Wednesday, February 14, 2024

The correct understanding is, it is our personal desires to please and serve Krsna that keeps us in the spiritual world.

However, when those desires to please Krsna are directed to only please ourselves and not Kṛṣṇa (self centred desires), they then force us out of the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana because Krsna is no longer in the centre.

The jiva-souls are perpetually endowed with "free will" expressed fully in the spiritual world only. 

Being "marginal" means the jiva-souls always have free will in the spiritual world's of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka Vrindavana, also meaning they can leave anytime they like because of that free will.

So, if we came to this material world due to our choice to reject Krsna, that does NOT mean we are desireless while in the spiritual world. No, desires are always there but centred around Krsna in the spiritual world, and centred around ourselves in the material world.

The foolish choice to leave Krsna's association means one wants to explore their own options in the material world, and this also means they eventually do NOT want to be in the material world either and try to end it all by becoming inactive or dormant in the impersonal brahmajyoti.

So, how could one say the jiva-soul chose the material world, when the jiva-soul didn’t even know the material world exists?

No, it is not like that, the jiva-souls originally ALWAYS have desires to please Krsna but those same desires are now self centred gratification without Krsna.

The real meaning of all this is one's choices and desires ALWAYS exist, but by rejecting Krsna, those SAME choices and desires become "self centred" and no longer Krsna centred.

It is that "original choice of rejecting Krsna" that takes the jiva-soul out of the spiritual world and eventually places them in the material creation under the jurisdiction of Maha-Visnu without even knowing what the material world is.

All they know is their desires were no longer directed to please Krsna anymore.

The jiva-souls ALWAYS have their own individual desires and choices of what they want to do to please Krsna or Visnu in the spiritual world, but now those same desires are no longer Krsna centred, they are self centred. 

"Desire" is always there in both the spiritual world  and the material world. 

This is how the jiva-soul chooses to reject Krsna, their desires simply change from Krsna centred to self centred.

So now separated from Krsna, they simple put themselves in the center instead of Krsna.

"Desires" are always there.

All the desires the jiva-souls had previously was to serve Kṛṣṇa, where such desires are eternal, but now being independent from Krsna, those same desires are self serving.

This means Krsna is no longer in the centre and is ignored.

When the jīva-souls choose to reject Krsna in the spiritual planets, they then attempt to imitate Krsna, that is when they are instantaneous placed in the material creation under the jurisdiction of Maha-Visnu's dreams, where all "desires" are still real, but temperory.

Every desire that now does not include Krsna, is already in "blue-print" within the dreams of Maha-Visnu.

In order for the rebellious jiva-souls to make a choice, they ALREADY previously knew what their options were because they had those same desires for Krsna before they rejected Krsna and put themselves in the middle.

The only difference is Krsna is no longer the object of one's loving effection, the jiva-souls NEVER beome desireless. 

In the spiritual world you cannot compare the "desires, choices and fee will" of the individual jiva-souls to the mundane material creation because while still in the spiritual worlds, the jiva-souls have no information about the material creation.

The spiritual world is always in the "eternal presence" of Krsna and NEVER influenced by the material creations past, present and future, that only exists in the temporary decaying material creation.

By existing under the jurisdiction of Krsna's expansion Maha-Visnu in the material world, what ever the jiva-souls desire, they can still be fulfilled by Maha-Visnu.

This is achieved when the jiva-souls enter one of His dreams of the material creation that are simultaneously in sync with their own desires.

Only in the permanent spiritual world do the marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) fully express their full potential, and never in the temporary mundane material creation.

The individual jiva-souls are eternal PERSONS, AS an eternal spiritual bodily svarupa form, like Krsnas, and ALWAYS have individual desires (but suppressed temporarily if they foolishly enter the dormant (inactive) impersonal brahmajyoti after first falling to the material world)

However, sometimes, very rarely in the spiritual world, the jiva-soul's desires to reciprocate and please Krsna is replaced by self centred desires to now only please themselves. When this happens they can no longer stay in either the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka Vrindavana.

As said above, the jiva-souls can never become desireless, maybe for a short time by those impersonalists who enter the impersonal Brahmajyoti, but they will always fall down from there because the eternal nature of the individual jiva-souls are to be always active and ALWAYS have desires, but ultimately to please Krsna.

So, when some jiva-souls reject Krsna their desires to please Him remain, they are still there, but are now self centred.

The jiva-souls in their natural infinite position are never desireless, which is the goal of impersonalists who foolishly believe the jiva-souls originated from the impersonal inactive Brahmajyoti.

It is a nonsense philosophy to say that we didn’t come from Krsna's abode of Goloka Vrindavana, which is the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) REAL infinite eternal home. Krsna states twice in the Srimad Bhagavatam that we left Him.

Canto 4 Chapter 28 text 53 and text 55.

Krsna directly asks the jiva-soul,

"Do you remember Me!!" (How can you remember what you never knew?)

Krsna directly says 'hitvā māṁ,' you rejected me, He says this in Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 28 text 55, sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho, "You are the one who rejected Me, O friend!" [sa tvaṁ vihāya māṁ bandho], yes, we should now be determined to return back home back to Godhead, to again be with Krsna.” (SB, Canto 4 Ch 28 text 55)

Srila Prabhupāda explains here from the 4th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam that our original infinite home, from where we all have came to the temporary decaying material world from, is Goloka-Vrindavana or the Vaikuntha planets, the perpetual Kingdoms of God (Krsna).

Srimad Bhagavatam - "The brahmana continued, "My dear friend, even though you cannot immediately recognize Me, can’t you remember that in the past you had a very intimate friend? Unfortunately, you gave up My company and accepted a position as enjoyer of this material world." (SB, Canto 4 Ch 28 Text 53)






Tuesday, February 13, 2024

The Vedas say that global warming claimed by modern day scientists and Politicians is a silly hoax!! Sinful Godless activity is the cause of global disasters, famine and wars.

Srila Prabhupāda - "If during nighttime it rains and daytime there is sunshine, then the land becomes very fertile to produce. Yes, there is a common saying in Bengal, dine jal rātr e tā rā sei janme sukha dhā rā - If it rains heavily during daytime and at night you see the stars, then you should know there will be scarcity of rain. There will be scarcity of rain and scarcity of food grains. Best thing is at night there must be heavy rain, and daytime, there should be sunshine. Then the field will be very fertile.

Hari-śauri dasa - "Is the irregularity in the weather and...

Srila Prabhupāda - "That is due to sinful life."

Hari-śauri dasa - "So if we increase the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement..."

Srila Prabhupāda - "Then it will be regular. It is nature's punishment. You may not care what is sinful life, but that is recorded. That is foolishness. "I don't care for God, don't care for what is going to happen." That is foolishness. 

People, lower planetary system, they are like that. In this planet also. In Western countries there are many places. "Don't care for anything, what is sinful life, what is going to happen. Let us enjoy, that's all." This is their nonsense philosophy." (Morning Walk, May 20, 1975, Melb Australia) 

Srila Prabhupāda - "We will present our program at Bhaktivedanta Manor exactly in the line of Lord Caitanya, by kirtana, prasadam distribution and speaking from Bhagavad-gita. 

We cannot deviate even an inch in order to attract the followers of the ecology philosophy or any other materialistic, utopian movement. 

You say you know a number of influential leaders of this group, but what is the use of knowing them, since you yourself found them deficient and left them? 

Our ideal Vedic community will attract everyone on its own merit, and we shall be glad to welcome and accept everyone who comes without our compromising in order to attract them.” (Letter to: Mahadeva,  Mayapur 3 March, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "So the, in the present age of Kali, the government men will be dasyu (thieves). This is stated in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. Dasyu-dharmabhih. You can, we can see practically. You cannot keep your money. You earn with hard labor, but you cannot keep gold, you cannot keep jewelry, you cannot keep money. And… They will take it away by laws. 

So they make law that… Yudhisthira Maharaja was just quite opposite. He wanted to see that every citizen is so happy that they are not troubled even by excessive heat and excessive cold. Ati-vyadhi. They are not suffering from any disease, they are not suffering from excessive climatic influence, eating very nicely, and feeling security of person and property. That was Yudhisthira Maharaja. Not only Yudhisthira Maharaja. Almost all the kings, they were like that.” (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 8 text 18, Mayapur, Sep 28, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - 'So in the previous verse it has been described that nature was favorable. The river, the hills, the mountains, forests, vegetables, creepers, these are our natural surroundings. Animals… Everyone was complete. It is a cooperation. So many living entities, according to karma, we have got different bodies. 

Some has got the human form of body, some has got the body of an animal, some has got the body of a tree, creeper. Sometimes hills, mountains, also. Everyone. Their business is cooperation. We can study from our own body. 

There are different parts of the body, but it is a business of cooperation. Hand, legs, eyes, ears, nose, they are all cooperating for the upkeep of the body. 

Similarly, all living entities, may be in different types of bodies, they are meant for cooperating in the matter of serving the Supreme Lord, central point. 

So if the government or the chief of the executive power, the king, is just to the point, dharmena, as it was said, “Abiding by the religious principles, ruling over the country,” then everything, even natural elements, they become cooperative. 

They must become cooperative. What is nature? Nature is also another energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So the nature is also working under the direction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 

mayadhyaksena prakrtih/suyate sa-caracaram/hetunanena kaunteya/jagad viparivartate – Bhagavad-gita 9.10. 

So, Maharaja Yudhisthira’s time, the cooperation was so complete that everyone was free from anxiety, disease, calamities, natural disturbance." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 10 text 6, Mayapur, June 21, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Let everyone chant Hare Krsna home to home. Whatever they have got, all right. Just begin chanting. Just see what happens. We are trying to introduce this chanting. But the rascals will not take it. What can be done? 

There is no loss if they chant Hare Krsna worldwide. Where is the loss? But still, they will not. And everything can be had. Sarva-kama-dugha mahi. Mahi. Krsna, He is… The mother… Krsna, how He has arranged this mahi? Everything is coming. 

Actually you will find that the rose flower is coming, the mine is coming, the gold is coming, the coal is coming, the petrol is coming. Everything is there in the mahi. And who has arranged it? Just see. Sarva-kama-dugha mahi. And if there is regular waterfall, then you get everything supply. 

And by performing yajna, you get regular waterfall, rainfall. And in this age all other types of yajna is not possible. 

Kalau…harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam/kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha [Cc. Adi 17.21]

So, introduce this. What is their loss? If everyone, home to home or work to work, factory to factory… Let them." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 10 textr 3-4, Tehran, March 13, 1975)

On the whole Srila Prabhupada’s recommendation for the mass of humanity was “simple living and high thinking.” He recommended that the chanting of Hare Krsna be everywhere, even in factories, he was hardly a fan of industrialization. 

Srila Prabhupāda - "But here in this material world they are engaged in very, very hard work. They have invented so many factories, iron factories, melting the iron, these machinery, and it is called ugra karma, asuric karma. After all, you will eat some bread and some fruit or some flower. Why you have invented so big, big factories?  

That is avidya, nescience, avidya. Suppose hundred years ago there was no factory. So all the people of the world were starving? Eh? Nobody was starving. In, in, in our Vedic literature we don’t find any mention anywhere about the factory. No. There is no mention. And how opulent they were. Even in Vrndavana. 

In Vrndavana, as soon as Kamsa invited Nanda Maharaja, immediately they took wagons of milk preparation to distribute. And you will find in the literature they are all well dressed, well fed. They have got enough food, enough milk, enough cows. But they are village, village men. Vrndavana is a village. 

There is no scarcity. No moroseness, always jolly, dancing, chanting and eating. So we have created these problems. Simply you have created." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 8 text 35, Los Angeles, April 27, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda - "These modern day scientists and politicians, these rascals do not know what is the aim of life. They are captivated by the external energy of God. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanas te ‘pisa-tantryam uru-damni-baddhah. They are led by blind leaders. 

All these materialistic leaders, the politicians, the scientists, the philosophers, the technologists and so on, businessmen, so on, so on, and all these material, they are all blind and they are leading other blind. So what will be? The result will be catastrophe, because both of them are blind. 

If one man is with eyes, he can lead another thousands of men, blind men: ‘Please come. I shall help you crossing the road.’ But if the leader is also blind and the followers are blind, then what is the result? That is happening. 

They are thinking that ‘By bodily comfort, by sense gratification, we shall be happy.’ But that is not possible. We do not know. Actually we have no knowledge." Dehantaram-praptih." (Lecture Laguna Beach, Sept 30, 1972)

Disciple - "Srila Prabhupada, it’s amazing. People have become so shortsighted. For instance, they open a factory for some kind of economic development but they’re not thinking of the factory’s ill effects. Water pollution, air pollution, noise pollution, stress, broken families, delinquency, drugs, crime, so many things." 

Srila Prabhupada - "Therefore Krsna calls them duskrtinas (misdirected), and then He calls them mudhas, asses." (Conversation at New Vrindavan, June 26, 1976)

Srila Prabhupāda - "So many cars are being manufactured every year, and for that purpose so many roads have to be excavated, prepared, and… Problems after problems. Therefore it is maya-sukha. We are trying to be happy this way, manufacture some way, but it creates another problem. I am giving this particular example of motorcar because in your country you have got the greatest number of cars. But that does not solve the problem. 

You have manufactured cars. I have practical experience. When Dayananda wanted to take me to a doctor from Los Angeles, it is thirty miles off. Thirty miles off. So I had to take trouble to go thirty miles and come thirty miles before I could consult the doctor. You see? And if you have created cars, then you must have meet your friends and necessities thirty miles off, forty miles off. 

You can go from New York to Boston in one hour, but go to the airport you will take three hours. (laughter) Therefore it is called maya-sukhaya. (laughter) Maya means false, illusory. We are trying to create some very comfortable situation, but creating another uncomfortable situation. 

This is called maya-su… This is the way of… If you do not be satisfied by the natural comforts offered by God, or nature, if you want to create artificial comfort, then you have to create another discomfort for counteracting. They do not know that. They are thinking that ‘We are creating very comfortable situation.’ Fifty miles going to the office. For earning livelihood, fifty miles, from one place to another. I saw in Hawaii. 

When Gaurasundara was working to maintain our temple, he was working. Unfortunately, he had to go fifty miles off from the temple to work for it. So I was very sorry to see how this boy is going fifty miles. How Krsna will say? But Krsna has given us chance. Now they haven’t got to work. So Prahlada Maharaja says that ‘These vimudhan, these materialistic persons, these rascals…’ He has exactly used this word, vimudhan. Mudha I have already explained several times in connection with Bhagavad-gita. 

Mudha means rascals. And here Prahlada Maharaja uses another nice word with addition, “vi.” Vimudhan. Vi means visesa, “particularly.” The vimudhan… Maya-sukhaya bharam udvahatah: ‘They have created unnecessary burden on their shoulder simply for temporary happiness.’ Temporary happiness." (Lecture SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 6-8, New York City, July 21, 1971)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Now, you  have created so many horseless carriages, now the problem is where to get petrol. In your country it has become a problem. Brahmananda was speaking to me yesterday. There are so many problems. Simply unnecessarily we have created so many artificial wants. Kama-karmabhih. This is called kama. 

So everyone, because of that unlimited desire, one after another… This desire, when this desire fulfilled, another desire, another desire, another desire. In this way you are simply creating problems. And when the desires are not fulfilled, then we become frustrated, confused. The frustration is there." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 8 text 35,  Los Angeles, April 27, 1973)

Srila Prabhupāda - "What is this human civilization? Jumping like dog, in a motorcar, that’s all. This is not civilization. This is dog civilization, that’s all. And actually what benefit they have derived? They are not satisfied. One man has got this car, and next year another car, another car. And the car manufacturer also giving fashion. ‘This is 1974 edition, this is 1975 edition.’ And they are earning money with hard labor. ‘All right, get a motorcar.’ And again, next year change. What is this civilization? No satisfaction. They do not know where is the point of satisfaction. It is dog civilization." (Morning Walk, May 28, 1974, Rome)

Srila Prabhupāda - "As for land ownership, in the Vedic civilization the land was given to the people for cultivation not for ownership, and a tax was collected which was 25% of the person’s income. 

The land belonged to the state and the man would cultivate it and pay 25% to the state. If he has no income then he doesn’t have to pay. If he doesn’t pay tax he may be disowned of the land. 

One cannot get land from the government unless he agrees to produce something and if everyone produces food then there is no scarcity. At least he has his own food produced by himself. 

Now people are educated as sudras. They are going to work to produce what is not urgently needed by society." (Letter to Balavanta, Tirupati 28 April, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Actually nothing is private property. That is our philosophy. Isavasyam idam sarvam: ‘Everything belongs to God.’ That’s a fact. Under the influence of maya we are thinking that ‘This is my property.’ Just like suppose this cushion. Wherefrom the wood has come? Has anybody produced wood? 

Who has produced? It is God’s property. Rather, we have stolen God’s property and claiming, ‘My property.’ Then Australia. The Englishmen came here, but is that the property of the Englishmen? It was there. America, it was there. And when everything will be finished, it will be there. In the middle we come and claim, ‘It is my property,’ and fight." (Room Conversation with Two Lawyers and Guest, May 22, 1975, Melb. Australia)

Srila Prabhupada - "We actually see from modern history that monarchies have been abolished by various revolutions, but unfortunately the monarchies have been abolished to establish the supremacy of third-class and fourth-class men. 

Although monarchies overpowered by the modes of passion and ignorance have been abolished in the world, the inhabitants of the world are still unhappy, for although the qualities of the former monarchs were degraded by taints of ignorance, these monarchs have been replaced by men of the mercantile and worker classes whose qualities are even more degraded. 

When the government is actually guided by brahmanas, or God conscious men, then there can be real happiness for the people." (SB, Canto 9 Ch 15 text 15 Purport) 

Srila Prabhupada - “It is a false notion that you are independent. You are not independent. It is a false notion. Nobody is independent. 

We may be puffed up that ‘We belong to an independent nation. Now we have got…’ Just like Indian. We were under British rule. Now we have got independence. This is all false notion. What is that independence? The nature’s law is forcing starvation. What is this independence? They are now begging grains from other countries. 

In British time there was no begging at least. Now their independence means they are begging. So these are all false notions. Nobody is independent. He is dependent in some way or other under the laws of nature. 

The laws of nature at once can force the stringent laws, and he becomes subservient. So subservient, to become subservient, is your nature. You cannot alter it. 

The best thing is that instead of becoming subservient to this false, you should become subservient to the Absolute Truth. Satyam param dhimahi." (Lecture BG, Ch 10 text 4, New York City, Jan 3, 1967)

Srila Prabhupada - "The mass of people in general are tools in the hands of the modern politicians and leaders of the people." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 5 text 11 Purport)

Srila Prabhupada regularly commented on how unintelligent sense enjoying people will inevitably vote for leaders like themselves. This is a big reason why democracy has not provided any real solution to the world’s looming climate change crisis.

Srila Prabhupada - "Nowadays it is the days of vote. Any rascal, if he gets vote somehow or other, then he acquires the exalted post. That is also written in the Srimad Bhagavatam, that in the Kali-yuga there will be no consideration who is fit to occupy the exalted post of presidentship or royal throne. 

Simply somehow or other, by hook and crook, he’ll occupy the seat. Therefore people are suffering. It is not… Nowadays, in democratic days, the government by the people, government for the people. 

So if the government is by the people, yes, you select your representative. If you are a fool, then you will select another fool. So Bhagavata says, sva-vid-varaha ustra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh. 

Anyone who is not a devotee, Krsna conscious devotee of God, then he may be in a exalted post, but he is praised by some people who are exactly like sva. Sva means dog, and vid-varaha means pigs who eat stool. Sva-vid-varaha. Vid-varaha. And ustra, ustra means camel. And ustra-kharaih. Khara means ass. Sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih. 

If a person who is not a devotee, he is praised or he is exalted, then the praisers, the persons who is praising him, he must be among these animals: dog, camel, pig and ass. So the whole population is like that, like dog, like camel, like ass and like vid-varaha, pig, the stool-eater, the whole population, at the present moment. 

So he must elect another big animal who is also in this category. Because he has no knowledge. If you takes votes from the camels, to whom he will vote? Another big camel, that’s all. If you take votes from the dog, then whom he will elect? Another big dog. 

Therefore, anyone who is not a devotee of God, Krsna, he is either of these animals. And if he is praised, it is to be understood that he is being praised by the similar type of animals. So if we remain sva-vid-varahostra-khara, then we must elect another big sva-vid-varahostra-khara. 

So how there can be good situation of the state? It is not possible. Therefore the public must be educated so that they may not elect another big dog or big camel or big ass to the exalted post. It is the public’s fault. Nowadays it is democratic days. 

So why should you complain against such-and-such person or president? You have elected him, and now you find fault with him. So it was your fault that you selected such a rascal, sva-vid-varahostra. It is very right conclusion." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 15 text 37, Los Angeles, Dec 15, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - "Human civilizations should depend on the production of material nature without artificially attempting economic development to turn the world into a chaos of artificial greed and power only for the purpose of artificial luxuries and sense gratification. This is but the life of dogs and hogs." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 10 text 4)

Srila Prabhupada - "But instead of producing food grains, we are producing Goodyear tires. So how we can eat? Now when there is scarcity of foodstuff you cannot eat the Goodyear tires. But people’s attention has been diverted in the industrial activities. They are given allurement, ‘Come here. I shall give you twenty rupees per day. You give up your agricultural activities. You come in the factory. Produce tire tube, iron stool,’ and so on so on. So we are violating the orders of Krsna. 

Krsna says that produce food grain. But we are producing unnecessary things. And therefore you are suffering. Krsna is giving very good advice: annad bhavanti bhutani. You produce sufficient food grain, all over, not only here. Another anartha is this nationalism. Nationalism: ‘This is America,’ ‘This is India,’ ‘This is Africa,’ ‘This is Australia.’ Why? Isavasyam idam sarvam. Simple thing. Everything belongs to God. Isavasya. 

There will be no scarcity. I have studied very thoroughly that there are sufficient land still without any cultivation. In Africa I have seen sufficient land. But they are utilizing it for producing coffee and tea. No food grains. 

So these are the anarthas. Anartha. Unnecessary. People will not die without coffee and tea. But they have made the whole world self-dependent on coffee and tea, mercantile policy. There is anartha.” (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 7 text 6, Vrndavana, Sep 5, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Just like a child is seeking after some enjoyment, he’s breaking something, enjoyment. But he does not, that… He is breaking, but he’s simply enjoying that breaking. Similarly, we do not know what is enjoyment in this material concept of life. We are breaking and building. 

In your country I have seen in several places. Nice building is dismantled, and again, in that very place, another building is raised. You see? Breaking and building. Breaking and… ‘Oh, this building is old. Break it.’ The same childish play. You see? Simply wasting engagement, valuable time of this human form. Breaking and building, breaking and building. ‘This motorcar is useless. Another ’69 model.’ And thousands of people are engaged in that ’69 model. You see? What is that? 

In essence, the breaking and building, breaking and building. Just like the child. You see? So unless one has got better engagement, Krsna consciousness, surely they will be engaged in this breaking and building, breaking and building. Childish engagement." (Lecture BG, Ch 2 text 62-72, Los Angeles, Dec 19, 1968)

Srila Prabhupada - "Another point is that trees also should be given protection. During its lifetime, a tree should not be cut for industrial enterprises. In Kali-yuga, trees are indiscriminately and unnecessarily cut for industry, in particular for paper mills that manufacture a profuse quantity of paper for the publication of demoniac propaganda, nonsensical literature, huge quantities of newspapers and many other paper products. 

This is a sign of a demoniac civilization. The cutting of trees is prohibited unless necessary for the service of Lord Visnu. Yajnarthat karmano’nyatra loko’yam karma-bandhanah: [Bg. 3.9]) ‘work done as a sacrifice for Lord Visnu must be performed, otherwise work binds one to this material world.’ But if the paper mills stop producing paper, one may argue, how can our ISKCON literature be published? 

The answer is that the paper mills should manufacture paper only for the publication of ISKCON literature because ISKCON literature is published for the service of Lord Visnu. 

This literature clarifies our relationship with Lord Visnu, and therefore the publication of ISKCON literature is the performance of yajna. Yajnarthat karmano ‘nyatra loko ‘yam karma-bandhanah [Bg. 3.9]). Yajna must be performed, as indicated by the superior authorities. 

The cutting of trees simply to manufacture paper for the publication of unwanted literature is the greatest sinful act." (SB, Canto 7 Ch 2 text 1 Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Dishonest miscreants flourish because of cowardly and impotent executive heads of state. But when the executive heads are strong enough to curb all sorts of dishonest miscreants, in any part of the state, certainly they cannot flourish. When the miscreants are punished in an exemplary manner, automatically all good fortune follows." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 17 text 14 Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "But at times, due to the influence of the ignorance mode of material nature, the lowest of the material modes, kings and administrators come into power without knowledge and responsibility, and such foolish administrators live like animals for the sake of their own personal interest. 

The result is that the whole atmosphere becomes surcharged with anarchy and vicious elements. Nepotism, bribery, cheating, aggression and, therefore, famine, epidemic, war and similar other disturbing features become prominent in human society." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 10 text 25 Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "If a rascal is busy, that means he’s simply spoiling the energy. . . . So the busy fool is dangerous. There are four classes of men: lazy intelligent, busy intelligent, lazy fool and busy fool. (laughter) So first-class man is lazy intelligent. Just like you’ll see the high-court judges. They’re very lazy and most intelligent. That is first-class man. They are doing everything very soberly. And the next class: busy intelligent. Intelligence should be used very soberly. And the third class: lazy fool-lazy, at the same time, fool. And the fourth class: busy fool. Busy fool is very dangerous. 

So all these people, they’re busy. Even in this country, everywhere, all over the world, not this country or that country. They have discovered this horseless carriage — very busy. ‘Ons, ons,’ (imitates cars’ noise) this way this way, this way. But actually, they are not intelligent. Busy fool. Therefore they are creating problems after problems. That’s a fact. They are so busy, but because they are fools, therefore they are creating problems." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 16 text 23, Hawaii, Jan 19, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Too much of an external view of the world gives rise to an overly large-scale and difficult type of industry and trade, known as ugra-karma. The word ugra means ‘hard” or ‘difficult,’ and karma means ‘task.’ The development of hard and difficult industrial undertakings always hinders the progressive cultivation of the human spirit. 

Asuric leaders of society never retire from such lustful undertakings unless killed by the laws of nature. For them there is no question of retirement or of cultivating the human spirit. But men in the mode of goodness have an introspective mind, and after a regulative struggle for existence they retire at a ripe old age and engage their time in cultivating the human spirit." (Light of The Bhagavat, verse 37)

Srila Prabhupāda - "But these rascals, they are being put into severe penalties. Duhkhalayam asasvatam. More and mo… The more they are forgetting God, they are put in, they are put into more and more miserable condition. Practically we see, with the advancement Kali-yuga, people are forgetting his relationship with Krsna, and the price of commodity and the food grains, the price is increasing. They cannot eat sufficiently. So many people are dying of starvation. If they cannot eat, how they will live?

Therefore Krsna gives His instruction. He’s the supreme ruler. He gives this order: annad bhavanti bhutani: ‘You require food grains.’ This is practical. Who will disagree with Krsna, that ‘We don’t require food grains; we require bolts and nuts in the factory?’ Who will say? This is practical. So they do not… Just like we see here that, that they do not grow food grains. 

They are growing jute because they will get some money, more money. But the rascal does not know that ‘I will get more money, and it will be taken away next by the food grain seller.’ So similarly, we are interested in industry, in plan-making, this, that, so many things. 

But Krsna does not say that ‘You open slaughterhouse and industries and brothels and cinema.’ No. Krsna does not say. Krsna says, ‘Grow more food, rascal! You’ll eat and become strong.’ And nobody is obeying Krsna. Is it not? Practically try to understand Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavata. Not by sentiment. And preach this philosophy all over the world. 

What Krsna says, that is practical. Annad bhavanti bhutani parjanyad anna-sambhavah. ‘How we shall get anna? There is no rain.’ You see nowadays, there is no rain. Why? Because you are, we are all rascals. We do not know how to get rain. Krsna says, parjanyad anna-sambhavah: ‘There will be food grains when there is sufficient rain.” 

And how rain there will be? Yajnad bhavati parjanyah: [Bg. 3.14] ‘And if you perform yajna, then there will be sufficient rain.” So nowadays you, people may say, ‘How to perform yajna? It requires so much money, so much ghee, so much food grains to offer as oblations.’ But Krsna has made it very easy. Yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah. Yajnaih sankirtana-prayaih. 

I know, the sastras know that in the Kali-yuga it will be very difficult to perform the ritualistic yajna ceremony because people will be poor, poverty-stricken. Where they will get ghee, and where they will get grains? No. This is yajna: kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha. Harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. This is yajna." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 8 text 18, Mayapur, Sep 28, 1974)

Srila Prabhupāda - "So this point is that if the population of the world becomes sinful, demonic, then nature will not supply you sufficient food. She will diminish. We have got experience. In India we have seen, some years there is overproduction of mango. People… Very cheap. Everyone can purchase. And sometimes there is no supply, some year. Similarly, foodgrains also. 

Some year there is oversupply of foodgrain and sometimes there is scanty supply. Now, this supply of foodgrains, fruits, and everything, even milk… In our New Vrindaban, because the cows feel very safe, they give us sufficient milk. That is our experience. So you keep things in order according to the Vedic injunction, you get sufficient food. 

There is no question of scarcity. But if you become sinful, demons, then the nature’s food supply will be ultimately stopped. You can produce your food in the factory… You cannot do that. You can produce motorcars to consume all the petroleum within the earth, and then you become no petrol. 

Then throw all these motorcars. Unless you find out some other energy That you can do. You can make things topsy-turvied. But by your so-called scientific advancement, you cannot increase or, I mean to say, stop nonproduction. That you cannot. So there was such a time because Prthu Maharaja’s father was a demon. He stopped all religious activities. 

Therefore people became demonic, and there was restriction of food supply. Then Prthu Maharaja made arrangement, and there was sufficient foodstuff. Dugdhemam osadhir vipras tenayam sa usattamah. Since Prthu Maharaja arranged the whole society to be religious, to be God conscious, everything become beautiful. 

This can be done even now. If people become Krsna conscious, the whole world will become beautiful, Vaikuntha, without any anxiety. That is possible. Because that is nature’s law. Just like if you become criminal, the state police force will always harass you. You cannot get out of it. He’ll harass you. But that is expensive job for the government. 

Because it requires extra police, extra management, extra everything. But if the people become honest, God conscious, so many expenditure will be reduced. And money will be saved for spreading Krsna consciousness or for Krsna’s service. Then the whole world will become exactly as it was in the Prthu Maharaja’s day." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 3 text 14, Los Angeles, Sep 19, 1972)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Material advancement of civilization means advancement of the reactions of the threefold miseries due to celestial influence, earthly reactions and bodily or mental pains. By the celestial influence of the stars there are many calamities like excessive heat, cold, rains or no rains, and the aftereffects are famine, disease and epidemic. 

The aggregate result is agony of the body and the mind. Man-made material science cannot do anything to counteract these threefold miseries. They are all punishments from the superior energy of maya under the direction of the Supreme Lord. Therefore our constant touch with the Lord by devotional service can give us relief without our being disturbed in the discharge of our human duties." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 14 text 10 Purport)

Srila Prabhupāda - "So, atmanam sarvato rakset tato dharmam tato dhanam.(?) First of all you try to protect yourself, then take to real religion, natural function of the atma. Then try to… Because we are in this material condition, we require economic development also. So that is very easy also. Krsna has given you enough land — you just little work. The animals are there. The cows will give you milk. If you till a little land, you get some grains. That is sufficient. Economic development. 

You don’t require big factories, big workshop, and whole day and night with motorcar going this way and that way. No. There is no necessity for economic development. This is maya. Simply at the end he will eat some grains or some this or that, little. And by whole day… 

Therefore they are called mudha. According to Bhagavad-gita, they are rascals, mudha, ass. Just like ass, the beast of burden. He takes washerman’s load, three tons, four tons. Whole day working, but eating a morsel of grass, that’s all. He has no knowledge that “I take a morsel of grass only, I live. And why whole day I bear these so much tons of clothing of the washerman?” 

You have no experience of the ass, ass’s business. In India the washerman loads the ass three tons and he goes to the waterside and the washerman washes all these clothings in some bank of river or reservoir of water. Again evening, the ass brings back the clothing. 

So the karmis, they have been described in the Bhagavad-gita: mudha, ass, simply unnecessarily working day and night, whole day and night. You see. Without taking care of the atma, without taking care of the religion. Economic development. What is this nonsense? You are losing yourself." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 5 text 9-11, New Vrindaban, June 6, 1969)

Srila Prabhupāda - "So by Krsna’s grace if we actually become dharmic, follow Krsna, the milk supply will be so profuse that everyone, even the animals can take the butter and yogurt. That is wanted. That is civilization. Produce sufficient quantity of grains, let the milk, cows, supply sufficient quantity of milk. 

All economic question solved. There is no use of industry. No use of man’s going fifty miles to work. No, there is no need. Simply land and cows. Here is the statement. Kamam parjanyah, vavarsa parjanyah sarva-kama-dugha. Everything you’ll get from the land. Even luxury articles. What can be more luxurious article than the jewels? 

The jewels are also produced. The medicine is produced, the minerals are produced, gold is produced, diamond is produced from the earth. Sarva kama dugha. You get everything. Make your civilization very perfect, very luxurious simply by satisfying Krsna. This is Krsna consciousness movement." Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 10 text 4, Mayapur, June 19, 1973)

Mahamsa dasa - "And this is a very nice thing he said, Prabhupada. He said that “We want to improve things in the countryside to an extent that people from the cities start running to the villages." 

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, that I want. I… Everywhere I go and say, how these rascals…? So much land is lying, and these rascals are not developing. And they are making… What is that? Coal stone. Coal. They are interested with these bricks and stones, not green vegetables. Such a rascal government. Give them facility. We know how to do it. 

Annad bhavanti bhutani parjanyad anna-sambhavah, yajnad bhavati parjanyah [Bg. 3.14]. 

Let them engage in kirtana. There will be more water for gardening, and it will be moist, and then produce fodder for the animals and food for you. And animal gives you milk. That is Vrndavana life. And they are absorbed in this so-called opulence. 

Krsna has taken birth. They are bringing so many nice, pleasant foodstuff, very well-dressed and ornamented. These are description. In the morning we were reading. How they were happy, the inhabitants of Vrndavana with Krsna and living and cows. That I want to introduce. 

At any cost do it and… Don’t bother about big, big buildings. It is not required. Useless waste of time. Produce. Make the whole field green. See that. Then whole economic question solved. Then you eat sumptuous. Eat sumptuously. The animal is happy. 

The animal even does not give milk; let them eat and pass stool and urine. That is welcome. After all, eating, they will pass stool. So that is beneficial, not that simple milk is beneficial. Even the stool is beneficial. Therefore I am asking so much here and…, “Farm, farm, farm, farm…” 

That is not my program-Krsna’s program. Annad bhavanti bhutani [Bg. 3.14]. Produce greenness everywhere, everywhere. Vrndavana. It is not this motorcar civilization. If it has taken in his brain, then it is to be understood that he can do this plan. He’ll be able." (Conversation May 27, 1977, Vrndavana)

Srila Prabhupāda - "Locally you produce your own food. You get your own cloth. Have sufficient milk, vegetables. Then what you want more? And chant Hare Krsna. This is Vedic civilization: plain living, high thinking. And poor thinking, poor in thought, poor in behavior, and living with motorcar and this, that, nonsense. It is all nonsense civilization." (Room Conversation, Oct 5, 1975, Mauritius)*^*.



Monday, February 12, 2024

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes however, this must be properly understood because Krsna does NOT operate a totalitarian impersonal manipulative dictatorship.

By properly and intelligently understanding this, we will understand the following comments by Srila Prabhupāda when he says EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including the free will of the individual jiva-souls. 

Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus, he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together."

Syamasundara dasa - "How is each Krsna different then? How is it Krsna an individual in each of the atoms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a PERSON, the Supreme PERSON, and He can expand Himself innumerably."

Syamasundara dasa - "And is Paramatma a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, every expansion is a PERSON. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual PERSONS. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is the individual jiva-soul, also a PERSON?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, if he were not a PERSON, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different PERSONS. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual PERSON. Krsna is also an individual PERSON. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls PERSONS, but He is the supreme individual PERSON."

Syamasundara dasa - "So even within material atoms, there is a spiritual life, individual life spiritual force?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, force means spiritual force."

Syamasundara dasa - "But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition."

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual jiva-soul's force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms. The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Krsna is within every atom, and therefore Krsna wants whatever is to be. Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever. Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna."

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No (not without the sanction of Krsna first) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva-soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause of ALL causes."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence."

Srila Prabhupada - "We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions first, we cannot do anything, EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa, He is the cause of ALL causes, we must understand this." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna first, including "free will" because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna first.

However, Krsna will always sanction free will or the ability for the jiva-souls to choose for themselves because it allows voluntary contributions and self expression. Without these qualities there can NEVER be voluntary contributing loving exchanges with Krsna. 

In other words, if Krsna denied the jiva-souls their free will, then they would be no better than useless dead puppets manipulated by the hands of a puppet master.

So, if Krsna wants genuine productive loving exchanges to happen, then He MUST allow free will, independent thoughtful self expression and to be able to choose from an array of voluntary services.

In other words, the jiva-souls MUST be ALWAYS able to express their own individual character and personality separate from Krsna's absolute control, otherwise loving exchanges with Krsna can NEVER exist if Krsna is only surrounded by mindless drones and "yes" men or women who foolishly believe such an "impersonal relationship" with Krsna is the meaning of "surrender." 

Regardless of what Srila Prabhupada says above, without free will, the individual jiva-souls could NEVER voluntary contribute in their own individual unique way in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa. 

This is why real love can only exist in a healthy relationship when there is a "two-way" voluntary loving exchange going on with Krsna otherwise we are no better than dead stone or mindless puppets under the manipulative control of the puppeteer. 

If Krsna denies the jiva-souls their free will of having their own independent personality and identity separate from Krsna's Personality, then His Kingdom is loveless useless dictatorship and it's better NOT to exist at all! 

Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa is making the point that everything is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us-

"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord."

The individual jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it however, Krsna will ALWAYS allow free will for the purpose to allow individual voluntary diversity, so each individual jiva-soul can experience a contributing relationship with Krsna based on independent self expression that includes even rejecting Krsna if one chooses.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will, he cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on the philosophy of Rene Descartes)

The conclusion is Krsna will ALWAYS sanction "free will" because it allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily contribute, or choose for themselves in their own unique way, how to serve and please Krsna as a PERSON who individually contributes to the relationship in a way they choose. 

Without "free will," or freedom of self-expression, the individual jiva-souls could NEVER be able to participate in a "two-way" loving relationship with Krsna.

This means voluntary loving exchanges and the contribution of unique independent intelligent self expression that each PERSON (jiva-soul) is endorsed with, can NEVER exist unless there is "free will."×^×.



Sunday, February 4, 2024

"Free will" means the individual jiva-souls have the natural inherent quality of voluntary independent self expression.

Also, how do the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) fall from the spiritual world (the Vaikuntha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana) to the material world?

The individual jiva-souĺs (marginal living entities) are endowed with free will, which means they can even reject Krsna if they choose, otherwise free will has no meaning.

Free will only has meaning when the jiva-souls can express themselves in a "two-way" relationship that allows independent self expression. 

In other words, loving reciprocation is ONLY possible on a "two-way" street between two, with each contributing to the relationship's expansion of nectarine mellows.

As said above, this means the individual jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they choose, which only proves that "free will" does truly exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will, unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison, everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will." (Talk on Rene Descartes philosophy with Hayagriva dasa 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you can never fall down, that is not independence, that is force.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Having "free will" is the eternal constitutional make up of every "marginal living entity," (jiva-soul) and is the foundation for all jiva-soul's relationship with Krsna.

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and on Goloka Vrindavana, eternally have their individual independence which means always  being able to express their "free will" in the spiritual world that is part and parcel of their unique individual marginal identity as a voluntary contributing jiva-soul.

This "freedom" of self expression or fee will, allows the jiva-souls to make their own unique personal offerings with voluntary contributions to their loving relationship and service to Lord Visnu or Sri Krsna, where each individual jiva-soul can offer or serve the Lord in their own unique personal way. This is real freedom.

In this way, each individual jiva-soul has their own special (personal) association and relationship with Krsna or Visnu that is unique to them, that no other jiva-soul has.

Loving exchanges are based on a "two-way" relationship between Krsna and the individual jiva-souls however, in the temporary material creation, it is different because those who have chosen to enter the material creation as an independent, previously choose to leave a Vaikuntha planet or Goloka-Vrindavan by rejecting Visnu or Krsna.

So, why does Krsna allow the jiva-souls to have their independent freedom and even choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan?

Disciple  - "In the Srimad Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come here, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”

Srila Prabhupada - "That means you lose your independence, that is force, in Bengali it is said, "If you catch one girl or boy and demand you love me, you love me, you love me. is it love? You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love? So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver, you love me, otherwise I shall kill you! That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C)

Having "free will" gives the individual jiva-souls the freedom to express themselves as independent person. This also means the jiva-souls take fully responsible for all their choices, actions and deeds.

Rejecting the Vaikuntha planets and Krsna's central planet of Goloka Vrindavana and enter the material creation, was a mistake by those jiva-souls because the material creation is not the real home of the individual jiva-souls.

It is unnatural for the individual jiva-souls to be covered by a temporary material bodily vessel or container that is in a constant state of decomposition, is obtained from Maha-Visnu when the jiva-souls chose to enter leave the spiritual world and enter the temporary material world.

For loving service (voluntary selfless personal contributions) to truly exist, each jiva-soul must have the "freedom" (free will) to voluntarily make their own choices, even if that means leaving Krsna! 

Otherwise, there can be no question of of freedom (free will to voluntarily participate in loving exchanges or service of their choice.

This attribute of individual identity, independent personality and character, means the individual jiva-souls can always express themselves as an independent PERSON under the heading of free will. These attributes are part of the individual jiva-soul's marginal constitution, as separate expansions who are part and parcel of the Krsna.

Krsna allows this freedom that all jiva-souls have because without free will, loving exchanges and personal contributions can NEVER exist.

Srila Prabhupada - "You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We can misuse that." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

As said above, having "free will" is the constitutional make up of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) that is always  part and parcel of their eternal character and personality in the spiritual worlds. This means the jiva-souls can even choose to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana if they want.

Free will always allows this and if it didn't then there is no question of loving exchanges. 

This is why it is foolish that big, big sannyasis and gurus claim once entering the spiritual world the jiva-souls can never leave or fall down again to the material world which is a nonsense comment.

To stay in the spiritual world, or enter the material world are both voluntary, this means it is up to the individual jiva-souls to choose where they live, the spiritual world or the material world. 

Although, the "original infinite home" of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) is the spiritual world's of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana.  

The choice to stay or remain in the spiritual world is also up to each individual jiva-soul therefore voluntary, and is NOT just the decision of just Krsna or His pure devotees because love is a two-way reciprocation.

As already explained, real love or service is a "two-way street" and NOT a one-sided dictatorship. 

This is why all those who claim the jiva-souls will never again fall down from the spiritual world once there, are sentimental fools.

No, they CAN fall down again and again and again if they choose to do so, regardless of Krsna promise they will never again fall down. This is because it is also their choice to accept or reject Krsna's promise too.

In other words if the jiva-soul rejects Krsna then they will certainly reject His promises too, but sentimental fools do not undertand this.

And as said above, such choices or fall downs have nothing to do with Maya (material energy) because Maya does not exist on the Vaikuntha planets or on Goloka Vrindavana. It is simply the misuse of free will that is the cause of fall down.

The choice to leave the Vaikuntha planets or Goloka-Vrindavana is possible because Krsna allows a "two-way" relationship, this means one can accept or reject Krsna if they choose to do so.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Disciple - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is also the possibility to misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Discussions with Srila Prabhupada on Rene Descartes philosophy)

Syamasundara dasa - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time."

Syamasundara dasa - "And some come back?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, therwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."

Syamasundara dasa - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?" (Discussions with Syamasundara on Henri Bergson philosophy)

All material bodies in the material creation are provided to the jiva-souls, who reject Krsna and Visnu, by Maha-Visnu. 

Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, Oh, this material world is very nice, Yes, Kṛṣṇa says, yes, you can go, otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will." (Morning Walk Cheviot Hills May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)

Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he can fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is not to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again." (Conversation, Mayapur, Feb 19, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love only exists when there is a relationship between "two persons," then there is exchange, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there." (quote 1966 - 1974, Vaniquotes)

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, NY City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be done or love cannot be executed only one, there must be another one, there must be two. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973).

The Sun-disc and the sun-rays can't  exist separately from each other, similarly Krsna cannot exist separately from His living entities (parts and parcels) and the living entities can't  exist without Krsna.

Each jiva-soul (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent individual PERSON, with their own unique personality and character different from other personalities including Kṛṣṇas.

No two individual jiva-souls are the same, and no jiva-souls can ever become God (Krsna or Visnu) or Siva (in a league of his own) but they can become a Lord Brahmā if they choose.

Loving contributing devotional service to Krsna is always based on a "two-way" voluntary exchange of personal feelings manifesting as loving acts of reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and His devotees, who voluntarily contribute their own unique expressions (offerings) of devotional service to Him as the real act of surrendering to Krsna's will that does not deny the "free will" of each jiva-soul.

On the other hand, actions expressed in a "one-way" domineering forceful mood from a "so called God" in His Kingdom that does not allow personal voluntary contributions from the individual jiva-souls in a "two-way" exchange of feelings, is dangerous impersonalism.

Personalism means a "two-way" relationship that includes voluntary loving exchange of feelings that expands, enriches and multiplies loving affection, sentiment and exchanges between the jiva-souls and Krsna.

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!"(Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France) 

Srila Prabhupada - "Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is not love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." 

Srila Prabhupada - "We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, personally. There must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." 

Srila Prabhupada - "The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3)

Disciple - "Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, human form, God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs."

Disciple - "How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "[describing material form first]: Yes, they are more covered, just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul."

Disciple - "They are covered in the spiritual world?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not in the spiritual world, there that is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower, I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4)














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"Free will" means the freedom of self expression - having the freedom of voluntary unique contributing self expression that only works in a "two-way" exchange of loving cooperation between the jiva-souls and Krsna, and NEVER in a "one-sided" cold dominating "only obey" impersonal dictatorship.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world to always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique special way, making them the contributing PERSON they are eternally.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) NEVER lose their "free will" in the Kingdom of God (on the Vaikuntha planets or on Krsna's central Abode of Goloka Vrindavana)

This further acknowledges that one's independent identity, personality and character, is eternally separate from Krsna's Personality. 

This further confirms all individual jīva-souls are unique independent PERSONS who eternally have free will. 

"Free will" means always having the freedom of voluntary unique self expression that only works in a "two-way" exchange of loving cooperation between the jiva-souls and Krsna and NEVER in a "one-sided" cold dominating impersonal dictatorship.

These qualities allow the individual jiva-souls to contribute in their own unique way separate from Krsna's all-pervasive control, based on their own "personal sense of self," contributing or serving Krsna in their own unique way that makes them the individual persons they are for infinity.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there, If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change his form in the spiritual world from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world ALL relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower, the blissful exchanges are equal.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go.” This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will, therefore  unless there can be the misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy )

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the spiritual worlds and have their own unique personality and sense of self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet are simultaneously dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason why Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and free will is so they can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna in their own unique personal way without His or anyone elses domination.

This means the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world always contribute in their own unique way, with offerings of THEIR choice without any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or voluntary service can ONLY exist when there is free will (self expression) that can only fully operate in a "two-sided" exchange of personal feelings, cooperation, equal respect, reciprocation that all leads to genuine loving exchanges.

This allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate as an independent PERSON in loving devotional exchanges and providing personal contributions to their relationship with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No, love means two! There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your "free will" and allowing Krsna to control your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts like a puppet master controls his puppets! Such nonsense forced manipulative control is impersonalism!

No, the jiva-souls in the spiritual world are NOT programmed "mindless" drones who only obey and never contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way by thinking for themselves.

The jiva-souls can NEVER lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, there, they ALWAYS have a choice, and that is also why it is nonsense to foolishly claim the jiva-souls can never fall down from the spiritual world.

The jiva-souls ALWAYS have the individual ability of independent self expression which allows them to make their own unique offering of personal contributions to Krsna unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the jiva-soul is no better than dead mindless stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, in the spiritual world Krsna NEVER interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have their free will or the "self expression" to make their own choices in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna would NEVER exist.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu or any name of God, then that is NOT love, it is tyranny, bullying and impersonalism.

The "impersonal" version of God's abode where individual jiva-souls are forced to surrender their "free will" and allow their bogus version of God to take over their individual existence, allowing Him to do all the thinking for them, as many nonsense religious cults propagate, is dangerous suicidal impersonalism.

Having genuine free will or self expression on the other hand, allows the jiva-souls to be themselves and present themselves as an independent PERSON, who voluntarily serves Krsna the way THEY choose to serve Him - that is what voluntary means.

Voluntary service to Krsna and His devotees is the bases of REAL surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha Planets which are the permanent eternal home and origin of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, as said above, it is NEVER a nonsense "one-sided master/slave" mindless relationship with Krsna.

As said above, Krsna does NOT control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by FORCE like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna DOES control His pure devotees with loving exchanges and reciprocation because the jiva-souls voluntarily co-operate and reciprocates with Krsna out of their unconditional love for Him.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

If the jiva-souls had no "free will" in the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, then they are no better than dead stone Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual jiva-souls we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (the jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The "Happening Record Album" recorded Dec 1966 in New York City, USA)

Always chant-

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.^**.