattva and NOT just jiva-souls) position, or romantic mood, offer service as Krsna’s girlfriends, relating with Him in the intimacy of lover and beloved..^..







Sunday, January 29, 2023

Each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is an eternal PERSON who is their own spiritual bodily form, unique personality, having the free will to allow them to voluntarily serve Krsna in five different ways in unlimited, forever expanding pastimes.

This means each individual jiva-soul (marginal living entity) has their own unique eternal spiritual body, personality and free will, that allows them to voluntarily serve Krsna in 5 different ways in unlimited pastimes.

There are five relationships the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have with Krsna.

A devotee has a relationship with Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, in five different ways-

1. One may be a devotee in a passive state;

2. One may be a devotee in an active state;

3. One may be a devotee as a friend;

4. One may be a devotee as a parent;

5. One may be a devotee as a conjugal lover.

A "PASSIVE" relationship (number one in above list) with Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana is an almost inactive position the jiva-souls can voluntarily choose according to their "free will", such as -

A cloud in the sky,

The sky 

A blade of grass, 

A tree,

A rock or stone,

A fence,

A chair or bench,

A roadway, 

A chariot, 

A cow,

A bird etc

EVERYTHING is alive in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, unlike the mundane dead material creation.

This means EVERYTHING, from the shoes on your feet, to the clothes you wear, are all individual "shape-shifting" jiva-souls who have voluntarily manifested as that form because they have chosen to play that particular role in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to please Krsna.

This is called a "passive" relationship with Krsna.

And many jiva-souls voluntarily choose to have that passive (inert, inactive or idle) relationship with Krsna.

This means they do not react visibly to something that might be expected of them, like outwardly manifesting emotions or feelings.

Like a blade of grass, or a tree is only seen moving in the wind and outwardly showing no effection or passion.

Even though "inwardly," the jiva-soul, as that blade of grass or tree, is ecstatically blissfully fully aware of Krsna’s personal presence.

And Krsna is fully aware of those jiva-souls who have voluntarily chosen to appear as a blade of grass, a tree, a flag pole, a bench etc.

Many jiva-souls have chosen to be "passive" living objects in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana that does not involve visible reactions, or active participation.

This is playing a passive or seemingly inactive role in Krsna's (God's) Kingdom.

However, one should not confuse a "passive relationships" in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, with the impersonal mundane inactive position in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.

The fact is, Krsna's abode is full of diversity where the jiva-souls can voluntarily express themselves in a variety of ways in loving exchanges with Krsna.

From active service of being a Cow herd boy or gopi, to an inactive service like being a flag on top of a flag pole or a street sign. 

Such "personal" relationships with Krsna or Visnu are NOT "impersonal" but are almost inconceivable to the neophyte immature devotees.

These relationships with Krsna are also based on reciprocation and loving exchanges too, even if the jiva-souls manifest themselves as a cloud in the sky, a bench for Krsna to sit on, or a plate for Krsna to eat off.

Just like we enjoy relationships with our families and society, so does Krsna enjoy associating with His family and friends.

However, all of His relationships are eternal in Goloka-Vrindavana, where each individual jiva-soul "ARE" a eternal svarūpa spiritual form like Krsna's Bodily form in their full potential.

In Goloka-Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha planets, the jiva-souls are completely free of material contamination because maya and matter do not exist there.

In the spiritual world the jiva-souls can also voluntarily appear as any form they choose to be, the stage of bodily appearances is unlimited.

Each of Krsna’s marginal devotees (jiva-souls) interact with Him with their own personality  separate from Krsna's Personality, with their own "free will" in one of five primary relationships as said above. 

All jiva-souls are EQUALLY intimate with Krsna because in the spiritual world, all relationships with Krsna are equally blissful, just like one may like a carnation flower while others like roses.

Although, advanced loving relationship with Krsna number from one to five.

These five are -

1 - Neutrality, 

2 - Servitude, 

3 - Friendship, 

4 - Parental affection, 

5 - And conjugal love. 

More intimate love of God reaches its summit in romantic exchanges with Krsna.

Each devotee eternally feels one of these main moods- 

Devotees in the mood of neutrality voluntarily choose to witness and support Krsna’s pastimes by their presence as plants, animals, streams, and so on, as well as normally inanimate objects like houses—all of which are fully conscious and alive in Goloka-Vrindavan.

Devotees in the service mood voluntarily choose to run errands for Krsna, pack His lunch, wash His clothes, and perform other acts of loving service for Him.

Devotees in the fraternal mood voluntarily choose to serve Krsna by being His friends. They are sometimes boastful, considering themselves equal to Krsna because they have no idea Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, nor do they care. 

In His company, they herd cows and enjoy games in the beautiful country setting.

Devotees who voluntarily choose to be in the parental mood, see themselves as Krsna’s provider and protector. Krsna behaves with them like a dependent child. His mother cuddles Him, carefully prepares His meals, and thinks only of His protection. His father sees that He has all the comforts of a normal home.

Devotees who voluntarily choose to be in the conjugal (of whom many are also Visnu-tattva and NOT just jiva-souls) position, or romantic mood, offer service as Krsna’s girlfriends, relating with Him in the intimacy of lover and beloved.

It is important to understand, that the eternal spiritual form of the jiva-soul, is NOT a spark in Krsna's Bodily effulgence, it is an eternal bodily form-

sat, 

cit, 

ananda, 

vigraha.

These word's means- 

eternity, 

knowledge, 

bliss, 

form.

No jiva-souls have originated from anywhere because they have always existed and were never created, including- 

1 - The impersonal Brahmajyoti.

2 - The Body of Maha-Visnu.

3 - A dormant (inactive) region called tatastha-sakti.  

All the above are "conditioned states" outside of the spiritual world, where the jiva-souls fall down to. 

The jiva-souls are part and parcel of Krsna's eternal "marginal energy" however, the marginal energy or potency is NOT a place where the jiva-souls have originated from, it simply means the jiva-souls can be under the influence of the spiritual realm or under the influence of the material realm.  

There is no origin to Krsna's marginal energy (unlimited individual eternal jiva-souls), who have ALWAYS existed like Krsna has always existed. 

The marginal platform means the eternal jiva-souls belong to that category of marginal living entities (meaning they are influenced by either the spiritual energy, or material energy eternally), explained as follows by Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-souls are marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy. But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom." (Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "The "immediate" expansions of the Lord are called svāṁśa or "personal direct" expansions (known as Visnu-tattva, where the Lord Himself plays a different role in His own pastimes). The "separated" expansions of the Krsna are called vibhinnāṁśa (marginal living entities or jiva-souls endowed with independence and free will) like us." (BG 10.37, Purport)

Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are marginal energy (jiva-soul) Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are marginal energy (jiva-souls). Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)

Therefore, being "generated" from the marginal plane does NOT mean "originating" from the marginal plain because there is no origin of the jiva-souls, they are ETERNALLY part and parcel of the marginal plain that has always existed and has no origin.

The word "marginal" simply means the jiva-souls exist sometimes under the influence of the spiritual energy, or sometimes under the material energy.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals." (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for "infinity" which means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-

"For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain." (BG Ch 2 text 20 "correct" 1983 edition)

Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created. 

This is because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." (BG 2.12)

The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have always existed, both were never created.

Srila Prabhupada – "There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?" (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness." (Letter to Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)

Tatastha-sakti is also an already fallen conditional state, as Prabhupada explains, so there is no question of falling down from an already fallen state.

Srila Prabhupada - "So this material world is the taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics, and the spiritual world is the "personal" characteristics. So our effort is to get out of this taṭastha (conditioned) characteristics and to enter the permanent characteristics. That is called spiritual elevation." (Lecture on CC Madhya-lila 20.354-358 — New York, Dec 28, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because the individual soul is apt to fall down sometimes under the clutches of māyā, it is called taṭastha-śakti. Just like in the seaside the shore, the beach, sometimes you see it is covered by water and sometimes it is land; similarly, when we are covered by māyā, that is our jīva-bhūta stage, and when there is no more covering, that is brahma-bhūta stage. When we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, then we are brahma-bhūta (SB 4.30.20), and when we are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, we are materially conscious, that is māyā." (Lecture on BG 7.4-5 - Bombay, March 30, 1971)

Fall down means from a none fallen condition and that none fallen original position of the jiva-souls is Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, which are their perpetual homes.  

The "marginal living entities" are a collective of eternal individual jiva-souls who have no beginning, nor were they ever created.

Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "The human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul." (Melb, May 20, 1975)

Devotee – "Is the original body of the jiva-soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form, here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation, the human form is the full manifestation of the jiva-soul."

Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; then they become flower there, they lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna as a flower voluntarily, but he can change his form from flower to human body if one wants. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6.1.1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)

Fortunately, over 90% of jiva-souls choose to stay in the spiritual world's of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, even though they can choose to leave if they want. 

However, sadly, almost 10% do choose to leave and enter the material creation via the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

The jiva-souls have the free will to make their own choices which includes even rejecting Krsna. For free will to truly exist, this choice also must be an option.

In the spiritual worlds the jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna is always voluntary.

Their individual contributions are eternally expressed in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana in a "two-way" reciprocal exchange with Krsna and Visnu.

In the spiritual world, the jiva-souls are never forced to surrender to Krsna or do anything they choose not to do. 

For loving service and exchanges to truly exist, the individual jiva-souls must be able to act on their free will and make their own choices, decisions and offerings, even if it also means rejecting Krsna if they choose, otherwise there can be no question of voluntary loving exchanges.

Each jiva-soul must voluntarily express themselves as an independent individual to experience unique loving exchanges and personal service.

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

This quality of free will is part and parcel of the jiva-soul's marginal constitution that allows them to be an independent free thinking expansion of the Krsna. 

Therefore, being marginal (jiva-soul) also means having free will that is included when describing the qualities of the individual jiva-souls. 

As said above, Krsna allows this freedom the jiva-souls have because without free will, loving exchanges, personal offerings and a two-way reciprocal relationship could never exist.

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return to the material atmosphere. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Having free will is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is eternally part and parcel of their individual character and personality in the spiritual world.

This means the jiva-souls can choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they choose, at anytime, it is nonsense to claim the jiva-souls can never again fall down once in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana.

This is because free will always allows the jiva-souls to have a choice.

Therefore, without the ability to voluntarily choose, there is no question of experiencing loving exchanges.

So, the choice to even leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana is possible, because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship where one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk about Rene Descartes)

There is only one classification of jiva-souls, not two as some believe. 

Therefore, each individual jiva-soul has "two-sides" to their personality, they can either be "nitya-baddha" (eternally conditioned), or can be "nitya-siddha" (eternally liberated)

In this way, the jiva-souls can choose for themselves to be with Krsna, or reject Krsna.

The fact is, each jiva-soul, as part of their spiritual constitutional make-up, has free will eternally!

How can there be voluntary love with Krsna without free will?

Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence; that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Some "wrongly" claim there are two types of jiva-souls called "nitya-siddha" and "nitya-baddha," which is incorrect. 

This is their claim-

1 - The jiva-soul stays in the Vaikuṇṭha and Goloka Vṛndāvana as nitya-siddha (eternally liberated), and can never have a choice to go to the material creation. Therefore, the jiva-souls can never again fall down to the material world once in the spiritual world.

2 - The other is the jiva-soul being nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) in the material creation, or can also be dormant (inactive) in the impersonal Brahmajyoti. But can latter enter the spiritual worlds too for the first time, but once there, they claim, can never fall down. 

Such a division of the jiva-soul explained above is bogus nonsense.

There is only one category of jiva-soul who has two-sides to their individual personality, they can be nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) 

The jiva-soul's original position is nitya-siddha (eternally liberated)

So where is the jiva-soul's original position? Where are they all coming from?

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

As said above there is only one category of the jiva-souls th.at can be either nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned) or nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) 

Srila Prabhupada – "The answer to your question about the marginal energy is that the jiva-soul is always called the marginal energy whether he is in the spiritual world or in the material world." (Letter to Rayarama, Dec 2, 1968)

This point is emphasised here to make it clear only one kind of jiva-soul exists and due to having free will, can choose to be either nitya-siddha or nitya-baddha.

As said above, there is only one category of jiva-soul that can be either (by choice) nitya-siddha (eternally liberated) or nitya-baddha (eternally conditioned)

Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense everyone comes from Krsnaloka. When one forgets Krsna he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are two kinds of marginal living entities: nitya-siddha and nitya-baddha. The actual constitutional position of every marginal living entity is nitya-siddha." (C.C. lecture, July 13, 1976) 

Srila Prabhupada - "By following the rules and regulations and instructions of the spiritual master, he can become again nitya-siddha. So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha." (New York Lecture on CC, July 13, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So the Krsna consciousness movement is to make the nitya-baddhas AGAIN nitya-siddha, to bring them to their original position. It is a difficult task." (London lecture on BG, 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "There are three kinds of liberated persons. They are called 1) sadhan siddha, 2) kripa siddha, and 3) nitya siddha. When one is actually on the siddha platform there is no such distinction as to who is sadhan, kripa, or nitya siddha. When one is siddha, there is no distinction what is what. Just like when the river water glides down to the Atlantic Ocean nobody can distinguish which portion was the Hudson River or some other river." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)

Srila Prabhupada - "Nitya-baddhas are within this material world. Beginning from Brahma down to a small ant, insignificant ant, they are all nitya-baddha. Anyone who is in this material world they are nitya baddha." (Lecture on BG, 13-14, July 14, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "We cannot say therefore that we are not with Krsna. As soon as we try to become Lord, immediately Maya covers us. Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila or sport. But this covering of Maya may be of very, very, very, very long duration; therefore many creations are coming and going." (Letter to Madhudvisa Swami June 1972 Australia)

Srila Prabhupada – "Regarding your questions about how and from where did the conditioned souls fall, your first question if someone has a relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka (Goloka Vrindavana), does he ever fall down? 

The souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 4/25/1970)

Srila Prabhupada – "These spirit souls and all spirit souls are coming from Vaikuntha, but in these material worlds they are taking various grades of bodies according to their material activities. There is no new souls. New and old are due to this material body, but the soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth how there can be new soul." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 7/9/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your questions concerning the spirit souls falling into Maya’s influence, it is not that those who have developed a passive relationship with Krsna are more likely to fall into nescient activities. 

Usually anyone who has developed his relationship with Krsna does not fall down in any circumstance, but because the independence is always there, the soul may fall down from any position or any relationship by misusing his independence."(Letter to Jagadisa dasa 02/27/1970)

Srila Prabhupada - "But his relationship with Krsna is never lost, simply forgotten by the influence of maya social, it maybe regained or revived by the process of hearing the Holy Name of Krsna and then the devotee engages himself in the service of the Lord which is his original constitutional position. The relationship of the living entity with Krsna is eternal as both Krsna and the living entity are eternal; the process is one of revival only, nothing new." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa 02/27/1970)

Krsna (God) is more inclined to help those who first do everything they can to help themselves find a spiritual master to teach them spiritual life.

If one is honest with themselves, Krsna sends the Guru (spiritual teacher) who will guide them out of the material creation and return back home, back to Godhead to be with Krsna.

Only then will Krsna help you when He sees you are trying your very hardest to do everything you can to help yourself, only then will Krsna send you a spiritual teacher. 

Srila Prabhupada - "In all the śāstras [scriptures] the guru is described to be as good as God, but the guru never says, ‘I am God.’ The disciple’s duty is to offer respect to the guru just as he offers respect to God, but the guru never thinks, ‘My disciples are offering me the same respect they offer to God; therefore I have become God.’ As soon as he thinks like this, he becomes a dog." (From the Book, "Science of reealization")

Real loving exchanges are voluntary and reciprocal, it is never a one-way street where Krsna does everything for you.

Surrender to Krsna's pure devotees does not mean you lose your free will, independence and individuality to be qualified to enter the spiritual world, no, such bogus surrender is impersonalism.  

The marginal living entity (jiva-soul) has always had freedom (free will) therefore, there is no question of the marginal living entity ever not having free will because free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana is perpetually part and parcel of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) make up.

The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) originate from Goloka-Vrindavana and not the Impersonal Brahman as Prabhupada teaches.

Originally all jiva-souls are nitya-siddha because they all came from Goloka-Vrindavana, only when they enter the material creation and the impersonal brahman do they then become nitya-baddha.

Therefore nitya-siddha can become a nitya-baddhas and nitya-baddhas can AGAIN become nitya-siddha.

The following Conversation took place in Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974 between Srila Prabhupada and his disciples.

Devotee – "When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that "Don’t fall down."

Devotee – "Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving."

Srila Prabhupada – "Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is desire."

Devotee – "In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?"

Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, you forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, "My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there." But he insists, Oh, I must go. I must go." "All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?" Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that "I must go and enjoy independently," so God says, "All right, you can go." This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Question - Is there a place in the spiritual world from where we can never fall down from?"

Answer - No, it is not based on a place where you can never fall down from that keeps you in Vaikuntha, it does not work that way because of free will, which means there is always choice to leave Vaikuntha at any moment. 

If you were forced to stay there then how can there be love? The choice to leave or stay must always be with the jiva-souls too.

So many cannot understand what free will really means, they sentimentally claim "not even the leaves fall from Vaikuntha."

It is nonsense to claim the jiva-souls can ever again fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana because they each have their own free will and can make their own decisions no matter what Kṛṣṇa promises.

Remaining in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana eternally is based on what the jiva-soul's want to do as a unique individual, it is also their choice to say or go, not just Krsnas as explained above, otherwise there is no meaning to having free will.

If Krsna forced His will on the jiva-souls then He destroys their independence, free will and ability to voluntarily express themselves in their own unique way, allowing themselves to choose where they want to be even if returning to the material creation.

In other words, the jiva-souls also have a choice to become a servant of the Lord or can reject Him if they want, even in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, only sentimental fools polluted by impersonalism cannot understand this.

The jiva-souls never lose their unique ability of free will and independent self expression, where one is personally always aware they can choose how to selflessly serve Krsna in their own unique way as the loving servant of the servant of Krsna.

The fact that one does not again fall from Krsna's personal Kingdom is the jiva-soul's responsibility too and not just only Krsnas.

It is the jiva-soul's choice as well, it is their free will to choose and no one else can choose for them including Krsna.

However, 90% of all jiva-souls do not fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana because they choose not to, but even that can change because of free will.

That choice to stay in Vaikuntha or leave is always with the marginal living entities or jiva-souls.

The jiva-souls or marginal living entities have 78.125% of Krsna's quantities or 50 of Krsna's 64 attributes which puts them in the realm of having independence, identity, personality, individuality and the ability to choose. This means the jiva-souls have the ability to agree or not agree with Krsna. 

Their individuality allows the jiva-souls the right to choose Krsna or choose to be separate from Krsna, this is the meaning of free will.

Remember, Maya and the material energy do not exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, so Maya is unknown to the jiva-souls in the spiritual worlds.

However, free will and independence allows the jiva-souls to experience a unique sense of individuality with the ability to express oneself in their own way. 

All these qualities are the constitutional makeup of each jiva-soul in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana. 

And if all those abilities are taken away, then the jiva-souls lose the ability to give and accept love and become no better than dead stone.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. Do you want to be stone? Then, you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, almighty—therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence." (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)

No one forces the jiva-souls to stay in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, that choice 

For loving exchanges to truly exist with the jiva-soul, they must have the the right to express themselves and choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent.

Syamasundara - "But can we predict that the process (returning back home back to Godhead) will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners." 

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, otherwise there is no meaning of independence and free will. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Devotee  "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no question of permanent because he has got independence, he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back. but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)

The jiva-souls have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities [50 of His 64 attributes], they are minor expansions of Krsna endowed with individuality that allows them to experience an independent personal sense of self separate from Krsna. 

This allows the jiva-souls to make their own decisions and choices. Therefore, Krsna does not interfere with the jiva-soul's free will because it is part of the eternal constitution of all jiva-souls.

Krsna never at any point did not give freedom or free will to the marginal living entities (jiva-soul) because they have always had free will in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana without beginning or end. 

Free will allows the jiva-souls to experience individuality, loving reciprocation, independent service, and be responsible for their actions.

This however does not means all jiva-soul's are independent from Krsna's control of all things, that is not possible. 

At all time the jiva-souls are always dependent on Krsna or His expansions, even as independent individuals because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of all causes.

Therefore the jiva-souls always remain independent living entities, but always simultaneously depend on Krsna and His expansions in both the spiritual worlds and material worlds.

The jiva-souls are never fully independent because Krsna owns everything.

So even though the jiva-souls are an expansion of Krsna, the jiva-souls are not one with Krsna in personality. 

Both are independent with their own unique personality.

The individual jiva-souls are not one with Krsna but are independent thinking living entities with their own sense of self and personality that makes them one in purpose. 

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the manifestation of Radha and Krsna in one Body where both experience each other's love for each other. 

Infact, Krsna, Balarama, Radharani and Lord Caitanya are all the one personality, are all Visnu-tattvas originating from Krsna.

The claim that once reaching Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana the jiva-souls can never again fall down, is not exactly correct. 

To claim those who enter Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana will never again fall down to the material creation is only true for those who choose not to fall down.

In other words, if the jiva-soul wants to leave they certainly can. 

Going to the material worlds is ultimately the jiva-soul's choice and Krsna does not interfere, even though He has promised there is no return to the material creation once entering the spiritual atmosphere. 

This is simple because they can even reject Krsna's promise. 

The fact, there is return if the jiva-souls wants to return to the material creation Prabhupada tells us, it is their choice. 

Acyutananda – "But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, "Once coming there to the spiritual abodes, he never returns to the material world, he can return?"

Srila Prabhupada – "If he likes he can return."

Guru-kripa – "How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?"

Srila Prabhupada – "You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God, God has got full independence, but you have got little independence, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

So clearly those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha have not understood the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha of whom the jiva-souls are just one and Prabhupada's comments here.

As said above, only a very small minority of jiva-souls (less than 10%)  choose to leave but not in the category of Visnu-tattvas who can never fall down because they are Krsna Himself playing another role in His own pastimes.

Many have not understood there are many different categories of living entities in Vrindavana who never fall down, such as the many Visnu-tattva personalities.

And for over 90% of jiva-souls, they also never fall down because they choose not to fall down.

Devotee - "Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana), there’s no possibility of falling down again?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is possibility, but he does not come. Just like after putting your hand in the fire, you never put it in again if you are really intelligent. So those who are going back to Godhead, they become intelligent." (CC, Adi-lila 7.108-San Francisco, Feb 18, 1967)

Free will is eternal in the spiritual worlds and without having the choice to either forget or remember Krsna, then we would have no independent personality separate from Krsna's Personality and no ability to voluntarily offer love, we would be like dead stone. 

The eternal constitution and original position of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is fully explained by Krsna disguised as a brahmana as follows- 

The Brāhmaṇa said - "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can't you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (4th Canto Ch 28 text 53)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot become fall down, that is not independence. That is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. "Now you do whatever you like." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture on BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture on SB Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Their (impersonalist) philosophy is oneness. So how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture on SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974).

Srila Prabhupāda – "Unless there are "two-persons," where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (Aug 9, 1976, Tehran)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. Therefore love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only one, there MUST be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, so there must be lover, there must be beloved. We must understand that love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No, it is not good, that is NOT love, that is exploitation and forced obedience. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Srila Prabhupada quote 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)**^^