Monday, February 12, 2024

We must never forget that Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes however, this must be properly understood because Krsna does NOT operate a totalitarian impersonal manipulative dictatorship.

By properly and intelligently understanding this, we will understand the following comments by Srila Prabhupāda when he says EVERYTHING comes from Krsna including the free will of the individual jiva-souls. 

Swedish man - ''Is there free will?''

Srila Prabhupada - ''Yes, just like you are sitting here. If you don’t like, you can go away. That’s your free will. There is free will, we are part and parcel of God, therefore we have got minute quantity of freedom." (Temple lecture Stockholm Sweden 1974)

Srila Prabhupada - "Every individual jiva-soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus, he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is Krsna within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together."

Syamasundara dasa - "How is each Krsna different then? How is it Krsna an individual in each of the atoms?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a PERSON, the Supreme PERSON, and He can expand Himself innumerably."

Syamasundara dasa - "And is Paramatma a person?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, every expansion is a PERSON. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual PERSONS. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion."

Syamasundara dasa - "Is the individual jiva-soul, also a PERSON?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, if he were not a PERSON, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different PERSONS. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual PERSON. Krsna is also an individual PERSON. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls PERSONS, but He is the supreme individual PERSON."

Syamasundara dasa - "So even within material atoms, there is a spiritual life, individual life spiritual force?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, force means spiritual force."

Syamasundara dasa - "But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition."

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual jiva-soul's force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, Krsna's force is there because the body is a combination of atoms. The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Krsna is within every atom, and therefore Krsna wants whatever is to be. Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever. Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Krsna."

Syamasundara dasa - "Does the individual soul have a little independence to choose?"

Srila Prabhupada - "No (not without the sanction of Krsna first) Bhagavad-Gita states that when the individual jiva-soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes."

Syamasundara dasa - "So we have no free will?"

Srila Prabhupada - "Not without the sanction of Krsna first. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause of ALL causes."

Syamasundara dasa - "But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence."

Srila Prabhupada - "We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions first, we cannot do anything, EVERYTHING belongs to Kṛṣṇa, He is the cause of ALL causes, we must understand this." (Dialectical Spiritualism: A Vedic View of Western Philosophy)

Srila Prabhupada here is simply confirming everything comes from Krsna and must be sanctioned by Krsna first, including "free will" because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes. Nothing can happen without the sanction of Krsna first.

However, Krsna will always sanction free will or the ability for the jiva-souls to choose for themselves because it allows voluntary contributions and self expression. Without these qualities there can NEVER be voluntary contributing loving exchanges with Krsna. 

In other words, if Krsna denied the jiva-souls their free will, then they would be no better than useless dead puppets manipulated by the hands of a puppet master.

So, if Krsna wants genuine productive loving exchanges to happen, then He MUST allow free will, independent thoughtful self expression and to be able to choose from an array of voluntary services.

In other words, the jiva-souls MUST be ALWAYS able to express their own individual character and personality separate from Krsna's absolute control, otherwise loving exchanges with Krsna can NEVER exist if Krsna is only surrounded by mindless drones and "yes" men or women who foolishly believe such an "impersonal relationship" with Krsna is the meaning of "surrender." 

Regardless of what Srila Prabhupada says above, without free will, the individual jiva-souls could NEVER voluntary contribute in their own individual unique way in their relationship with Kṛṣṇa. 

This is why real love can only exist in a healthy relationship when there is a "two-way" voluntary loving exchange going on with Krsna otherwise we are no better than dead stone or mindless puppets under the manipulative control of the puppeteer. 

If Krsna denies the jiva-souls their free will of having their own independent personality and identity separate from Krsna's Personality, then His Kingdom is loveless useless dictatorship and it's better NOT to exist at all! 

Above Srila Prabhupada in his discussion with Syamasundara dasa is making the point that everything is under the control of Krsna as the Bhagavad-gita teaches us-

"Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord."

The individual jiva-souls only have free will because Krsna allows it however, Krsna will ALWAYS allow free will for the purpose to allow individual voluntary diversity, so each individual jiva-soul can experience a contributing relationship with Krsna based on independent self expression that includes even rejecting Krsna if one chooses.

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly. That is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will, just like a thief, he knows that his stealing is bad but still he does it. That is free will, he cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing, he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will. Unless there is misuse of free will, there is no question of free will." (Talk on the philosophy of Rene Descartes)

The conclusion is Krsna will ALWAYS sanction "free will" because it allows the individual jiva-souls to voluntarily contribute, or choose for themselves in their own unique way, how to serve and please Krsna as a PERSON who individually contributes to the relationship in a way they choose. 

Without "free will," or freedom of self-expression, the individual jiva-souls could NEVER be able to participate in a "two-way" loving relationship with Krsna.

This means voluntary loving exchanges and the contribution of unique independent intelligent self expression that each PERSON (jiva-soul) is endorsed with, can NEVER exist unless there is "free will."×^×.



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