Saturday, February 3, 2024

"Free will" means the freedom of self expression - having the freedom of voluntary unique contributing self expression that only works in a "two-way" exchange of loving cooperation between the jiva-souls and Krsna, and NEVER in a "one-sided" cold dominating "only obey" impersonal dictatorship.

Free will allows the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world to always voluntarily express themselves in their own unique special way, making them the contributing PERSON they are eternally.

The marginal living entities (individual jiva-souls) NEVER lose their "free will" in the Kingdom of God (on the Vaikuntha planets or on Krsna's central Abode of Goloka Vrindavana)

This further acknowledges that one's independent identity, personality and character, is eternally separate from Krsna's Personality. 

This further confirms all individual jīva-souls are unique independent PERSONS who eternally have free will. 

"Free will" means always having the freedom of voluntary unique self expression that only works in a "two-way" exchange of loving cooperation between the jiva-souls and Krsna and NEVER in a "one-sided" cold dominating impersonal dictatorship.

These qualities allow the individual jiva-souls to contribute in their own unique way separate from Krsna's all-pervasive control, based on their own "personal sense of self," contributing or serving Krsna in their own unique way that makes them the individual persons they are for infinity.

Srila Prabhupada - "The jiva-soul's position in the spiritual world is voluntary, some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; they become flower there, If I want to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna and become a flower, voluntarily, and one can change his form in the spiritual world from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact." (SB, Canto 6 Ch 1 text 1-4, Melb Australia May 20, 1975)

In the spiritual world ALL relationships with Krsna are equally blissful to each other, just like one may like a carnation flower while others may choose to like a rose flower, the blissful exchanges are equal.

Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are son of God you have independence, you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must enjoy independently," God says, "All right, you can go.” This is the position, if you persist, God sanctions. And you can come here and enjoy." (Melb, Australia June 25, 1974)

Srila Prabhupada – "So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly, or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that is not independence, that is force." (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)

Srila Prabhupada - "Free will means that you can act wrongly, that is free will. Unless there is chance of doing wrong or right, there is no question of free will. Where is free will then? If I act only one sided, that means I have no free will. Because we act sometimes wrongly, that means free will."

Hayagriva dasa - "A man may know better but still act wrongly."

Srila Prabhupada - "Yes, but that is free will, he misuses his free will. Just like a thief, he knows that his stealing, it is bad, but still he does it. That is free will. He cannot check his greediness, so in spite of his knowing that he is doing wrong thing—he will be punished, he knows; he has seen another thief, he was punished, he was put into prison— everything he knows, but still he steals. Why? Misuse of free will, therefore  unless there can be the misuse of free will, then there is no question of free will." (Excerpt from: Discussions on Rene Descartes philosophy )

The individual jiva-souls are independent living entities in the spiritual worlds and have their own unique personality and sense of self that is separate from Krsna's Personality, yet are simultaneously dependent on Krsna as His parts and parcels.

The reason why Krsna gives the jiva-souls their independence and free will is so they can choose for themselves how to voluntarily serve Krsna in their own unique personal way without His or anyone elses domination.

This means the individual jiva-souls in the spiritual world always contribute in their own unique way, with offerings of THEIR choice without any pressure or force from Krsna.

Real love or voluntary service can ONLY exist when there is free will (self expression) that can only fully operate in a "two-sided" exchange of personal feelings, cooperation, equal respect, reciprocation that all leads to genuine loving exchanges.

This allows the jiva-souls to voluntarily participate as an independent PERSON in loving devotional exchanges and providing personal contributions to their relationship with Krsna the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes.

Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation." (Lecture BG, Ch 9 text 2-5, New York City, Nov 23, 1966)

Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed only by one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love." (Lecture SB, Canto 1 Ch 2 text 6, Delhi, Nov 12, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness, so how can there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience? Love means one? No, love means two! There must be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He's so lover of you that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant." (Lecture SB, Canto 2 Ch 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)

Surrender to Krsna in the spiritual world does not mean giving up your "free will" and allowing Krsna to control your every actions, deeds, words and thoughts like a puppet master controls his puppets! Such nonsense forced manipulative control is impersonalism!

No, the jiva-souls in the spiritual world are NOT programmed "mindless" drones who only obey and never contribute to the relationship with Krsna in their own unique way by thinking for themselves.

The jiva-souls can NEVER lose their free will in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana, there, they ALWAYS have a choice, and that is also why it is nonsense to foolishly claim the jiva-souls can never fall down from the spiritual world.

The jiva-souls ALWAYS have the individual ability of independent self expression which allows them to make their own unique offering of personal contributions to Krsna unique to each individual jiva-soul.

Only by having free will can genuine loving exchanges and reciprocation take place, and without free will the jiva-soul is no better than dead mindless stone Prabhupada has warned us.

Furthermore, in the spiritual world Krsna NEVER interferes with the free will of the jiva-souls because if He did and never allowed them to have their free will or the "self expression" to make their own choices in the spiritual world, then that also would mean loving exchanges of voluntarily reciprocation with Krsna would NEVER exist.

If one is forced to worship Krsna or Visnu or any name of God, then that is NOT love, it is tyranny, bullying and impersonalism.

The "impersonal" version of God's abode where individual jiva-souls are forced to surrender their "free will" and allow their bogus version of God to take over their individual existence, allowing Him to do all the thinking for them, as many nonsense religious cults propagate, is dangerous suicidal impersonalism.

Having genuine free will or self expression on the other hand, allows the jiva-souls to be themselves and present themselves as an independent PERSON, who voluntarily serves Krsna the way THEY choose to serve Him - that is what voluntary means.

Voluntary service to Krsna and His devotees is the bases of REAL surrender in Goloka Vrindavana and the Vaikuntha Planets which are the permanent eternal home and origin of the marginal living entities (jiva-souls).

The jiva-souls on the Vaikuntha planets and in Goloka Vrindavana, are forever voluntarily expanding the expression of their unique individuality with an increasing variety of personal devotional offerings based on free will, as said above, it is NEVER a nonsense "one-sided master/slave" mindless relationship with Krsna.

As said above, Krsna does NOT control the "surrendered" jiva-souls by FORCE like a puppet master controls every movement of his puppets with the manipulations of strings, denying self expression, individual contributions and voluntary service.

However, Krsna DOES control His pure devotees with loving exchanges and reciprocation because the jiva-souls voluntarily co-operate and reciprocates with Krsna out of their unconditional love for Him.  

Srila Prabhupada - "Krsna does not want to become a lover by force, from the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening. Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; no, that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?" (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C.)

If the jiva-souls had no "free will" in the spiritual worlds of the Vaikuṇṭha planets and Goloka-Vrindavana, then they are no better than dead stone Prabhupada explains here-

Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will!" But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life." (Aug 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)

Srila Prabhupada - "As living spiritual jiva-souls we are all originally Kṛṣṇa conscious entities, but due to our association with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now polluted by material atmosphere. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency (the jiva-souls) are in contact with the spiritual potency, Harā, it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity." (The "Happening Record Album" recorded Dec 1966 in New York City, USA)

Always chant-

Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.^**.










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