The jiva-souls ARE the marginal plane which means a collective of unlimited eternal jiva-souls who are beginningless and endless like Krsna.
This further also means the jiva-souls always have the free will to "voluntarily" interact with Kṛṣṇa with loving recieprocal exchanges in service, or can choose to ignore Kṛṣṇa if they want and live in the material world.
Those jiva-souls who choose to
remain in the spiritual world, have one of five primary relationships with
Krsna.
Being a "marginal"
living entity means the jiva-souls also have the free will to accept or reject Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "Regarding your question about our relationship with Srimati Radharani, She is the internal energy, we are marginal energy.
Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life.
Therefore, we are called marginal energy; we can be either this way or that way. But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial attempt." (Letter to Lilavati - Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
All marginal living entities
(jiva-souls) are equally intimate and uniquely exclusively personal with Krsna
(God) in His eyes within His Kingdom regardless of the pastime.
This is because in the spiritual
world ALL relationships with Krsna are "equally blissful to each
other", just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose
to like a rose flower.
Srila Prabhupada - “The jiva-soul's position in the
spiritual world is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they
become flower there. If I want that "As a flower I shall lie down at the
lotus feet of Krsna," he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change
his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no
restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as
cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as
mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a
fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, Australia May 20, 1975)
The individual jiva-souls are collectively known as
Krsna's “marginal energy.”
This marginal energy or potency is NOT some place in the Spiritual Sky where the jiva-souls have originated from,
no, the marginal potency or realm, who ARE the jiva-souls have no origin.
The individual jiva-souls are everywhere in both the spiritual and material worlds and always have existed in those places without having any origin.
The word "marginal"
simply means the jiva-souls are under the influence of either the spiritual energy, or
the material energy.
This means the jiva-souls are in-between the spiritual energy and the material energy. This is why they are called marginal.
So, clearly the marginal potency is
NOT a place where jiva-souls come from, as said above, the marginal potency ARE the individual
jiva-souls who where never created and have no origin, nor will they ever cease to be as Bhagavad Gita As It Is explains.
Many misunderstand these facts about what marginal really means.
There is no origin to Krsna's
marginal energy (an unlimited number of individual jiva-souls), who have
existed for as long as Krsna has existed which is eternity.
Therefore jiva-souls do NOT originate from the marginal plane.
The marginal platform means the
"jiva-souls" or spirit souls, who naturally belong as individuals in
the supreme spiritual energy (Goloka-Vrindavana) with Krsna, are called "marginal living
entities" because they can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual
energy, or material energy eternally, explained as follows by Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna’s
marginal energy. Marginal energy means the jiva-souls may be under the control
of the spiritual energy, or they may be under the control of material energy.
But when the jiva-souls are under the control of the material energy, that is
their precarious condition, struggle for existence. And when they are under
spiritual energy, that is their original position and life of freedom.” (Los
Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
Srila Prabhupada - "We (the jiva-souls) are
marginal energy (jiva-souls) Marginal means sometimes internal, sometimes
external. When we are under the internal energy, that is our normal life, and
when we are under the external energy, that is our abnormal life. Therefore, we
are called marginal energy (jiva-souls); we can be either this way or that way.
But being qualitatively one with the purusa, our tendency is to remain in the
internal energy. Being in the external energy is our artificial
attempt." (Letter to Lilavati, Allston, Mass 25 April, 1969)
Srila Prabhupada - "The material energy, called
as Maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we (the
jiva-souls) are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities
(jiva-souls) are described as superior energy than matter, when the superior
energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible
situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (jiva-souls) are in contact
with the spiritual potency, Hara, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the
living entity." (The Happening Album, New York City, Dec 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - "You are also energy; you are
marginal energy (jiva-soul). Marginal energy means you (the jiva-souls) may be
under the control of the spiritual energy or you may be under the control of
material energy—your marginal position. But when you are under the control of
the material energy, that is your precarious condition, struggle for existence.
And when you are under spiritual energy, that is your life of freedom." (Intro
BG As It Is, Los Angeles, Nov 23, 1968)
Being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some "so called place" in the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky, including tatastha-sakti, the impersonal Brahman or the Body of Maha-Visnu that foolish sangas and their nonsense guru's foolishly claim.
We are NOT suppose to be in this decaying material creation, trapped within a temporary material bodily vessel.
Or, after becoming frustrated with material existence, trying to escape the "active" material existence, by becoming "inactive" by attempting to extinguish one's existence by entering a dormant state in the impersonal Brahmajyoti.
Such a "dormant state" in the impersonal Brahmajyoti, even though lasts for a very, very, very long time, is also temporary.
It is said one's existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti lasts for many, many, many life times of Lord Brahma, which is 311 trillion and 400 billion human years long.
The fallen jiva-souls exist so long in the impersonal Brahmajyoti that many foolishly believe the impersonal Brahmajyoti is the jiva-soul's origin, which is nonsense.
Srila Prabhupada - "The next question, about the living entities falling down in this material world are NOT from the impersonal brahman.
We do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated. Existence in the impersonal Brahmajyoti is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness and a fallen condition therefore, those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition.
When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition and that non-fallen condition is Krsna cconsciousness. So long one can maintain pure Krsna consciousness he is NOT fallen down.
As soon as he becomes out of Krsna consciousness immediately he is fallen down. It does not matter where a living entity stays.
In the material world also there are different stages of living conditions, and to remain in the brahman effulgence is also another phase of that fallen condition.
Just like in the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that conditioned souls by their pious activities are elevated to the higher planetary system, but as soon as the stock of pious activities is finished he again comes down on the earthly planet.
Similarly, those who are elevated beyond the planetary system to the brahma effulgence, they are also prone to fall down as much as a living entity from the higher planetary system. As such those who are thinking that they are liberated by being situated in brahman effulgence are described in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as impurely intelligent.
In other words, they are actually not liberated, and because they are not actually liberated they again come down to the material world as much as a living entity elevated to the higher planetary system comes down to this earthly planet. So, we do not accept anyone elevated to the brahman effulgence as actually liberated." (Letter to Revatinandana dasa, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Being an "inactive" (dormant) so-called spiritual spark in the Brahmajyoti, is an already fallen unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential are a spiritual bodily PERSON fully active like Krsna in the spiritual world serving Him, which is the jiva-soul's natural eternal home.
Krsna's effulgence is known as the dormant (impersonal) Brahmajyoti made up of a collective of "inactive"(dormant) individual jiva-souls appearing there as spiritual sparks in their "fallen conditional state."
As said above, appearing in that "fallen condition" as a spiritual spark is the unnatural condition of the jiva-soul, who in their full potential IS a PERSON as a spiritual bodily form.
The full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls), is a "two-arm form" like Krsna's Body.
Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
As said above, the full potential and original feature of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is a two-arm, two leg spiritual bodily form like Krsna's Body, and do NOT originate from the impersonal Brahmajyoti as impersonalists foolishly believe.
Being a "marginal" living entity also includes having free will, that allows the jiva-souls to have the choice to be
influenced by the spiritual energy (the jiva-souls nature position and full
potential), or influenced by the material energy (unnatural conditioned
state).
As said above, the real meaning
of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by
either the spiritual energy, or the material energy based on their free will.
There is no origin to the
individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as
old as Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's
marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external
energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are
living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's
energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy
means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not
permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent,
and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text
20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, Australia April
23, 1976)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2
text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”
This means, just like Krsna, they
are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-
Bhagavad Gita - “For the soul there is neither birth nor
death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and
will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He
is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983
edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2
text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created.
This is because they have no
origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-
Bhagavad Gita - “Never was there a time when I did not
exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to
be.” (BG 2.12)
The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have
always existed.
Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and
old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never
dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to
Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)
Loving voluntary relationships
with Krsna one can choose number from one to five.
These five are-
1 - Neutrality,
2 - Servitude,
3 - Friendship,
4 - Parental affection,
5 - And conjugal love.
A devotee has a relationship
with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, in five
different ways-
1. One may be a devotee in a
passive (inactive) state;
2. One may be a devotee in an
active state;
3. One may be a devotee as a
friend;
4. One may be a devotee as a
parent;
5. One may be a devotee as a
conjugal lover.''
Srila Prabhupada explains
these 5 relationships in detail in the Book "Nectar of Devotion."
A "PASSIVE"
relationship (number one in above list) with Krsna in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, is an almost "inactive" position the jiva-souls can
CHOOSE according to their desires ("free will") such as-
A cloud in the sky,
The Sky
A blade of grass,
A tree,
A rock or stone,
A fence,
A chair or bench,
A flag pole and a flag
A roadway,
A Chariot, etc
The point is, EVERYTHING is
alive in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana, unlike the mundane dead material
creation.
This means EVERYTHING from the
shoes on your feet, to the clothes you wear, are all individual jiva-souls who
have shape shifted as that form because they have chosen to play that
particular role in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana. This is called a
"passive" relationship with Krsna.
Many jiva-souls choose to have
that passive (inert, inactive or idle) relationship with Krsna but it is NEVER
impersonal.
This means they do not react
visibly to something that might be expected of them, like outwardly manifesting
emotions or feelings.
Like a blade of grass or a tree
is only seen moving in the wind and outwardly showing no emotion or passion.
Even though "inwardly"
the jiva-soul, as that blade of grass or tree, is ecstatically blissfully
completely aware of Krsna’s personal presence, and Krsna is fully aware of
those personalities as the the blade of grass, or as a tree, there for Krsna's
pleasure.
Many jiva-souls are therefore
passive living beings in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana that do not being
involved in visible reactions or active participation.
They simply choose to exist for
the pleasure of Krsna.
Everything is alive as
individual personalities in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana however, many
jiva-souls are playing a passive inactive role in Krsna's Kingdom.
It is important NOT confuse a
"passive relationships" in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana with
impersonal mundane "inactive nonsense oneness" of the Mayavadis.
The fact is, Krsna's abode is
full of diversity where the jiva-souls can voluntarily express themselves in
unlimited ways, engaging in an endless variety of pure devotional service for
Krsna.
For example, from active service
of being a Cow herd boy or cow, to inactive service like being a flag on top of
a flag pole or being the flag pole.
1 - Devotees in the mood of "neutrality" choose
to witness and support Krsna’s pastimes by their presence as plants, animals,
streams, and so on, as well as normally inanimate objects like houses—all of
which are fully conscious and alive in Goloka Vrindavan.
2 - Devotees in the "service
mood" choose to run errands for Krsna, pack His lunch, wash His
clothes, and perform other acts of loving service for Him.
3 - Devotees in the "fraternal
mood" choose to serve Krsna by being His friends. They are
sometimes boastful, considering themselves equal to Krsna because they have no
idea Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, nor
do they care.
In Krsna's company the cow herd
boys and girls enjoy games in the beautiful country forest settings of Vṛndāvana.
4 - Devotees who choose to be in
the "parental mood", see themselves as Krsna’s provider
and protector. Krsna behaves with them like a dependent child. His mother
cuddles Him, carefully prepares His meals, and thinks only of His protection.
His father sees that He has all the comforts of a normal home.
5 - Devotees who choose to be in
the "conjugal" (of whom many are also Visnu-tattva
and NOT just jiva-souls) position, or romantic, mood offer service as Krsna’s
girlfriends, relating with Him in the intimacy of lover and beloved.
These relationships with Krsna
are also based on reciprocation and loving exchanges too, even if the jiva
souls manifest themselves as a cloud in the sky, a bench for Krsna to sit on,
or a plate for Krsna to eat off.
Just like we enjoy relationships
with our families and society, so does Krsna.
However, all of His relationships
are eternal in Goloka-Vrindavana with their "svarūpa spiritual form, and
completely free of material contamination.
Each of Krsna’s jiva-soul
devotees interacts with Him by their "free will" in one of the above
five primary relationships with Krsna but can also change their rasa if
they choose and be what ever they want to be serving Krsna.
All jiva-souls are equally
intimate with Krsna because in the spiritual world all relationships with Krsna
are equally blissful, just like one may like a carnation flower while others
like rose flower.
Only small minority of jiva-souls
are not granted their full potential of free will because they choose to leave
the spiritual worlds and enter the mundane restricted material creation.
In the material creation the
jīva-souls are conditioned by the kind of material bodily vessel they have
possessed.
There are 8 million 400 thousand
species of material life that the fallen jiva-souls can enter.
Free will therefore is restricted
to those jiva-souls who have chosen to enter the mundane material creation.
In the material creation all
species of life are forced to act under the modes of material nature which are
eating, sleeping, mating and defending.
Therefore, almost all jiva-souls
(except for a rare few in the human form) have no "free will" in the
bodily conditioned state. They only act under the instinct of eating,
sleeping, mating and defending.
As said above, even in the rare
human form of material life there is a very little free will.
The human form is also controlled
by the karmic reactions to one's pious and impious actions, therefore piety can
help one start their search for spiritual knowledge if they get a good birth,
but is not always the case.
Free will in its "full
potential" IS only experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana (The Kingdoms
of God) so that meaningful voluntary loving exchanges with Krsna always exists.
If the jiva-souls had no
"free will" in the spiritual world, then they are no better than dead
stone Prabhupada tells us.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no "free will",
then you are a stone. The stone has no "free will". You want to be
stone? Then you must have "free will!" But don't misuse your
"free will". But don't try to become stone either. That is not
life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada – “So everyone can know that
independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is
independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is
force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can
act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right,
there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one
sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that
means free will."
Hayagriva - "A man may know better but
still act wrongly."
Srila Prabhupada -"Yes, but that is "free
will". He misuses his. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it
is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness,
so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he
knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison—
everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless
there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Excerpt
from: Philosophy Discussions Srila Prabhupada about Rene Descartes)
Bali Mardana - "An example of free will is
someone can choose Kṛṣṇa or turn away? Is that an example of free will?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "Yes, because if you accept Kṛṣṇa,
then you must follow what Kṛṣṇa says. If you don't follow Kṛṣṇa, then what is
the use of talking of Kṛṣṇa? If he accepts Kṛṣṇa, he must abide by the
injunction of Kṛṣṇa."(Morning Walk, Jan 22, 1974, Hawaii)
Srila Prabhupada - "So, unless there is a
possibility of misusing our free will, there is no question of
freedom." (Dialectical Spiritualism, Critique of Descartes)
The individual jiva-souls are
independent "separate" independent living entities in the spiritual world from Krsna and His many Visnu-tattva direct full expansions.
Unlike the Visnu-tattva expansions, the jiva-souls have their own ability of self expression and unique personality independent and separate from Krsna's and Visnu's Personality.
However, still, the jiva-souls are also simultaneously dependent on Krsna, whether in the spiritual world, conditioned in the material world, or when dormant (inactive) in the impersonal brahmajyoti.
Krsna is ALWAYS the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes which means EVERYTHING belongs to Krsna.
The reason why Krsna gives the
jiva-souls their independence and self expression (free will) is so they can
voluntarily choose for themselves how to serve Him and contribute to the
relationship in their own unique personal way.
This means the jiva-souls can
always contribute their own unique offerings without any pressure or force from
Krsna.
Real love or service can only
exist when "free will" allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily
participate in loving devotional exchanges and contribute to the relationship
with Krsna and therefore expanding it.
Surrender to Krsna in the
spiritual world does not mean giving up your free will and allowing Krsna to
control your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts.
No, the jiva-souls in the
spiritual world are NOT programmed mindless drones who only obey and never
contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way by thinking
for themselves the different ways to serve Krsna.
Only by having free will can
genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will
the jiva-soul is no better than dead stone Prabhupada has warned us.
Krsna NEVER interferes with the
"free will" of the jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed
them to have their "freedom of expression" to make their own choices
in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges and voluntarily
participation and reciprocating with Krsna would never exist.
If the jiva-souls are forced
to worship Krsna or Visnu then that is NOT loving voluntary exchanges that
personalism is bases on, it is loveless cold impersonalism.
This "impersonal"
version of Krsna's abode in Goloka-Vrindavana or on the Vaikuntha planets
mentioned above, where the jiva-souls are forced to surrender (abandon) their
"free will" to Krsna, and then let Him take over their individual
existence by doing all their thinking for them, as many nonsense sangas
(religious cults) propagate, is dangerous IMPERSONALISM.
Having "free will" on
the other hand allows the jiva-souls to be the individual independent PERSON
they are eternally in God's perpetual Kingdom, where they always choose to
voluntarily contribute their own personal unique offerings to Krsna.
This is the real
Goloka-Vrindavana and Vaikuntha planets which is the permanent eternal home of
the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).
Srila Prabhupada - "So if by free will you
choose to surrender to Krsna then you’ll get your real free will, real freedom,
otherwise you are under the clutches of maya." (Morning Walk – 14
July 14, 1975, Philadelphia)
The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and
Goloka-Vrindavana are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their
unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional
offerings based on free will, it is NEVER a nonsense one-sided master/slave
mindless impersonal relationship with Krsna as Prabhupada explains.
Srila Prabhupada – "Love is reciprocal,
voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no,
Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I
shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Many, in fact most, do not understand what the spiritual world is and the points made here.
The "free will" to feel envy means you want to enjoy like Krsna and be in the centre instead of Krsna, such self centred desires immediately disqualifies you to remain in the spiritual world (Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana) and immediately you a transferred to the material creation managed by Maha-Visnu.
Your spiritual memories are in the spiritual world and you cannot take them with you to the material world because they are NOT material.
Once the jiva-souls enter the material world, their free will is almost non-existent, and instead are directed by the demands of the material senses - eating, sleeping, mating and defending, found controlling all species of material life.
Therefore, there is no choice in the spiritual world influenced by "matter" or "maya" because matter (maya) does NOT exist in the spiritual world.
Maya is NOT the cause of the jiva-souls fall down from the spiritual world to the material world, "free will" is the cause of fall down, and that means there is always a choice that some nonsense sangas and their gurus cannot understand.
The jiva-souls can only enter the material world in a material bodily vessel provided by Maha-Visnu, and NOT as their spiritual eternal bodily form.
All knowledge of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana is in the spiritual body, but now covered because one has entered the material world and is now covered by a temporary decaying material bodily vessel.
In the spiritual world, as their original spiritual bodily form, all jiva-souls are female in their intimate original relationship with Krsna.
Yes, we are all female.
Not to confused with mundane transgender in the material world because if one is given a material bodily vessel of either a male or female, then that life is who they are in that life. In their next life, one can be either male, female, dog, Cow, tree - all material life forms have a jiva-soul.
However, in the spiritual world, even though one is originally female, they can appear as male, a cow, a tree, a bird, a street sign, a blade of grass, anything they like to serve Krsna.
Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
Devotee – "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"
Srila Prabhupada – "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."
Hari-sauri – "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"
Srila Prabhupada – "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."
Hari-sauri - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotee wants to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there. If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4 - Melb, May 20, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "The spirit soul is NOT formless; it has got form, the spirit soul always has form and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. But with our material eyes at the present, our gross eyes, we cannot see these facts; therefore we foolishly believe the jiva-souls have no form." (Lecture on BG 2.14 - Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
Devotee - "What is the form of the spiritual body. If the spirit soul is non-material, what is the form?"
Srila Prabhupāda - "There is form, just like this material body is compared with the dress. Now, just like in your present material form you have got hand; therefore your coat has got hand. You have got legs; therefore your pant has got legs. Therefore it is to be assumed that the spirit soul always has got form, and is expressed as hands, legs, heads, everything. The spirit soul is not formless; it has got form. But with our material eyes at the present, gross eyes, we cannot find it; therefore we say and foolishly believe it has no form." (Lecture BG 2.14, Mexico, Feb 14, 1975)
Srila Prabhupada - "Your question about one's relationship with Lord Krsna on Krsnaloka, does he ever fall down? The jiva-souls are endowed with minute independence as part of their nature and this minute independence may be utilized rightly or wrongly at anytime, so there is always a chance of falling down by misuse of one’s independence." (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 4/25/1970)
Srila Prabhupada - "In the broader sense, everyone comes from Krsnaloka (Goloka-Vrindavana). When one forgets Krsna, he is conditioned (nitya-baddha), when one remembers Krsna he is liberated (nitya-siddha)." (Letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969).
Being “generated” from the marginal plane does NOT mean the jiva-souls “originated” from some "so called place" in the Brahmajyoti or Spiritual Sky, including tatastha-sakti that foolish sangas and their nonsense guru's foolishly claim.
The jiva-souls and Kṛṣṇa have ALWAYS existed, they were never created, there is no origin or beginning point to their existence because they have ALWAYS existed as Bhagavad Gita As It Is confirms!
Srila Prabhupada – “There are no new souls, new and old are due to this material body, but the jiva-soul is never born and never dies, so if there is no birth, how can there be new souls?” (Letter to Jagadisa dasa, 7/9/1970)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 explains the jiva-souls have existed for “infinity”
This means, just like Krsna, they are beginning less and endless, and were NEVER created-
Bhagavad Gita - “For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.” (BG, Ch 2 text 20 “corrected” 1983 edition)
Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 12 also confirms the jiva-souls were NEVER created because they have no origin and have existed for infinity like Krsna has, as Krsna explains-
Bhagavad Gita - “Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.” (BG 2.12)
First of all, being "marginal" means having the choice to be influenced by either the spiritual energy (the jiva-souls nature position and full potential in the spiritual world) or by the material energy (unnatural conditioned state)
As said above, the real meaning of "marginal" means the jiva-souls can choose to be influenced by either the spiritual energy, or the material energy based on their free will.
There is no origin to the individual jiva-souls, they are eternally parts and parcel of Krsna and just as old as Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada – “The jiva-souls are Krsna's marginal energy. Marginal energy means we can live either in this external energy or in the internal energy, in between. So at the present moment we are living in the external energy. But this external energy is also Kṛṣṇa's energies, God's energy. It is not different from Him. But the external energy means we are captivated by the external energy. But the external energy is not permanent. The internal energy is permanent. The spiritual world is permanent, and the jiva-souls are also permanent as Bhagavad Gita As It Is Chapter 2 text 20 (1983 edition) reveals.” (Lecture on BG 9.4 -Melb, Australia April 23, 1976)
